/vr/ - Retro Games

What? Ocarina of Time came out a decade after these games you goddamned zoomer.

>caring about zelduh canon
thats gonna be a yikes from me dawg

>>9898046
According to who? Definitely not anyone involved with any of those games

>>9898049
Sorry, I assumed everyone knew by now.
Picrel is the official Zelda timeline.

>there are people who care about the story in zelda

>>9898056
Eiji Aonuma

>>9898062
>you should stop doing this fun thing
I am actually going to continue

>>9898046
Only because OoT fucked up with Ganon's defeat at the end.

>>9898061
The Hyrule Historia version released for Skyward Sword. Here's a mildly updated fan version including BotW and some spinoff games.

>>9898046
I don't give the slightest shit.

>>9898046
Can you explain this please? Legitimately curious why this is the case if you're correct. Why does he need to die in OOT for these two stories to occur?

>>9898136
>ALttP explains that Ganondorf obtained the whole Triforce and was cursed to forever be Ganon before being sealed by the sages
>OoT ends with Ganondorf still human and only holding the Triforce of Power when he's sealed
Basically, it was a plot hole that Nintendo filled by saying that Link and Zelda were killed and relieved of their Triforces during the final battle of OoT.
>

Its all just slapped together crap that barely makes any sense and requires quite a lot of suspension of disbelief in "the timeline." Like how they say Hyrule in Zelda 1 is a wasteland because of Ganon winning in OOT and not because of limitations on the Famicom. Yea uh huh.

>>9898148
Ah

>>9898136
I'm in the process of trying to understand it myself.

To be clear, the first game said to take place after OoT is ALttP, so here's the gist of what apparently happens between OoT and ALttP:
>Ganondorf defeats Link in Ocarina of Time
>With no one to stop him from entering the Scared Realm, he does so and lays claim to the Triforce
>A tainted version of Hyrule called the Dark World is created, where Ganon reigns supreme
>Ganon attacks Hyrule from the Dark World with his newly created minions
>Hylian forces fight back hard enough to protect the Seven Sages
>The Seven Sages cast a magical seal on the entrance to the Dark World, trapping Ganon inside until the time comes when a new hero can stop him
>The events of A Link to the Past follow
tl;dr
It's less that Link needs to die in order for Zelda 1 to occur, and more that Link needs to die in order for LttP's events to occur.
Zelda 1 and 2 occur in the same timeline, but much later down the line, where the connections with the other games are vague and tenuous.

>>9898148
>>9898172
Honestly, there's a lot of interesting potential for cool games with all these tragic in-between events

>>9898061
>>9898071
>>9898115

>>9898197
You can tell this was made by a Wind Waker fan with extreme insecurity issues

>>9898115
>some spinoff games
The animated series is on there jsyk

>>9898204
The joke because you missed it:
Pretend the notes were written by Eiji Aonuma (directed Wind Waker, likes puzzles, likes Toon Link, doesn't action or difficulty, ruined the series depending on who you ask, etc)

>>9898061
>>9898115
>>9898197
“Official” lore was confirmed by Nintendo to be made at the last minute. They have no fucking idea what they’re doing and it was obviously a cash grab.

>>9898046

>muh zelda timeline

the order of the games changes literally every 5 years depending on whatever mood aonuma or miyamoto is in that particular day. who cares.

>>9898204
Yeah it was written by Aonuma himself.

>>9898046
>How does this make you feel?

>wind waker and twilight princess timelines are both established in those games, continuing on from what was implied in OOT
>Link dies branch can just never happen if you don't die

What a load of shit.

>>9898046
>if Link FUCKING DIES
Good. Stab it in the face with the hate it deserves and then do the same to zelda and jump on the corpses. Fucking sucks.

>>9898228
>>Link dies branch can just never happen if you don't die
this shouldn't contradict anything, since gameplay =/= canon
not saying it's not a load of shit, but that's no reason to think it is

>>9898229
Time to take your meds, champ

>>9898215
>>9898221
Oh I get it now, yeah it looks like it was made by an out-of-touch insecure weeb more than it looks like someone that helped to make a game but yeah, funny joke seems really in character for him and not an insecure internet weeb, the English impact font really helps

So in reality it was made by an insecure WW disliker, cool cool
>>9898217
>made at the last minute
All they did was make stories that loosely resemble the previous games until a couple fans said "I'm gonna make these fit together", Nintendo retconned that interpretation in and started writing around it (which is why later entries from then on are either before or long after the OoT split)
>Cash grab
All games are a cash grab, don't kid yourself

>>9898062
It's not even the story in the games though, that's the silly part.

>>9898249
>All games are a cash grab
Games are at least well thought out anon; what they did here was just a mess to cash in on the autism for the series. I never really cared about the lore and knew each game was a small reference to others. People losing their shit over this need to enjoy the games for what it is and forget lore obsession

>>9898276
10 Company makes game with lore
20 Fans connect with lore
30 Company sells even more lore in even more games to fans
40 goto 20
Run
>t. Every game series ever

There is no timeline.

It's a "legend", in other words it's all a fairytale. None of it ever happened. Each game is a retelling of the same story from a different culture.

>>9898308
If every game is a retelling of the same story why can't Wind Waker shut up about the Hero of Time

>>9898308
Fairytale and legend aren't synonymous, all of it is happening at the same time if you observe multiverse theory
>I don't
You don't have to, you can just play the game and enjoy it for what it is, nobody is forcing you to understand or even care about the time line, and anyone that is can easily be ignored.
>Each game is a retelling of the same story from a different culture
Yeah that's the general idea. Ganon either wins or loses, culture is affected, new stage for a game. I don't see why this is so controversial, the fact something fan made became canon should be celebrated but alas, jealousy is a terrible thing

>>9898321
Because all of the games reference a hero from the past who will come back. Its a cyclical event in the story.

>>9898331
>Fairytale and legend aren't synonymous

Well they're both fiction that's what I meant.
>observe multiverse theory
I do IRL but not in Zelda because I've never heard of it.
>the fact something fan made became canon should be celebrated
It's debatable that it's fan made, but I don't like that it makes it seem like they had it all planned from the start or something. I just think the timeline thing is dumb. I think the original intention was something more like what I said, retelling the same story. The events of each game are exactly the same story with minor cosmetic changes. Which is fine, that's actually what I like about Zelda.

>>9898349
>I do IRL
Multiverse theory states that all possible timelines exist alongside each other, this would include alternate worlds that are fictional in our world and real in theirs and vice versa. Tenuous and unfalsifiable scientifically, but it's a nice writing concept for fiction as it allows greater flexibility in the world and characters.
>It's debatable that it's fan made, but I don't like that it makes it seem like they had it all planned from the start or something
How would a fan creating a timeline on behalf of Nintendo demonstrate that Nintendo had planned a timeline all along? That's the exact opposite. The whole
>Retelling the same story
Is a direct reference to the fan reinterpretation, because it gives a canonical reason for this story to keep happening beyond "it's a game chillax". I don't think a Zelda game that was so flippant in tone would sell very well. "Save Zelda and collect the Triforce because what the fuck better are you doing with your life?" Is pretty catchy though I'll admit

>>9898381
>"Save Zelda and collect the Triforce because what the fuck better are you doing with your life?"

How the fuck did Link die if he is alive in all these games?

>>9898249
>All they did was make stories that loosely resemble the previous games
For fuck's sake, it was universally accepted that LttP was a prequel to the original games even in the 90s. And anyone who read LttP's dialog would immediately pick up on the fact that Ganondorf turning into Ganon in OoT was the thing that LttP talked about. There was zero ambiguity there. Even the Oracle games ended with Link on a boat and the triforce turning into seagulls, so anyone with a brain could tell what the intent was.

The "timeline" was as obvious and straightfoward as it could possibly be right up until the Gamecube-era games happened. The "the Zelda games were never meant to connect" is modern revisionism by people who grew up in the Gamecube era.

There is no Zelda timeline outside of maybe Windwaker being the far off sequel to OoT.

>>9898458
I didn't say that a loose resemblance makes it not canon. The first two games established the characters and the land, and aLttP built off that foundation while not directly reconstructing it. Every game after also did this. It's a loose resemblance. Nice reading comprehension

>>9898484
Are you an ESL?

>>9898115
Merged timeline theory is a bust thanks to Tears. BotW+Tears are very much their own thing, Ganondorf's backstory and the founding of Hyrule do not match OoT, ALttP nor Skyward Sword.

>>9898512
It's not my fault you don't understand.
>>9898517
Installing a Freeshop and experiencing myself. Ta-ta.

>>9898046
as far as i'm concerned, there is no continuity between the zelda games.

>>9898046
Doesn't make sense according to the games own internal logic so it doesn't work that way. Everything except the Windwaker games occur in the child Link timeline

>>9898230
the canon status of gameplay isn't something that has to be considered for the the other two because they actually occurred in the narrative

>>9898349
>I think the original intention was something more like what I said, retelling the same story.

both ALTTP and OOT were marketed as prequels to the games that came before. There's a zelda timeline because nintendo kept making games take place before other games instead of just having them be their own thing.

>>9898462
but majoras and twilight princess directly reference OOT

>>9898684
something tells me TotK is a prequel to SS

>>9898046
Makes me feel great because I love Zelda 1 & 2 and hate OoT.

>>9898046
Makes me feel like you can take your fake and gay timeline and shove it right back up your ass. None of the games have any real connection.

The official timeline is retarded and it made me stop caring about the lore. BotW and TotK basically actively spiting the timeline just makes me like it even less.

>>9898046
Horny.
What kind of reply are you hoping for, faggot? The timeline faggotry is meaningless.

>>9898867
The outraged ones likely

>>9898061
>>9898046
Imagine caring about any of this shit. Just play the games you tard. Lore troons need to be hanged

>>9899017
>just play the game
>don't pay attention to the story at all
>also don't get lost

>>9899038
The story plays out in games and the manuals. Not some faggy fanfic encyclopedia released 30 years after the fact. You are very gay and also dumb

Makes me feel fine, because that's not how it works.

In canon, Link abandons at least 1 timeline. When he goes back in time for the dungeon in gerudo desert, he creates a timeline where he "failed". He no longer exists in that universe. Then a new tomeline is created again, for a total of 3, when zelda send him back in time at the end of the game.

>>9898049
But that's why. The game didn't exist yet so no Link defeated Ganon.

>>9898308
> Each game is a retelling of the same story from a different culture.
This idea was always retarded. It’s the mongoloids who just glaze through story cutscenes who say this.

>>9898308
>Each game is a retelling of the same story from a different culture.
Anyone who says this never played the games

>>9898332
The only games that reference "the hero of time" are the ones that take place after Ocarina, you actual poser.

>>9898115
this is overflowing with autism, BOTW is not a real zelda game

>>9898156
it was a cool but unnecesary explanation

>>9898046
>most of the entries are a variation of "Ganon is revived"
>using Game Over as a timeline branch
it's shit. break it up into alternate universes that only have one game and the obvious sequel (Zelda 1/Zelda 2, LttP/LA, OoT/Majora)

>>9899282
That's true because it's an actual good game so it is an outlier

>>9898115
You can tell how much nintendo cares about this shit with how they just put botw at the end of all the timelines

>>9899282
The BOTW placement is official, but I get the feeling Nintendo's going to backtrack on it after the new game and just say it's an alternate universe.

>>9898046
That timeline is full of retcons.

I wish people could use the internet to nerd out about dumb video game theories in between porn binges like they used to without holier than thou's having meta-sperges about how it doesn't matter. It NEVER fucking mattered. That was never the point. It was always funsies. Personally, I don't think "fan theory" should be a dirty turn of phrase. It's just a nerd subject to have fun talking about nerd shit with other nerds. It's not an encyclopedic case of "no, you fool, it's this," but rather "maybe it WOULD be cool IF."

Zelda had a perfectly sensible timeline until some retard decided Wind Waker having the worst overworld ever was the most important thing.

Nothing, I dont give a shit about timeline autism

>>9898308
This sounds like a good fan theory. No one can stop me from believing this.

>>9898046
>he events of these games ONLY happen if Link FUCKING DIES in Ocarina of Time
>How does this make you feel?

fine. Link died a fucking lot when I first played OoT.

>>9899571
The games can stop you from believing it, though, if you didn't skip cutscenes.

reminder that Zelda isn't the only lore heavy Nintendo franchise

>>9899582
No game disproves it.
>link is a boat in DX because it follows alttp blah blah
It could be that Link happened to be on a boat by coincidence. Heck, it might be a special case and only these two games are connected. What now? The theory is unfalsifiable.

>>9899590
Damn, peach must be ancient compared to nu-mario. Is she immortal or what

>>9899590
so what's the deal with mario+wario land

>>9899590
Luckily I don't count Yoshi's Island.

>>9899597
>LTTP's backstory says a criminal named Ganondorf obtained the power of the triforce, turned into a pig monster, then got sealed away by seven sages in the distant past
>OOT is about a criminal named Ganondorf obtaining the power of triforce, turning into a pig monster, then getting sealed away by seven sages
There are a couple of natural inconsistencies that result from OOT being written half a decade later, but you have to be willingly retarded not to see what the intent of these two games were.

I don't know why people are so hellbent on the games not being connected to each other that they have to willingly ignore what's there.

>>9899649
Too bad windwaker then fucked it up. I don't know why they called the lttp timeline the 'defeated' timeline, when it's really just an alternate version of the adult timeline.

>>9898249
The games more or less did fit together until Ocarina decided to have Link and Zelda meet for the first time for the second time.

>>9898308
>>9899107
>>9899260
It works if you think of "The Legend of Zelda" the same way we think of King Arthur or Robin Hood. Or going further back, Hercules. The idea being that there was a Link, a Zelda, and a Ganon and they fought over a thing called the Triforce but the details change depending on who's telling the story because most of it is lost to time. The couple of games that deal with some other nonsense like Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening kind of need to be jammed in sideways here but I guess are like fanfiction equivalent, like someone writing a story about Goku being in the Iliad.

>>9899705
You're surprised a guy who gives up at Zelda 1 because Octoroks are too much for him decided to make a canon Zelda timeline from you being bad at the game?

>>9898061
>"The era of decline"
>The original games
What the fuck, Nintendo?

>>9898115
I love the idea that the cartoon (and thus Captain N) hinges on Link's punctuality. Real go-getter that version.

>>9898517
It's very obvious that Nintendo gives no fucks. The only reason they published a timeline is because the fans wouldn't shut the fuck up about it. They put it out there to placate them but no way in hell are they going to respect it going forward. Which may in fact be the ultimate troll move.

>>9899705
That's because Eiji Aonuma took over the series starting with Wind Waker. Nintendo kept using Miyamoto for PR purposes, so a lot of people don't realize he was barely involved with Wind Waker. (and he tried his damnedest to talk Aonuma into changing the art style, but the guy refused to budge)

>>9898049
Even back when Ocarina of Time came out it was announced that chronologically it took place before the other games.

>>9899756
to be fair, Hyrule in Zelda 1 is a miserable wasteland ransacked by monsters with the very few remaining people hiding inside caves and grottos.

>>9899775
>and he tried his damnedest to talk Aonuma into changing the art style, but the guy refused to budge
Oh it goes worse than that. Aonuma hid Toon Link from Miyamoto until it was too late to go back.

What you're talking about was Miyamoto's infamous arguement with Yuusuke Nakano (Nintendo Artist for Super Metroid, F-Zero, F-Zero X, Zero Mission, Fusion and every Zelda from OoT up until Twilight Princess) as documented in Art and Artifacts. Oracle Link was clearly, if maybe not initially meant to be ALttP/LA Link, an off-shoot design of him. Miyamoto really hated Nakano changed the button nose, and Nakano tried to explain to him how such cartoony noses for a protagonist like Link aren't fashionable anymore, they only work for designs like Mario, or Ishinomori-styled side characters until Miyamoto relented doing "fine! Do what you want!".

It seems Nakano decided after that to meet halfway when he redrew ALttP's art for the GBA port (since ALttP Link is the one Miyamoto is the fondest of), giving Link a cartoony button nose, but not quite as exagerated as the original was.

>>9899775
You have to have some balls to tell Miyamoto no. Not because he'd be a bitch over it, that doesn't seem like his style, but just because if he of all people thinks something is a bad idea then you probably really want to be sure if you're going to do it anyway.

>>9899779
Which at the time was confusing as shit to people because of ALTTP. There was a vague connection that OoT was the backstory of the seven sages from ALTTP but it didn't totally jive and now you have multiple Links running around. People accepted it but it was weird at the time.

>>9899792
Fair. Assuming Zelda 1's map is the little inset in Zelda 2's Hyrule, the total world comes off like there is zero exploration. People are just staying as close to whatever civilization exists and Link is a madman for venturing into uncharted territory, coming across ruins of temples from time immemorial that have no explanation.

>>9899813
I believe that's been basically stated even by Nintendo themselves (via Nintendo Power and I think the Zelda 2 manual) since the 80s, it's not hard to imagine after Ganon's attack, people ventured above and beyond Death Mountain to resettle and the southern Hyrule we explore in Zelda 1 beneath Death Mountain used to be completely different before, and scale-wise it does mean people moved and resettled REALLY far away.

It makes me feel like they hired interns to write Hyrule historia. Its a really dumb way to shoehorn the 2d games back in without admitting that Wind Waker retconned them out of plot existence.

>>9898765
How about the ten minute long OoT recap at the start of WW? It's pretty fucking explicit and occurs as soon as you fucking start the game.

>>9899803
AoL established multiple Zeldas (seriously, that game introduced so much shit to the lore people take for granted), and LttP multiple Links.

>>9898046
The """official""" timeline is dogshit and my headcanon is better. That's what I think.

>>9900225
Post it

>>9898276
>>9899282
>>9899537
I won't be satisfied until I get my Frogger multiverse timeline confirmed.

>>9898061
the cross shield looks better and fuck any jew that thinks differently

>>9898332
He's not, The Hero of Time is *historical* figure in The Wind Waker. There are some characters that are old enough to have seen him with their own eyes, like the Great Deku Tree who was the Deku Sprout in OoT.

>>9898046
surely there had to be a better way to incorporate the original games/ALTTP than by having link/zelda die. I'm ok with the idea of 3 timelines but not if one of the outcomes is link dying, because I mean that can happen in any game, why is OOT different? There's no logic there. I hope we get a game one day that sort of gives us a better explanation than what Hyrule Historia does.

>>9899970
You can shove that up there too.

>Timeline
You mean that tranny shit that makes the lore exposition cutscenes so long I end up skipping all of them?
Zelda stopped having good stories after MM.

>>9898046
How?
Also those two plus OoT are all a Zelda fan needs.

>>9900006
Zelda 2 has a different Zelda?? Isn't it the same Link though?

>>9900957
Not them, nut Nintendo has long held that Zelda II takes place last in the timeline and that yes, they're different, but the manual for Zelda II makes it seem like they are the same, so who knows and who cares?

>>9898061
Is that saying that if Link is successful in OoT, there's two timelines anyway? So one that leads to Majora's Mask;et al, and one that leads to Wind Waker;et al?

>>9900968
Yes. Every time you time travel backwards, you split a timeline as to prevent a paradox. At the end of OoT, Zelda sent Link back to before they met, so now from adult zelda's perspective, Ganondorf is defeated, and Link is now gone forever.

Then, the same Link, now as a child in a new timeline, travels to Hyrule castle like normal, and warns Zelda about Ganondorf's plan and what happens if he unsealed the temple of time.

The "failed" timeline is simply any point in the story where Link went back in time on his own (like the beginning of the Shadow Temple where young Link is required to progress)

>>9900979
>Then, the same Link, now as a child in a new timeline, travels to Hyrule castle like normal, and warns Zelda about Ganondorf's plan and what happens if he unsealed the temple of time.
So if they seal him at the end of OoT, that happens? Thanks for your patience in explaining.

>>9898046

I always considered each Zelda game its own stand-alone story; completely separate from, but loosely affiliated with, every other game. Continuity has never been an issue for me, and never will be.

>>9901123
Yes. They seal Ganondorf, then Zelda takes pity on Link for losing 7 years of his life and sends him back in time. The very last scene of the game is child Link meeting Zelda for the first time and warning her about the shit that happened in the future. Then Majora's Mask happens.

>>9900568
At the end of Wind Waker, they all sail away in search of a new land to call Hyrule. My theory is the original intent was that the LTTP "Hyrule" was the new kingdom they found. But then Spirit Tracks happened and they realized it didn't make sense anymore and needed to come up with an excuse for why there were two conflicting games that both followed the adult timeline in OOT.

>>9900957
It's the same Link as Zelda 1, but the princess that you rescue from a sleep spell is several generations old.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/pdf/CLV-P-NAASE.pdf
It's also where they started the "Triforce on the back of the hand" trope and there being three pieces instead of just two.

>>9901210
It seems really weird that they did that because there was no reason to. It'd be much simpler to have the same Zelda from the first game fall under a spell. It's not like they had written themselves into a corner. It was the second game.

>>9901176
Still interesting to think about all these years later how Adult Links adventures actually never happen. The Hyrule in the future the we the audience knows every inch of actually never came to be.

>>9898046
Feels like any sort of timeline after Miyamoto stopped directing the series is complete bullshit.

>>9901279
After the first game?

>>9901186
Makes sense to me. .
Though, it's my headcanon that link at the end of Majoras Mask lived long enough to Marry Malon, hence why TP link is a farm boy. We know Link at least makes it to adulthood, because the Hero's Shade has the physice for it, and Hero's Shade was confirmed to be OoT Link

>>9901256
Adult link's adventure still happened, and that universe still exists. Link just doesn't exist in it anymore

The timeline was retarded and obvious that Nintendo didn't give a shit about it and only did it to silence the autists that wouldn't stop fucking bothering them about it and shitting up their games with correct "lore". Made even more obvious when BOTW came out and confused everyone even more. The whole "LINK DIES BUT AT THE SAME TIME DOESNT AND WINS OOT!" shit was what gave it away. It was pretty funny seeing autists spin that into thinking that Nintendo was implementing Schrödinger's cat into a franchise aimed at kids though.

It's more their place in the timeline despite them being the first games that I find odd more than them being from the failure timeline.

I know, I know. There is no way this timeline or 99% of the lore was planned back then, and likely they never expected Zelda to be more than one or two games, much less one of their biggest franchises that has lasted over 35 years. But to think that the most archaic and oldest game in the series, and the other that was such a radial departure and still rather archaic took place the latest in the timeline. Especially when nothing really special happened in the games compared to the story of later ones, as well as even the setting being the most generic and technology-less basic fantasy medieval settings while basic technology and now even super-advanced ancient technology just feels odd. Mostly, it felt odd that every game that came out after took place centuries to millennia before them, and it wasn't until BotW that games that finally took place after them in the timeline happened.

(Also, it's more that it kind of sucks that my favorite Zelda game is the one that takes place first in the failure timeline than it being a timeline where the OOT Link died. (Also I feel it lame how the OOT Link was implied to have just ended up as a normal soldier in Twilight Princess))

>>9901564
>LINK DIES BUT AT THE SAME TIME DOESNT AND WINS OOT
Thats not how the failed timeline works, retard. The "failed" timeline is any abandoned timeline where Link voluntarily goes back in time, like at the start of the Shadow temple.

That's what happens when you travel backwards. You abandon the timeline you're in forever.

>>9901661
I've heard it explained as just link's consciousness going back in time so it doesn't split timelines every single time. I guess he then remembers where his items were or whatever.

>>9901661
Weird how Nintendo doesn't say that but literally says "the Hero is defeated" instead of "the Hero is mildly inconvenienced for a brief moment."

>>9901661
so what's the deal with the song of storms then?

>>9901671
What's the functional difference? The hero was taken care of in a way that renders him non-existent.


>>9901679
Plothole

Majora's Mask also follows the complete opposite timetravel theory. So much so that it even contradicts the rules established in OoT's ending. It's annoying as fuck

I feel like the best way to organize the series probably isn't one connected timeline, but instead a couple separate continuities, based on games which are similar thematically or feature the same Link going on multiple adventures, with OoT being the only title involved in more than one due to the time travel. That way, things that don't necessarily add up would no longer directly contradict each other. Games that were the start of the timeline at one point (ALTTP, OoT, MC) would still be the beginning of their own timelines, and you don't have to try to cobble together some sort of cohesive multiverse out of Hyrule vs Sacred Realm/Dark World vs Twilight Realm vs Lorule vs Termina vs World of the Ocean King, etc etc.

>OoT (kid Link's time) < MM < TP
Ganondorf is prevented from taking over Hyrule
>OoT (future) < WW < PH < ST
Ganondorf took over for 7 years but was defeated by Link; Zelda sends Link back to live his childhood and the land is left without a hero when Ganon eventually escapes his seal
>MC < FS < FSA
Ganon is a desert nomad exiled by the rest of the Gerudo; only branch where Nintendo officially acknowledges he's not chronologically the same man from OoT
>ALTTP < Oracles < LA < ALBW < TFH < Z1 < Z2
Ganon, the leader of a band of thieves, accidentally found a way into the Sacred Realm and used the Triforce, but his new army of transformed Hylians was defeated by the Knights of Hyrule and he was sealed within the corrupted Sacred Realm by the Seven Wise Men
>SS < bits and pieces taken from every other game in the series, LoZ's Greatest Hits < BotW < TotK
-Hylia exists, a 4th main goddess directly responsible over Hyrule and its people
-every Zelda has divine blood and is directly descended from SS Zelda, who was a mortal reincarnation of Hylia
-Ganon is the manifestation of Demise's curse
-every Link is a vessel for the Spirit of the Hero
-the Master Sword houses a sapient spirit within it, who can still communicate with some people

>>9901795
That's the best I figure it can be narrowed down to. Some people will look at that and say it's more convoluted and complicated than just having one timeline, but I think it's less of a headache trying to make new entries fit when they're only among like 3 or 4 other games, as opposed to like 20. It would help from a metacontextual standpoint to only need to keep track of the events of immediate prequels/sequels.

All the shit listed under SS and BotW was first mentioned either in SS itself or by Hyrule Historia. Some of it might not necessarily contradict the earlier titles, but imo it's unfitting to retroactively apply that lore to the plots of games which were never specifically meant to take it into consideration. I still think Hylia is a convoluted and unnecessary addition to the mythos; there was a perfectly satisfactory creation story with the three goddesses, three Triforce pieces representing them, and three mortals who would embody their attributes. Link and Zelda already each had a goddess acting as their patron.

I put Oracles after ALTTP and before LA, which is where it's officially placed, but a lot of people have pointed out how this is more just the easiest place to put it, rather than it making much sense to do so; Oracles Zelda looks completely different from the one in ALTTP, and seemingly hasn't met Link before, inplying that Oracles is disconnected from ALTTP, unless the Zelda of that game stepped down and had another take her place, a long-lost sister or something.

Personally, I would also probably put the NES games in their own branch. They're very different in tone and aesthetic from ALTTP and its ilk, more inspired by western stuff like D&D/Tolkien, and I really just don't like to imagine that the relatively happy world of ALTTP/the GB games/ALBW culminates in Hyrule becoming a desolate wasteland, but I guess the same could be said for OoT's world eventually getting wiped out by a biblical flood.

Three timelines:
Child timeline
Adult timeline
Toon timeline (all games in Toon style go here)

>>9900351
Think of the deep lore.

>>9901210
>>9901224
>the princess that you rescue from a sleep spell is several generations old.
You can basically tell that they realized they wanted to continue with the Legend of Zelda series instead of the original name Hyrule Fantasy and that if they told different stories (since Ganon was already dead after the first game) that they needed a reason to call the princess Zelda again. So they came up with this origin as to why every princess is named Zelda. And it was a great origin but they had to fuck it up by making a game that explained the origin of zelda just how they fucked up the origin of Link's Cap or the origin of Link's outfit. The Zelda lore could actually be cool since they plan some things ahead only to retcon them for no fucking reason.

I like that the "timeline" was just cobbled together so Nintendo could say "HERE, NOW SHUT UP" to the lore autists.
They never had a plan for how, or why, the games were connected beyond character names. There is no timeline.
They are self-referential in a way that contradicts the official timeline at every turn.
Some series need a cohesive lore. Zelda is not one of them.

>>9898061
"zelda timeline" is how the Nintendo corporation strings along literal autistic retards

>>9902343
>Some series need a cohesive lore. Zelda is not one of them.

Zelda would benefit from cohesive lore more than most games, which is why people care in the first place.

>>9898061
>two out of three Malons are destined to not be Link-bred and presumably die alone and unloved with dusty vaginas

>>9901798
For the Oracle debate, there's also the matter of how the final boss in LA is specifically using the forms of Agahnim and Ganon from ALttP. The Ganon form is a bit of a stretch since it fights differently from the Oracle version, but Oracle Link never actually fought anybody like Agahnim.

I think it's better to say that Oracles is its own self-contained story with no place in any actual timeline, on the same level of Triforce Heroes.

>>9899590
Now this is loretism I can get behind.

>>9902331
The first game's title isn't the Hyrule Fantasy you dumb faggot.

>>9901795
>-every Zelda has divine blood and is directly descended from SS Zelda, who was a mortal reincarnation of Hylia
It's not just the Royal Family - EVERY Hylian (the SS humans aren't true Hylians) is descended from Hylia's/Zelda's population-inducing sexcapades. There's a reason why she's represented by the vision of a pregant woman in BotW, and that's because she was a divine-ordained seed-vessel for 99.9% of her surface-settling life and probably gave constant birth to decuplets.
>-every Link is a vessel for the Spirit of the Hero
Sort of. Depends on if the "Spirit of the Hero" is a singular thing or more some vague essence, because TWW Link and TP Link bend the rules.

>>9899590

>>9898061
>Zelda timleine
Aka how to scam retards into thinking they are not rehashing the same fucking story over and over again.

>>9901661
That's up to interpretation, isn't it? I always thought Link was just hopping from the past to the future unless it's a plot-critical moment.

>>9901661
>>9901671
>>9903145
Hi, I see there's still people alive right now who are going off of the timeline overview and not the more in-depth summaries. Here you go, no don't thank me.
>>9903062
I love how every "LEGEND of Zelda" mouthbreather can't also admit that like 90% of other 1st-party Nintendo franchises regurgitate the same stories/themes to even more extreme degrees.

>>9903197
Yeah, well I still don't like that the first timeline randomly splits at Ganondorf rather than Ganon.

>>9901661
>>9903197
I hate how one dumbass YouTuber made up an utter bullshit theory when Hyrule Historia still wasn't fully translated yet and there are morons running around who still think it's true a fucking decade later.

>>9901798
>I put Oracles after ALTTP and before LA, which is where it's officially placed, but a lot of people have pointed out how this is more just the easiest place to put it, rather than it making much sense to do so;
Nintendo flip-flopped on the Oracles placement, though I prefer them being between ALttP & LA like they were initially placed. They feel like alternate LA prequels, and somewhere post-ALttP still makes more sense overall due to the location of the Triforce. I would personally have put Oracles further down the timeline, like pre- or post-NES, but ALBW ruined that forever due to the Maple cameo.
The other bad placement is Four Swords Adventures, which I feel was just put it where it is solely to put another game in that timeline, but it's braindead-obviously a direct sequel to Four Swords.
Honestly the problem I have with the timeline is it's too rigid, they tried to keep ALttP as OoT's predecessor when FSA really should have been the new prelude to the Imprisoning War.

>>9902970
>Oracle Link never actually fought anybody like Agahnim.
Feel free to blame Zelda "we weren't diligent enough before Dark Horse cliff-notes'd us like they did with Mario Wiki so um uh it's easier for us to just say it's noncanon lol" Wiki for leading you astray.

>>9902970
>self-contained story with no place in any actual timeline, on the same level of Triforce Heroes
Isn't TFH Link supposed to be the same one from ALBW? Or did they change their mind on that?

>>9903805
Initially conceived as ALBW Link, then they said prerelease they weren't sure (due to design change), then around release they renegged and said it's ALBW Link after all even though there's zero indication in the final game.

>>9903713
Nah. Still not buying it, especially since this is from a shitty third-party guide which is always notorious for making shit up. Seems like as far as the official Nintendo guide is concerned, the boss is nameless.

>>9903853
Where the fuck is Hytopia, then?

>>9903862
>Nah. Still not buying it, especially since this is from a shitty third-party guide which is always notorious for making shit up.
It's literally in all the other official English guides. You might as well say that many of the enemies are nameless just because the Nintendo Power one describes most generically as it happens to lack a bestiary.
>Seems like as far as the official Nintendo guide is concerned, the boss is nameless.
And Lynels are canines instead of felines according to that very same Nintendo Power guide, but I don't think anyone in the right mind would buy that.

>>9898061
>>9898115
Yes I'm sure that is all exactly what all the creators of the zelda series had in mind and they weren't just making it up as they went along that was all retconned together in a way that makes theoretical sense by autists working in groups online poring over it all for hundreds of hours afterwards.

>>9898061
>>9898115
Yes I'm sure that is all exactly what all the creators of the zelda series had in mind over several decades of stories and they weren't just making it all up as they went along in a way vaguely similar how the other children fairytale zelda stories for small children that was all retconned together in a way that makes some sort of theoretical sense by autistic adults working in teams online poring over it all for hundreds of hours afterwards and having to start a lot of it again from scratch each zelda.

>>9904023
Improvisation is core to storytelling and your rambling was a good attempt

>>9900409
The Mirror Shield looks bettet than any cross shit

>>9904194
>cross shield
>crescent moon and star shield
What, no star of david shield? oy gavult

>>9903862
It's still discount Agahnim (or possibly the actual Agahnim, depending on how you interpret the "alter ego" bit).

>>9898061
>OoT Link is the only Link who was defeated
Sounds like that faggot got what he deserved for tarnishing this series.
Fucking twink faggot.

This is how the 3 timelines work, you daft cunts.

This is how the 3 timelines work, you daft cunts

>>9898046
Zelda games don’t have a story. Go to dungeon, get thing, repeat 8ish times, go kill Ganon. This is why the last two ones have sucked.

>>9905526
>every time you travel back in time, you create a doomed timeline

Grim.

>>9905526
Fanfiction.

>>9905610
Is this what it says in the Japanese edition?
Because Jesus christ, the answer was RIGHT THERE. There doesn't need to be a hypothetical timeline. It can absolutely exist using the particular time travel rules I posted. This sucks, and you kinda soiled my morning.

>>9905453
OoT Link is probably the least twinkish out of any grown up Link

>>9905453
where did adult link touch you?

>>9898046
Can't say I've ever given a fuck about Zelda's chronology

>>9901661
>"Ganondorf the thief obtained the Triforce of Power and managed to get his hands on Princess Zelda. The Hero of Time, Link, challenged him in a battle that would determine Hyrule's very existence, and lost."
Sounds like he's died to give birth to ALTTP retard

>>9905757
More or less.
https://glitterberri.com/page-90/
https://glitterberri.com/page-91/
https://glitterberri.com/page-92/
and the time-travel theory is better than the 'what-if' explanation since that really opens a whole can of worms but what can ya do, maybe they were accounting for glitchruns or didn't want to address a similar scenario in Skyward Sword or something I dunno.

>>9903197
>"LEGEND of Zelda"
Honestly, they should've stuck to the Hyrule Fantasy title instead of insisting on repeating this same song and dance every time.

>>9906128
I imagine we'd get some form of "look it says FANTASY in the title" instead.
I prefer Death Mountain myself.

>>9906264
Desu means death now?

>>9906409
No, it means "dis," as in "dat's what dis is" or "I'm dissin' you."

Grumble grumble

>hmm now can I get drooling autistic children to keep buying the exact same game time and time again... I GOT IT!
>Introducing: THE ZELDA TIMELINE

>>9903197
The game lost me when it renamed Ganon "Ganondorf". The fuck was up with that. Rherotical question, don't bother responding you fucking millennial n64 NERDS.
Not my Ganon, not my Zelda.

>>9903713
>MUH CANON MUH CANON
You're literally a retarded turdbaby if you give a shit about any of that.

>>9907160
ackshually, technically the name ganondorf was introduced in lttp.

>>9906264
Trivia: the mountain range in LttP's Light World is the Hebra Mountain. It's only Death Mountain in the English localization.

>>9907207
The strange thing is the map lists it as Death Mountain in parenthesis as an alternative, so they never fully committed to it. And according to the proto overdump, they were going to mention the Hebra name in OoT too (and Waterfall of Wishing = Sleepless Waterfall), but it got totally dropped. I think the only other time it came back is in JP ALBW.

>>9908842
I wonder if they were basing the name difference on the grounds that ALTTP is a prequel. They might be acknowledging that it's the same Death Mountain from the original game but it isn't called that yet because Ganon hasn't taken it over.

>>9898046
it's a great way to retire games that haven't aged well, just alter the timeline of events and retcon them.

>>9898046
Don't care, new adventure.

>>9908921
interesting

>>9908921
>They might be acknowledging that it's the same Death Mountain from the original game but it isn't called that yet because Ganon hasn't taken it over.
This is my head-canon now and it'll further enhance my Zelda II playthroughs.

>>9908972
The NES zeldas have aged pretty well I think. Zelda II is a bit rough, but still great.

>>9909007
Zelda I feels empty compared to II because of the towns with their soulful music and odd citizens. Not saying LoZ isn't the classic that it is, but its depth stops with its gameplay.

>>9909023
True. Zelda II feels like an actual world. It feels like you're saving like, 3 people in LoZ.

>>9907162
Anon wasn't being a canonfag, anon.

>>9898046
Makes me feel like the 'timeline' is complete nonsense they were making up as an afterthought and at any rate isn't supposed to be taken literally

>>9909031
So it's great that 2 adds context to 1 by showing that there are all these towns north of the LoZ1 map.

I'm just not sure why they felt the need to try and connect them at all beyond the obvious ones.

>>9898061
Asides from the Vaati games awkwardly shoved into this, the timeline makes sense. Ocarina was originally intended as a prequel to LttP, and Wind Waker/Majora were sequels to the different timelines of that game also. I don't know what the deal is with people acting like Nintendo didn't think about this at all. Yeah, they don't really give a fuck, but most of this stuff was fairly clear on the release of these games. Doesn't matter now anyway since BotW hit the reset button on this convoluted mess. Treating all the old games as vaguely connected ancient legends was a good call.

>>9909971
>the timeline makes sense
Agreed. Also, politics are fair, crime is low, taxes are barely existent and I am Morgan Fairchild.

>>9910613
Don't forget that racism doesnt exist and slavery is OK

>>9910632
What are those words? I like Mario Bros. (1983) better than Super these days.

>>9898308
Best underrated post^

>>9898046
>How does this make you feel?
I would thoroughly enjoy watching link and mario die in silent hill themed snuff core porn because they both suck

>>9910613
The timeline is stupid, but it does make (enough) sense. The biggest problem with it is how LttP ended up being contradictory with both WW and TP, so they had to make up a BS third 'defeated' timeline. I wonder how long it'll take them to fuck it up again after BotW.

>>9910613
>>9913360
The 3D games in general were never especially concerned with fitting alongside the 2D installments, at best there was a half-assed claim that OoT was supposed to represent the Imprisoning War from ALTTP's backstory. That said, discounting revisionism on which game took place at the beginning, the timeline was consistent until the mid-'00s and there were titles like Four Swords and Wind Waker and Twilight Princess coming out, disparate games going in very different directions, and it's clear that they stopped caring about a cohesive timeline if it got in the way of telling a new story. Hyrule Historia itself includes a disclaimer that the official timeline is subject to change and can be invalidated by future games.

With an unlimited number of rebirths and worlds that Link, Zelda, and Ganon/Ganondorf/whoever can be born into there really is no timeline. It's all made up to appease idiots that think there has to be an order. They can be in any order and never contradict each other because it could be millions of iterations between each.

Such a stupid debate that just never stops despite how obvious it is that there's never been a real plan to have every game agree perfectly with every other.

>>9913431
The real ending was the friends we hated along the way.

>>9898061
The timeline has been a convoluted mess for decades and its amazing to me they still havent let it go. Its been retconned and unretconned more times than anything else ive ever seen. I'm sure when they finally work the Switch titles into the timeline their placement will be equally as retarded. Maybe we'll get a 4th OoT timesplit where instead of fighting ganon instead impales Zelda on his cock birthing the ganon we see in those games and ending the world somehow.

>>9898046
fuck timelinefags, toon link is not canon and only oot and mm have any relation to each other

>>9915679
this. Oot and majoras mask is clearly in the same world with the same link. All the other crap is CRAP. I have the original nintendo games. They are GARBAGE.

>>9915679
cope and seethe

>>9915679
toon link is canon. ww is the same world as oot, the opening literally mentions the hero of time, also phantom hourglass is a continuation of ww. spirit tracks looks like the same flooded world but different link.

>>9898061
>>9898115
I miss the old lore.

Link to the Past -> NES Zelda's -> N64 Zelda's -> Wind Waker.

>>9916005
Just make that your head canon. Do you really think the guy who unironically tried to sell you Wii Music has an ounce of artistic integrity?

>>9916005
Wind Waker didn't care about the old lore, though.

>>9899590
I like the idea that Mario just holds countless games and contests.

>>9916005
>NES Zelda's -> N64 Zelda's
What in the god damn fuck?

>>9898061
I just play each game as independent stories from one another. Except Zelda 2 which is obviously direct sequel to the original

>>9915679
> and only oot and mm have any relation to each other

Next time: first play the first two games in a series before thinking you can make claims about the series

>>9898061
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>>9903048

>>9898046
Apathetic because my headcanon doesn't include any 3d Zelda.

>>9899590
Imagine if someone made a Super Smash Bros timeline...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aHCbp5LTgbU

>>9917236
Doesn't Smash 64's intro imply Master Hand is some random kid smashing his action figures together? Then somewhere around Brawl he's diagnosed with Parkinson's disease.

I only care about the NES and SNES Zelda games

The timeline makes the Zelda games more interesting.

>>9917272
Yep. Later games hint at it a few times too, although they're never as explicit as Smash 64 about it.

>>9916052
I stopped playing zeldas on WW, so I don't care about it.

>>9898061
Flimsy justification for Nintendo to keep making the same game for 30+ years.

>>9898061
People forget that it was purely western fans that came up with this shit in the 00s and memed it so fucking hard that Nintendo actually adopted it to appease the "fans".
Its like as if spergs on TVTropes actually got their fanfics canonized.
Its all so fucking stupid and only really works if you inject a bunch of head cannon shit.

>>9917272
Yes.
Smash Bros is literally just a kid having fun with his figures in his bedroom.
Its such a great premises its a shame they've mostly all but ignored it from Brawl and on.

>>9916005
let's be honest, the NES zeldas are completely irrelevant to all the other games. They should've made NES link the original link instead of fucking skyward sword link.

zelda 2 is the best OST in the series

>>9898046
When it comes to Zelda, I don't care about continuity.

>>9906461
The scene is death mountain. Dismountain right here. This anon is correct.

>>9907207
>>9908921
Then "Death Mountain" in ALttP could be the mountain in the Dark World, right? It's where Ganon's Tower is located after all.

>>9917638
The box of LttP sets it up as a prequel to the first two games, there was a non-linear timeline since the 3rd game

>>9901154
That's kind of what they are, autists just can't wrap their heads around a story being its own thing.

>>9918754
How does ALttP being a prequel make the timeline non-linear?
--- ALttP --- TLoZ --- TAoL --->
What's non-linear about this?

>>9898061
>people still refer to this timeline
I prefer the fan one

>>9920821
I remember a crazy "all Links are the same Link" one that has OoT Link getting lost in Termina until Wind Waker and then somehow becomes Link in ALttP and the NES games too.

>>9920829
I believe that got traction because in the early 2000s Nintendo's own website tried to pretend every Link was the same Link.

>>9920839
Oh that's right, it was the official NoA site. I remember hating that.

>everyone fighting Ganon JUST HAPPENS, by coincidence, to be called Link
This is why I can't take the timeline seriously.

>>9920845
It's the multiple Impas, Malons, and Tingles that got to me. Most of them are in the Capcom games, though.

>>9920850
That's because Capcom just don't give a fuck and presumably just saw the other games reusing character in certain way and then deciding that they're going to do that too, only in more blatantly unimaginative ways.

Zelda was originally intended by Miyamoto to be a "star system" like with Mario (until Aonuma fucked with it). Where the they used the characters as a group of actors in different and unconnected settings (Like how Osamu Tezuka reused his characters in different stories that clearly didn't happen in the same universe), which explains things like the Zelda of the first game not appearing on Zelda 2, because on that version she plays the role of sleeping Zelda.

>>9918891
Linear release wise probably

>>9898215
Spotted the Malstrom fan. He convinced me too.

>>9898046
Those games have no relation with one another.

>>9913386
>at best there was a half-assed claim that OoT was supposed to represent the Imprisoning War from ALTTP's backstory
Was there? Wasn't OoT was always intended to take place before the imprisoning war.

There are multiple reasons why OoT simply can't represent the imprisoning war. For example, the sacred realm was already turned into the dark world by Ganon before the events of the imprisoning war. Also, in ALttP's prologue, the seven sages are depicted as hylians/humans. The seven maidens (who are their descendants) are hylians as well.

It almost seems like OoT was originally intended as a reboot of the series.

>>9920845
That's why you always name your character something different :)

>>9921549
Anon.. they are all reboots of the series. None of the games are related. There is no intent.

>>9921551
WW explicitly references the Hero of Time. There are plenty of intentional relations.
The only thing that doesn't make sense is when you try to assemble it all into one big picture.

>>9921557
They are all Zelda games. Of course there is going to be some thematic similarities.

>>9921560
That's not a thematic similarity, that's the backstory of one game being the plot of another.

>>9921551
Refusing to acknowledge the connections between games is just as retarded as timeline autists trying to connect them all.

>>9921551
Some of them definitely are related though.
The first four games definitely take place in the same timeline.
OoT and MM take place in the same timeline.
OoS and OoA obviously take place in the same timeline.
TWW and TP reference the events of OoT.
TMC is a prequel to FS.

All the games might not be in a single timeline, but it's very obvious that at least some of the them are related.

My pet timeline autism theory is that MM creates a timeline split depending on whether Link saves Termina and returns to Hyrule or not.

>>9921510
He's not saying anything that anyone can't already see, but he was the most vocal about the emperor wearing no clothes.

>>9898053
The AI running Nintendo said westoids need timelines with every game connecting. The bugs don't comprehend time (no internal monologue) but they throw together pure bullshit artbooks like Hyrule Historia to milk the gaijin paypigs

>>9921549
>There are multiple reasons why OoT simply can't represent the imprisoning war. For example, the sacred realm was already turned into the dark world by Ganon before the events of the imprisoning war.

Rauru tells you that the Sacred Realm has already been corrupted and only the Temple of Light remains protected when you arrive in the future. This isn't a contradiction.

>Also, in ALttP's prologue, the seven sages are depicted as hylians/humans. The seven maidens (who are their descendants) are hylians as well.

This is a much bigger inconsistency, but it seems like the sort of setting development / shift that's common in video games. Sort of like Kraid and Ridley's different forms in Super Metroid.

>>9921848
I kinda love how they handled Kraid in Super Metroid.
>fake kraid is still tiny and dies in like two hits
>real kraid fills a room

>>9921848
The original ALttP SNES manual also contradicts OoT in a few places. Of course, it's debatable whether the manuals are canon. Nintendo definitely retconned this manual at least once:

Manual:
>Suspecting that Ganon's power was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil's bane, or the Master Sword.

This suggests that the Master Sword was forged during the Imprisoning War, which means that the war had to take place before OoT, which doesn't make any sense.
Personally, I like to think that the manual is canon, which is why my headcanon is that ALttP and OoT take place in different timelines.

>>9921920
It's not really so much a retcon as folklore really isn't meant to be taken as 100% accurate history.

This is why skyward sword and the Hyrule historia is bs.

Zelda should be separated into sagas instead, where only the games that are directly linked and have a similar theme and atmosphere have continuity. Ex:

Minish Cap, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures

OOT, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess

Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks

Zelda 1, and 2

Alttp and ALBW

Link's Awakening and Oracle Games (could also be grouped in with 1 and 2)

BOTW, TOTK

See? No theory bs and its common sense

>>9922484
That's pretty good, but in the manuals LA is supposed to follow from ALttP and OoT is clearly supposed to be the prequel to ALttP since it deals with Ganondorf getting the Triforce, the Sacred Realm being corrupted, and the Seven Sages sealing away Ganon at the end. Also Wind Waker was designed as a sequel to OoT.

Really, they just botched it with the ALttP-OoT-WW-TP muddle. They do seem to have dropped any pretense at making things fit with past games with BOTW and TOTK, which don't even feature the Triforce and make sense much more as a separate continuity.

>>9898046
>Nintendo
>given a shit about the timeline
TotK reconned OoT

>>9922484
I would disagree with these things:

1. ALttP is definitely in the same timeline as Zelda 1 & 2, since it's a prequel to them.

2. LA is in the same timeline as ALttP, since it features the same Link, as suggested by LA's manual.

3. I don't see how LA is related to the Oracle games in terms of story. I'll admit, I haven't played the Oracle games yet, but from what I know of them, they seem more related to OoT than anything.

>>9922504
Haven't played TotK yet. What does it retcon?

>>9922525
Oracle begins with Link being teleported away from Hyrule by the triforce. It ends with Link on a boat sailing home. People traditionally slotted the game between aLttP and LA because of that.

>>9922525
>3. I don't see how LA is related to the Oracle games in terms of story.

They start with Link going on a special mission and end with him getting on a boat to go home which looks just like the boat in LA. However, they also have Link and Zelda not having met before which doesn't fit with Link being from ALttP (unless wishing on the Triforce undid their meeting, since it also brought Link's uncle back to life).

>>9922527
Haven't played it either but from what I've gathered Ganon/Ganondorf's origin is incompatible with OoT.

>>9922556
they already fucked with ganon's origin in ss

>>9922534
>>9922539
Oh, sorry, didn't know about that.

>>9921550
huh, then explain why you can't rename the princesses who are all zelda

>>9922484
That's really not THAT different than what we currently have. Except 1/2 and LTTP are connected, the Capcom games are randomly spread around (I honestly just consider them semi-canon and ignore them), and OOT is treated as a universal historical event for most of the stories.

>>9898061
Judging by the items from DLC in BotW I assumed it all happened in one timeline.

>>9898403
They were right

Look at old Snake and the Wii having a Gamecube built in.

Now if the Resident Evil REmake gets ANOTHER remake like RE2&3, then memes truly do come true

>>9898156
actually the Zelda 1 map was just one small corner of Greater Hyrule

>>9898073
>makes shit thread
>immediately gets called a fag and a retard
>this is fun

>>9899320
is that slop what zoomers consider a “good game”?

>>9899576
git gud scrub

>>9923302
I think this is neato.

>>9899792
Was that the actual intention at the time or just a skill issue on the part of the programmers?

>>9923345
It makes sense for the lore of the first game too-- Zelda split and hid the Triforce to keep Ganon from getting it before she was captured, so of course she'd hide it in the most remote corner of Hyrule she could get to.

>>9923347
It seems it was the intention, the manual does say that the kingdom is under a reign of terror by monsters and the few people who can help Link live inside caves.

So much Zelda 2, both the Japanese and US manuals, point at how following Ganon's defeat humans have now settled in villages, where wise men can help Link.

>>9923254
BotW's DLC are retarded. They added all these items just for fan service reasons. I don't think these DLC are canon. The same goes for amiibo items too.

>>9923302
Wow, that's pretty cool, didn't know about that. They are not 100% the same, but they look similar enough to a point that it was probably intentional.

>>9898061
That's great and all, but where does Valley of the Flood fit into all of this?

>>9923302
Also, i've just discovered that there was a Zelda comic series based on Zelda 1 & 2.
It included this map, which combines the maps from Zelda 1 & 2 in a different way.

>>9898062
caring about continuity in a series where continuity counts for something is fine
the issue is that continuity in Zelda means absolutely nothing within the games themselves, its only value is as a thought exercise for the kind of people who try to hammer jigsaw puzzle pieces together if they don't fit

>>9898061
Link either living or dying can't be a possible timeline split. That's not how timeline splits work. It's contrived writing that can't even explain itself. Reaching the level of literal multiverse soigape tripe.

>>9924604
howso? Link isn't just a single person in time in this framework it's like a role or archetype that's reincarnated. If he failed "Hero is Defeated" then that timeline occurs, if he is successful then the other ones occur.TV0PY

>>9901176
lmao emulators still cant make the ending sepia after 25 years

>>9924098
Autistically screeching there is no continuity because Nintendo retconned small details (ie in LttP there were wise men, and in OoT there were sages! Plot hole!) is caring about the continuity too though. The correct amount of not caring is to say the games go in order but not to worry about the details.

>>9926069
>to say the games go in order
epic, now we have to say Zelda (NES) -> alttp -> Oot just because?

>>9925886
Link is a single person in time in this framework.

>>9898046
it's a load of bullshit they made up on the spot because people have kept asking for a timeline for years

>>9898046
Link doesn't die he's just not there

>>9898046
Link dies in every single iteration of the plot though. Not every Link is the same in every game. I don’t understand how this is an issue.

>>9926069
I'm not saying there's no continuity, I'm saying it's irrelevant to anyone except the kind of people who have a panic attack when faced with any kind of ambiguity or inconclusiveness

>>9926069
>ie in LttP there were wise men, and in OoT there were sages! Plot hole!
No, it's a localization thing. The seven sages are the same as the seven wise men and the sacred realm is the same as the golden land. This is also confirmed by the fact that these things got renamed in the GBA port of ALttP.

Also, for some weird reason, Nintendo of America disallowed religious references. Apparently, sanctuary was originally was named "church", and Agahnim was originally not a wizard, but a priest.

>>9899260
because there's references to to other games within them? Legends reference historical events, other legends, tales. It's the only way to think about them and anyone else with this gay timeline bullshit is just a brainlet/autismo that needs it to make it "fit" to make sense. They want to line up the timeline like their peas on plate before they eat them.

>>9927457
no anon it HAS to fit together somehow, otherwise I've wasted years of my life arguing with people on the internet about a chronology which was given so little consideration by the creators that it doesn't even qualify as an afterthought

>>9901661
That makes a lot of sense now but I doubt it's what Nintendo had in mind.

>>9901661
>That's what happens when you travel backwards. You abandon the timeline you're in forever.

But when you come back to the future, all the previous actions you did in the future have still happened.

>>9927824
It's because OoT's time travel is completely fucked.
The only way it could work is if the present and the future are actually separate timelines which would be really stupid.

>>9927853
>The only way it could work is if the present and the future are actually separate timelines which would be really stupid.

They can't be completely separate because of the beans.

>>9898046
>don't open chest in dodongo's as a child
>go back as adult, open it
>go back as child, chest is empty
this game was kind of retarded honestly

>>9927881
Chrono Trigger is more fun.
>don't open chest in the past but power it up with your amulet.
>open it in the future and get the upgraded item
>then go back to the past and get the original item anyway

Causality can eat a dick.

>>9927824
You're not thinking 4th dimensionally, anon... Going backwards and forwards through time doesn't actually undo anything.

>>9899038

Lore is awesome, when it's good and consistent because the creators work together effectively and take the matter seriously, but in Zelda as in many video game franchises, the creators don't really care and casually create conflicting stories in different works. So yeah, lore that crosses multiple games should usually be ignored. If you care about story, you only need to pay attention to story elements within a single Zelda game.