/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9893060
>play game that spawned millions of copycats
>woah its so bland after i played all the copycats
reddit is down the hall

>>9893060
>I just dont get jrpgs
It's the music man

>>9893063
desu the story was clichè even for the time it came out. Infact, it was more common then than in subsequent games (starting with psx rpgs already).

>>9893063
>spawned millions of copycats
Huh? It's generic as hell, what's there to copy.
>inb4 FF6 invented the sci-fi/fantasy mix

>>9893060
For some reason everyone seems to conflate the constant set pieces in this game with being some sort of story. That actual story is garbage but man every 20 minutes has some new crazy action sequence like the raft ride or the SRPG bits or the ugly 3d minecart ride that runs at 5 fps.

>>9893060
This thread needs to die right now. Go play Pokemon faggot.

>>9893060
>he went with FF6 to convince himself JRPGs are good
Big mistake, zoom-zoom

whether or not a JRPG is gonna be fun for you or not is immediately apparent in the first hour or two.
If it's fun, you can't put it down. If it's not, it's a chore.
>b-but it gets good 10 hours in
No. This is a cope from people with bad taste

>>9893060
play iv instead

>>9893158
>For some reason everyone seems to conflate the constant set pieces in this game with being some sort of story. That actual story is garbage but man every 20 minutes has some new crazy action sequence like the raft ride or the SRPG bits or the ugly 3d minecart ride that runs at 5 fps.
lol this. you're constantly thrown into doing something weird and different. its like incredible crisis the jrpg. I think its a fun spin on the genre.

>>9893158
>conflate the constant set pieces in this game with being some sort of story
Isn't that every FF game?

>>9893263
That's most RPGs. You go on a fun adventure to new places with interesting events. OP just doesn't like JRPGs in general.

I'll play 6 one day. It, above any FF, deserves a remake, in the style of Bravely Default.
The fans are about as obnoxious as Chrono Trigger's in terms of how much they laud over it being a "le classic", though that could be me projecting having grown up with 7 - 9 as my first FFs. Having only watched it, 6 has some good narrative trappings for JRPG we don't see too much of these days:
>Attempting to sway political opinion within the Empire
>Celes' attempted suicide
>Kefka's cold, erratic, tyrannical behavior

>>9893060
What other games do zoomers not like?

>>9893063
>play game that spawned millions of copycats
Like?

>>9893274
I like JRPGs but don't care about FFVI. It's okay, nothing special.

Just how many games were there back then where the bad guy won halfway through and completely reshaped the world to suit him? Gonna need a list before I can take OP seriously.

>>9894497
I was just assuming because OP said
>I just dont get jrpgs, they are such hollow experiences, even if the gameplay is barebones there is literally nothing else to get you immersed while playing.

I love FFVI personally. RPGs seem to have more varying opinions than other genres, maybe because more subjective things like story or music matter more for people's opinions.

>>9893060
If you don't like it then stop playing it. I don't get it. Are you expecting us to talk you into liking it or are you expecting to MIND CONTROL SISSY HYPNO the board into thinking it's shit? What's the point?

>>9894528

>>9894494
FF7

Another thread where some guy with clinical depression can't enjoy something and demands the rest of the board share the same opinion so he'll have someone to talk to.

>>9893060
>there is literally nothing to get you immersed while playing
Talking to npcs to figure out what is happening at each new location and piecing together what your goal is, exploring towns caves dungeons and surrounding areas, leveling and outfitting your party...

It's OK to not like popular games, you don't have to force yourself to keep playing it if you're not having fun

>>9893063
fpbp

>>9893060
Starting threads to bitch about games should be banned on this board. Fuck off to /v/ with your negative zoomer shit. Half the goddamn threads are zoomers crying about shit. Do you start evey conversation in real life bitching like a woman? Who the fuck would want to be around you?

>>9893060
Why is "cheesy" dialogue bad? Are you lactose intolerant?

>>9895496
/vr/ has essentially turned into a mildly safer second home of /v/ for Redditors.

>ff6fags fuming
what is wrong with making a negative thread? are you guys wallflowers or something? can't take a critique. I'm not OP btw. I think FF6 is shit. But if he was talking about a game I liked I wouldn't turn into a baby over someone voicing their opinion

>>9895582
>what is wrong with making a negative thread? are you guys wallflowers or something? can't take a critique. I'm not OP btw. I think FF6 is shit. But if he was talking about a game I liked I wouldn't turn into a baby over someone voicing their opinion
imagine not understanding why people are voicing an opposing opinion on the internet. the literal state of zoomlets. why not stay in your tic tak echo chamber of troonitude.

>>9893246
To be fair, you don't get the first Espers until like 10 hours in, and the best part of the game is at the end when everything is open and there are a bunch of side quests to recruit everyone again for the final fight. The start of the game is a chore when I relay it, but once I start getting more party customization I get hooked all over again

>another contrarian demoralization thread

>>9893060
>Justify your preferences to me!
Nah OP, no game is for everyone. If you gave it a fair shot and didn't enjoy it that's fine play what you enjoy. some of us have varied taste and can dip into many genres and series

I played it way after it was released and enjoyed it a lot. But I have a hard time enjoying other FInal Fantasy games, the combat is too repetitive, lacks depth, the stories aren't good enough, shit feels shallow. I tried FF4 or the one with Cecil, was it 5? Either way the thing was just bland as hell and I couldn't stay playing. I also tried FF12 which is quite praised, and I hated Vaan being a non character, the board skill system feeling really barebones and shit, unlock 1 square for wood helm, unlock another square for iron helm, unlock a third for the steel helm, hey fuck you man this is terrible, this is similar to a special needs developer doing his take on stat requirements for gear, then a whole lot of the board are shitty passive buffs, and the side quests are just go back somewhere you've been and kill a monster. I also thought FF7 was kinda angsty long ago, I tried playing 7 after 6 and I don't know, the whole Cloud mumbling about muh past muh amnesia was grating., and the Materia system, much like the Espers system, is not balanced and every character can get everything, it's just a stupid system that promotes grinding and allows you to turn any character into a master of everything

>>9893060
I used to play them a lot as a teenager but desu you're right, a lot of JRPGs are really hollow, especially from the 4th and 5th generations. It was around this time devs realised plenty of people would play just for the graphics, music and plot and didn't even necessarily care about the gameplay, so they casualised it and made it so you could basically just mash your way brainlessly though a lot of encounters on your way to the next cutscene.

I mean the JRPGs before this weren't incredibly deep or complex or anything, but they were often more strict about expecting you to properly manage your resources and didn't shy away from punishing you if you didn't, even if they still expected you to overcome a lot of the difficulty by grinding. The ones that came after this period aren't as punishing but still generally do a better job of requiring more varied strategies. A lot of people view the SNES and PS1 era as a kind of golden age for JRPGs but really it was the dark ages as far as gameplay was concerned.

There's always exceptions of course. I don't think it counts as /vr/, but play Etrian Odyssey if you want to see what traditional JRPG gameplay "should" be IMO.

>>9894528
He didn't win though. He lost at the end after saying he needed to destroy more, and the world started building itself in the ending now that peace has returned. You FFVI fans really overrate the hell out of Kefka's End of Act II victory lol. Most villains win there to set up the climax. By your reasoning, Jafar also won in Aladdin because he was able to rule over Agrabah for a little bit when he threw Aladdin out to the snow to die.

>>9893060
How do you feel about ff7 though. I agree FF6 is overrated but not ff7

>>9893060
JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP. Every God damn day with a variation of this thread.

>>9897114
I find it strange when people like one but not the other. I love both.

>>9896880
I think Final Fantasy VIII is the best example of what you're talking about. Everything in that game is broken, there's no reason to not Enc None through the entire game because of the level scaling. 100 Curagas and 80 Firagas, something you can have before you leave for Timber without grinding or cards (refine tents bought from the shop with the first SEED payment and the magic stones you get from the training zone boss) will make you be able to blast through to the final boss with just Renzokukan with your health in yellow.

I'm staggered looking back at the game and just seeing all the wasted assets, all the wasted spells that have no reason to get cast, all the monsters you have no reason to fight. 90% of the the gameplay is pointless, if a game like Halo or Zelda allowed you to just walk past 90% of the game without punishment, it would be given shit reviews. Yet at the time of its release, Final Fantasy VIII was lauded as amazing.

>>9896904
he reformed the entire world.

Anyway, I never played the game and I don't care

>>9897281
You technically can blast through it like that, but most people on their first playthrough without a guide won't (and didn't)

>>9897393
Right, but your power in the game is logarithmic. You're either a kid that can't get his head around the junction system and is taking 2 hours to beat a boss. Or you've got 100 of whatever junctioned to Str and HP and you're easily winning.

>>9893274
>>9893263
No, in most JRPGs including previous FF titles you-actually engage in the main gameplay during plot downtimes. That game is for people who don't like JRPGs. It fills you with clunky minigames, so that instead of being a JRPG, it's a minigame collecthathon. This attracts all sorts of fags-2deep4u storyfags, "wow random encounters are bad!" designfags, which it does by removing such annoying things those games have like monster encounters, by filling with you random minigames, thus appealing to zoomers with the above mindsets. JRPG elements bad.

>>9895582
Because starting a thread and just saying "It's shit" over and over is retarded. It's annoying when it invests the catalogs of multiple boards across the site. I don't even like FF6, but I hate faggot OPs.

>>9893060
Make a real argument or shut the fuck up.

>>9897656
>starting a thread and just saying "It's shit"
Ok, so you need glasses. Since that's not what the thread creator said

>>9893060
Play T-Edition

>>9897389
And lost in the end

>>9897389
And lost in the end
>Anyway, I never played the game and I don't care
Cared enough to give me a (You) though. Thanks! =)

We really need a containment thread, or hell an entire containment board for the "contrarian opinions"