/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9898864
You don't understand. Mario 64 is
> oh my gosh I can control him in full 3D I can go to eight glorious sides and explore the trees oh my god everything is so real L is real too I can almost taste him!!! Best gamerino of 1996

Basically you won't get those feelings if you're (obviously) weren't there back then.

>>9898864
It's literally the first of its kind. They had to solve so many issues just to get Mario 64 playing as well as it did. And weirdly the deeper into the game you get, the more realized and intricate the level design becomes. I much prefer the 2d Mario games but put some respect on the 3d OG.

>>9898864
Meh I don't think it plays or feels like this description even if its seemingly accurate

Getting better at 64 also feels much more rewarding and addicting. That's what people who don't get 64 popularity can't comprehend, it's insane how much depth there is just getting better at controlling Mario.

>>9898864
It gets points for being the first of a kind, and still getting concepts right that other games after it wouldn't get as well.
But it is over hyped, like any other 64 game, since everyone had the same 10 games it generated an echo chamber unlike anything you'd see in other consoles.

The fact that they were openworld levels that can be explored in any which way instantly makes it superior to the linear Galaxy games

Sorry but I don’t care about video games aimed at 7 year olds

>>9898864
>"2D Mario is about obstacle course platforming gameplay"
>you get a power up and you fly through the level
meh, i prefer mario 64 to tell the truth. The linear 2d Mario games get boring as you go along, but in Mario 64 it's entertaining to slide down a slide or race a koopa.

>>9898874
>It's literally the first of its kind.
killyourself

>>9898874
And? Street Fighter was the first of its kind and most people pretend it doesn't exist.

It's the beginning of the collectathon genre, it's weird that people think it started with Rare when they just followed this game's lead.

For the assmad people who quibble about the term, I am not using the term as an insult

I don't know, looks like Mario 64 took what they were developing in World (secret exits, enormous levels with secrets to uncover, ability to play levels in any order) and Yoshi Island (red coins, even bigger levels, no power-ups, etc.) and put that into 3D.

>half empty
they're not, and that's sm64 strong point. exploration is rewarded and there's never slow boring moments, and if you dont like a world you can focus getting stars in another one.

>>9899184
There were plenty of fighting games before Street Fighter.

>>9899028
Not an argument, autist.

>>9898864
I played it when it came out. Was a huge Marion fanboy starting with SMB3. I still think it might be the best game ever made. With that being said back then I thought the same about it not being a real Mario in 3D. But I didn't really care nor do I now because it was so good and unique regardless. It had enough old Mario to it, but so much new stuff that felt Mario.

>>9899254
SMB not SMB3

>>9898864
Yes 3D mario is nothing like bland 2D mario and it's why it's so much better

>>9898864
I love Mario 64, but I never understood the idea that it was a perfect representation of 2d Mario in 3D. Just more mindless dick sucking, as is common for a lot of the classic games of the era.
Funny enough, I think Crash Bandicoot is a better representation of 2d Mario. The rendering tricks they'd use to fit these continuously flowing levels in were much more reminiscent of previous gen platforming games. Mario 64 instead opted for collwcting ine power star at a time as a workaround for map size limitations. Still fun, but the experience is completly different from classic Mario.

>>9898962
video games are a fundamentally childish hobby (which is fine), you don't get to play them while asserting HOW MATURE you are compared to gamers who play KIDS GAMES
unless your goal is to simultaneously pitied and laughed at, in which case go for it

>>9898864
Yeah, as someone who didn't have an N64 as a kid it really isn't all that great without the nostalgia bonus.

>>9899195
It's not a collectathon. The only thing worth collecting are stars, which are the very goal of the level.

>>9899301
you're collecting stars, a bunch of which aren't required to beat the game
it's the first example of the genre before later games added collection bloat and became unrewarding

>>9898864
I was in 3rd grade. Used to boot the game up and spend an hour just doing flips and jumps in the courtyard while making up little stories in my head about what was happening. Zoomers are literally incapable of comprehending the level of soul we had back then.

>>9898864
It was a time no one knew what was going on. 3D was such a drastic change in vision and gameplay.
Remember that open world is still a meme and if your game is linear, retards think it's bad. It took forever for Mario to return to its roots with Galaxy 2, but at the same, we didnt realize mario 64 was not a true "3D SMB" and it was just how the game worked in 3D. also it's still an amazing game which probably matters the most

The Mario games are about athleticism and freedom, according to Shiggy himself.

the secret levels in Sunshine when they take away your nozel thing however do fit the criteria of obstacle course platforming quite nicely and makes good use of that 3D

>>9899432
I know everyone loves those levels, but God I fucking hated them. I wanted ti explore a 3D level, not play Super Mario Bros

Its like SMW, they are the peak of their genres in the movement mechanics, but the level design does not make good use of it. Rom hacking is where it is at.

>>9898962
sorry, i didn't realise how mature and adult you are, discussing how adult and mature you are talking about video games to random strangers lol

>>9898864
Mario 64 is fun as fuck. that's all that matters.

>>9898864
3D Land was the first one to attempt the 2D style in 3D. We didn't even get the Fire Flower in 3D until Galaxy.

>>9898871
This is honestly the best way to explain it. 3D was a new thing at the time, the fact that you could run around the castle and collect coins and stars in 3D in general is what made it so mesmerizing as a kid.

>>9898864
It's SMW but every level has 7 keys. How is that not a faithful adaptation?

>>9899218
Name fifteen.

>>9898864
A "faithful adaption of Mario into 3D" is 3D Land and 3D World and those games are fucking boring. Back then Nintendo understood that simply adding another axis wasn't necessarily the way to make the game fun.

>>9900258
>and those games are fucking boring
3D World is a great fucking game though, it's fun to play but it feels pretty generic compared to other 3D Mario games. Literally the only non-generic thing about it is the fact that you can play as Rosalina. 3D Land and 3D World are basically NSMB 3D but that's not a bad thing. Gameplay-wise NSMB Wii and U are unironically solid 2D platformers

>>9900276
This.

Also multiplayer in 3d world is actual coop since you dont constantly get in each other's way like in nsmbwii.
3D world is amazing to play with your wife or kid

I think Mario64 looks a lot like Elmo ifyouknowwhatImean

>>9900435
>2D Mario is about obstacle course platforming gameplay,
Yea, and guess what those "half empty" 3D maps in 64 are filled with?

>>9898864
>2D Mario is about obstacle course platforming gameplay,
Yea, and guess what those "half empty" 3D maps in 64 are filled with?

>>9900467
Liminal spaces?

>>9900252
Superfluous argument anyway, because the initial anon that kicked this off meant "First 3D MARIO of it's kind", but he's a dumb ESL and fucked it up.

>>9900732
I don't think that's what he meant. Anti-Nintendo cultism aside, were there really 3D platformers with analog stick controls before SM64?

I think neither 2D mario or 3D are that good, both for different reasons.

>>9900630
Did you really believe this before it started getting memed to death?

>>9898864
3D Land and World are the only faithful 3D adaptations of classic Mario. 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, and Odyssey are more but from a gameplay perspective they're pretty much an entirely different series. The thing is the N64 literally couldn't handle making a proper 3D Mario since if they made roughly 64 unique obstacle courses like the 2D games it wouldn't fit on the cartridge so they had to pad out the game by reusing areas, accidentally inventing the collectathon.

>>9901753
I think anon is merely parroting the meme as a joke.
>>9900258
3D World is fun, albeit in a different way.

>>9898864
I don't care what you thought it should be; I care what it is.

Mario 64 is a great game.

>>9900249
Also the wing cap is just the cape feather in 3D. The controls and function are exactly the same.

>>9899567
A Hat in Time has better movement.
>>9899270
2D Mario wasn't that bland until NSMB homogenized everything.

Here's a vintage review back from the 90s that actually covers every aspect, from the "oooh 3D!" to the "this isn't really like Mario is it?" aspects:
http://www.world-of-nintendo.com/reviews/nintendo_64/super_mario_64_hooft.shtml

Choice quotes:
>we watched the princess asking Mario to come by and have a piece of cake. "Easy" my sister said, we can do that! I was in no hurry, so for almost an hour we've been running through the garden. We did some crazy jumps, and really: the controller immediately felt like it'd been in our hands for a long long time.

>Just before we had dinner, I could get the very first star. I noticed that it was mainly the problem of having no idea how to explore a 3-D world, what kept us so long from getting a star. Then I immediately found out what would be my biggest concern against this game: it is too much exploring. When I go playing a Mario game I want to have action; jumping, beating enemies by jumping on them, but just not that much exploring. When I want to explore I'll stick to playing The Legend of Zelda! Sure, this is fun -and I mean A LOT of fun-, but it just isn't what I want from a Super Mario game.

>Super Mario 64 sets a mountain high standard for future games, and is a lot of fun most of the time. However, it isn't hard to imagine that people will completely dislike the game, for some reasons. The courses which come to running around all the time and not knowing what to do, the stars after the first star which are too easy. To me, this game seems just too non-linear. I'll keep playing this game until the 120 stars mark, but I wonder if the 'normal gamers' will be attracted that much to it either. Further this game simply is not what I wanted in a Mario game.

>>9902490
>this game simply is not what I wanted in a Mario game
>not muh mario
nothing new under the old sun.

>>9899283
The N64 sold less than the SNES after all. I guess a lot of Mario fans went to Playstation and just enjoyed Crash when Nintendo abandoned them.