/vr/ - Retro Games

Saturn controller is my favorite as well.

Well MY favorite is..

Okay yeah, it's a Saturn controller.

You said all time, not retro, so I'm going with the 360 controller. It has the best layout. My only problem with it is the d-pad isn't that great, but you don't use it that much so whatever.

>>989938
I don't know how you can justify calling it the best when you admit the d-pad is shit.

>>989943
It's not shit, but it could be better. Everything else about it is better than any other controller imo.

Also guilty of enjoying a Saturn controller the most. I just love the way the analog feels... seems to give me better precision or something. Definitely the "comfiest" while playing Sonic R. Pretty sure it's the first home console controller with gun-like triggers also?

>>989948
No it's definitely shit.

I like the way you think OP.

>>989938
360 controller is the best of all time, Gamecube is close 2nd.

The One controller looks amazing, even though the console itself isn't so great.

>>989957
Forgot relevant pic.

>>989970
damn I've never played on a Saturn but that looks comfy as fuck

>>989965
>Gamecube is close 2nd.
What's third? CDi?

>>989970
God damn that analog was so comfy. It's crazy that Sega did not adopt the same analog and pad for the Dreamcast controller.

>>989978
I like the way it feels in my hand, and the buttons are really satisfying to press. The stick is great aswell.

But that's just like, my opinion, man

No love for old faithful?

>>989998
It's okay but if you go from a Saturn controller to it you'll know what we're saying.

>>989965
>>989938
everywhere I look, shitty d-pads
do you even retro?

Super Nintendo controller all the way.

Fuck me that dog bone is the greatest feeling controller ever.

>>990005
hnnnghh..i'll never own a neo geo ;__;

>>990005
i said controller not hunk of sheetrock, what the fuck even is that brick

that aside it looks really nice but i can't imagine it being comfortable in the slightest bit

>>989939
like this is a useful beauty of a fight stick but wow

>>990021
your opinion is also wrong because a lot of controllers pull off the dogbone shape better (see: saturn)

if it was easier to connect to my pc for muh emuhlators it would be perfection.

>>990050
What are you having trouble with? I just plugged it into the mayflash adapter it worked fine.

>>990050

get the mayflash converter, I use this for all my emulators.

>>990050
IMO it's not very comfortable. My hands start to hurt after awhile of using it.

>>990047
>what the fuck even is that brick
>2013
>not knowing glorious neo geo controller

>>990061
>>990063
Holy shit I've been connecting it via wii remote and Glovepie...

>x360 or xbox S
>gc or wii classic controllers
Yes, they are comfy but
>cross buttons
Nononono, it just doesn't work with many of the old 2d games. I actually never enjoyed the cross button idea, but had to endure it.

>>990075
what's a cross button

>>990086
He is talking about the layout of the buttons I think.

>>990086
Like ABXY in the form of a cross?
--Y--
-X-B-
--A--
Instead of "lines" like MegaDrive, Snes, Saturns controllers with ABC+XYZ

This is my current favorite. The d-pad is excellent, and the whole controller is super comfy. Feels much better than the dualshock.

I use it for all my emulators. Also works on my PS3, so I use it for some games on that as well that would benefit from having a better d-pad.

Only thing I'm not crazy about are the square analog stick holes. But that's a pretty minor complaint.

>>990075
a wild double cross pattern appears

>>990075
>>990106
SNES had a cross design

>>990113
I actually have this gamepad and I fucking hate it

> shitty O-pad
> d-pad on top and not swapped with the left stick's current position
those are pretty huge, but on top of that it comes with bad software and isn't very durable

swapping between directinput and xinput is nice but let's be honest what even uses xinput anyway

captcha: actual manure

Fuck y'all, I like what I like.

>>990141
This thread is for best controllers not worst.

The ps one controller specifically

>>990149
Be afraid, be very afraid.

>>990141
what the fuck was nintendo thinking

>>989914
Op is cock sucker.

The saturn pad is SOOOO fucking over rated. The dpad is one of those shitty circular sega ones that throw in an up or down keypress when you go left and right because of the shit design, and those shitty ass buttons, don't get me started.

>>990165
They only wanted octopi to play the N64.
Also, pic is my favorite controller.

>>990149
The N64 controller isn't practical by any means, but it was comfortable for the most part.

Still, my vote goes out to >>990154 as far as /vr/ consoles are concerned.
My favorite of all time is the GameCube controller.

>>990113
I had one of these. really nice analog sticks, although they needed to be calibrated pretty often. Replaced it with a cheap substitute after a few years cause the buttons kept sticking but i want another one when I have the money.

>>990131

I think we're talking about different controllers.

The newer logitech game pad can switch between directinput and xinput. This one only has directinput.

This seriously has the best d-pad I've used in years. So much better than any first party controller. Last controller with a d-pad that I actually liked this much was the Saturn d-pad.

I much prefer the d-pad on top for older games. Much more comfortable that way.

This didn't come with any software. It was just a controller. And I've had this thing for 3 or so years, and haven't had any issues regarding durability.

>>990154
Absolutely this. I picked up two PSone pads (marked SCPH-110) NIB last week for $12 with the aim of using them for emulation after I find a good USB adapter. The face buttons are digital but the entire thing feels sturdier than the DualShock 2.

Gamecube was really awesome for fighting games. The layout was just awesome for getting to all the face buttons, but the triggers were shit for shooters and the nub C stick was worse (yet the nub was amazing in Smash Bros where you could flick it for fast attacks).

360 is pretty much perfect except the god fucking awful d-pad. I think the Xbox One might be way better in that aspect with its 4-way Dpad as opposed to the 360's pathetic 8-way pad that really wasn't 8-way because there's no fucking way you'll get the diagonal directions to work properly.

In terms of retro controllers, none really work that well for me. I have larger hands and the SNES is just too fucking small, as is the NES. The Dreamcast controller was pretty cool, but my big hands beg for it to be larger, and of course it also begged to have a second analog stick.

>>990113
It's exactly the same O-pad as mine, the F310.

>>990113
As someone who owns this and used it for a lot of years I have to say I'm really happy I started using the dualshock 3. That d-pad is okay, nothing really good, not horrendous either. The analogues are good but the square shaped sockets just kill it. Everything else is pretty good, and it's sturdy.
But bottom line, it's not a good controller, and I wouldn't recommend it.

Sleek. Stylish. Comfortable. Done.

>>990278

The dualshock 3 d-pad is straight dogshit then.

I don't use the analog sticks on that controller at all. I'd be perfectly happy if they weren't even there. Anything that requires analog sticks, I just use my dualshock 3.

But for platformers, shmups, any kind of 2D game really, I just can't use the dualshock or most any other controller. I hate mushy d-pads that barely move. Can't do shit with them.

Saturn D-Pad was really comfortable, accurate & had a nice dry rough texture.
I amazed how wrong companies have got the humble D-Pad since.

>>989914
hipster faggot, you weren't even alive when the Saturn came out

the controller isn't any better than the six button Genesis pad

>>990305
the genesis controller is a fuck of a lot less comfortable to hold from experience what with all the rings everywhere and whatnot

Definitely wins an award for "best improvement"

>>990326
lmao dude what how are you even supposed to use that d-pad
it'd be pretty cool if not for that

>>990332
Very few n64 games need the d-pad. If you need the d-pad switch to a standard n64 controller.

>>990318
pffft. Shit feels like a cloud.

>>990295
Welp, I love the DS3's D-pad. To me only the saturn rivals it.

>>990326

>D-pad in the fucking middle, a mile away from the handle.

How do people still not understand the design of the N64 controller?

The d-pad and analog stick were meant to be used separately.

2D game that used the d-pad? Put your left hand on the outer handle.

3D game that used the analog stick? Put your left hand on the inner handle. The Z button fucking replaces the L button.

Yeah, it was pretty fucking weird, but most developers understood this design and used it as such.

>>989970
If you never played Doom using this I feel bad for your existence.

>>990374
Yeah but the stick sucks. Hori fixes it.

>>990237
Yeah, the buttons aren't pressure sensitive, otherwise it would be perfect. Even the analog sticks feel better than the DS2's.

>>990326
>Not Mako pad

Also, I hate you faggots for inflating the price of the Hori pads.

>>990491
>talking about a retro game controller in a retro game controller is inflating the price

You sound like the faggot.

>>990286
Saturn has shoulders but otherwise, yes.

>>989962
I can 1cc Keio Flying Squadron on hard with the x360 pad. The dpad is definitely not shit, just not that good. However it is heaps better than, say, any Nintendo d-pad, or that shit cross on the playstation 1 pads.

>>990118
That pattern is not what he means. On a X360 or SNES pad you can relatively easily press A+Y or X+B. Also ABY or AXY or XAB or XYB, any of them with just one thumb.

Also you can do PPP or KKK moves in streetfighter without macroing them to the shoulder buttons.

Having 6 face buttons, despite being logical for a lot of titles, actually performs worse in every imaginable scenario. Even games specifically designed for them play at least as good on a 4 face + 2/4 shoulder button pad, like every Streetfighter, or even Radiant Silvergun.

And I say this even though I absolutely fucking love the Saturn pad.

>>990648
>Also you can do PPP or KKK moves in streetfighter without macroing them to the shoulder buttons.

Those games are meant to be played with an arcade stick, where you can easily do PPP/KKK, so I don't know if that's a good example when dealing with controllers.

I use this for fighting games and emulating shit, great controller and you should be able to find one really cheap
(get the xbox version, the ps3 version has some trouble with getting recognized by programs)

>>990706
forgot pic god damnit

>>990625
Now I don't like the Nintendo or Sony d-pads either but that is just out of line.

>>990706
>>990709
Can you get one that's just black or something?

>>990286
what no thats way to small its not even comfortable

>>990286
I really do wish they kept this the same size as a normal Genesis controller when they made it, though. Then it would easily be my number 1 favorite.

>>990648
If you're actually gripping the controller, Diamond button + shoulders layout works best. If you're using something like an arcade stick, 6 button layout works best.

>>989914
i just beat op

>>990374
The D-pad works relatively well on the Hori-pad. It's not as uncomfortable to use as you'd think, but you're still better off using a normal N64 controller.

>>990709

I use this for fightan.

The thumb stick is very similar to the Neo Geo CD controller, If you've ever used that. Basically a miniaturized arcade stick.

How is the d-pad on that?

>>990780
Yeah, well

this is my multi emulation controller. even n64.

>>990814
that literally looks like a kid's toy with chun li on it. round-ass imprecise-lookin dpad and the shoulder buttons are at a pants-on-head retarded angle. 4/10 would not buy.

How the fuck does anyone consider the 360 controller good? After an hour of holding that fucker my hands hurt like hell. The shoulder buttons are stiff, the dpad is in the wrong place (and is garbage overall)

>>990863
I don't know why they like it either. It's fucking terrible.

>>990869
I mean just the handle part is bulky and forces you to have your hands at an uncomfortable angle. I find the analogue sticks a little too stiff as well

>>990863

I like the position of the analog sticks. I find it more natural than the dualshock set up.

And they are probably the most comfortable controllers I've used. They fit my hands perfectly, and I can play for hours with one.

The d-pad and shoulder buttons are definitely garbage though.

>>990863
No kidding, I really don't get the love for it.
My experience with it has largely been "meh".
I think it would be comfortable to hold if only the battery bump in the back wasn't in the way. Triggers bottom out too easily and don't have a good analog feel to them. Analog sticks aren't bad, the asymmetrical placement comes down to opinion. D pad gets a lot of hate for good reason, but I think it's important to have at least one controller for modern games and a another for old games that need a good d pad. Everything else is totally mediocre.

Can't understand the praise it gets, it's second only to the Gamecube controller in terms of my confusion. GC controller is just an extremely comfortable yet piece of shit controller, yet everyone seems to love it.

Not the best for fightan games even though it's designed for them, but it works on a PC and serves my emulation needs well enough.

I also use a Classic Wii Controller

>>990887
I never understood how people say the analog sticks are better. If having the left stick moved up is more comfortable why not switch right stick with the A,B,X,Y buttons as well?
With retro games I can see keeping the right side layout, but then I would want a d pad as the main navigation method. But for a modern game like call of duty how is the left stick in a better more comfortable place, but the right stick has no problem being off to the side? Those are played with both thumbs on the sticks, the face buttons are almost never used.

>>990910
Wii U pro controller seems like the most sensible stick placement for a 360/PS3 style controller. Haven't actually used one, but it's just more logical.

>>990921
That placement at least makes some kind of sense. The main argument I hear for the 360 controller is just retarded. My post >>990910
reads bad IMO and the wording confuses me, and I wrote it. So pic related.

>>990050
Comfy as fuck to use man.

>>990921
>>990935
Madcatz makes a gamepad that allows you to switch them around. Expensive, though.

I use one of these

>>990946
It also comes with two different D-Pads.

>>990946
>MLG

Also Nyko is doing a similar thing with Wii U/Android controllers I believe

>>990956
Yeah the MLG shit is stupid. I like the idea behind the controller, though.

>>990047
The fuck is wrong with this guy?

I mean, do you even know anything about the Neo.geo?

Shit, man, so much underage.

>>990935
I agree, a lot of people have that argument for the asymmetrical sticks, and it just doesn't make any sense. They'll say "it's the natural resting position for your thumb", which is true for your left thumb, but what about the right? It's still in the Playstation stretched out position. That's why the Wii U controller makes sense, if you buy into the whole natural position thing.

>>990946
The face buttons are still not movable. Which goes back to the original argument. Also why let both analogue sticks go on one side?

I tend to avoid 3rd party controllers because they always have something wrong with them. They feel wrong in the hand, the sticks stuck, the dpad sucks, buttons stick. and in that case you are paying for the MLG logo.

>>990962
I find that natural resting position to be uncomfortable for analogue sticks. Something about how my thumbs are raised feels crampt and funny. I like the stretched out placement because my thumbs feel like they have a full range of motion available.

>>990960
More customization is always better, though the quality needs to be just as good as 1st-party ones because fuck the ones that fall apart within weeks

Correcting my post at >>990956, it was the EV Sparkle-made controllers that also do this

http://ev-sparkle.com/pro-controller-for-nintendo-wii-u.html

>>990935
It's like we are at a point where everything just had little changes that many complain about it but in reality it just doesn't matter because PS3 controller, xBox controller and Wii U pro controller are almost the same just with minor changes of ergonomics and just different placements of D-pads and Analog sticks.

Just get comfy for whatever you like to.

probably the snes

saturn controller is nice, too bad its part of a garbage console

>>990986
I completely agree. I just don't see the logic behind the opinion. To me its like someone saying they like caramel dipped onions better than caramel dipped apples. If that is what they like its what they like. But I for the life of me cant see an ounce of logic behind that person's thinking.

Personally I love the Playstation controller. From ps1 to ps3 it has had a great dpad (in relation to the other current competition), and a comfy layout. Good response and buttons were just the right size

I use a Saturn controller for pretty much every system unless it's one that used analog sticks.

>>990994
Yeah, i mean, preferences will be always first and everybody could go bananas just to tell you how awesome their choice is.
Nobody will really care and we still enjoy our own choice of playing games.

Now, maybe some companies go saying like "Playing with our controller it's not about that much of different, but it's an experience that our console offers to everyone who has it"
Kinda weird but i don't mind playing with different controller for each respective console.

For me it isn't that hard to get used to it, but i know, some people bitch about the most detailed-cherrypicking-tinyest little thing on just ONE game controller.

Damn man, this hobby it's all about complaints nowadays.

>>991008
That's because every little nit picky complaint is a reason they went 1 for 13 in Call of Duty. If they were using an xbox controller not a ps3 they would have gone 59 to 3 instead.

>>991008

This. I don't vehemently prefer one controller over the other.

And we're basically at a point now that none of the controllers are flat out bad. They all have their pros and cons, it's simply a matter of finding which one has the most pros that you care about.

You'll have a hard time finding a controller that's perfect for every single game ever made.

>>990318
I prefer this model, myself. Those buttons go down soooo deep. Just the button give alone makes me love it.

>>991018
Don't even get why so many god damn COD's man.

I remember some faggot was hoping that D-pad where erased from gaming for once and for all this new generation.
I don't get this, i mean, i always be an unbias guy when it comes to games, and these douche comes and says
-"You nintenyearolds never get how a good d-pad feels, glorious PS3 mustard race"
What? some guy just comes in here and starts to say how shitty nintendo d-pads are and praises the Playstation d-pad?

How the fuck cares about this, enjoy the fucking games Thanks that in /vr/ this word is complete safe to type without getting completely raped by replys

>>991032
The day d pads are removed from gaming is the day I stop playing new games. Even if games are not played with them anymore they are the only correct way to go through menus. They dont have the accuracy or range of an analogue stick but god damn if they are still needed and have a place. I actually do like the ps dpad more than Nintendo dpads. The Nintendo ones are better overall quality wise, but I always find them to be small. I like the size of ps pads. Its one of those nit picky loads of shit, but big pads just feel right

After the 4th COD was made I lost hope in the series. Every year its the same fucking game.

>>991027
Controllers.

I had to say that even if a controller is different, it still has same functionality no matter what generation we're in.

Quality can had some consecuences or fallacies.

The NES controller can be rectangular and had almost sharp edges (it was a complete bitch for some people just the rectangular shape alone), but, it has a tremendous quality dispite it's simplicity.
The buttons don't feel cheap and most importantly is that the membranes behind the button are fucking immortal, man.

I repair some controllers myself, even some consoles, especially portable, and i'm impressed some features that are from 30 years old, are still being used today and nobody bitches about it.

>>991045
Yeah, me too.
Even the most newer game needs these pieces, even if some people find them innecesary to any standard.
I just can play old games without a d-pad or 4-way/8-way joystick.

I will always prefer the Nintendo ones, but just the NES.SNES, N64 and Classic controller d-pads. which are the most bigger for the most part. I like them a lot.
The Playstation ones aren that bad, but for some weird reason i always end up with blisters and that's a fucking pain, man.

Never got interested in those COD games, besides, nowadays seems to be like more people play these for online, which is not how i roll.
The only FPS games i really enjoyed where the first medal of honor games, for PS1 and the classics like Doom, Wolfenstein 3D and System Shock.

>>991032
>Don't even get why so many god damn COD's man.

Short game with a focus on multiplayer, but with some kind of fuck up in the multiplayer, so they can make another soon for people to buy again.

>>991059
Again, this is something we always complaint, which is why sometimes i'm fucking tired of gaming and end up playing arcade games i really enjoy and not wasting a fuck ton of money just for a few hours of gameplay.

>>991060
ps pads never give me blisters but they do feel stiff. They dont take much to push down, so i just feel like I'm jamming my thumb into the plastic.

I would rather get 200+ hours out of an old rpg, and still have stuff to do in than pay $60 for the latest COD that I will play for one year then never touch again. The same goes for the madden, nba2k, fifa, etc series. I wish each year's new game was released as dlc not a whole new game.

i'd say the dual shock 2 is probably my favorite.
the official Guilty Gear X controller for PC is a close contender but not quite as good.

>>991045

Only idiots think that d-pads should be done away with.

Most everyone else knows they are still very much relevant, and very functional and versatile.

>>990106
>>990098
>>990086


"X"

Commonly called the "ex" button.

Jesus christ, get out of this thread uab&

No, little girls. This is best.

>>991069
I had a personal experience about this.

>Me and a good friend of mine
>We play old vidya on his computer
>Many arcade games on M.A.M.E, ahour 2001
>We play the fuck out of Marvel vs Capcom and Metal Slug.
>We play many years on his PC, even Diablo 2 and got a shit ton of emulators for genesis, N64 and such.
>Some years later
>We got some girlfriends, hes got married, and some other events happened that we only get seen every 1 or 2 months or so
>"Dude, why don't i bring up my Wii and we play some Metal slug X and shit"
>"Yeah, fine"
>I go to his house, and i noticed that he's playing COD: Black ops 2 and he told me that he had win a National tournament
We live in Chile, and his team win the national championship of that game and whatever, he got some headphones and some gold acounts for xbox live
>"Cool bro, let me hook up my Wii and we play some games"
>We play jus tabout 15 minutes of Metal slug X and he's starting to say:
>"Jeez man, why this is so repetitive, why i keep loosing, this is nothing like COD, bro"
>"What..? Dude, we had play this for AGES and you just told me this? What's wrong?
>"Meh, i'm bored, why not we play some Death matches on Black ops 2?"
>"... Okay, fine."

And then i go. Shit man, that was so sad for me.
I'd still play Neo Geo games and fucking enjoying it. So many things had changes and i feel like i was living all those years under a rock or something.

>>990993
>saturn controller is nice, too bad its part of a garbage console
gtfo

>>991089
Thats a sad story. I feel myself making that same jump though. I get bored with some retro games, and if I played the shit out them they feel predictable and old. I also get impatient and don't take the time needed to properly get through old games. I rush everything.

I would rather play as a human tank that can't die.

>>991095
I always play some old games on small dosis.

Right now i'm just playing RE Zero every 2 dais or so and playing Daily some Dragon Quest VI.
And if i got bored, then i play some Neo geo games.
Oh, yeah, and some DosBox games like Oregon trail.
Man, i feel so old just to type what happened and i'm just 21.

>>991103
right there with you. 20 years old here.
M friends always make fun of the fact that I still have an old pc used exclusively for dos games. and that I have a ps1, snes, and n64 that are still hooked up to an old crt tv.

eh, the saturn controller was better with the joystick/dpad combo.bcertian games just give you better control with it

>>991112
I feel your pain, man.
Even if i'm the only one who's still collectinog for old hardware, i don't care.
I'm happy with it and i like repairing old and new stuff.

>>989998
>old faithful
>pic of a DS2
>on /vr/
sage for not retro

>>990149
>>990165
It's comfy, you know. Its only compromise is that developers[/you] have to choose which of three ways to hold it.

It's the ideal way to play OOT and MM for me. I love the GCN controller, but its use of the C-stick instead of the C buttons is a compromise that I do not like.

What is with all the retards ITT who aren't able to do diagonals properly on proper Nintendo-style d-pads? Are you abnormal? Do you accept that your manual dexterity is inferior to all of us who grew up playing SF2 and shmups with it and had ZERO problems?

Full-sized Nintendo d-pads for life. Seriously. It's no wonder Sony jumped through hoops to copy it instead of go Sega's way, and now MS is attempting to emulate it with the ecks-bone.

>>990625
>However it is heaps better than, say, any Nintendo d-pad, or that shit cross on the playstation 1 pads.
Oh. News to me.

News to millions.

News to everybody.

>>990946

for that to work there would have to be a controller inside that each hub passed it's input through. Wouldn't that create some lag? I'm just asking because it if it's going to have an mlg logo on it the last thing it should suffer from is lag.

Joysticks aside, I go this baby for all my emulation needs.

>>990814
I own several variants of this myself. IMO it's not very good compared to any of the other 3-over-3 pads made for non-Sega systems.

>>990946
>>990950
Is thing at least sturdy in the least? I have owned controllers built on the exact same principle that were not sturdy at all.

>>991030
>Those buttons go down soooo deep.
From the description that sounds very comfy but not ideal for fast response or repeated presses.

>>991045
>They dont have the accuracy
Actually, they have absolute accuracy. Digital accuracy. On or off.

I know, you mean precision.

>>991190
>Is thing at least sturdy in the least? I have owned controllers built on the exact same principle that were not sturdy at all.

No idea. It's $100 so I would hope so.

>>991186
Is it worth the money? What do you think of it?

>>991186
oh baby

>>991186
whoa
WHOA
that's a cute controller you have there. got a link for it or something?

>>991332
Not him, but it's a Madcatz Retrocon for PS2.

>>990268
Okay tell me it was comfortable playing CVS2 on that hunk of shit.

>>991417
"That hunk of shit" referring to the Gamecube pad.

>>989914
Not really. It's good for six button fighting games, but for everything else a PlayStation controller was just as good.

Personally, I like the NES controller with power grips attached. It's very solid, and the buttons almost feel clicky.

>>990141
I don't know why anyone hates it, other than perhaps the joysticks wearing out. It worked well for all the great N64 games.

>it looks funky so it sucks

Use your brain pls

>>990952
those suck

>>991615
Ah, much love for the NES, but the original dpads are so small! I have big hands; an afternoon with one of those turns my thumb into mush.

No fuckin' way, man. Bat-top stick, proper American concave buttons, the Pelican Real Arcade stick is the shit. It was the best damn stick around until that MK9 stick came out for the 360. Plus, it was multi-system: NGC, PS1/2, original XBOX, and with an XBOX-to-USB adapter, PC too. I used that thing as my primary MAME stick for years. I've had to replace a few buttons over time, but with maintenance it'll work forever.

...

Now, let's see, as others have said, the pic I posted above was the MadCatz RetroCon for PS2 (it's backwards compatible with PS1). My thoughts on it? It's great if you have a large PS1 library, or lots of retro titles for your PS2 (things like Midway Arcade and Metal Slug library). Not a go-to controller for 3d gaming. I use it for emulators with a USB adapter. The d-pad is above average (still a tier below Nintendo), the tiny analog sticks are the shit, and it's glorious to have the four shoulder buttons all across the top in a single row. The back is rubber gripped and the edges are rounded, so even though it looks like a NES controller, it's way comfier.

But I still find myself using a Logitech Dual-Analog for a lot of PC gaming too (the real one, not the shitty Xinput version they came out with after everyone started fawning over the 360 controller).

>>990814
i had the ken model and the d-pad broke
fuck this controller

Bit of a bitch for Street Fighter

Ps vita, the d-pad is clicky an so are the buttons. [/spoiler] too bad it has no games

>>991615
Where can I find one of those?

>>992325
I tried to play street fighter with a guitar hero controller. I can only imagine how hard that would be with a wheel.

>>990374
I understand it perfectly, it's just not easy to use for a long period of time. It's fucking uncomfortable.

>>990318
No way. It's a lot more comfortable to hold, it form fits to your hand a lit easier. Plus, the D pad is far superior. The Saturn controller is also a fucking nightmare for 3D games, it's frustrating as shit. The genesis controller, plays all the games on the system with no problem.

>>990760
I'd be love to have one of these wireless six button controllers, even though I don't really need wireless. The size looks nicer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubgAKns75kc

>>990050
If you have a computer with Bluetooth, there are a variety of applications that allow you to connect a Wii Remote. I use Wiijoy on my Mac. Supports Wii Remote and all attachments - CC is comfy as FUGG.

For me... GC, Saturn, Genesis, PS1/2 and 360 (the controller is the only good thing about the 360, in fact).

I can't pick one for my life. I use mostly PS for my PC (they are cheap and easy to replace) and GC for the Wii.

Anyway, I never use wireless controllers (except for the wiimote), because I fucking hate batteries and avoid them as much as I possibly can.

>>992443
Maybe this thing works for the classic pro as well. I have one, but not a pro controller, so I can't test it.

>>990921
It's comfy to hold, but the thumb transition from the right stick down to the ABXY cross is slightly awkward for me. Same as the WiiU Game Pad

>>990842
>>991190
>>992252
never had a problem with it. works good. d-pad is pretty nice. only real problem i have with it is the shoulder buttons being too high

nothing of this beauty?

I've never had a more comfortable controller than it (3D Saturn Pad is a close second, but makes sense), and the VMU screen makes me downright giddy

the high pitched WHINE sound made due to dead VMU batteries is annoying though.

>>992342
ebay, forum BSTs

the same places you get everything else, damn

>>992009

The pelican sticks used bad knock off Super joysticks and too-stiff chinese switches. The buttons were also too springy and cheap feeling.

It's a poor imitation of a MAS stick.

>>990449
>Saturn doom
I bought it not knowing about the framerate.

Everyone here complaining about PS controllers having the analog sticks should just remember this photo from back in the day
Imagine if this was real...........

>>995920

>>989914
>>989928
Fun fact, for some reason, the Japanese controllers have shallower A B C buttons. I just got one in the mail, and was confused as to why the controller seemed to feel weird, for some reason they really made those buttons concave outside of Japan. I can post pics if you guys would like.

>>989998
While I really enjoy the DualShock, it really isn't comfortable to me. It's a neutral controller, not painful, but not comfortable either.

>>989965
I'm with you here. Gamecube is one of the most comfortable controllers with analogs. 360 is pretty good too, much better than the hard to press DS3 analogs.

>>995856
I don't like the d-pad, the bumps on the buttons, or the rear-facing cord (though I understand the reasoning for it).

>>995928
>ds3 triggers
>sony buttons

I threw up a little in my mouth

I had a Japanese Saturn controller OP, they're fucking overrated.

Pic related is the actual best controller

>Microswitches in all the buttons with the exception of start and select
>Neogeo style movement stick
>Works with 360 and PCs
>Cheap as fuck at pretty much any game store

>>995974
Those just look like they'd be uncomfortable. The ones with a handle on the left side and a shorter right side. Does it feel weird to use it?

>>996002
It feels fine. The only problem is the microswitches make a few things in Super Metroid harder to do, such as super quick wall jumping.

>>989998
The DualShock has been my favorite since it has existed. Its genius is its simplicity.

All I really care about in a controller layout is:
>at least 4 symmetrical face buttons
>4 shoulders
>cross/4-points D-pad; exposed disc is unacceptable
>2 sticks for 3D games

Things like stick symmetry and "ergonomic" shape are negligible to me. A 360 pad would be interchangeable with a DS3, in my eyes, if it had a similar D-pad. In think the 6-button Sega controllers would be great if they had a better D-pad, too.

The Gamecube controller pisses me off because the face buttons are wonky and asymmetrical. I tried to play Megaman X with one the other day, and without rearranging the controls in the emulator so that face button functions are on the shoulders it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to hold a charge while dash-jumping. The lack of a fourth shoulder button would make some games unplayable, too. (For example, Armored Core.)

A common complaint about the DS that I hear from Microsofties is that "It's too small; my thumbs meet in the center of the controller, and I can't reach the buttons on the edges." but you're not supposed to full-on palm the little guy; the handles should be resting in your fingers, and your palms shouldn't be touching anything.

I don't get all this hate towards the n64 controller. One of the few things nintendo almost got right for its 32x equivalent. 32x2 lulz

I just wonder why the memory card and rumble pack had to be inserted on it though. Bad decision. Analog stick do wear out but mine never did while I had it. Although there was a weird click sometimes. No biggie though

I still long for a USB n64 controller for my retro needs and believe it or not n64 games are not the shit I plan on playing with it. Too bad all I can find around my area are only chinese ps controller knock-offs. The original wasn't even that good although double shoulder buttons were a nice touch.

>>995950
>nice, smooth, analog feeling triggers with a bit of resistance to them
>short travel, easy to press, very digital feeling face buttons
naw son

>>996028
It gets hate because it's funky. It isn't all that bad, but it does have this feel to it like they weren't sure what the future had in store and just tried to make compromises on everything. I always loved the Z button on the back though.

>>995856
I like the Dreamcast controller even though it's weird as hell. I have big hands, so it's hard to hold it "correctly" and the d-pad kind of sucks, but honestly, I love the weird design of it. It has a nice design, the only thing I don't like is the short length of cord due to it coming out of the front. Playing games with this controller just feels neat and nostalgic for me, not entirely sure why.

>>996028
There may be a USB converter for the controller, but I haven't tried any myself. I previously saw a N64 USB controller on ebay/amazon (I forget) actually yesterday, and it kept the original design and gave it a black finish, but I cannot comment on its reliability.

>>996125
>There may be a USB converter for the controller

There are


http://www.amazon.com/May-Flash-Controller-Adapter-Nintendo-64/dp/B002B9FIUU/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1376617591&sr=1-2&keywords=n64+usb

http://www.amazon.com/Sega-Saturn-Controller-Adapter-Not-Specified/dp/B006ZBHXEO/ref=sr_1_12?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1376617591&sr=1-12&keywords=n64+usb

Also there's a third-party USB controller

http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-64-Classic-Controller-Color-Retrolink/dp/B009D3HSTG/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1376617591&sr=1-3&keywords=n64+usb

>>996138
Oh and the USB controller is in black too, like >>996125 said. I just linked to the gray one.

step aside, plebians

>>996228
Looks like one of those anal dildos that massage your prostate

>>996016
it'd be nice if the buttons were raised a bit and if the casing had more of a textured feel but the DualShock is fucking timeless and gets a lot of mileage. there really isn't another decent modern gamepad where the d-pad is the primary other than the Wii Pro.

What controller has the best analog sticks ever made? Arguably the most important feature of a controller for modern games, yet also one of the hardest to talk about.

>>996291
I've only tried DualShock and n64. I honestly enjoyed the n64 more because the thumb was more straight if you know what I mean. Moving your thumb forward moved the analog forward unlike the dualshock where you gotta move your thumb left to move forward

>>995856
This anon has won, you can lock the thread now

>>996291
The 360 analog sticks are pretty damn good. Good location, good response, and they don't wear your thumbs out or slip when your fingers start to sweat.

>>996016
set dash to R
set weapon switch Right to X

problem-o solved-o

>>996318
I understand what you meant and I agree!

>>996318
I always found the n54 awkward because of how my arm was held right in front of me. Like I always had to have my left wrist straight to comfortable hold the controller. If it was angled just slightly I would agree with you. But I have never been bothered by my thumb moving left to go up. Its something I either never noticed or I don't hold my controller completely horizontal.

This. BUT!

No durability enhanced version ever made.
Discontinued long ago.

Fucking madcatz!

>>996641
wow, n64, nto 54. how the fuck did I miss that

>>996663
It looks like something I really want to try, but at the same time it also looks like it's as non-durable as you say.

>>991089
I'm also chilean, and some of my best memories playing vidya with my friends were quite similar (MAME, N64, that CD full of sega roms that pretty everyone in our country with a computer had).

Luckily my best friend didn't succumb to COD. We still play together from time to time.

>>996138
The retrolink isn't very good in this case, people looking for usb n64 style controllers should look for tomee or something else.

>>996228
Actually that looks quite comfortable

>>996016
Actually, as a full time lover of the DS I find that if you try to put your fingers on both the D-pad and the right stick of an X360 controller your fingers end up getting squished even more than the DS. That's why they put the stick on top.

>>996679
Well, too bad, they don't make megajoysticks anymore.

>>995928
>implying

I use this for fightan gaems and shmups, works well as 6-button genesis or saturn controller rip off.

>>998890
So? They still make trackballs.

>>990709
Ive got two of these 360 and PS3, use it for fighting games and shmups, I wanna change the artwork however. Maybe i'll just sand the art off.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/109309/tutorial-how-to-mod-a-madcatz-fightpad-internal-external-mods

>>990268
>gamecube was awesome for fighting games

especially with that tiny-ass d-pad?

good god.

>>1000268
I don't typically use the D-Pad in fighting games, but maybe I'm a pleb.

Gamecube controller worked great for Soul Caliber 2, and obviously worked amazing for Smash Bros Melee and Brawl.

Still, you're right about the D-Pad. Most games used it for functions like changing the visors in Metroid Prime.

>>996029
>nice, smooth, analog feeling triggers with a bit of resistance to them
>triggers that are convex

Disgusting.

>>1000286
I can't stand using analog sticks (or joysticks for that matter), they feel really clumsy to me compared to d-pads where I don't have to worry about any movement lag associated with the stick and can just go as fast as my thumb allows me to.

>>1000178
Is... is that for a VMU?

>>1000178
>second analog where the c-stick was

Why the fuck DIDN'T Nintendo do this? God, that one fact absolutely killed the Gamecube for FPS games. The C-stick was garbage for them because it had no cap that you could get a good grip on.

>>991624
What about that stick sucks? I saw one in a games shop once, and passed on it. I didn't enjoy how tight the stick felt; There was little room from neutral to the gate. Also, it was forty dollars. Are you telling me I made a good decision?

The best would be a Saturn controller whit the Neo-Geo CD D-Pad and the shoulder buttons of a PS.

The Saturn controller is indeed pretty good.

>>1000334
>Why the fuck DIDN'T Nintendo do this?
Because they didn't design their controller around FPS games. I assume if the gamecube had been hosting every cowadooby game, they would have designed the controller around it.

>>1000178
add a select button and the C buttton above the B button[of course with the same shape] and we have a deal

I personally love the GCN controller for the games I played on it. I was a kid when it came out so I was into SSBM which was amazing and the controls were just perfect for it.

Racing games suffered due to the poor triggers that destroyed your joints after a few hours (unless I was just being a bitchy kid).

>>1000504
All they had to do was put a fucking mushroom cap on the C-stick, but they kept it a mostly unusable nub for most games. That isn't good design at all.

>>1000504
>>1000842
i never had a problem with the c-stick even in FPS like timesplitters future perfect
maybe it's because i actually hold controllers normally and gently when playing fps instead of apparently trying to fucking crush them like xbox players and people complaining about dual shock?

Playing Megaman X4 on a Saturn controller is euphoria

Playing it with a PS1/2 controller is suffering

>>1000859
I never had a problem with it either
but I still really dislike the controller.

>>1000842
They never really intended for it to be used as a second analog stick. Your assumption is that they did.

>>1000892
>second analog stick
>never really intended for it to be used as a second analog stick
nigga what

>>1000896
It was the C-stick. "C" for camera.

Also as a replacement for the N64's C-buttons. Same color, btw (big hint).

>>1000859
I have larger hands and the small c-stick doesn't sit very well for me in FPS games. It works great for Super Smash Bros, though, since you just flick it.

>>1000892
>>1000896
>>1000905
No, it was not an assumption that they did, its a point that they should have done that for good business. Nintendo's Gamecube did not need even more snubbing to third party developers.

>>991078
It's only the cross button on playstation systems, where the buttons are shapes. When the buttons are letters "ex" is accurate.

>>1000462
am I the only one who liked the original american saturn controller?

>>995928
that's not the dreamcast triggers or logitech analogs

>>989914

>5th generation console (3D gaming)
>no analog stick

dropped.

the first dual shock was the best controller of gen 5, but even it had the problems of a terrible D-Pad. N64 had a great Dpad but a horribly designed controller for 3 handed mutants.

>>990005
i passed up one of these for 250 with 3 games, i just couldn't afford it with my car being broke...

>>1001076
The Saturn and PS both shipped with an all-digital controller.

Then the N64 was released with an analog stick.

Then very shortly afterward the Saturn controller came out with Nights.

Then Sony released their first analog controller (the pre-Dual Shock with no rumble and different design), followed later by the Dual Shock.

>>1001092

While all this is true, it still means that the all digital saturn pad was outclassed by controllers of its same generation, much less controllers for all time. It's a 4th gen controller on a 5th gen console.

Now the analog stick saturn pad might be good, I've never used one, but god damn if it doesn't look unwieldly, like the dreamcast pad. I was never a big fan of holding the dreamcast pad. No ergonamic hand grips.

Gen 4 both Nintendo and Sega figured out that curved controllers were more comfortable in the hand, and then Sony nailed the design for the general shape of a controller that's most comfortable and everyone uses it.

It's just a shame about sony's analog stick placement and d-pad.

the Xbox One controller looks good despite the console being shit. I might buy one for PC gaming.

It's what has always been needed. The comfort of that general controller design, the Nintendo GCN/Xbox stick placement, concave sticks, and a Nintendo D-Pad (since the patent expired in 2006 microsoft can now use the Nintendo D-Pad design which has been the best for 30 years)

>>1001123
Digital Saturn controller is excellent for 2D games though, just about up there with the SNES controller for me.

>>1000905
My friends and I always called it the clit stick because all you could really do is flick it. And when it change the camera angle it was like a bitchs eyes rolling back.

>>1001189
If that story's true then I kind of feel bad for you and your friends. lol

>>990786
Woah. Is this any good?

>>1001132

sure, but the saturn also had 3D games, meaning that controller was no good for playing them.

>>1000462
Fuck you. You're the reason why I have to pay so much for these controllers.

>>1000178

>replacing a Nintendo D-pad with a non Nintendo D-Pad

fucked up royally. Why would you do that?

>>991186
that looks faggy as hell

>>1001258
I have one and it feels fucking great. It doesn't beat the saturn d-pad, but they're apples and oranges really.

>>1000939
>N64 had horrible ties with third parties
>PS2 succeeded thanks to the PS1's success
>PS2 got loads of third party support
>a slight variation on the C-Stick would've saved the GameCube

The biggest reason why Nintendo slipped into the realm of irrelevance with MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice is because Nintendo stop pushing themselves. Not as hardcore as Sony did, anyway.

>>1001123
I think the point of the thread is to see which controller performs best at what it's designed to do. Obviously an NES controller is not as good as a 360 controller for playing a modern first person shooter, but a 360 controller is not as good as an NES controller at playing 2D sidescrollers. Sega Saturn controller does it's job excellently.

>>1001258
If you like fighting games in particular, it is second only to a fight stick. Not that great for anything with 4 directional movement. The d-pad-stick thing is microswitch clicky like a joystick and is great for circular movements. The buttons are a little weird, they're very soft, but not mushy; they just sort of softly float down. That's the biggest difference between this and the similar PDP controller, which has microswitch buttons. That and this has much higher build quality.

Has anyone bought the Play Sega controllers?

I've been thinking about buying one off ebay.

It's nearly impossible to find a six button controller that doesn't look and feel like complete shit.

>>1001496
From what I hear, those look and feel like complete shit. My understanding is that they're some cheap commemorative gift that Sega just slapped a logo onto and called it a day.

>>1001503

I figured you were going to say that.

I heard these Play Sega versions were just the RetroLink bran with a new logo on the front.

Any suggestions for a good sega controller for emulation?

>>1001496
I bought one a while ago, but I don't own an original model 2 Saturn controller to compare it to. I've held one in a store for a few seconds, and as far as I can tell the only difference is that the shoulder buttons on the Play Sega controllers are noticeably more stiff. It's a solid controller, apart from that, but I don't feel like it's genuine because it didn't really live up to the hype that the genuine article gets.

>>1001512
Honestly, I have no problem with the Retrolink ones. They're cheaply made and they creak and groan when you squeeze them, but all the actual controls feel quite nice.

If that doesn't do it for you though, original controller + adapter is your best bet.

>>996690
Hey neighbor, Argentinian mate-fanboy here, I've got an offtopic question. Did you had NES back in the day? Our country had Famicom only and shitty cartridge games.

>>1001301

And the Playstation had 3D games, meaning the original dualshock was no good for playing them.

>>1001525
Yes, we did. I have one, still on the box and it's still working, it was a present from my uncle.

But we also had lots of Famiclones as well, so that wasn't alien to me. We usually called those "Family", I dunno what you guys called them over there.

The console that was really weird to see around here (at least from my experience) was the Sega Genesis.

>>1001225
It all started when a friend made that connection while tripping. We all thought it stupid. Once the drugs wore off he didn't remember saying it. So we told him and kept saying it just to pass him off. It's more of an inside joke than anything. Not an every day term.

>>1001519
I had a couple of them and the piece of shit dpads broke within an hour

>>1001532

Why do you say that? The original dualshock had 2 analog sticks

As far as retro controllers go, Saturn is my favorite, closely followed by PSOne.

Retro board notwithstanding, I think the Vita has the best d-pad and face buttons, Dreamcast the best triggers, Saturn the best shoulder buttons, PS2 the best analogues, and Gamecube the best form-factor (though I suppose the Dreamcast's triggers would alter the design somewhat.)

>>1001912
Yes, quality control is non existent with those
Mine has seen fairly regular use over the course of 2 months and no problems yet

>>1001914

I keep forgetting the original wasn't called the Dualshock.

I meant this thing. Playstation 1 was launched in '95, the Dualshock didn't come out until '98.

Classic Boomerang

>Space Harrier Tier

fuck yeah

>>1002097
Jesus fuck those things were made out of pure indestructibility.

>>1002097
This is still the most comfortable controller to me. Fuck those annoying analogue pads taking up all my space.

>>1001496
they're shit

Whereabouts could once acquire a Saturn controller at a reasonable price?
I've been meaning to grab one for a while but eBay is full of bubblefags.

>>1002131

This. When playing time crisis with the original G-loc gun, you could plug one of these into cpntroller port 2, and stand on it like the pedal in the arcade. Played the hell out of it, never broke a controller

>>1001043
Yes.

>>1001302
But only 2 of them are not Japanese! The Japanese pads are dirt cheap and only differ in colour.

>>1001496
I've been wondering about these for a while.

If they suck so much, why not take a busted Saturn controller and put the Play Sega board inside of it? Wouldn't that solve the problem right there, instead of having to buy adapters?

>>1002164

A Japanese one, but anything you might save on it you'll lose on shipping which'll be around 6 dollars.

I've got to ask, does anyone happen to know of a half decent PlayStation 2 or USB controller, with dual analog, that happens to have a Saturn style/quality D-pad?

I found a Logitech wireless PS2 controller a bit back, the d-pad is...decent, but I'm just hoping there's something out there nicer.

But OP, you already posted an incorrect opinion

>>989914
Shit, badly designed console.

Great controllers. Shame the people who designed the controllers didn't design the godawful Saturn.

>>989970
The Saturn 3D controller was great...then they decided to fuck it up with the DC controller.

Why did they change the button layout and shape?

>>989970
The fact they abandoned the "Sega aesthetic" with the Dreamcast controller was foreshadowing of Sega's loss of identity which is now almost complete.

>>990106
I prefer the classic Sega Megadrive/Saturn button layout; unlike the diamond layout, there's a kind of natural hierarchy meaning there''s a standard control for most games.
With diamond layout its completely fucking random which button does what.

>mfw Sega abandon the things they did right but kept doing the stuff they did wrong.

Hell yeah. Step it up, guys.

>>990182
I preferred the Sega d-pad; I can actually go fucking diagonal without having to press both up and right.

When Sega went with the cross pad it was a sign of their imminent death and loss of identity; copying everyone else instead of doing their own shit.

>>1004190
I could buy one of those tomorrow. Something always stops me though.

Guess I'm not enough of a die-hard sega fan

captcha: eacesn out

>>1004192
>I preferred the Sega d-pad; I can actually go fucking diagonal without having to press both up and right.
People actually do that? Seriously?

>>990141

You know what, for the games that existed on the system, the N64 controller was actually pretty great.

Replace the C-buttons with a C-Slider and it might be even better.

>>1004213
What is a slider?

>>1004576
Like the psp nub or the 3ds analog pad(?)

>>1004213
hold the fucking phone you casual

6-button master race here and fuck that c-slider shut you're trying to bring up

>>1004583
I say it with regards to the games that ended up being released for the N64. Very few used the C buttons in a way worthy of a 6-button pad. MK4 comes to mind...but I'm not even entirely sure about that.

>>1004586
Killer Instinct Gold, yo!

get with the program

>>1004591
ah, right. I didn't like Killer Instinct much so it slipped my mind. But the N64 pad is completely retarded for fighting games anyway. You're better off with something else.

>>990993
>i have never played the saturn, ever
god-tier 32 bit goodness

>>1004617
so many inferior ports, enjoy all that

I own a razer sabertooth at the moment

>>990709
I was thinking about buying one of these. Anyone know the responsiveness of the buttons?

>>995974
What brand is this? can you get them in Europe?

>>1005056
Forgot Pic

>>1005000
Those ports are superior, so I think I will enjoy them quite a bit.

>>1005056
Brand is PDP, formerly Pelican

BOW DOWN TO YOU CHINESE OVERLORDS

>>1005257
HAHAHAHAHA I HAVE CIRCLES

>>1005259
WESTERN PIG CANNOT EVEN COMPREHEND MY BUTTONS

>>1005263
THE VIRTUAL BOY WILL MAKE A COMEBACK IN THE WESTERN LANDS
I READ IT ON THE INTERNET

>>1005267
FOOLISH WESTERNERS CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND A MORE EXPENSIVE STEERING WHEEL

>>1005274
LIKE INSECTS THEY FLOCK TO THE LIGHT

>>1005257
>>1005259
>>1005263
>>1005267
>>1005274
>>1005282

stop it

I've posted this design I made in a few places but I feel like /vr/ would enjoy/find a million things wrong with it most.

-Dualshock layout with Xbox 360 styled hand grips
-Gamecube styled control sticks and triggers
-SNES styled D-Pad
-Six face buttons for Genesis/Saturn and Nintendo 64 games

What do y'all think?

>>1005303
BEHOLD
WE HOPE YOU DON'T MIND REUSED HALLOWEEN ART

>>1005306
That makes me want to weep.

/VR/ LIKE THE SEGA SATURN CONTROLLER
WELL CHINA DOES WHAT SEGADONT

>>1005313
THE CHILD WORKERS PERISHED BEFORE THEY COULD FINISH DESIGNING OUR FINAL CONTROLLER
WE HAVE IT ON SALE FOR 30 AMERICAN CLAMS, SO WE HOPE YOU DON'T MIND

>>1005303

>SNES d-pad

Would not touch.

Replace with Genesis d-pad,and it's perfect.

>>1005323

>No start button

How am I supposed to pause the game?

I've got one of these coming in the mail
>dat super logical analog stick position
Dunno if it works out in reality, I'll have to wait and see. Maybe if someone actually has a Wii U they can shed some light on it.

>>1005303
>>1005306
Why don't more controllers have a six button layout? There isn't much in the way of downsides.
and
>Dualshock layout with Xbox 360 styled hand grips
Comfy
>Gamecube styled control sticks and triggers
Those triggers are the absolute worst. Unnecessary travel, very noticeable springs, and they've got that CLACK when it finally hits. Gross.
>SNES styled D-Pad
Better than Sony and Microsoft d-pads, but always inferior to Sega's and maybe some 3rd party d-pads
>Six face buttons for Genesis/Saturn and Nintendo 64 games
Very much yes

Not /vr/ but probably gamecube, it was an ugly thing, but damn did it feel right.

>>990709
>Fat Bob in the middle

What? Why? Just use King, or Jin or...fuckin' anyone. Bob?!?

I just googled "dreamcast triggers" and there was a HowStuffWorks page talking about how the buttons and shit on it operate. At the bottom of the page it talks about the VMU being "business card sized", which I suppose is right in two of the three dimensions.

Makes me think that they could make a VMU with today's tech that'd be really thin compared to a dreamcast one but with more memory and a color screen and shit.

>>1007340
and there would still be absolutely 0 use for it besides saving your games to it.

/thread

>>1001048
>dreamcast triggers
>vomit.jpg

Don't mind me, just being the last official 6-facebutton controller.

>>989914
Well said. D pad was easy on the fingers and this model 2 was so much easier to hold.
>>990305
get out

>>1007452
Not retro.

>>1007532
Kinda hard to judge "the best controller of all time" when all time is only pre 1999

>>990993
>>1005000
>>1005087
It's off putting to see "must play" lists for a console padded with over a dozen home versions of arcade games that you're better served either finding a working cabinet or emulating through MAME; the only exceptions being ST-V titles like Radiant Silvergun but even that has been supplanted with the remake. The Saturn had some definitive versions of games that were otherwise exclusive to the PlayStation but they were never that drastic.

>>1007452
And this is how 6-face button controllers went out. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

Still the best.

There is nothing you can do to improve this controller. It is ergonomically and functionally perfect.

>>1007037
>dat super logical analog stick position

The Wii U Pro really d-pad really does feel "right" when using the d-pad and buttons, especially for larger hands. I think part of it is the design of the handles.

>Those triggers are the absolute worst. Unnecessary travel, very noticeable springs, and they've got that CLACK when it finally hits. Gross.
All of those things either don't really exist ("unnecessary" travel) or exist to serve a purpose that is unique to the GCN controller (the final digital click). Best triggers since.

>Better than Sony and Microsoft d-pads, but always inferior to Sega's and maybe some 3rd party d-pads
I've asked around before, and I've found that it's really just preference. There is a slight tendency for people whose left thumb inadvertently moves around a lot and doesn't stay centered to prefer the Sega d-pad for freedom of movement, whereas those who keep their thumb centered on the D-pad prefer the Nintendo cross for accuracy and low travel.

>>1007583
Those lists aren't necessarily for people who are out to download anything and/or everything in existence. You should probably expand your world view to consider the possibility that there are people who own physical Saturns who just want to be able to play good games on them regardless of the existence of some expensive arcade PCB or its illegally-distributed ROM via emulation for its unique virtues.

>>1007726
But that's not a US SNES controller, anon.

>>1007734
>But that's not a US SNES controller, anon.
Normally I'd prefer concave buttons, but for some reason I prefer the SFC's convex ones. They're not uncomfortable at all, and they feel more "springy" than the the SNES. Also the colours are nicer to look at.

>>1007734
Colored buttons are superior, dude.

>>1007726
>. It is ergonomically and functionally perfect.
> ergonomically
maybe if you have a childs hands

>>1007758
I'm a fat hairy gorilla man with big sausage fingers and it's absolute comfort for me.

>>1007738
>>1007749
The colors are nice, but the concave Y and X buttons on the US controller are excellent for homing your thumb. That was a minor but smart decision that just improved an already excellent design.

>>1007734
>lists aren't necessarily for people who are out to download anything
>has links geared towards piracy top and center

What's /vr/'s opinion on the N64's d-pad?

Nobody ever talks about the N64's d-pad...

>>1007726
I'm sure you've noticed the similarities. Wish it was as thin though.

>>1008264
I don't remember playing anything that used it?

>>1008264
It's underused.
The vast majority of games don't use it, and I don't think many people use the N64 controller for playing non-N64 games.

>>1008264
I remember it being somewhat stiff.

>>1008304
Kirby 64 and Mischief Makers come to mind.

>>1008304
Off the top of my head:

>Kirby 64
>Tony Hawk 1,2,3
>Killer Instinct Gold

>>1008264
It's identical the NES and SNES d-pad. So it's excellent, but you rarely use it.

>>1008304
Pokemon Stadium.
You could use it as the C-buttons in Perfect Dark but no one does.

>>1008376
Is it really? I had Sega 8 and 16 bit consoles so I never used them. A lot of people seem to praise the NES and SNES d-pad but if it's anything like the d-pad on the N64, NGC, GBC or GBA then I really don't understand the love for it.

>>989914

>Six face buttons
>No shoulder buttons

Total waste. Only good for fighting games and nothing else.

>>1009064
>Saturn controller
>no shoulder buttons
u wot m8

>>1009064
>no shoulder buttons
shows how much you know

>>1009057
>I really don't understand the love for it.

Me neither - I grew up with MD and Saturn, but my family also had a SNES and a N64, and the nintendo controllers were pathetic compared to the Sega ones.

>>989914
If you want best "off all time" then your choice is wrong. Good luck playing FPS games on that.

If it is for retro systems only then that is hard to beat. Although I really do like the dual shock controller. I really like the the hand holds are large enough to give me a good grip with out filling my hands. I cant stand overly large controllers or the flat SNES style controller. I need something to grip on to.

>>990113
lol I have two of those. They're amazing. My only complaint is the weight of the controller. They're kind of light but still durable.

>>989914
grew up with a saturn

I agree with op
the saturn had one of the best dpads of all time

>>1009057
>Is it really?
There are very slight differences, but yeah, they are largely the same in feel. I have held a few N64 controllers with a slightly flat/low-travel/muddy feeling compared to the others, though.

>NGC, GBC or GBA
These are all smaller than NES/GB/SNES/N64. The feel is obviously different.

>>1009649
>Good luck playing FPS games on that.

Who would want to play FPS games on a controller?

>>1012971
Goldeneye players from over a decade ago till today.

>>1008264
I played Mortal Kombat Trilogy with it and it was fantastic.

>>1012975
So no one I care about since post 2000 is non retro and PC alternatives are available...okay.

>>1007726
Good luck playing street fighter with that thing

The thing about six face buttons is that comboing is much easier if you have dedicated fingers to work with instead of switching from thumb to finger and back to thumb...that's fucking annoying. It was okay in mortal kombat since you could just use the shoulder buttons to block but chaining imputs while switching from fingers to thumbs and back was goddamn annoying

>>1012993
>no one I care about
To be fair, nobody gives fuck about whom you care about.

>>1013084
not true, I care about who I care about.

I'm excited to try out the next gen controllers
They both seem like direct improvements
Xbox's new shoulder buttons look interesting, mainly.

>>1014158
but wtf would you use an xbone controller for?

sage for not retro

>>1014168
Chances are you can use it with your computer
And the entire thread is not retro

>>1014180
>And the entire thread is not retro
Well, that's really too bad because of the board we're on.

I'm still posting, but I'm not going to bump any of my non-retro posts.

>>1014194
Well take it out on the OP for not putting it on /v/, not me

>best company
>best console
>best controller
>best games
>best multiplats
>best advertising campaigns
>best rapper

Why did the Saturn fail? It might've had something to do with FF7 being the only reason the PS1 succeeded, it also might've had something to do with how Sega just killed it's foothold in the USA.

>>1014229
No Ice Cube game killed it, obviously.

>>1014234
And Mr. T killed WoW

>>1014206
I didn't do anything except sage my posts and explain myself when asked. What are you on about?

>>995974
I actually bought this on a whim, after seeing this post a few days ago.

It's a pretty solid controller, it's great for Genesis emulators, though it does take time to adjust to the analog stick. It's comfortable to hold, too.

>>1014245
Nothing, didn't mean to imply that you were mad or anything, just there's no reason to point out non retro controllers instead of the thread that's titled the best controllers of all time
all time being kind of gimped if "all time" is only counting pre '99

>>1014276
I had another comment to make about your post and I just explained the sage, that's all.

Improved my Street Fighter game by a lot.

>>1007037
It has arrived
And I was right
For most games anyway, the layout it just works better, feels more natural, and without getting too HXC MLG PRO SNIPER, feels like you can get more precise. You know it's right when you don't even need to take time to adjust to a new controller.
A modern style controller should have this layout if it is to be the best of all time

>>1014880
I disagree with your opinions about the other anon's proposed controller concept, but you're right about the Wii U Pro layout. It's easily the best controller layout for modern games so far.

>>1014956
>>1014880
That is a debatable statement. I cant stand analogue sticks that are placed up like that. My thumb just feels cramped and locked in. With a dual shock placement I feel like my thumb has room to 'breath'. It feels like I have a wider range of motion because my thumb cant run into my hand.

Its all trivial and in reality there is no big difference, but Personally its more comfortable to use dual shock placement analogues over a long period of time.

>>1014880
Also I forgot to mention; don't buy that controller it kind of sucks
The sticks change resistance as you push. They're not one smooth feeling, in order to "help" you turn quickly in a game by smashing the stick all the way to one side, while still being able to have control by just not doing that. Just ends up being in the way. Also it gets all sorts of weird issues if you turn the sensitivity up too high; it'll start reading inputs on buttons you didn't even push. The rubber coating on it is godly though, I want to sleep in a bed made of it.

>>989970
>mfw this isn't forwards compatible with the Dreamcast.

Talk about a crime against gaming. I could really do without the VMU (I like it and all, but let's face it, it was barely ever useful in a unique way besides FUTBALL).

They could've at least kept the analog stick design in the Dreamcast Controller. Or the number of buttons. Hell, anything.

>>991619
>the joysticks wearing out

Don't forget
>Way too small
>wears on your thumb
>Easy to slip thumb off it unless you have babbyhands
>that stupid octagon limit

And a dumb complaint, but

>Feels cheap as fuck

>>1015015
How big are your hands?

>>1015007
The Saturn 3d pad has a detachable cord, so I don't think it would be impossible to build a converter for the DC.

>>1015053
There are already standard SS controller to DC adapters. I suspect they work fine for the 3D controller as well, but I can't confirm that.