/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263/#9611406

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9803556/#9803715

=== NEWS ===
[5-5] Quofee 2 released : 132 vanilla Quake speedmaps.
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/quoffee2_final.html

[5-4] Woof! 11.0 released with many new features
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/tag/woof_11.0.0

[5-2] Combined_Arms Gaiden has been updated to version 2.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocXJAHKO4Wo

[5-2] DBP58: Immortal Warfare has released
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yuofyq7afblzuzv/DBP_58.zip

[5-1] DNF Restoration goes open-source
https://gitlab.com/team-restoration/duke4-public

[4-28] Eternity Engine goes Multithreaded (beta)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/135380

[4-25] Duke Nukem 3D mod Legacy Edition 2.0 release on May 19th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOgYz34AvD0

[4-19] What Lies Beneath, 11-maps episode for MBF21 RC1 revealed.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/135165

[4-15] Unreal mod "Steele Dawn" V2 has been released
https://www.unrealsp.org/index.php/articles/reviews/steele-dawn

[4-15] Coincident achieves first ever non-TAS single segment run of Okuplok (ITYTD)
https://youtu.be/4PP6iqrgIM8

[4-12] Re: Mobilize Quake mod announced
https://youtu.be/KZOgpGb6YM0

[4-11] Doomer Boards projects compiled (01-57) (04-11-2023) (With latest fixes to Shatter Realm)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n9j77ptkec5md

[4-10] A 7-map demo of "Of Myth Relinquished" for Heretic is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134628

[4-9] Slayers Testaments for Quake trailer released
https://youtu.be/RkrXeQdQLCs

[4-9] The Quake 2 25th Anniversary Collaborative Unit is here!
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/Quake225ACU.zip

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>>9884134

>>9884124
Some day I will make my dream Total Conversion, where you play as a janitor that cleans and sweep everything. no blood, no gore. It would be called BROOM.

>>9884138
No better time to start than now. I wish I can tell myself that.

>>9884139
I can tell you though:
No better time to start than now, what're you wanting to work on?

Does it bother you if Doom's replacement weapon is hanging from the side and not in the middle? I found a gun sprite that really serves my needs for a chaingun replacement, but unsure about using it.

>>9884138
I played about with a similar idea for a while but it was dealing with gore and stuff, or at least bodies and discarded health bonus bottles and stuff since you'd have been following Doomguy's footsteps, clearing up the mess he left.

>>9884145
I'm not terribly fond of mixing angled and centered sprites. If you're needing a machine gun sprite I might have something here that could help.

>>9884141
I want to make a 5 map wad featuring some maps I wanted to submit for Unrattled, but with extra polish and Doom II monsters. I keep procrastinating on it, and I can't even blame college for it.

>>9884148
Or this, maybe. Of course art style concerns come up too. You could also take a look at the weapons in Separated Arms, they don't have hands on them but I'm sure you've got the big sheet of Doomguy hands, right?

>>9884150
Well if you already have some maps made, then that means it's less than 5 maps for your project! You've already done some of that work, so you may as well push on.
You'll feel pretty good after releasing it too.

>>9884148
Not quite what I'm looking for, and if I was, there's some machinegun sprites that look more powerful.
This doesn't look like it's a buffed chaingun.

>>9884152
I'll take a look to see if anything there works for me.

>>9884139
I've no idea how to do any of this so its gonna take a while. Need to reanimate the mobs into being dust and stains. Need to remove gibs with clean spots. All of that.

>>9884158
So you're looking for a burly chaingun specifically? Stomper's super chaingun might be a good choice, I can't recall if it was Stomper first or Valiant, but I've always loved looking at this thing.

>>9884165
If it comes to that, I might just use this one, for sure.

>>9884143
Kek. I always loved Leonard's face.

>>9884160
>Need to reanimate the mobs into being dust and stains.
My one had shooting "corpses" with a holy water pistol to turn them to dust and then sweeping the dust up with the brush/vacuum.

I never got the blood stuff figured out, I don't think you really can remove the blood once it's on something.

>>9884170
the chaingun in Separated Arms looks like this, I did some kitbashing of a chaingun I found really aesthetically pleasing from Legendoom.

>>9884174
In that case, I'll need to make the blood itself a mob that self destructs into a glimmering set of shining sprites as its corpse. Welp. Time to go learn Assembly and ANSI C.

>>9884145
I'm not a fan, they always look awkward with Doom's weapon bobbing.

>>9884179
That'd work, yeah,

I was mostly doing it in Decorate with a little bit of ACS so there's probably better options now.

>>9884147
So Viscera Cleanup Detail, but Doom. Would be cool. I could see something like that using Hideous Destructor as a base.

what game has the best chaingun/minigun/vulcan?

>>9884124
IMPS GIVE ME GAS!

>>9884207
That was more or less the idea yeah, though I didn't want to deal with picking up parts and chucking them in incinerators or anything.

My sticking point was getting enough dustbins to consistently spawn in the right places since it sometimes fucked up and threw them down a pit or at the far end of maps, so it kinda got shelved.

you owe romero money

>>9884261
He never made me his bitch so I don't owe him anything.

>>9884261
I've bought Doom so many times a Skyrim fan would blush.

>>9884145
Centered tends to look the most normal, but side isn't impossible either. Side is just harder to pull off well. Also they both work better when the entire weapon set is either in the middle or off to the side. Not a mix of both.

>>9884218
Turok 2's firestorm cannon.

>>9883934
Thats the thing, apparently they're not lel.
Speaking of which - I am quite ready for the Amid Evil expansion at this point. At least Ion Fury devs occasionally post updates, I havent seen anything for Amid Evil.

>>9884261
I wont pay them a cent until I see Tom Hall in those credits.

>>9884307
Perfectly fair, Tom got screwed because he argued with Carmack on stuff but it was him that got stuff like flying monsters and teleporters in the game.

DECORATE weapon question: is it possible to make a hitscan 'attack' that picks up the items for player? I need that for...reasons.

>>9884145
It bothers me when a weapon set mixes both centered and side view. Unless there's good reason for that, it tells me that author didn't care much for mod's visual style.

>>9884321
>DECORATE weapon question: is it possible to make a hitscan 'attack' that picks up the items for player? I need that for...reasons.
IDK if doing a loreshot fuckaround would work, in theory it could grab a pickup actor and pull it to you.

>>9884337
>mostly forces ironwail

FUCKING USE IT

>>9884337
>bullshit shotgun engine
Quake?

>>9884337
>somewhere past crispy

we must go HARDER

>>9884358
It's existed for ages, it's called Marshmallow.

Status report on VIOLENT RUMBLE 2?

I have an apple silicon MacBook, what's the best doom port/client thing? I used an ancient version of pb+ back in the day but it looks like DSDA/whatever nowadays doesn't have a Mac option.

>>9884416
You could build DSDA or go here https://github.com/Pedro-Beirao/dsda-launcher
For a binary
But i know GZ also works on apple silicon (but probably using rosetta)

>>9884380
A couple anons are working on maps, and I'm quietly working on a few things. I think we're on course to finally wrap things up and get out a paked test build at the end of the month.

I just want to play these sick quake maps with engine limitations removed but my crappy notebook is so horrible every complicated map runs at like 20fps

sucks to be poor

>>9884431
thanks, the launcher works.
I haven't been dooming for like 3 years, what's a good megawad that has been released since then?

>>9884443
Eviternity
Doom 2 In Spain Only

>>9884443
Did you catch up with the /vr/ releases? 2048 Units, 400 Minutes, 512 Linedefs, HFFM, UNRATTLED, and Ad Mortem are all pretty good. (I'll also use this opportunity to shill Temporal Tantrum since it's a semi /vr/ made megawad.)

>>9884443
Solar Struggle
400 minutes of /vr/
2048 (Absolute) Units of /vr/
Ad Mortem
Temporal Tantrum
stuff like that
>SAD88

>>9884434
>>9884380
I guess I should probably also say that I'm thinking of not calling the release 'Violent Rumble 2'. Calling it '1.1' or something seems more fitting given the turnout and how little I've managed to get done over the past year.

>[5-4] Woof! 11.0 released with many new features
On a scale from 0 (no brightmaps) to 10 (GZDoom brightmaps) how good is this?

How would you rank the /vr/ wads? 100 or 200 mins probably last, because a lot of new mappers in 200, and 100 minutes is just a silly constraint.
2048 is supposed to be good but I... I'm ashamed to say... Haven't played it.

>>9884483
S: Ad Mortem
A: HFFM
B: 2048 units, 400 minutes, 300 minutes, Unrattled
C: 512 lines, 100 minutes
D: 200 minutes
Vaporware: 94 protons

is there a consensus on gl vs software nowadays? playing 2048 at the moment

>>9884336
>LoreShot
That might be a solution. Didn't even know such thing existed. Man, I have to sit down and finish Strife one day.
Now to figure out how to make it pull items instead of monsters.

>>9884485
Of the ones I've played I like 512 the most.
I never beat hffm, except coop where everyone was running speeding through.
Doom might be the worst game in a coop pug.

>>9884483
2048 has a lot of first maps and it sometimes shows but it's still the most acclaimed /vr/ wad in the wider internet for good reason
I think 400 minutes is the best overall, and 512 lines has some of the most unique and abstract levels with quirky Boom features

>>9884483
1. Ad mortem (my most favorite one so far, I just loved everything about it)

2. 2048 units (fun and enjoyable to play)

3. Unrattled (fun doom 1 wad)

4. HFFM (too hard for my taste but i still liked it)

I haven't played the x minutes of /vr/ series yet, I'm still looking forward for 94 protons of cockblock so can't wait to play it in june next year

Are there no vores in arcane dimensions?

Is there a Bolognese/Nash's Gore for vanila-ish ports like DSDA/Woof? Boiled is too bloated with Brutal stuff.

>>9884483
1.Ad Mortem
>the most cohesive of our projects to date, even if not my personal favorite I think its objectively the most polished one we did
2.400 minutes of /vr/
>the most fun map pack from /vr/, even if some maps are on the rough side, the highlight maps and the custom graphics make it an overall masterpiece, and my personal favourite
3.2048 units
>started mapping due to this project, I have a huge sentiment for this wad - also the size constraint and the kino gothic textures resulted in exceptionally good maps made by beginners/first timers
4.HFFM
>Edgy and bold, good mix of fast and hard and faggy maps. From /vr/ with love
5.Unrattled
>fun little doom1 venture with a little bit of doom alpha/beta spice in it from lostres textures. I like it
6.512 lines of /vr/
>A bit less succesful than the before released 400 mins, but it still has its merit. Nice custom HUD just like in 400 mins
Did not play/finish: 100, 200 and 300 mins, 94 prots - I should try the rest of minute series sometime

>>9884443
Overboard

>>9884437
Isn't that what Ironwail is for

>>9884593
ironwail supports chipsets from 2014 onwards. His notebook might be even shittier than that.

FLAT14 gang rise up

>>9884124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrWfhbqURC4
Linus got his hands on a voodoo5 thanks to the buyer who is a tech collector guy in contact with 3dfx devs.

>>9884483
HFFM > 2048 Units > Ad Mortem > 400 > 300 > 512 > 200 > 100

>>9884218
Painkiller - where it doubles as a RocketLauncher
Sin - where it doubles as a GrenadeLauncher

>>9884593
never heard of it, gonna give it a try thanks!

>>9884654
10/10

Have I forgot how low res looks or was it always like that? What are these tiny pixels on the floor, shouldn't it be only 640x400? The whole floor is an absolutely incomprehensible mess, and it's 100000 times worse in motion. Also these brick joints look like someone slapped pixels in completely random order and called it a day.

>>9884218
RTCW has a really good rotary gun with it's Venom Gun. It always makes me annoyed when the "minigun" has a sad and slow firerate, just put in a regular gpmg if you're not prepared to give the minigun the fire rate and destructive power it deserves.
The Quake 2 minigun is also pretty good, when it spins up it starts to really spit that hot lead but unfortunately it also has an issue with the lack of muzzle flash and it would need shell ejections and shit to truly feel like a minigun.

Make it as unwieldy and ammo hog as you want to or only usable on vehicle mounts or whatever but when the players gets to let 'er rip, it needs to be POWERFUL.

>>9884218
Unreal, Singularity.

>>9884735
Slash looks like she's part Strogg.

>>9884218
MALICE
https://files.catbox.moe/4ylxd1.webm

>>9884720
There's possibly some tweaking to be done with the smooth pixel scaling but 640x400 is supposed to be extremely pixely in general. Also don't play in a window.

>>9884769
That's exclusive fullscreen. smooth_scaling option only affects the edges and it's only noticeable if you stick your nose to the monitor. There's also integer_scaling option but I couldn't tell the difference because it's only editable from config file.
I wish vanila-ish devs stopped being so anal about anything above 640x400 in 2023 considering how big monitors are.

>>9884753
That's awesome, it's like they brought the interactive environments of Build games into the Quake engine

>>9884145
I can go with either, but I think centered just works way better for Doom, both for looks and gameplay (offset projectiles are never trouble free).

I don't like mixing angled and centered weapons, it just looks crude. Dual weilded weapons would kind of need to be angled though, so I can except that.

>>9884218
q2

>>9884317
Tom got screwed because he was set on making a different game than the rest of them.

>>9884490
What port? GZDoom added a new GL lighting mode that looks a lot more like software, i think its called "vanilla", i use that now

>>9884856
>no muzzle flash
oops!

>>9884490
If you’re a mapper, you always always do lighting with doom’s software lights instead of relying on some opengl port-specific hardware lighting.

Anyway, the software look is highly superior in every way.

Could someone help me. I want to make a simple script that takes a screenshot at the start of each level.
https://zdoom.org/wiki/Structs:LevelLocals here I got the method name
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=63789&sid=4381850e3986d82c01389a7714896848&start=15 here I found the cvar name that should be enabled for this method to work
It prints the map name in console just fine, but no screenshots, and no errors, nothing

>>9885075
In the article it also mentiones LevelLocals, have you tried that?

Why do mappers think it’s necessary to add to so many goddamn Revenants?

>>9885092
It's a crutch to mask shoddy design and lack of thought. Also, people who can't get hard if a map is "too easy".

What are the most overrated Doom maps/wads?

>>9885079
That's exactly what I'm using.
https://zdoom.org/wiki/ZScript_global_variables

>>9885102
Alien Vendetta

>>9885092
They're both small and the least predictable enemy in Doom, so you can easily create an engaging encounter just by slapping a bunch of them down. Making Hell Knights or Barons as dangerous requires either far greater numbers or more constrained space and Mancubi, Arachnotrons, Cacos, and Pain Elementals can really only function well in big open spaces. You can put any amount of Revenants anywhere and they'll be more engaging and less tedious than any of the alternatives.

I've been trying to make my own texture-pack for doom to make maps with.
If you use them; what's your favorite texture-pack for making doom maps?

>>9884358
>Texture DEfiltering

>>9884474
Good idea. Maybe save "Violent Rumble 2" for Quake 2 mods instead of Quake 1 mods.

>>9885130
>No sink
Call me a city slicker, but that is barbaric

>>9885145
If you can pee in the sink, you can wash your hands in the toilet.

>>9885150
H-how did you know?

>>9885075
>>9885107
Holy shit I put in inside WorldTick() and it worked perfectly fine on the very first tick, but it's just not working inside WorldLoaded(). Guess it's not actually "loaded" yet.

>>9885153
You have much to learn, yank.

>>9884552
There were at least two different vores I recall fighting.
>>9884654
This game is cute.
>>9884748
>Slash looks like she's part Strogg.
That's any idsoft character or enemy with ""cyberaugs"" that also isn't obviously a monster or demon.

I'm thinking about making an MLaaTR Doom wad, /vr/.

>>9885102
Bastion of Chaos

>it's a "the curve of the hallway matches revenant missile turning radius" episode

>>9885220
>It's a "all of the walls are actually midtextures so projectiles go right through them" episode

>>9884218

>>9884128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9pSxvZzVxw
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/135602
Doom II RPG Port Reverse Engineering (version 0.1)

Just beat Redneck Rampage.
It's mega jank and often broken at times and very often the level design is annoying as there will be entire rooms and sections that serve absolutely no purpose BUT it does have some very cool tricks and little flashes of brilliance here and there.

I'm glad I played it. Is Suckin Grits and Rides Again as good or better or worse?

>>9885307
rides again is probably the best experience you can out of redneck rampgae
sgo66 is fine but not as good as rides again

>>9885307
Rides Again is really good, avoid Suckin Grits.

was shaders the first raytracing in terms of being something everyone called a gimmick at first?

>>9885092
if anything, there aren't enough revenants

>>9884654
Map name?

>>9885419
tibet2 from the expansion

>>9885102
Sigil

I really like DOOM 2 WADs at about plutonia difficulty, but man, I can only play 1-3 levels at a time before wanting to do something else. It feels like such a stark contrast from the first three DOOM 1 episodes where you can just blast through 'em, but maybe it's just me getting old.

>>9885550
I feel like a lot of the newer Doom 1 wads capture this.

>>9885550
Doom 1 had a much shallower curve to it while 2 ramps up hard, and that became the example people followed.

There's also something of a known thing with stuff like gameplay mod testing and just general play where single session stuff starts to have people fall off at The Pit.

>>9884480
Any individual sprite, texture or flat can have any color from the palette rendered as fullbright according to a list, predefined for each game and extended/overwritten by pwads. The simplicity of this method means that, unlike gzdoom's, there's no gradation to the brightened area. Since it's sectioned by palette you also can't have bright and dark pixels of the same color on a single case. You couldn't make the chaingunner's eyes glow with this method since it would also make the blood on his face glow, for instance. It seems pretty nice compared to the strictly hardcoded brightmaps from before, but I don't know of any existing wads that accommodate this format.

>Methylene Blue

>>9885658
nice waters

>>9884337
>another annoying sourceport
>nightdive types posted shovelware
Wrecked.
>bitch blaz
BTFO.
>based shadow dude man
Mod when?

Nice, it looks like the Bulleteye dev is clearing a lot of his stuff out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoHNF3ntY5I

>>9884138
Viscera Cleanup Detail. Made by the same guys who did UT2004 Ballistic Weapons.

Is there a working archive of previous AEOD versions?

>>9885676
>based shadow dude man
I too want maps inspired by Shadow Man.

>>9885169
That was actually going to be my suggestion. Glad it worked.

>>9885772
Yeah, I also made a basic logic so it would take a screenshot every X seconds as well.
But now I'm playing Pirate Doom and for some reason it takes 2 screenshots at once sometimes, maybe it's some GZDoom hubs trickery so it calls WorldLoaded() mid-level.

>>9885307
Theres nothing wrong with pointless areas. If anything i would say that increase the soul-o-meter. The real problem is when it's not at all clear what the actual goal even is or how to get to it. Which is pretty often in RR.

>>9885790
>Yeah, I also made a basic logic so it would take a screenshot every X seconds as well.
That sure has some potential for dickery if you can just make it take a screenshot every 0.01 seconds or something.

>>9885804
and its over, honestly wasn't half bad after the first hub

now for hexen 2

>>9885794
Yeah, that's why graf put an option you have to enable for this shit to work at all. But once it's turned on you're at the mercy of whoever decides to call this method, technically it could take your whole disk with screenshots.

>>9885807
I suspect that the first hub isn't really bad compared to the rest of the game, it's just that players aren't used to the game's style of BS yet. Then they understand how it works and have an easier time with the next hubs.

>>9885804
>>9885807
>>9885832
Anything to know going into Hexen? First time playing, but I'm also curious about mods for later playthroughs.

>>9885092
I think they're fun to fight.

>>9885550
I like Plutonia's level of challenge too, it's a good moderate.

>but man, I can only play 1-3 levels at a time before wanting to do something else
Depending on the size of the levels, that's basically me anyway. A nice and big megawad can last me a week or longer, and I'm good with that.

>>9885102
Any ribbiks maps

>>9885832
>it's just that players aren't used to the game's style of BS yet.
A lot I've seen give up on Seven Portals just didn't know to look at the map names, didn't know how to process what the switch texts even meant and didn't know to listen for stuff like doors opening when returning to the hub.

It's not like it was a Sierra point and click game but it seemed those were enough to cause many people to just utterly give in.

>>9885182
>>9885807

hexen 2 is quite certainly one of the video games I've ever played.

take the rpgcodex taste pill for shooters already

>every mod creator leaving certain website
>now gotta scour from a dozen different sites to find stuff
>Dooomworld is a unorganized mess
Sasuga

>>9885942
we need a booru but for wads

>>9885942
I wasn't too happy about leaving the site either, but that's the nature of things.
Though really I guess it doesn't effect you guys, you're always the first to know about my bullshit.

romero bros...

>>9884651
I'd put 2048 Units higher because it felt like a genuine product and not a shitpost. That's not to say HFFM doesn't have some really well-crafted maps, but the name alone clues you in to what the content is like.

>>9885943
>>9885942
Unironically a booru for mods would be so much better.
>every mod from every doom-site
>properly tagged by theme and focus
>little to no drama, just the mods

>>9885945
I don't know who are you are, anon, but I hope you're alright.
If you are who I hope you are thank you again for letting others use your mod to support their own mod creation.

>>9885957
I'm not sure if I'm that guy, the most recent thing I've shared with people are some sprites I bashed together for visual addon for Hideous Destructor.
Unless I've done something in the past and completely forgot about it.

What are some good audio settings for Crispy Doom? The balance seems off when using it compared to running the game through DOSBox, even when using the same exact sliders.

>>9885284
oh fuck ya

>>9885958
I think he's saying you made Demonsteele in the past and completely forgot about it.

>>9886018
I'm sure as hell not Term. I'm not even sure if he lurks here anymore.

>>9885092
>step into huge, circular room...
>gee, I sure hope there aren't any AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

name a more traumatic image

>>9885943
That is actually genius

>>9886061
What Marathon levelset is this? I don't recall any with isometric terminal images like that, but I've only played the big ones.

>>9886163
this is from infinity. i think acme station is the only one that has that.

>>9886163
It's Acme Station, I don't remember Infinity using the image style elsewhere.

>>9886061
Post Naval Trauma if you took a wrong turn on Carroll Street station, because that's three vacuum levels in a row.

Is there a working colored blood mod for the latest GZDoom? The colored_blood dehack makes cacodemon blood grey, and https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/100595-nevanders-mini-mods-and-doom-mapping-portfolio-updated-113020/
bloodfixer doesn't fix baron blood.

God help me, I have no idea fucking idea how to reverse engineer this.
I've been taking out random bits of code hoping that I might magically figure it out. Holy fuck I feel so retarded.

>>9885843
you can jump in hexen
the puzzles can be a little obscure at first but you start to get the feel for them. I remember having the hardest time with the first hub but as other anons said, more likely due to just not having a solid grasp on the game mechanics yet. combat plays a lot like doom still

>>9885843
The disc of repulsion item is surprisingly good, throw off enemies from high places to kill them, you can also use it to move poison clouds which makes a neat combo with the cleric's potions.

>>9886312
>you can also use it to move poison clouds which makes a neat combo with the cleric's potions.
The equivalent of letting one rip and wafting it over into your friend's face.

It’s incredible that even after all these years there hasn’t been a proper organized bugfix mod for the vanilla progs.dat sourcefiles that fixes all the known bugs without adding gameplay mods.

>>9886185
CBLOOD: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=69564

>>9886364
Ty anon!

>>9886198
Trying to make anything more complicated than a simple reload functionality in Decorate warrants you being very adept at Decorate and willing to juggle a million custominventories.
If you're not and you're not trying to make something for Zandro, you're basically better off learning ZScript, because while it has a higher entry requirement and a horrible documentation, depending on what you want to do it's still way easier doing it that way.
webm related was made in ZScript with about a third of the codelines I needed in Decorate AND the effect was actually working as intended unlike the kinda-approximation I could achieve in Decorate.

>>9886384
Okay so how should I go about learning ZScript then? Like what's the first thing I should try to learn to understand the fundamentals?

>>9886384
NTA, but to add to that from experience: a lot of people in the DECORATE simp camp greatly underestimate the power of a well-structured and simple codebase, which ZScript allows you to do, unlike the former. Emphasis on simple. If you see some overengineered bullshit in ZScript, that's a lack of skill, not so much the language's fault (it'll be a while before the technical limitations start bothering you). The skill bar for entry may be a lot lower for DECORATE, but your project will inevitably crumble under a metric fuckton of spaghetti code and become an unmaintainable mess where instead of spending ten minutes adding a feature you spend ten hours if not longer. Anyone who has fiddled with SBARINFO knows that very well. The threshold for what's considered peak bullshit is reached much faster in DEC than anything else, even ACS arguably.

As for the documentation, the problem isn't lack of it. The ZScript wiki page has sufficient information and examples on pretty much all of the basic building blocks you're ever going to need. That's not the issue here. People just want the wiki to always spoonfeed them the solution to their very specific need. That's not how it works. All the wiki does is give you a list of the tools available and tells you how they're used. When and where to use them is entirely up to you. I suppose another issue is just not knowing where to start as a beginner. Best suggestion I can give is dig out some old DEC mod you've made and convert it to ZScript. That way you'll have a clear goal for what you want to do. Start small. Make it a rule to not use inventory items as counters, to abandon DEC practices, and follow it religiously. Either you make the whole jump or you don't jump at all. And don't give me that weak "I can't into code lmao" shit. Give it a try. You'll find it's a lot easier if you stop listening to the people telling you how ultra ballbustingly hard ZScript is. It can be frustrating at times, but what isn't?

>>9886429
This is a very good tutorial that helped me immensely:
https://jekyllgrim.github.io/ZScript_Basics/

Obviously it also helps having programming experience.

>>9886434
>Anyone who has fiddled with SBARINFO knows that very well
I have permanently scarred myself going off the deep end with SBARINFO. Though for what it's worth regarding DECORATE, I've manged to keep my own shit manageable and I've significantly tidied stuff up over the years. Though it'd be nice if I could use anonymous functions at the very least.

>>9886429
https://jekyllgrim.github.io/ZScript_Basics/

>>9886439
If that's you Kegan you could probably make some decorate tutorials before you hang up your hat on Doom modding, just in case future users want to make some Zandy compatible mods.

>>9886453
I am a poor teacher, and really I can see Zandronum and DECORATE going the way of the dodo in another decade.

>>9886429
Glad you asked.
>https://zdoom.org/wiki/ZScript

The fundamental things you will need at start from there:
>Coding language differences
>Custom action functions
>Dynamic arrays
>ZScript actor flags
>ZScript classes
>ZScript custom properties
>ZScript functions
>ZScript variables
>ZScript virtual functions
>ZScript special words (particularly "let", "invoker", and "is")

Then you have these pages:
>https://zdoom.org/wiki/Action_functions
>https://zdoom.org/wiki/ZScript_actor_functions

And if you are feeling particularly bored:
>https://github.com/ZDoom/gzdoom/blob/master/wadsrc/static/zscript
Look at actor.zs, player.zs, doombase.zs, and base.zs. Click around the files and just scroll through that shit. Sometimes just knowing that you have a particular tool will give you ideas and thus set the much-necessary goal. Oh yeah, and experiment. Just fuck around. Ever wonder if you could do X? Go try it out. Experimenting is how you git gud.

The link >>9886439 posted is decent.
>https://zdoom-docs.github.io/staging/
Might also be of help. When all else fails, reverse engineer your favourite ZScript mod. Comment out code or change values to see how things change in-game.

>>9886457
And if you get stuck, you could always ask for help here or the forums. People are willing to help if they see that A) you're patient and B) you aren't just interested in getting spoonfed. Try to learn what the code you're given does instead of just slapping it in the editor like a wet noodle and calling it a day, or worse - complaining that it doesn't work becase you can't extrapolate that "int yourvariablehere;" means you replace that name with your own instead of copying it and using it as is like a complete retard.

>>9886456
At most I think Zandronum will probably not get updates at all, which isn't going to stop people using it.

Odds are the thing the more dickish and expunged GZDoom developers keep telling themselves will happen of Zandronum being folden into GZDoom, will never happen.

Mind you, I do totally see Graf somehow rendering GZDoom incompatible with Decorate and losing his mind at anybody who sticks with old versions to keep being able to use those mods.

>>9886456
>>9886472
Zandronum just got that major update a year or two back and it still gets regular updates. I think it'll be fine, provided people still want to play Doom together.

>>9886434
>It can be frustrating at times, but what isn't?
If I could teach my friend how to speak again then this shouldn't be that difficult.
I appreciate it.
>>9886438
>>9886450
>>9886457
Appreciate it.
>>9886456
>I can see Zandronum and DECORATE going the way of the dodo in another decade.
When graf finally decides to touch the netcode, read never.
That said I don't play Zandronum that much anymore, I honestly avoid community/online play nowadays -- I think I had my fill of video game communities in general so I'm unbothered at the idea my mod won't work with Zandronum

>>9886472
>Mind you, I do totally see Graf somehow rendering GZDoom incompatible with Decorate and losing his mind at anybody who sticks with old versions to keep being able to use those mods.

He can't do that. Both DECORATE and ZScript are far too intertwined backend-wise to pull of something like that without rewriting the entire scripting backend. Not to mention the DECORATE functions are not obsolete in ZScript at all, so this would also break pretty much all ZScript mods too. If anything, I find it more likely he'll drop GZDoom altogether in favor of Raze.

>>9886482
>If anything, I find it more likely he'll drop GZDoom altogether in favor of Raze.
Yeah I can see that. GZDoom already has multiple commercial products to its name, as well as more on the horizon. Graf could call it "complete" and move on to new projects. Reminds me to keep going on my goals. We keep driving into the night.

>>9886476
>That said I don't play Zandronum that much anymore, I honestly avoid community/online play nowadays -- I think I had my fill of video game communities in general so I'm unbothered at the idea my mod won't work with Zandronum
I'm not blaming you but this sort of thing bums me out trying to host the HL1 multiplayer. I know consistency is an issue for me but people never seem to be that interested. Feels like chasing a ghost.

/vr/ I need your help
I'm looking for a certain retro FPS I played as a kid
timeframe possibly mid to late 90s
FPS, playing IIRC as some sort of mage? Only thing I remember clearly there was this item that that after picking up temporary froze time and you could fire (fireballs?) at frozen enemies, then the time would unfreeze again and fireballs would actually start moving and strike the enemies.
any ideas?

What's a good way to get a midi converted to mp3 (or any modern file format) without losing the original sound?

>>9886482
He's broken shit before in stupid ways and gone "fuck you, you were wrong to be using it anyway, now get to updating it to new builds or get fucked" to people.

Just beat this. Was good, I enjoyed it. Was a nice set up in challenge for a newer player. I liked the enemy variants and the replacement for the plasma rifle.

>>9886504
I think winamp has a midi to mp3 plugin.

>>9886509
>>9886504
WAIT NO use foobar! I've done that for hundreds of midis.

>>9886504
VirtualMidiSynth can convert files. That's possibly the laziest and fastest way with near-zero effort. Alternatively you can set up fluidsynth, but it requires command line and the documentation kind of sucks for real. This was the command line for the last time I used it:

fluidsynth.exe -C 0 -R 0 -T wav -F Output.wav G:\GZDoom\Soundfonts\Arachno.sf2 KoD83.mid

-C is chorus, -R is reverb, -T is filetype, -F is for the output/input stuff.

>>9886506
>>9886482
It's Graf. I genuinely am impressed every day he hasn't nuked his project and just commited sudoku for some weird and overblown reason.
>>9886495
It's not about consistency for me, if I can gather at least one friend weekly it's alright with me: It's just I've grown tired of chasing groups, you see so many groups die you either become numb to it or. you can't bear to watch it again. I'm on the latter. Oh well.

>>9886506
Half the time he's broken shit because some other retard submitted a half-assed PR. Many such cases. Most recent example:
>https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=77549
Except in this case he refuses to fix it despite the fact it would break a total number of 2 mods, and that's probably a stretch. As much as I defend Graf from a programmer perspective, sometimes he does things I can't really understand, nor defend. I'd rather he made this consistent than keep it as is, but whatever. What bothers me the most is that he refuses to break backwards compatibility to fix absolutely horrible hacks that bog down the codebase and fuck me in the ass by not allowing rad features, but breaks it for some lame stuff. Like if you're gonna break things, at least make it worth my while. I always use cutting-edge features and don't play many mods, so I can't really complain about being forced to use old versions. Backward compatibility is cancer in programming form and has the potential to quite literally kill a piece of software, but it's hard to understand why if you've never felt the frustration of not being able to fix something ever again. Forward compatibility is king, but back in the day the people working on the engine didn't really know better.

>>9886515
>It's Graf. I genuinely am impressed every day he hasn't nuked his project and just commited sudoku for some weird and overblown reason.
It's not just him, near enough the entire team is weirdly touchy, I had one of them go apeshit at me because I keep some builds of like GZ Doom 2.5 and shit about for mods that utterly break on recent versions.

Somehow they get deeply offended by the implication they're not doing as good with legacy mod support as they tell themselves.

>>9886525
>What bothers me the most is that he refuses to break backwards compatibility to fix absolutely horrible hacks that bog down the codebase and fuck me in the ass by not allowing rad features, but breaks it for some lame stuff.
Thank the masses of bumbling retards screeching about how updates break their mods.
And since he's a literal boomer with a regular day job, I assume he doesn't keep track of the million mods that would break during an update and just "considers" those that are currently on his radar.

I personally would like him just cleaning up the codebase and moving forward, but everyone knows that ZDoom forums would explode and this thread would be filled with nothing but le chicken man bad posts for weeks.

>>9886526
>Somehow they get deeply offended by the implication
It's the Doom community, more-so it's the ZDoom community. Like ironically enough I genuinely think /vr/'s Doom threads are usually more chill than most of the Doom forums on a good day.
Sorry you went through that though, anon. Do hope they weren't too annoying about it.

>>9886526
There is a massive psychological divide between the common user and the programmer. I've felt that first hand, having developed mods for like a decade. Most people who just want to pley gaem don't understand why developers break things, and developers don't understand why people don't stop using the old broken versions. It's not that they're trying to fuck you over, they can literally no longer comprehend why you're not thinking like them. Both parties are right for themselves. If the devs didn't have the "go forward, leave what's behind" mindset, we'd still be using DeHackEd. It's one of those necessary evil things. I just wish they'd put more thought into accepting PRs from randos and put more planning into features. I also suspect fixing those broken mods to work with newer versions would be a rather easy task, too. I firmly believe none of this would have been a problem if people were allowed to pick up, fix, and repost working versions of broken mods instead of getting "HAVE U PERMISSION'D?!" all over by the moderators. The mods are broken to begin with because the author has long since fucked off and for all intents and purposes might as well be dead. Unfortunately, most mods don't really have a permissive license either because the old modding community wasn't necessarily a programming community, so licenses were kind of whatever. It's kind of a moral dilemma when it comes to stuff like this, too. Do you violate someone's intellectual property rights by re-releasing something without their permission and make a lot of people happy in the process, or do you sleep calmly at night?

Man, this talk of people trying to update old mods for the sake of the new engine makes me think of how fucking awful it'd be if someone tried to update DRPG or DRLA for modern GZDoom.

>>9885804
>>9885807
I love Hexen's ending. It would've been perfect if Korax was more like Heresiarch.
>>9885894
This staff still low-key bothers me.
>>9886503
>FPS, playing IIRC as some sort of mage? Only thing I remember clearly there was this item that that after picking up temporary froze time and you could fire (fireballs?) at frozen enemies, then the time would unfreeze again and fireballs would actually start moving and strike the enemies.
Sounds like Catacomb 3-D.

>>9886548
>Like ironically enough I genuinely think /vr/'s Doom threads are usually more chill than most of the Doom forums on a good day.
They are, there's a reason a lot of the big name modders show up here from time to time, you get arguments and shit here but people will also talk about stuff they're having fun with, like how there was a Demonsteele discussion a thread or two back.
>>9886550
>I firmly believe none of this would have been a problem if people were allowed to pick up, fix, and repost working versions of broken mods instead of getting "HAVE U PERMISSION'D?!" all over by the moderators
That's a messy fucking subject in itself, especially after the Ion Maiden asset debacle, they basically set themselves up as a protection thing of they'll protect your shit if you're in with them but if you're out of favor they'll look the other way.

Especially on ZDoom you'll see like eighty "I fixed BD" threads, a few from people chummy with the moderators and they all get a pass because none of the moderators give a shit there.

>>9886553
I once wrote a small program to calculate how many lines of A_JumpIfInventory there were in DLRA, for shits and giggles. I've forgotten the exact numbers as that was years ago, but roughly 30-35% of the mod's code at the time was just A_JumpIfInventory spaghetti. About 13000 lines, IIRC, or around there. I can tell you for a fact refactoring that to use ZScript would take longer than it would to just rewrite the mod from scratch. Not worth it.

Quofee 2 with Arcane Dimensions chaos mode makes me do pic related

>>9886565
That sounds about right. Along with all this talk about modding and bullshit, it reminds me how badly I'd love to see a visual SBARINFO editor. That'd make my life so much easier.
Sadly with how things are I think most folks would just say "Use Zscript."

>>9886560
Even circlejerk aside it's a moral grey area to begin with. Intellectual property needs to be respected, but at the same time that comes at the cost of preventing objectively good outcomes from occuring. Talking strictly in the modding scene and assuming the mod is actually abandoned. Obviously, if you do re-release something, you shouldn't ever claim you did the entire thing yourself, that's just a plain old dick move. But I feel that as long as you give credit where it's due and not claim ownership, I don't know what the big deal is. If the author somehow crawls out from underneath whatever rock they inhabit to complain, you either take the mod down or shove it in their hands and tell them to fix their shit or relicense it under MIT license or something.

>>9886550
> I firmly believe none of this would have been a problem if people were allowed to pick up, fix, and repost working versions
I can understand why people don't want others to touch their stuff, hell I'm protective of a lot my stuff, but like it just doesn't make sense to me when it comes to mods. It's literally a mod.
I can understand if it's a product you're selling, or hell it's your waifu, but goddamn does it feel hypocritical when half the weapons people use are from other games slightly edited.
>>9886560
>, they basically set themselves up as a protection thing
I suspect they'll continue this trend, but after the unsaid recent event, I don't think they're going to be as aggressive as they were before.
Also Doom World seemed to siphon a lot of the modders, so I have hope one day people can finally make unofficial updates to mods so long as they're clearly labeled unofficial -- like every other modding community allows.
Till then at least Term and HDoomGuy have basically said, repeatedly, they do not care if you update their mods so long as you make it very clear it's unofficial.

>>9885942
Is this over the tranny molester?

>>9886565
I gotta respect Yholl for being all "fuck it, I'm going to develop shit for ZDoom", if nothing else he's sure had a stable platform to build off.
>>9886574
>it reminds me how badly I'd love to see a visual SBARINFO editor. That'd make my life so much easier.
>Sadly with how things are I think most folks would just say "Use Zscript."
If I had the time these days I'd totally knock out something to do this, at least as a proof of concept since none of it's really hard to do while having it be able to import/export shit.

>>9885942
We had the fucking wad archive but the guy decided he didn't give a shit anymore. I'm still mad.

>>9886594
Anon, it's time to start the WadBooru.
It's time to tag every single mod by theme and focus, making it easy to find mods and explore new ones.
It's time, Anon.

>>9886584
It's something that's very murky, like you look at Project MSFix'd, if I remember right, the original didn't even have the ACS source included and the dude reverse-engineered shit before adding more to it.

As far as policing where stuff comes from, it's too little too late really when it's a community built on taking shit from everywhere and treating crediting stuff as it making it legally ok.
>>9886587
>can understand why people don't want others to touch their stuff, hell I'm protective of a lot my stuff, but like it just doesn't make sense to me when it comes to mods. It's literally a mod.
I always took the opinion that if people wanted to tweak my stuff to suit themselves then it's fine, so long as they make it plain that it's an edit and not either their own mod or something I've done.

>>9885130
Needs to make this in Hotline Miami 2

>>9886596
This is genuinely a neat idea, especially if there's a way to have different versions of stuff where the mod has drastically changed.

>>9886594
>>9886596
If you boys make the WadBooru a thing I'll provide files of the older versions of GMOTA and Combined_Arms happily.

>>9883632

>>9886596
wadbooru sounds amazing. gotta show support for such a thing.
i’d love to be the person to upload maragretthatcher wad

>>9886613
The Raw Wads archive.

>>9886601
I should clarify: That while I'm protective of a lot of my stuff that doesn't really extend to mod stuff. When, and if, I release my textures I'm making and the mod I'm making: I really don't care if people steal stuff from it, I'd only complain if they made money off my work which I think is fair.
I'm protective of my art, my writing and my oc donut stel waifu but only to the extent they're used in a way that I feel insults the source material, mainly my waifufaggotry, and even then I'm usually okay with that. It's just the idea I can understand, but I as a person would probably find it cool; or just not care in reality.

>>9886574
Use ZScript. But I'll tell you why from a practical perspective. Back in the DECORATE day, a mod called Bullet-Eye had like 12000 lines of SBARINFO code (not exaggerating). That number growed exponentially due to the very basic scripting SBARINFO allows, which essentially boils down to if/else, so you end up with MASSIVE fucking if/else chains just to display that one extra weapon you just added. And it gets progressively worse. There is NO way around that. It's a physical inevitability. Now, if you had a visual editor, that could potentially alleviate some of the issues like having to change 500 offsets, but the moment you have to rework something, that won't save you. And you are also technically limited in what you can do because the primary tool in SBARINFO is inventory tokens. You have some super simple array support, but even that is indirect as from what I can see on the wiki you need to use ACS global arrays in combination with DrawNumber and such.

For contrast, the mod now has exactly 1617 lines of code in the HUD file, post-redesign from the other day, and that's with all the braces. Mor'ladim can keep adding weapons, equipment items, and inventory items until the world caves in and he still wouldn't need to add a single line of code to that file. The reason I shill ZScript so much and will die on this hill is because it allows for god-tier automation in the right hands. The purpose of programming at its core is to automate things. If you're smart, you'll make them easier to extend, too. If you have the option to bash your head open trying to figure out how to work with ZScript HUDs to get to a point where you don't have to touch it anymore, take that over bashing your head against increasingly denser SBARINFO with no chance of ever being able to just forget the file exists. I'll drop a simple commented ZScript HUD I wrote for Endie a while back as a starting point once I manage to dig it up later.

>>9886624
Oh yeah tanking somebody's character or something and using them without permission in something else or selling that shit would be very off.

>>9886626
I can't use Zscript. Zandy compat only.

>>9886626
Dug it up sooner than expected.
>I think that covers just about all of the basics. There are two HUD files: ENDHUDAD.zsc and ENDHUDSM, AD and SM standing for Advanced and Simple, respectively. Right now the default HUD is the advanced one. To change between the two, change EndieHUDAdvanced in MAPINFO.txt to EndieHUD.
https://files.catbox.moe/y994eb.zip

>>9886634
Shid. Well, my condolences, lol.

>>9885946
Mmm

>>9886626
>a mod called Bullet-Eye had like 12000 lines of SBARINFO code
Dude put out a video showing some of the stuff he's done to get it to be a much less busy mod.

>>9886636
That being said, if you saw the shit I've had to pull for Arti's HUD face in Combined_Arms, you'd most likely wither. It's just as you described: I've had to construct abominable else/if pyramids. Though right now it's only at 4061 lines of code total for four playable classes. I intend on adding some more classes later and they'll have animated HUD faces too.
Though I think I was pretty clever offsetting some of the gruntwork here carefully using ACS for animation timings. I wish I could just dictate where animations start in ANIMDEFS.

>>9886636
I downloaded this because it's relevant to my interests, thanks.

>>9886646
Yeah we've been working on bringing it back on track. Feature creep is real, anons, and you never know when it will strike YOUR mod!

>>9886649
>A_Look();
>A_Scream();
>A_BrainExplode();

>>9886650
Anytime. Hopefully you'll find it useful. I definitely would have done the advanced one differently today, but that might have been too arcane and would have had the opposite effect. Sometimes it's a better to do things half-assed at the start just so you can begin rolling, then refactor once you get a better idea of what could be done better. Trying to do things The Right Way™ from the start usually ends in a deadlock because you can't possibly predict everything. Plus you get ideas as you code.

Good job /vr/, it looks like complete shit.
We'll do more map defacement another time.

>>9886663
>Feature creep is real, anons, and you never know when it will strike YOUR mod!
Everybody's got to watch out for each other so they don't become the next George Broussard.

>>9886667
I should return to Kartan... I miss it.

I'm trying to play a mod (hellrider) and my hud is completely gone. I'm prettt sure that I need to modify some hud options, but I don't know what.

>>9886732
well to cover the most obvious thing first: Have you tried tapping - or + a few times to see what happens?

>>9886735
=]

>>9886736
Yes or no, motherfucker.

>>9886745
Yes, that worked. Thank you.

>>9886732
>>9886735
>>9886736
>>9886745
>>9886748
Magical place.

had this piece of art in my hydrus images, not sure where it's from but i think it's doom related

>>9886768
Looks like something out of one of those monster randomizer mods with bullshit bosses that kill you in a single hit from full armor and health.

This cannot be normal, right? Skull Wizard on the first room?

>>9886775
>You entered the wrong church, Heretic!

>Muzzle flash autist is always up during EU Hours
the plot thickens

>>9886775
depends of the difficulty

>>9886913
I'm convinced they're German,

>>9886913
Why didn't Quake 2 have muzzle flashes?

>>9886918
unironically there is autist at quake discord and slipseer who hates HL and Quake2 who pulls this shit.

>>9886936
That's Alf, isn't it? How does he still manage to exist?

>>9886975
the real alf is a argentinian piece of shit, he exposed himself by accident at gog forums.

DWTerminator is the one that is euro anmd keeps changing his name with his friends.

>>9886975
he's back in pog form

>>9886775
are you playing on ultra violence?

i liked myhouse, reminded me a lot of yume nikki and the environments were really cool and onirical

just played HFFM, it was good, but who came up with the theme?
just seems random.

>>9887112
It was me. I did it.

>>9887112
I think the name came from one of those word clouds and then shit just snowballed fro mthere.

>>9887112
>but who came up with the theme?
The word cloud

>>9886775
>spider has quake symbol on belly
Woah based Hexen 2, maybe I oughta give it a spin
I really hated puzzles in Hexen 1 but loved Heretic 1 and 2, is this a suitable game for me?

>>9887127
>>9887128
that makes sense,

>>9887138
>I really hated puzzles in Hexen 1 but loved Heretic 1 and 2, is this a suitable game for me?
Uh-h-h... It might not be. Tell you what, just pick it up and run through the first hall.

Captcha 44442

>>9887138
I haven’t ran into any “puzzles” in 2 yet, just oddly shaped “keys”. You have to come across someone’s bones, then you have to take them to a mill to ground the bones up, you also need to find a key to open the mill, then you have to take the crushed bones to an altar that make a “transmogthingy potion” that you have to take to this golden wall underwater in another level. Touching this gold wall while holding the potion turns it into wood. Then you smash the wood wall and get a castle key on the other side.

>In 2019, Marisa joined the team which compiled that year's Cacowards, covering the gameplay mod section in TerminusEst13's stead.
lmfao
sexually harassed you away, might just take your cacoward spot

>>9887191
Irony how term had the last laugh at the end, and people are finally fucking off Doomworld and Zdoom forums to doomer boards or going independent while posting here.

>>9886667
Amazing. Still better than the weird bug fetish the track author has.

>>9887194
was doomworld complacent?

>>9887191
That was something I realized a couple weeks ago, fucking got protected and rewarded for doing that shit to him.

>>9887194
I just hope the poor dude finally got some closure out of it, I don't think we'll ever see him back one way or the other but maybe finally outing them can help him put it behind him a bit.

>>9885119
Gothic is absolute best

>>9887194
>Irony how term had the last laugh at the end
>ONLY TRUST YOUR FISTS
>proceeds to gutpunch the entire moderator team so hard they submit
Srsly, that's when it was clear ZDoom forums wasn't coming back from this any time soon. The fact that none of them had the gumption to address it was great, considering how antagonistic they were in the thread up to that point.

>>9884483
Kino tier: ad mortem
Average tier: 2048 units, unrattled, 512 lines.
Shit tier: 300-200 mins, cancelled /vr/ halloween wad.

I haven't played hffm, 400 mins of /vr/ and 94 protons yet

J. Clucks Chicken cluck and.....

>>9887191
>This tranny's crime is that they had a 14 yo gf when they were 18.

I had a 14 yo gf when I was 18. Well, for 3 months until she turned 15. It's only 3 years it's not that big a deal.

I'm 32 now and she would be 29.

>>9887292
I don't know how many people care about that. They care more about covering for their serial abuser internet fuckbuddy and the moderator teams response being "we don't want any bad publicity so we'll try and smooth all this over and cover for them, going so far as to write an apology letter on their behalf and ask them to sign it".
What pillow said was right too. If it were any other demographic they would've been dropped like a hot coal.

Marisa made some good mods tho. The UT99 mod is neat, in particular.

>>9887287
muck

>>9887287
duck

>>9887287
pluck

Total outsider and noobie to doom modding. So where do I go now due to all of this drama, nexusmods?

>>9884317
>>9884857
Tom was dead set on another Commander Keen and couldn't wrap his read around the team not wanting to do it.

>>9887323
Here, since the mods here will ban us all soon for talking about it.
Or doomerboards since they have a dedicated shitpostong thread about current events.

>>9887334
Thought he just wanted a more realistic approach to Doom. Logical buildings and such.

>>9887292
did you have a cabal of terminally online freaks censoring anyone who brought it up for years?

>>9886667
Show moar. I wonder if there's SOMEMONG or the pope texture in there.

>>9887323
Depends what you want out of it. Personally I don't frequent any place in particular but if I have some technical problem I just use a search engine to look up how things works, wherever that leads, be it doomworld, zdoom forums, doomwiki.

>>9887334
Really now? First time I heard that one. But just seeing Tom's design notes for Doom I feel like he was pretty invested into it.
Or do you mean that his lofty rpg ideas for Doom weren't what the others wanted, that much I knew.

>>9886667
This: >>9887342 a webm lap would be cool to see all the shitstains on the walls.
Also damn that's close to a nice get.

>>9887338
>>9887343
Before Doom really got into serious development Tom wanted to move onto another Commander Keen game but rest of team said they didn't want to. Especially Adrian who said he despised having to do 'kiddie' art. But yea, Tom also had the idea that since they wouldn't be doing Keen, they could make the game 'cinematic' with cut scenes and all this other jazz. Again the team disagreed and said simplicity is better

>>9887351
They were right, but I'm glad his design sense made it into Anachronox.
I used to have a big box of it... Dunno why I didn't keep it.

>>9887351
Yeah Adrian despising Keen is a well-known one. But I never thought about these things in relation to one another, that Tom may have been still stuck on Keen and may have brought over some kind of overlap or influence from it.

When Doom Delta won Cacoawards I started reading a bit more about the background and development for the first time and my impression was became that Tom was the only guy really worldbuilding and thinking about story when the rest of id seemed to be occupied with other aspects. And that Tom's big ideas were kind of an unnecessary bloat that one day they thought to be entirely cuttable.

>>9887367
I feel you about the boxes. I threw most of mine out and regret it. Only ones I have now are Strife and Red Alert 2. I kept the RA2 one because I bought it like a week before 9/11 and they changed the cover afterwards

>>9887229
Marisa did make a personal apology to Term during all this, which I think went over well. I wonder if the expunged staff realize even now that the only person's side they managed to take in the end was that of Marisa's scumbag accuser.

>>9887379
>I kept the RA2 one because I bought it like a week before 9/11 and they changed the cover afterwards
Didn't know that.
I kept a few for a long time, but moved and such and had to downsize and blah blah. I rebought Thief 1/2 and Gunman Chronicles recently. And a copy of Doom Collectors Edition (Win95 versions, lol - but that ok the box is cool).
There are only a few more I'm interested in. Unreal, mostly. OG release, not Gold.
And anything in a trapezoid box desu.

pffthaha
I didn't know about this either.

>>9887389
Those screenshots look smooth as hell.

>>9887387
>>9887389
Yea they moved it to the small box without the inner flap and changed the cover so that it was a mushroom cloud instead of the American flag in the guys eye piece

>>9887368
Tom was always obsessed with Keen. I get that its his baby and all but became an issue as far as I understand it. Still says that its his dream to make a new one. Which at this point, I don't see why they don't give him another shot. If they want to renew the franchise then he would be their best bet

>>9887410
Wonder if the mushroom cloud was art they had for other nations releases.

>>9886913
>>9887083
It has to be a bug or something, happens with FTEQW and those testing HoT builds

>>9887292
I had a girlfriend that was 18, when I was 16, but come on Anon: We know the internet is always playing optics when it comes to this shit.
To clarify they mentioned it briefly, in past tense, meaning they were likely younger than 18 themselves. The person who got him was literally the meme: He was 17 year and 364 days old you sick fuck.
But I think it's fair to say the event wasn't just about Marisa, had it just been that by anyone else they would've just been banned/kicked and everyone say: "Wow, I never knew he could've done such an evil thing." and moved on.
It's that Marisa did a lot things that if anyone else did they would've been banned immediately, but they were constantly excused: If I flirted with a mod creator, and still flirted with her, even after she told me to stop I wouldn't just be banned: I would've been killed.

>>9887287

I love Hexen and I wish we got more games like it

>>9887323
>Total outsider and noobie to doom modding.
/vr/ for, ironically, civil discussion.
zdoom for zdoom schizoposting, and technical support. Lmao good luck with that.
DoomWorlds if you want to browse a modding community.
Going to be honest, anon.
There's a hundred places where you can explore and find content; hell I've seen some people put their mods on fucking newgrounds for some god unknown reason, so honestly don't pay too much attention to the current discussion at hand. The average person just wants to play video games, and blessed be that person who just wants to play video games. Just go where the wind takes you. pic unrelated.

>>9887478
Have you tried Amid Evil? Reminds me a lot of it

Any site or artist recommendations for weird midi music? Anything fast, psychedelic, trance, experimental, breakcore, whatever.
I feel in need of fresh perspectives and inspirations. Doom-like rock midis aren't doing it for me currently.

Using "<genre> midi" as search term produces jackshit for results. And most midi music repository sites are filled with cruddy versions of popular music.

>>>/wsg/5083182

>>9887648
Check mouldy's doom wads.

>>9887657
That's what's made me think about this actually. I've thought about asking him for permission to use his other music as well. I'm unsure how that'd go since he seems fairly protective of his brand, which is fair enough, I understand.

>>9887387
Speaking of Doom box I was at retro store awhile back and they had unopened Doom box for $60. I regret not grabbing it up

>>9887648
Nicolas Monti's wads always have the most oddball midi choices. It's great, the man has top-tier gameplay but his aesthetic sensibilities are straight out of 1994.

would a quake or duke 3d cd look cool on a shelf? not the box, just the jewel case.
might pick one up since i have some some empty shelf space and have no idea what to use it for.

>>9887696
If you have to ask then you don't deserve to be in the awesome presence of a Quake or Duke 3D jewel case

>>9887685
Oof.
I've had some regrets like that. I get it.

>>9887648
Master Levels MIDI pack
https://youtu.be/qtqF6lHNZ1U

>>9887696
I think I'm going to make an Unreal big box replica out of wood. This is down the line because I have other milling projects to work on first and only a little time, but essentially it'll hinge together and display the jewel case like the og unreal box (pic related). Then hang on a wall. The picture on the wood would be a relief of something akin to the original art, only a little different (resculpted, little design changes).
Should be cool when I'm done. Might be a year or two away tho.

I remember seeing anons here playing Quake 2's original campaign with Mission 64 mod, and my question is: how do you do it?
I mean I can start it via "map base1", and it works fine until elevator near the beggining of second map. It doesn't move. And this is not the only elevator, several others I tried didn't work too. It's like some func brush functionality is broken by the mod.
I'm using KMQuake2 version 0.20, got the mod from here: https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/mission-64

>>9887717
Forgot pic. Top open, bottom closed. Jewel case in the center.

>>9887342
>>9887347
I wish we had a bigger max file size here.

>>9887690
>>9887715
Thankies, noted.

Another thought is to just find a weird soundfont and see what scratches that itch while also works with more conventional doom midis.

>>9887723
One more

why is doom multiplayer so fucking dead?
every server is either empty or full of shitty mods.
what happened to all the good deathmatch servers?

>>9887730
cant believe the taco made it in lol

>>9885307
I have barely ever played this game and what little I experienced seemed decent. Is this supported in the more modern build engine emulators or whatever its called? I would actually try to play thru this if so.

>>9886554
>Sounds like Catacomb 3-D.
good guess but I don't think it is that, or any other Catacomb game
IIRC it was a bit newer, better graphics, and there are no freeze time pickups in Catacomb.
any other guesses?

>>9887718
>And this is not the only elevator, several others I tried didn't work too.
The first two major elevators I tried in the first unit didn’t work for me either, but those two elevators made up 66% of the issues I had in playing the original campaign through the mod. The remaining 33% were in returning from the low-gravity secret level: The low-grav didn’t disappear, so just make a backup save before you play it through the mod.
If more elevators goof up in later units there could be some weird files floating around in your Q2 folder. The other minor issues I had were some gib sounds looping for a moment before stopping, and sometimes those shotgun guards felt too accurate.

>>9887837
Shadowcaster

>>9886613
Do I even want to know what that wad is?

I have a real weird feeling when I'm playing Half-Life these days. Something feels off - different from how it was on XP, and then Win7.
Mouse look maybe? Or something up with performance, despite my rig clearly being somewhat above the recommended 800 MHz cpu and 128 MiB's of RAM. Problem is, I tried numerous things over the course of some time, but still can't seem to make it work Just Right.
So, the question to you, fine people - how do you run that game? What options do you use? WON version, steam, or Xash 3D? Throw at me everything you think might be relevant, down to using default installation directories and such.

>>9886643
>ChatGPT isn't even a bot
>you're just in a chatroom with John Carmack

>>9887195
The what now?

>>9887872
It's some dumb ZDoom wad that managed to get on the gaming news before being quickly forgotten.

>>9887148
It really WAS random, in other words. Personally I'd love to see another collab based on a word cloud shitpost but I don't want to force the meme either. Not sure what I want.

>>9887840
Honestly about 'several', it was just one second elevator I tried, kek. Assumed it's gonna be so for every other one. Good to hear this is not the case.

>spend hours on a megawad
>ends in an icon of sin fight... but BIGGER
god damn it

>>9887885
That was my worry, I even bound a key to “noclip” just in case but I never had to press it.

>>9887872
its just a silly Zdoom mod based around her coming back to earth.
https://thatchers-techbase.github.io/get.html
it's pretty good, but a bit derivative.

>>9887872
>MARGARET THATCHER IS DEAD
>DING DONG THE WICKED BITCH IS DEAD
>IT'S A SHAME THE BITCH DIDN'T DIE 87 YEARS AGO

fuck tim willits
me and the homies all hate tim willits

>>9887723
That SOMEMONG placement is absolutely perfect. Fuck those balloons.

>>9887902
>>9886613
Is this wad actually good? I know there was a lot of (unnaturally large) hype around it but I'm willing to give it a shot if it's actually worthwhile.

>>9887916
I don't know, haven't played it.
>>9887896 said it was pretty good so I'm assuming it's pretty good.

>>9887785
Yeah, it's hard to find vanilla servers these days
Best you can hope for is someone here hosting a game
I suppose there's also Odamex and ZDaemon but lord knows what state those might be in by now

>>9887914
I like his maps but hate just about everything else he’s done.
Just like Sgt Mark actually, that’s weird.

>>9887785
I only play on ZDaemon for that reason.
>>9887954
There are fewer people playing in general and there are a couple of popular servers with shitty mods, but there's always some good survival, especially on thursday and friday night. DM and duel also pop up often. Odamex only gets active at certain times. I haven't seen many DMs over there though.

>>9887958
Yeah, for sure. Willits only got worse after 2000.

>>9887954
i use zandro and odamex. oda is fucking dead and zandro is full of shitty modded servers

>>9884124
Anyone try it yet?


>https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/135602-doom-ii-rpg-port-reverse-engineering-version-01/

>>9887996
No.

>>9887723
awesome, which someone recorded in on yt too

>>9887837
>and there are no freeze time pickups in Catacomb.
There're though. Couldn't dig up the gameplay since haven't played the games myself, but there're quotes like this out there:
>Probably the two most memorable things about Catacomb Abyss are that its series boasted some of the most eye-poppingly awful wall textures ever, and a really cute timestop mechanic. The items needed were incredibly rare, but with a little cheating you could freeze time, lay down zillions of shots, restart time, and watch enemies getting absolutely annihilated.
https://www.pcgamer.com/saturday-crapshoot-ultimate-shareware-games-collection-vol-1/

The example is for Catacomb Abyss, but I'm sure all games in the series had "freeze time power-up".

>>9887998
https://archive.org/download/Doom2RPG

>>9888014
Right, I didn't think it would exclude game files.

>>9887785
damn i'm glad i'm not the only one that thinks like that

personally i'd like a client/server crispy doom fork

>>9884221
>>>/re/ddit

>>9887916
It seemed passably ok with as much as I played it, it just felt like it wouldn't have got any of the traction if it weren't for the political crap.

>>9888181
holy shit, a multiplayer version of crispy doom would be a godsend

>>9888237
Doesn't Crispy Doom already have c/s multiplayer like Choco?

>>9888247
there's a server architecture but it's not true c/s where everyone can leave and the game persists

>>9888237
Indeed so.

>get busy and distracted the last several days
>finally sit down and get a chance to learn how to make brightmaps for things I like
Well that was easy. Took a whole 4 minutes to learn. Now to just keeping making more and putting them into walls.bm.

I want proper multiplayer for GZDoom. Give me my client/server protocols you stupid chicken!

>>9888271
Brightmaps are tedious to make but I think it's always worth it.

>>9888273
Never gonna happen, something which a lot of Hideous Destructor fans have developed Stockholm syndrome over.

>>9888287
And why is that?

>>9888287
Nobody likes dealing with desyncs, but being able to save and load multiplayer games is pretty nice.

>>9886913
>Muzzle flash autist is always up during EU Hours
where did the muzzle flash man touch you?

>>9887876
What exactly feels different? Is it movement related? Steam version has no view tilting when strafing like in the WON version, for one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkVT3ALCwd8

>>9886671
The serber's always waiting, 24/7.

>>9888271
>>9888276
Dog bless. One of the most soulful things about Doom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFWE1mR8LJE

>cancelled /vr/ halloween wad

Backstory?

>>9887285
>>9888453

>>9888453
IIRC, it was a project called /vr/y spooky, but it never made it past the planning phase.

>>9888453
A few years ago, maybe in 2016 or 17, people were planning on making a Halloween wad. It had some assets made and everything but nobody submitted any maps so it sat on ice until 2021 with Ad Mortem.

>>9888463
It did, actually. It only got 4 maps and I remember a few more were withdrawn.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uikf8kmz3st4z2j/vryspooky_alpha.zip?dl=1
I still miss giga nigga repugnus

>>9888469
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/4294178/#4298105
There's the original post. If you go forward from there, you might be able to find more of the maps.

>>9888276
>>9888418
Interesting so far, might still adjust some of these.

Forget the halloween wad, make way for the true cancelled /vr/ GOTYAY

How many cancelled /vr/ projects are so far?

>>9888590
>Heretic project
>Halloween project
>Patchwork
>/boards/.wad
>94 protons
That's five off the top of my head

>>9888590
>>9888595
There was also the Valentines' one.

>>9888604
I still hope to do that some day.

>>9888604
I will make a valentines level right now, I don't care it's May, I'm going to make it now.

>>9888595
>No christmas project
i'm quite impressed, we even made a wad for pride month (HFFM)

>>9888331
He nuzzled his muzzle.

>>9888453
Didn't it become Ad Mortem?

>>9888634
No. Ad Mortem was its own thing by a different lead with an entirely different set of resources started 4 years after the first attempt.

>>9888616
The idea was to pass the map back and forth with a random anon and collaborate.

are there any good unmaker sprites? the doom delta ones look out of place and the ones from realm 667 just look bad.

>>9888638
Sounds like a cool concept but I will probably hate my partner for spamming so many revs.

>>9888638
Ah no wonder it failed.
It have a better chance if it was something like: Make a level in honor of your video game/waifu, which I thought it was.
I'm still going to make a map to honor my waifu.

>>9888679
Make sure to post it here.
Good taste.

>>9888638
I still want to do this next time it starts up.

>>9888679
cool idea, reminds me of this from 300 minutes

>>9888730
that in turn reminded me of this from TNTTHREE

>>9888516
Yo, are those anime tiddies? Fuckin nice.

>>9888785
Auger;Zenith has plenty of anime tiddies, and Doug Huggem.

doom?

more like doombo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sl-s6d6_NU

What sector lighting do you use in gzdoom and why

Huh?

>>9888895
What the fuck did you do?
Also
>MY OWN CLONE!!

>>9886913
More than one person considers the inexplicable lack of muzzleflashes a flaw with Quake 2, anon.
I love Quake 2, but that part was always fucking bad.

>>9888901
Apparently you can throw other one if the meter is full, bit tricky since you have to be fast as fuck.

>>9888895
>>9888901

>>9887112
Various anons.

>>9887127
>snowballed
Hot.