/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9888543
>I am a zoomer
stopped reading there lol

>>9888543
>Clunky as fuck
Old games often feel "clunky" because you're used to modern games which all control the same. Back in the 90s you had to adapt to different controls for nearly every single game. For games such as the classic Resident Evil trilogy you also have to adapt to stuff like fixed camera angles too.
Anyway, glad you enjoyed the game.

>>9888543
>But by the ending I was feeling really sad, to the point I am scared of going to Legends 2 with the knowledge that will be it, forever.
That's how you know a game has soul.

You DID do the hentai magazine side quest, right?

>>9888547
tank controls are clunky, doesn't matter how you try to cope with it. at least the game alleviated it somewhat with the instant 180.

Should I play n64 version or psx version?

>>9888580
Playstation. N64 version has low-res textures and voices, and slowdown. I think some content was also removed.

OP, try Misadventures of Tron Bonne too. It's a glorified minigame collection but it's solid and more MML.

>>9888580
I played Mega Man 64 as a kid. I own the PSN version on my Vita as well. You will probably have the same experience with either version.

>>9888580
OS has bigger textures, but no aliasing and has the typical incorrect perspective, making textures shake and deform.
N64 has no loading times, stable textures albeit blurrier, and worse draw distance on open areas.
PC version is the best, but has glitch cutscenes.

>>9888580
It was quite literally designed for the PSX.

>>9888543
Hardcore Mega Man fan here. Fuck Legends, it fucking sucks and is NOT Mega Man.

>>9888547
Tank controls were always clunky, cope harder. I never got into the RE games as they were new due to it. Couldn't enjoy one till 4 came out.

>>9888583
>OP, try Misadventures of Tron Bonne too. It's a glorified minigame collection but it's solid and more MML.
It blew my mind coming back to this game and finding out it has a huge dungeon level. As a kid I think I remember starting that level up, walking around outside, then exiting. It never occurred to me that the door would be unlocked so I never tried again.

It was one of my favorite games as a child and I had extremely fond memories. That dungeon is a massive portion of the game and everything is built around it and I somehow managed to completely miss it.

Going back to it made me love it even more because I ended up getting the full experience instead of playing only about half of the game.

>>9888617
>hardcore fan here
Anything you say can be discorded. Anyone who is a hardcore fan of anything is delusional and has their head stuffed up their ass.

>>9888617
It has been 25 years anon. Le evil 3D stealing muh megaman isn't a concern anymore, and there have been more disruptive things released as mainline rather than this spin-off.

>>9888619
>Couldn't enjoy one till 4 came out
Anon, RE4 has the same exact controls as RE1-3 except for aiming, the movement controls are the exact same. RE4 uses tank controls, the only difference is the camera. If tank controls are clunky then RE4 is clunky

>>9888617
Panteón, it's not 2001 anymore, fuck off.

>I am a Zoomer that played Boomer game
>Validate meeee!
Why are they always, ALWAYS like this, coupled with the Reddit-tier theatrics blog OPs?

>>9888617
As a hardcore megaman fan I hated Legends since it came out. Then I gave it another chance as an adult and it's downright one of the most fun games in the franchise as a whole, without replacing any of the classics.

>>9888543
Yeah its clunky but that should be expected from games from this era. You don't go watch movies from the 50s and whine about them being in black and white do ya?
Anyways, yeah it's a great game. Glad you enjoyed it, I especially liked the interconnected underground area and the light RPG mechanics to upgrade Megaman. Insanely charming game and the visuals hold up insanely well for an early 3D title. I found the 2nd title to be a little less enjoyable for me as it feels like they ramped up the difficulty a bit to compensate for the "better" controls. And there's a lot more tedium like that fucking underwater ruin. Fuck that goddamn place.

>>9888632
No u
>>9888635
It's not the 3D. It's everything. It's just not Mega Man. Doesn't feel like Mega Man. The story is fucking retarded. It's just shit.
>>9888654
No u
>>9888676
In truth, I've tried. I've tried anon. I just can't. It's not Mega Man.

Legends 2 isn't nowhere near as good as 1.
>no interconnected ruins
>no comfy kattelox island
>megaman sounds like a faggot

Legends is one of a kind.
Not a single moment in 2 could top the lake ruins and especially the clozer woods sub gate.

>>9888587
I would strongly suggest a a PSX emulator with perspective correction enabled. I was an adult during the era and I couldn't stand the PSX wobble.

>>9888617
>Hardcore Mega Man fan here
>plays only X garbage and MM2

>>9888819
It's no less Megaman than Mario RPG being a Mario game. Come on anon.
>>9888820
The grinding and the hardware slowdown from the underwater ruin fuck up Legends 2 and makes it eternally inferior to 1. Shame though, it was still a nice adventure.

>>9888543
Most people don't realize you can just press circle+any direction to snap the camera in that direction. Mastering this makes movement through the game feel great. The movement itself basically just feels like WASD but with a d-pad. Really not a problem. Mega Man Legends does not have tank controls.

Legends 2 however sneakily hides modern controls in the settings menu. Control scheme 4 maps all key actions to the shoulder buttons, allocates the left stick to movement and the right stick to the camera - it feels perfect. Legends 2 is also a showcase for the PlayStation. The opening sequence is entirely realtime and shows off high resolution textures, clever camera set ups, tons of effects, swaps seamlessly between scenes. I wonder how difficult it was to set all this up.

>>9888849
I prefer the classic series and my favorite game is MM3. I am not crazy about X series besides the first two to be honest.
>>9888851
It is absolutely less a Mega Man game than Mario RPG is Mario. It has zero resemblence to the classic series besides names and the appearance of the protagonist, how is that the comparison you came up with?

>>9888545
t. zoomer insecure about his age
aka 99% of /vr/

>>9888868
>It has zero resemblence to the classic series besides names and the appearance of the protagonist
That's the definition of a spinoff, which is what Legends is.

>>9888543
Is nobody going to mention it's not the end!
https://youtu.be/73oMmROyCOg

>>9888819
Judging by how every justification you make for your shit opinion is
>it's not the original mega mans!
>it's everything
>it's retarded!!!!
We can safely assume you are a manchild. You can say you don't like it, you can say you don't like the genre it's in. But you are arguing a very specific and borderline childish point which is that it's "not megaman". We can safely assume you are the worst kind of autist.

>>9888819
The story was incredibly mistranslated by Ocean Group who had no prior experience with Mega Man and all connections to Mega Man X were either renamed or outright removed, the most eggregious one being "Irregular" changed into either "malfunction" or "Aberrant Unit" instead of "Maverick". The story was the culmination of the dangers of technology and a phyrric victory to Sigma in regards to Reploid potential and evolution.

>>9888915
>incredibly mistranslated
It's a great translation in its own right, but like you said it doesn't use the nomenclature of previous Mega Man translations

>>9888920
It's a good job, the voice acting for the era in specific, but due to branding the character of Rock Volnutt becomes MegaMan Volnutt, forcing an explanation of why the 14 year old apprentice of a seasoned archeologist would have such a dumb name in the sequel. It's also funny you can tell how quick some cleanup was done (Capcom barely gives time and budget when it comes to Mega Man, so that checks out, just look at Battle Network) with every non-HUD instance of the Mega Buster being mislabelled "MegaMan Buster", as "Rock" was essentially replaced with "MegaMan" on Microsoft Word on the quick.

>>9888915
>all connections to Mega Man X were either renamed or outright removed
The X-Buster's remains are still present IIRC.

>>9888926
But Z-Saber was hilariously mistranslated to Zetsabre. Not as bad as BN4's Z-Saver, I guess.

>>9888926
Oh that's a funny one. IIRC the translation treats it like a toy ("Batteries not Included"), and so does Jim's dialogue, but in Japanese he says it's some old gun he found where the pirated were excavating.
The porn mag was also changed for an Action Man comicbook.

>muh interconnected ruins

Don't listen to these fags, Legends 2 is even better

>>9888952
I loved Legends 1 a lot, but I never understood this whole narrative Legends 1 is the better game just because it takes place in a single enclosed island and the kekkitor "muh cozy island people" idea, seeing new horizons, exploring themed dungeons, travelling the world will always be better.

>I am a zoomer
Post discarded.

Legends sucks ass js

>>9888543
am I the only one that things MML should have waited for the dreamcast

>>9888980
>js
zoomer opinion discarded

>>9888983
yes

2 is a big downgrade that I never finished it. I would definitely play 1 all over again though

>>9888543
Go play Tron Bonne and then Legends 2 and close this thread. If you take seriously whatever you read on /v/ or /vr/ you will probably never enjoy a game ever again.

>>9888915
To this day I still stand firm that Legends is another timeline. Each timeline has a Willy and Legends has its own Willy (chill guy who sells boats).
With OG being Light makes Robots and Network being Light makes the Internet, I stand that Legends is a timeline where Light gets involved in Civil Engineering/Infrastructure/Vehicles

>>9889981
Rockman 11 Production Book confirms otherwise.
As the Halcyon Days in the Japanese title implied, it's just really far into the future, 80XX, like Turn-A Gundam.

Makoto Yabe also had confirmed Zero and ZX were being written with Legends in mind, it's why Ciel's system results in the Quantum Refractor in Z4.

>>9888580
with some exceptions like rayman 2, most multiplats games of the time were better on the psx

>>9890290
Rayman 2 on PSX has much more soul than N64

>>9890303
i might agree because of the 2D prototype, but most of the other versions of the game are a superior experience

Does this belong in the SOUL hall of fame?

>>9888569
>tank controls are clunky, doesn't matter how you try to cope with it.
it works perfectly fine in the context of those games. They are intuitive. Is a racing game clunky because of inertia and not having the ability to turn on a dime? Not every game is elevated by modern control schemes.

I still think the big turning point for me really enjoying this game was realizing you don't need to bother putting points into rapid on the Buster, as just holding square and tapping forward lets you fire really fast.

fuck these balloon assholes.

>>9888569
>tank controls are clunky
prove it

>>9889981
Ishikawa said it's literally a distant future and used Gundam analogies like Turn-A as an example.
Another example is Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom, which funny enough, directed by another Capcom developer.

>>9891448
The art in the museum in legends 1 looks almost BOTW-esque. Or something, idk.

>>9888547
Tank controls are just awful in 99% of games and just make movement feel slow and drawn out

>>9888650
Re4 didn't have tank controls though. MML1 did and it was the best implementation of tank controls of all time

>>9891714
>Re4 didn't have tank controls though
You can't go in arbitrary directions

>>9889981
Nah it's far future og/x universe. Only the battle shitwerk games are on their own timeline

>>9888662
They are shitty mini-adults, hyperfocused on social standing rather than personal development and enjoyment.
>>9888557
I think this is a very good metric for the elusive concept of "soul" in games. Very nice.

>>9891448
If TotK doesn't end with you fighting Ganondorf on the moon, it's shit and they have the DLC to accomplish this.

>>9890916
Kek these mini games were great. I especially loved the music in the “Beast Hunter” one:

https://youtu.be/7HXZzfZGXlY

This series has always had spectacular music. I guess the Mega Man games in general have always had incredible and memorable OSTs.

Megaman X, Megaman 4, Megaman ZX, Megaman Battle Network 2 and Megaman Legends are the peaks of the series, with Megaman Legends taking first place easily.

>>9891714
It's the contrary, RE4 does and MML doesn't. You can strafe in any direcition instantaneously in MML. Try that with a tank.

>>9894895
Zoomer-kun, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand what "tank controls" meant in reference to video games. They are specifically games where you rotate your character using L/R while using the dpad for motion ala re123&cv

>>9888543
Honestly can't believe a zoomer actually enjoyed this game. I thought it was a steaming pile of goat shit back then, and still do

>>9895029
>while using the dpad for motion

That doesn't even mean anything

>>9895046
>>9895029
I mean here you are, thinking you're le old smart guy, and use a description "d-pad for motion" that applies to most type of controls. Genius.

imagine being a zoomer and admitting it.

millenial chads, do you still play megaman?

>>9895078
I guess the PC version of Resident Evil 1/2/3 don't have tank controls then, since you can use keyboard instead of "d-pad for motion"

kill carbons. behead carbons. roundhouse kick a carbon into the concrete. kick a carbon baby into the trash can

>>9888543
So you saw what happened years after Zero then.

>>9888547
the tank controls of MML actually make it more fun I think. If you could just whip around and aim perfectly the entire challenge of navigating those dark tunnels and managing enemies would be so easy it wouldn't even be fun.

I think the slow turn speed of tank controls is an integral part of gameplay balance for these old shooters.

>>9891714
RE4 had tank controls, the perspective just changed.

>>9895578
This is my opinion as well. A good successor to MML would need improved tank controls not modern controls, you are playing as a heavy blocky robot.

>>9888557
not OP but entirely agree. This is how you know the creators had love for their work. They loved and lived these characters.

>>9895052
>>9895046
>Nooo you can't just move your character with the dpad while rotating them with the shoulder buttons noooooo
Zoomer cope

>>9895586
It literally did not. Unless you changed your control scheme to turn Leon with the shoulder buttons you did not play re4 with "tank controls". And even then, that designation only properly applies to fixed perspective games like early RE and Coffee Veronica. MegaMan Legends 1 is more of a modified tank control setup as the camera follows your rotation. RE4 is nothing of the sort. Or are you going to argue that GoldenEye has tank controls as well?

>>9895558
Rape

>>9897629
in goldeneye you can aim while moving genius

>>9898627
You actually can't, zoomer-san. You have to stop and hold R to aim in goldeneye

>>9895029
>rotate your character using L/R
Excuse me?

I hope AI can make good low poly 3D soon, they are my only Legends 3 hope.

Don't do it, OP. The series ends on a hangover, and Capcom told us it's OUR fault they canceled the 3rd game that nobody knew was even in development to begin with.

>>9888569
>>9888619

Press forwars to move forward
Press left to turn left
Press right to turn right

If you think this is "clunky" then you're journalist-tier at video games and DSP-tier at life.

>>9888820
>Megaman sounds like Sailor Jupiter
Ftfy

>>9888569

>>9891714
>>9897629
>Re4 didn't have tank controls though
Yes it did. If your character spins around in place when you hold right, it's tank controls. A game that doesn't have tank controls would have your character running towards the right of the screen like in SM64 for example.

>>9899584
I must be super smart, it's easy as hell to play classic RE games.

It's not MML's controls that are a problem, it's the feedback. When you're holding the fire button, while moving (like when fighting a boss for example), Volnutt's shooting animations will fight against the running animations. When you stop moving and then start to move while firing, you'll notice that the character finishes the current shot animation and then "snaps" out of his current position to move, like his feet are covered in glue or something. You can easily notice this by watching how much faster he shoots when standing still compared to shooting on the move. Combine this with the fact that these animations also fight against the camera panning controls (which are superior to the locking system and basically a requirement if you want to land your shots on moving enemies), and you have a really annoying problem.

It's even worse when you walk backwards while firing - Volnutt will stop firing altogether to run towards the camera, and will only continue to shoot when you actually stop, because Capcom programmers forgot to make an animation where he runs while shooting behind him. I absolutely loved the game and have no issue with tank controls whatsoever, but this is the one glaring issue about MML that I remember to this day. Megaman games that came immediately before it are smooth as butter.

>>9899645
Sounds like a user issue.

>>9899753
After finishing the game with almost exclusive use of the buster in various configurations and all side quests completed (which was still pretty easy) the jank was still noticeable. Like I said it's a great game but I won't pretend it's flawless.