/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9849375
That looks awful. My composite only shitbox looks 10x better than whatever the hell that is.

Do people genuinely and wholeheartedly think this looks good?

>>9849427
>Do people genuinely and wholeheartedly think this looks good?
No. Odds are this is a false flagging thread made by the people who shit themselves and get into frothing rages over CRTs. For some reason /v/ is filled with them, and they bleed over into /vr/ too.

>>9849389
>>9849427
>>9849436
It’s a very zoomed in photo. There’s advantages and disadvantages to both kinds of screens

>>9849436
>Projection: The Post

OP made me decide to play MMX

>>9849880
Nice scanlines and colors, must be an RGB monitor.

>>9849436
>false flagging thread made by the people who shit themselves
basically this cause If im not mistaken I saw like 2 threads the other day complaining or trying to convince /v/ posters emulating scanlines was better than an actual crt experience

>>9849427
>>9849436
Capcom did.

>>9849389
poorfag cope

Those scanlines look like guitar strings

>>9849436
Someone needs to explain to me, why on 4chan at least, zoomers get genuinely angry over people using CRTs with their old consoles. It's too common and too regular of an occurrence to be just one person.

>>9850093
Children raised on emulators.

>>9850075
This looks orders of magnitude better than the OP picrel

>>9850114
Because you're retarded and don't realize OP's pic is taken with his nose against the glass, when you step back a few feet, it looks amazing.

>>9850093
rent free

>>9849375
is this a lotte's filter?
I like it. different look than the regular scanlines

>>9850171
A what? That picture is a CRT.

>>9850171
Real Hardware, filters cant even come close.

>>9850179
kinda sus, looks like an LCD picture using a filter

>>9850183
No it doesn't.

>>9850183
LCDs with scanlines cant "bloom" the brighter parts, notice how the scanlines are thinner around the hands. LCDs look flat, colorless, shitty and blurry compared to a good CRT monitor.

>>9850093
Sour grapes.

>>9849375
Thread's off to a good start, I see.

shielded speakers are pretty neat. these are the ssb-150h but I wish I had the larger 350h

>>9850120
well let us see what OP's monitor looks like from about the same distance

MY INA IS AMAZING
SHE DID IT!

>>9850093
>Someone needs to explain to me why zoomers get genuinely angry

This is a phenomena that is widespread and across nearly any hobby. They've grown up their whole lives programmed to believe there is a scientific objective answer for everything. They lack the ability to theorize or think abstractly. Not all of them, but many are extremely dogmatic zealots when it comes to things that are observational in nature.

Every single thing that has subtlety or nuance with no clear objective answer makes them violent... because every time something like this comes up it is proof against the fake reality of absolute objectivity they've been programmed into believing.

>CRTs can't have aspects that are better than modern TVs
>Vinyl Records can't have aspects that are better than digital formats
>Tube Guitar Amps can't have aspects that are better than computer plug ins
>Combustion Engines can't have aspects that are better than EVs
>That 50 year old vacuum cleaner can't be better than this Dyson

I could spend hours outlining why the flexibility in resolution and aspect ratio without scaling is such a big deal, I can go on and on about motion and black smear, I could tell you how much better CRT gamma curves are and how important that is to how an image looks... they don't care. They're in a cult and they don't realize it.

>>9850409
Mate, your speakers are bigger than the TV

>>9850093
Contrarianism
It’s an epidemic on this site
People see something get popular and they have to shoot it down

>>9850206
>lcds look blurry compared to CRTs because CRTs can blur the image with bloom
the fuck are you on

>>9850491
>Vinyl Records can't have aspects that are better than digital formats
this one is 100% correct

post your tate setup

>>9850504
>this one is 100% correct
Based on what? Signal to noise ratio and some rapid fire AB tests? Sorry I don't #trustthescience. Just like the CRT debate, I don't need some nerd to try and convince me that what I hear is color or noise added by an inferior technology. Sure man, say that all you want, I just know that cymbals sound more accurate and realistic on analog masters and vinyl. I know that scrolling is smoother and sprites look better on a CRT.

>>9850503
Bloom is not blur, ESL. I was talking about how scanlines look on a CRT because of the effect.
And here's how every LCD looks at 60hz in motion.

>>9850503
He's talking about the difference of beaming light vs LCD pixels displaying an image

>>9850206
Wrong.

>>9850491
>Tube Guitar Amps can't have aspects that are better than computer plug ins
this one's true, if you discount opinion

>>9850618
is there a website that lets you do this rtings test? i know about the ufo already. i've been meaning to test my tv, because it's an lcd but i haven't been able to see any motion blur on it where i can with other lcds.

>>9851017
newer TVs have pretty good response times.

>>9850062
I mean...are they wrong?

>>9851221
Yes.

>>9850491
Personally I just find that the things that a crts provides can be replicated to a moderate degree with lcd and a rather accurate degree with oled. Things have come a long way with filters and the light and darkness levels of modern monitors, the only real selling point I see with crts now is nostalgia as well as case aesthetics. Combine all of that with a modern monitors longer service life, price and crts slowly dwindling supply of replacement parts I just think that oled is atleast the superior choice. I get that not everyone agrees, but I have used both and I don't feel that much difference once the monitors filter and colour settings have the right parameter in place

>>9850182
>filters cant even come close.
Actually delusional
CRT Royale Kurozumi is the same shit
Thick scanlines are an artifact btw and you're a retard if you like them

>>9850206
Bloom is garbage and a shit part of CRTs
You're not meat to have visible blank scanlines
Consumer CRTs(200-300 TVL) didn't show them since they actually more or less matched the horizontal resolution(about 293 lines of horizontal resolution)

>>9850990
That looks like shit.

>>9851328
>Consumer CRTs(200-300 TVL) didn't show them since they actually more or less matched the horizontal resolution(about 293 lines of horizontal resolution)
Explain why my consumer TV has visible scanlines then

>>9851323
every time i see some retard say crt royale looks like a real crt, i know they're just some retarded zoomer or third worlder who has never seen a crt

>>9851458
not that anon but how big is your TV
also most consumer sets are 300-400

>>9851541
25 inches

>>9851557
yeah, that's mostly why
the raster scanlines are farther apart usually on bigger TV's

>>9851564
and btw that anon is full of shit

>>9850491
I don't even use CRTs myself I just enjoy reading about them, but I don't get the seethe either. What I think happens, and you see this on /g/ all the time with, for example, all the unironic windows threads now is the following:

-Majority of board likes X
-Troll threads start about X because it's easy (you)
-This stirs everyone up into a frenzy, more and more troll and anti X troll threads start
-Eventually some people see so many of the troll threads that over time they start to believe it

Now you've got people who were essentially long term trolled into genuinely believing and fervently defending the other side. What's that saying, any group that pretends to be idiots long term eventually turns into them?

>>9849375
CRTfags should be put, appropriately, behind bars.

>>9851592
3rd world brownoid cope

>inb4 ewwwe lines too thick
nobody asked faggot

>>9851616

>verification not required

>>9851616
>you can almost tell what's happening on screen
Disgusting. Only TRUE crt conossieurs are allowed in this thread you ignorant slut.

>>9851618
presentation in these games is so indescribably kino

Anyone else here have issues picking up CRTs when you have dandruff?
I tried wearing a hat, but it didn't work. I'm thinking of m,maybe bringing a hair net and saying I'm just coming off work.

>>9851330
My shit camera doesn't help, but the point is it's doing what the other guy said it was impossible. Anyway it's not as good as a real CRT

>>9851703
What?

>>9851703

>>9851509
>or third worlder who has never seen a crt
whoa there, third world is full of CRTs

>>9851328
>Bloom is garbage and a shit part of CRTs
Bloom is caused by the intensity of the beam spot itself...
>You're not meat to have visible blank scanlines
...and ironically for you, only Professional CRTs or very High-end models can control the beam to not have excessive bleeding, causing more visible scanlines.

>>9850491
>CRTs can't have aspects that are better than modern TVs
You're a bit of a schizo, but this point reminded me of some deranged guy I saw once going on a rant about how people are crazy for choosing CRTs over modern panels, saying that it looked like shit in every way imaginable, and even that the sound was trash compared to modern displays. He even talked shit about shaders saying people were crazy for trying to emulate the look of old technology.

>>9851241
Nostalgia and aesthetics are definitely the biggest factors, but it's also much cheaper to get some random CRT for a dedicated retro setup than an OLED.

But still, the main reason I'll never get rid of my CRT monitor is the motion clarity. There's just nothing like it, not even OLED.

Going to take the case off this old chink CRT and give it a wash since it smells like complete ass. Feeling a bit tempted to test my skills and airbrush it as well since the silver paint looks pretty dilapidated. I'm thinking maybe hotwheel flames or an animal pattern. Give me some retarded ideas

>>9851959
put a retro-styled troll face on it

>>9851921
Good points.

I'm happy to see that modern panels are catching up in some aspects though. I can't have a CRT on my setup due to space issues, and OLED + HDR at least can make CRT shaders look pretty close to the original thing. CRTs are all going to die eventually so I hope the tech fully catches up by then.

If I have an old GPU that can do 480i, do I need a transcoder to hook it up to a CRT television or will a VGA to S video adapter work fine?

Anyone know what the difference between Original/Unfiltered/Filtered are in wii emulators like FCEUGX/SNES9XGX etc? I have an HD CRT that I want to mainly use for wii/gc and am just trying to get the best look possible out of emulating anything older. The tv doesn't support 240p (automatically scales to 480i) so I just set it to 480p mode to double the lines but am not sure what to put for the filters.

>>9851618
What is this CRT?

>>9852401
JVC DT-V1710CG

>>9852130
if it's putting out 480i in RGB you need a transcoder, if it's putting out 480i in s-video then you need an adapter, and probably a very specific adapter or a breakout board because that's a non-standard use of a vga port. So you'll need to figure out what pins the luma and chroma are on.

>>9842737
>>9846628
>>9846629
Anon who obsessed over AG-500 from last thread. I have gotten hold of the hunk of junk because I am a masochist and now I want to get round to actually playing games on it. Only issue is I do not know where to start. My library of games are on emulator so I would like to feed video from my computer to the crt directly. Now I have heard that the signal will need to be downscaled to do so and I have been looking around but I can't seem to find a downscaler that can take hdmi signal and downscale it to a composite signal. What device or process would I have to do to achieve this?

>>9852570
my son you got the microwave now you are ready for the toaster oven

>>9852570
But a converter on Amazon

>>9852632
Something like this? Wont I still need to downscale the signal

>>9852625
It is seriously uncanny how much that looks like a toaster oven, what model is it and where can I buy one?

>>9852692
Forgot link
https://www.amazon.com/Converter-Composite-Adapter-Supports-Chromecast/dp/B08CH91V1W/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3EH12OFT4R4PP&keywords=hdmi+to+composite&qid=1682455986&sprefix=hdmi+to+comp%2Caps%2C199&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExTDhSNlZNSDhJNk1WJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNDM5MzI1MUtRUUZTTFFaOEY2VyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMjE3NjgxMVVXRVg4SUZTWk9UUCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

>>9852570
>>9852625
Holy shit whats with CRTs and oven designs?

>>9852696
found the pic on offerup
it's a Trinitron KV-1201 12 inch screen

>>9852710
Appliances and fixtures typically have the same design, depending on the trends of the day. Like the times when everything had wood grain. Now i's the same - everything is sleek, with chrome or piano black color.

>>9852712
You sure about that? That screen does not look like 12 inches unless that is some massive car

>>9852732
not at all, I just took the listings word for it
it probably is 9 inches on a second glance

>>9852570
games are gonna look like flickery garbage because any converter you use will be 480i, you need a way to output 240p.

>>9852698
learn how to shorten a link you dumb motherfucker

all of you fucking morons who don't know shit should stop buying crts

>>9850618
Fuck, I had a pretty decent 60Hz LCD screen which was way better than your pic, but it broke and now I'm stuck with a worse one. You can "get used" with that blur, but it would be so much better without it.

>>9852291
I once had a CRT HDTV with a Wii hooked up to it. I remember enabling a simple scanline filter (literally just 100% black lines) and it legitimately looked like 240p. Maybe try that out?

>>9851509

Wow this faggot thinks hes got some super rare expensive tech on his hands, not some old piece of shit that is everywhere in 3rd world shitholes

>>9851509
highly ironic post

>>9852871
hm seems like none of the filters in any of the emulators seem to produce any scanlines. idk what the issue could be

>>9853029
RetroArch could do it using overlays, is all I remember.

The NTSCfag quivers with fear at the sight of the mighty SCART connector

>>9852961
>>9852978
you fags live in the past if you think south americans are still emulating on crts

>>9853049
It does have its issues though

>>9851703
Thank you for being so consistent over the years, dandrufffag

I’ll outline to best way to connect your pc to any old standard definition tv, because it confuses everybody. You need a way to put out an analog (vga) signal, and you need software to output 240p. This can easily be done with an old graphics card or a DisplayPort adapter. The software is hit or miss, but for Linux it’s surefire and easy - on windows you just have to pray that your drivers don’t forbid you from doing it, or spend a while figuring out workarounds. Once you have 240p on vga, find a transcoder to your desired output. Rgb is the easiest, component is not so hard, then for composite and svideo it’s doable but I am not familiar with any reliable devices to do it.

>>9853294
plus an rf modulator if the tv's rf only

>>9852830
Who pissed in your ceral?

I saw this about 45 minutes away. Dell Trinitron P991 for $50. Thoughts?

>>9854206
Yes.

>>9854206
get it bitch
I don't understand why big VGA monitors are so elusive in my area, I just want a decent 22" one and I'd never need another CRT

>>9854320
>I don't understand why big VGA monitors are so elusive in my area,
It's normal, >20" CRTs are rare everywhere. For a good reason, they were really expensive and are incredibly sought after now.

>>9854320
I missed out on a Dell P1130 a couple days ago that was 86 buckaroos. I'm guessing some faget redditor got it. now a guy on FB marketplace is selling a P992 for 250 lol

>>9854385
I had a huge Viewsonic that I found for $10 back in 2013, foolishly got rid of it when I moved out from my parents place.
The only VGA CRTs I've found since then have all been found on the side of the road, I don't even see people reselling them in my area.

>>9854392
wow, nostalgia's actually a lie. That fucker was only 17". also check out this 2014 era emulation with fucked scaling.

>>9854385
>incredibly sought after now.
Yes, but also I feel like normal people just discarded most of them now. They treat VGA monitors like thrash, way more than CRT TVs, since at least you can watch TV with those.

I really want a GOOD VGA monitor but it's basically impossible to find them now.

>>9854715
pretty much anyone with them now knows what theyre worth. I dont get how people find amazing finds from people throwing shit out. i have never once seen anything good from the local marketplaces, just really poorly kept and ran through garbange

>>9854392
>>9854715
>>9854720
I own 3 ~21 inch VGA CRTs, I got into CRTs in 2018. Every single one of them is a third-hand unit. Already 5 years ago most of the high-end CRT supply was in the hands of to some degree CRT hobbyists.

>>9854206
It's worth it but be aware these can suffer from the brightness issue that you need a special cable to correct. Monitor also looks very banged up.
This buy would all depend on your technical know-how imo.

>>9854786
Addendum to this post: tbqh for $50 it's worth it even if it has the brightness problem or goes dead on you in a short time. It's just a rare monitor you won't come across for that price often anymore.

>>9851509
Anon, would you be open to the notion that you are in fact very wrong about CRT-Royale? Are you willing to discuss?

can someone post the LOOKIN SHARP donkey kong country picture? thanks

>>9854796
NTA, but filters always dim the picture too much, so it's nowhere as vibrant and colorful as a real CRT. Also, motion will look horrid on any flat panel (except Plasma).

>>9851458
You have a higher resolution set that was produced later
Probably a 400 to 500 line set

>>9851885
Bloom is an artifact

>>9851885
>only Professional CRTs or very High-end models can control the beam to not have excessive bleeding, causing more visible scanlines.
The blank scanlines are caused because these professional CRTs typically have high TVL(500 to 1000 lines)
There do exist however 250-300 TVL PVMs which don't show them at all

>>9851509
CRT Royale =/= CRT Royale Kurozumi

>>9854908
>filters always dim the picture too much
They don't
You just don't have a bright enough monitor to do them justice.
CRT Phosphor shines at over 10000 nits for a very brief period(a few microseconds to a millisecond) and Electron Gun itself is much higher than that.

An HDR supported CRT shader like Sony Megatron looks very similar to a BVM and you can also force HDR on CRT Royale or CRT Royale Kurozumi if you have a bright enough monitor(>1000 nits HDR LCD Monitor)

You're also ignoring the fact high line BVM CRTs are less bright than mid-tier consumer sets
Pic related BVM-D32E1WE vs Philips 28PT4458/01
Notice how much darker the BVM is?
Even with CRTs there is a trade-off between high resolution sharpness and brightness

>>9854908
>>9854945
Source for the pic btw
http://seiyuu.info/bvm_d32_review/page18.php

>>9854945
>CRT Royale =/= CRT Royale Kurozumi
both shit

>>9854959
They are both great and highly accurate but keep seething that you have a shitty $200 Walmart screen that can't do them justice

>>9854945
>You're also ignoring the fact high line BVM CRTs are less bright than mid-tier consumer sets
I'm aware, tighter pitch and beam spot = less energy to emit light.
The D32 is an edge case though, any other PVM/BVM is calibrated to the 100cd/m2 spec, and 70cd/m2 is plenty bright for a 32" screen.
And if the point you're trying to make is that a flat panel with scanlines/filters can look just as vibrant as a real CRT, you're completely wrong, specially against cheap consumer CRTs.

>>9854889

>>9854206
I miss mine so bad. I'd trade one of my PVMs for it any day.

>>9853049
NTSCfag here. I use SHART for all my consoles. Though I might replace them with BNC cables since I have to use an adapter anyway.

>>9854889

>>9854993
>keep seething
sounds like that's what you're doing because you don't have a real pvm, lmao

your shit filters don't come close

>>9854995
>And if the point you're trying to make is that a flat panel with scanlines/filters can look just as vibrant as a real CRT
Use the Sony Megatron Shader PVM 1910 Shader(350 line PVM) on a >1000 nit 4K LCD Monitor and you'll pretty much get identical results
Motion is still shit without BFI but that's a separate discussion

I can't wait until we get >12000PPI MicroLED and QDEL screens one days
We won't even need shaders at that point
Goodby shitty screendoor effects, goodbye shitty meme blank scanlines

>>9855090
PVMs are garbage for retro

>>9855251
>PVMs are garbage
>My filter looks just like a PVM

hahahaha, this cope

>filters
How is this even a debate? They do nothing about the sample&hold motion blur. Can't imagine unironically playing anything on a sample&hold display, filters or not, retro or not.

>>9855251
If they're so garbage, how come all my video games look amazing on mine?

>.t proof: my ass
get your eyes checked out

>plug gamecube composite cables into my old trinitron
>it obviously looks better than my LCD
>too heavy to carry to my house from my mom's house
What routine should I follow to be able to lift a 230 pounds CRT?

>>9855375
>230lbs
How fucking big is that thing? Gotta be over 40 inches if it weighs that much.

>>9855387
The 40 inch is 300 pounds. The 36 inch is 230 pounds. I actually have the 32 inch which is only 180 pounds. I should man up.

>>9855387
That’s the weight of a 36”

Anyone have experience disabling velocity modulation/edge enhancement on Sanyo sets, specifically a DS24425? The right side of the neck board has a cable going from there to near the flyback and a cable going from the left side of the neck board to the left side of the motherboard where Toshiba sets usually have a cable for VM/EE.

>>9855613
Here’s the connector for the left cable

>>9855294
But it does look like a PVM/BVM
It's not my thing but you BVMNiggers can emulate a BVM with Shaders

>>9855316
I don't know, maybe you just have shit taste and want your 240p games to look like on Emulator with 100% scanlines enabled?

>>9855309
>They do nothing about the sample&hold motion blur.
Good thing they never claim to do anything about that, you retarded shitposter

>>9855731
>I don't know, maybe you just have shit taste and want your 240p games to look like on Emulator with 100% scanlines enabled?
I'm a boomer. I've played games on CRTs from the 80s through the 2000s. Played on LCDs, plasmas, OLEDs, DLPs, etc. I've used every connection/signal type known to man. RF, composite, component, RGB SCART, s-video, VGA, HDMI, you name it. I say with no ego or bias, and with complete honesty, that my old games played on my PVM look better than they ever have on any other display type. You are a retard. I pity you.

>>9855740
Don't feed that faggot (you)'s, i'll never understand why the emulator fags go into a CRT thread then get mad that everyone prefers a CRT.

>>9855613
there seem to be a service menu adjustment called VMD6VMG3SSN (VM Delay / VM Gain / Sync Sep Sens). maybe that would affect the VM if you changed the three bits that control VM gain to 000 from 100 (thus the whole thing would become hex 02 binary 0000010). the data sheet for microcontroller/chroma chip (it's combined in this set so no rgb modding as far as i can see, sorry) doesn't provide a pinout, but does say that the chip is capable of VM. looking at the service manual schematic, there is part of the chip that handles VM, outputting to pin 6. the thing is, on that model of tv, that pin isn't connected to anything as far as i can tell. that, and nothing on the neckboard connectors you've pointed out seems to be related to VM. i can only guess that although the chip allows for it, VM isn't actually used on that model of tv, so there's no need to disable it.

>>9855818
I tried setting it to that value and I see a bit of change I think, but it’s not much, thanks for the help though

Michael Jackson's Moonwalker, PAL50, RF, dinged up early 2000s budget consumer CRT. Let me guess, you need more?

>>9855442
Maybe a flat screen

>>9852698
How much lag do these things add?

>>9855925
A fuckton.

>>9855887
Yeah.

>>9855887
>consumer CRT
>can see the scanlines
>NOOOOOO SCANLINES DIDN'T EXIST ON CONSUMER CRTS
i hate those fags so much

>>9856057
Perhaps the reason some people say consumer CRTs don't have scanlines (not counting the really tiny ones that really don't seem to have them even on close inspection) is because the lower TVL count results in more space between the phosphors, which coupled with scanline gaps that are not as wide as on PVMs results in something that resembles a grid that looks coherent and whole at first glance, so while the scanline gaps absolutely are there, to the untrained eye the picture looks whole and undivided simple because there are apparent divisions going both vertically and horizontally. Meanwhile, on a PVM, not only are the scanline gaps wider, but the phosphors are closer together, so you have what look like solid drawn lines with black between them. At least, that's as charitable an explanation as I'm willing to give.

>>9856102
You wrote all that shit, but all I know is I saw scanlines on my old ass family room tvs and that anons pic shows scanlines via RF.

People saying you can't see scanlines on consumer sets are retarded. They were especially easy to see via S-Video.

>>9856141
Ok? I'm not disagreeing, just giving a plausible explanation for why said retards might think as they do. Maybe you don't care to understand why they say the things they say, so whatever.

>>9856167
No I understand TVL counts. You're just explaining a bunch of shit everyone in these threads know, and that still doesnt' explain why they make the ridiculous claim. It's obviously people who've never used a CRT or haven't for a long time.

>>9856171
The people who've never used a CRT are the ones more likely to think they all look like PVMs since that's what gets memed the most by their favorite Jewtubers. I would not dispute much if not most of it does come down to people who simply haven't used one in forever. However, I have encountered some specimens who flat-out deny there are scanlines in a pic of a low TVL CRT when they are clearly there, so eh, maybe there really are grade-A retards around.

>>9856181
Word.

>>9856047
look at the difference in the floor

>>9856235
Can't even see the tiles below the 2nd floor, lol.

>>9856250
he probably just has it too dark

>>9856253
It's RF

>>9849375

>>9856263
yeah and?

>>9849375
.

>>9849375
:O

>>9849375
\o/

>>9849375
..

>>9849375
./.

>>9849375
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>>9849375

>>9849375
../

>>9849375
ooo

>>9849375
..

>>9849375
:)

>>9856102
I can see the scanlines just fine on the consumer set here

>>9856879
Colours look better on left but god damn the noise though

>>9850089
Yeah very poor, instead of getting a consumer set for $0 from the sidewalk he should fork out the cash to get a $0 trinitron from the sidewalk

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>>9856897
Is that emulated or do you just have a very clean composite output

>>9857089
Looks emulated, as you can ssee uneven scaling on Megaman's sprite at >>9856909 and the ugly ass clouds at >>9856910

>>9857106
>uneven scaling on Megaman's sprite
?
Only in emulation would Megamans sprite be pixel accurate

>>9857145
>Only in emulation would Megamans sprite be pixel accurate
I mean uneven scaling, not aspect ratio. Some pixels are larger than others in those images, when they should be uniform. That`s cause by not using integer scaling when emulating, doesn`t happen on consoles

>>9857157
How the cloud should appear, by reference, you can see every pixel is even. It`s hella distorted on >>9856910, some pixels are fat while others are too thin. Just turn on integer scaling when emulating and it should this issue.

>>9857167
>>9857106

>>9855887
>you need more?
Yes, I need love, affection and to feel my life is not a waste. But I never got any of that out of a RF connection. You're wrong.

Will I get the same experience as a PVM by just emulating with a good PC CRT?

>>9857281
PC CRT won't do 240p unless you run 240p@120hz. You'll get thick scanlines but other artifacts from running at 2x the vertical resolution

>>9857301
>vertical resolution
meant vertical refresh rate. You'll get some ghosting when things are in motion. Personally I barely notice it but I have other options that are better.

>>9857301
>>9857307
You can fix the motion by adding BFI with something like RetroArch, but that, of course, will halve the brightness as well. Alternatively you can just use 480p and add simple black scanlines, and it'll look and act exactly the same as 240p+BFI. This >>9850340 was taken using the 480p+scanlines method (plus some added horizontal blur). That particular monitor had a special SuperBright mode that greatly mitigated the loss in brightness, which was a godsend for doing this kind of thing.

>>9851959
Shiny chrome. FUTURE.

>>9849375
Can you see the crt mask while playing or do you have to be very close to see it?

I can't remember seeing shadow masks/slot masks back in the day...

>>9857106
Thanks for the compliment, but no, all of those are my JVC D10 17, lol.

>>9857167
holy shit dude

>>9856897
Is the image that dark in person?

>>9857865
Not at all, I'm pretty close to it with my phone, the phone also doesn't do it justice.

>>9854908
There are solutions to the dimming. Use a display with a higher nits brightness. With an HDR panel you can completely eliminate this issue.

I don't have first-hand experience with the subject but I have read anecdotes from anons having good success with black screen insertion and high refresh rate monitors to mitigate blurring.

>>9856102
The whole idea of visible scanlines is highly dependent on the image being displayed anyway. Any dark gray background in an old game is going to have easily discernible scanlines.

>>9854915
>You have a higher resolution set that was produced later
>Probably a 400 to 500 line set
"Later" in reality being the very late 70s.
Nicer, more expensive CRTs with a little bit higher specs were not as rare as a few anons that frequent these threads seem to think they were.

>>9857301
Fake 240p via tweaked CRT-Royale looks extremely good on a high-end PC CRT.

I picked this up a few months ago. Is it fucked?

>>9858091
needs degausing

if you have a corded drill, put two strong magnets on the end and spin that bitch next to the tv to remove it

cordless won't work

>>9858094
No it doesn't. You can clearly see that the yoke is waaaay out of alignment. Look at how tilted the image is.

>>9856896
>>9856897
>>9856904
>>9856905
>>9856909
>>9856910
Stupid fucking faggots have infested these threads. Your filter is gay.

>>9858118
That's a crt retarded faggot.

>>9858118
Read, faggot! Read!

>>9857680
i remember looking at my tv as a kid and thinking it had a sort of woven pattern to it. usually, you don't see it though.

>>9857680
I remember having to sit close to it to be able to see it.

>>9858118
LMAO, it's no surprise to me at all that people in these threads have no idea what they are talking about. There's a couple of knowledgable anons and then there's just people like you, lol.

>>9857870
I think it looks awesome. Thanks for sharing. I have an older Sony Trinitron that I think will take a S-Video mod. One day...

>>9858347
Glad you like em, I actually play on it quite often. Back in 2013 there was a guy on ebay selling these for $200. They were new old stock, manufactured in 2010. They're excellent monitors, 800 TVL, 17" screen, only downside is it's a flat screen CRT so the geometry isn't perfect, but nothing so bad it bothers me, I don't even notice when I'm playing.

I'm trying to play dos games on a 15khz set for shit and giggles (I am aware that they're supposed to be line doubled and run at 70hz shut up)
I made a 320x200 modeline, but as you'd expect its letterboxed. Is there anything I can change in the modeline to stretch it vertically or do I have to suck it up and adjust it on the crt itself?

is it possible to just rig some kind of other modern power supply to a sony bvm 1310? mine is completely fucked. a transistor burned through the board and corrupted caps through out and other shit.

I tried googling but found nothing.

The board seems intricate but modular to the entire crt, meaning I can disconnect it very easily and connect something else, so I really don't know.

>>9850597
vinyls have a very low quality, can't make certain sounds and the warm sound is caused by abrasion rather than an inherent advantage.
some people could say that they can generate certain sounds (something which can be easily copied to a digital audio format), but that minimal difference mixed with their lower quality, cost, function and audio capabilities make it a format with a lot of troubles, even more because in comparison to digital cds, analog disks don't have information fixing to fix broken sounds, so if they get even a little scratch they fuck completely.
they are toxic on top of that, so having them it's something which will affect you on the future.
all of the old tech that you mentioned that have advantages to modern tech (and they have a lot too), but vinyls in this case have a lot of disadvantages in comparison to other disc based audio formats made from other plastics other than vinyl or tape.
a lot of the issues of vinyl come from the plastic and the fact that noise obstruction is inherent on the grooves thanks to size, other disc records can overcome this by being more durable than vinyl and being bigger so they can overcome the issue of racketing while giving analog audio (which is different but not better than digital).
vinyl was chosen because it was cheap, not because it was of good quality, consumer tape had a much better quality if well cared and other even earlier disc based format had a much better quality too.

>>9858991
have advantages in comparison to modern tech*

>>9858991
I think a genuine advantage of vinyl is that the mixing tends to have a better dynamic range than digital releases because of physical limitations on how loud they can be and such (pic related is an extreme example of this)
of course this completely depends on the engineer and there are still a lot of digital releases that sound excellent
however lately I've been noticing that a lot of vinyl releases are half assed and they simply take the fucked up brickwalled mix that every other release has and turn down the volume

>>9859014
yeah, the problem of this is that you can easily make those ranges on digital releases, the advantage of analog audio really is the sound it makes and how it can portray certain things more accurately rather than mixing, but this dies thanks to vinyl shitty quality which breaks this advantage, which is the reason other analog formats work better than it.

>>9859016
that was my point dude, it CAN be done on digital releases but it often isn't
I prefer digital whenever possible but sometimes you simply have no choice if you care about muh range

>>9859041
yep, sorry for not seeing it.

Are we allowed to talk about VHS here or will the jannies ban me

>>9850093
I'm not a zoomer and I get angry. I don't get why you'd have 50kg monster in your house when shaders and filters in retroarch accomplish the same thing

>>9859224
No, they are not vidya james

>>9849427
Yes.

>>9850093
>zoomers
Brain dead faggots. I wouldn't waste time trying to understand those aphantasic, autistic fucks.

>>9858959
Do you have the diagram for it? You could repair the PSU or make another one yourself with the parts you have left. Some point to point soldering might be necessary if the board is fucked.

>>9859319
They annoy me too but I'll never understand why people get this autistically angry about them. Take your meds.

>>9859349
Yeah I think there is a diagram in the manual pdf I have, but I'm not an EE so was hoping I could just use some kind of server power supply or something.

But also think thats probably not possible because there must be some weird precise power needed for CRT that you can't just give juice too from anything

I dunno Im gonna finna boutta abandon this thing or convert it to LCD. I bought it knowing it wasnt working but having a heatsinked resistor burn a big hole in the board to where you can poke through is daunting.

subscibe to blog for more blog

These threads are pure bait and trolling.

>>9859381
it used to be so amicable
now its just retards making up other retards to get mad at

>>9859381
how so?

>>9849375
this game seems better than i expected.

Any way to output to SCART or convert to SCART from displayport/HDMI without just dumping some old out of production shitbox power hungry DVI GPU into a system?
Ideally it'd be a cable, small box or a USB tier device.

>>9860906
its gonna be much easier and cheaper if you just get a shitass low profile radeon card and a vga to scart converter

>>9858091
you've spammed this image before.
please take your meds

>>9849880
beat it again but over composite. This ikegami bvm has a comb filter switch so I wanted to compare the rgb, composite, and composite+comb filter.
This is composite.

>>9860942
This is composite + comb filter

>>9860942
This one looks definitely better.
I have a crt with rgb, composite and s-video.
for me, s-video looked the best with mmx
rgb was too sharp while composite was too fuzzy.
but the composite in your image looks more closer to an s-video image than composite

>>9854786
I've got a P780 and I've definitely noticed the brightness issue, games with dark areas are impossible to play without turning the brightness up to the point where blacks are washed out. What's the cable that I need to correct it, or would recapping it alleviate the issue?

>>9849375
I have an expensive 4k oled, games look better on my widescreen crt downstairs.

>>9861128
You shouldn't need to recap.
You'll need a DAS cable.
This should help you
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/svpg16/windas_g2_for_dummies_by_a_dummie/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt1NtRH4BOg
https://crtdatabase.com/faq/windas-installation-and-guide

im hoping in 2 weeks time I can get my PVM back up and in working order, albeit because I have to do it myself or I can find someone to fix it.

I RGB modded my 27" Sony. I think it's the way to go, you get the clarity of RGB, but it has less tv lines than a PVM, so it's not super sharp.

>>9861663

They Sony engineers in the 80s are perhaps the best to ever do it

>>9861683
lots of solid wood and metal

>>9861689
This, the 20/25XBR and the kv-1311cr share rgb floppy connectors (although they have different audio pinouts)

>>9861663
This is the best 240p games are going to look imo.

>>9861695
Does anyone know a free camera app on iPhone that controls shutter speed, i haven’t found a good one

>>9861683
>>9861689
If you're talking about design of the TV then you should look into Bang & Olufsen

>>9861701

>monitor's black is too bright even with brightness set to 0
>flyback has only focus knobs

>>9858736
you can mess with the porches

Found a CRT but, it has a shaky image, recapped the power and vertical section still shaky.
Thinking it might be the vertical deflection ic since it probably took a beating from Daewoo capacitors. Also anyone else got ideas?

>>9862546
Be more specific
What do you mean by shaky screen
Does it fix with some percussive maintenance?
Most likely a cold solder joint or loose connection if so
If it’s flickering you probably just need to mess with the vertical position until it stops

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Finally got around to hooking my PVM up to my vcr and watched one of my old tapes from back in 06/07. now pic related was what is wrong with it but after allowing the PVM to warm up and having the tape play a little, it wasnt as noticeable but you could tell it was still there somewhat.

>>9863287
Are you in underscan mode?

>>9862546
Clean the vertical size pot perhaps. The other poster is correct that shaky is too vague to diagnose

Picked up a Toshiba 20af44 a couple days ago. For a long time after I sold off my PVMs and was hesitant to get a consumer set because I thought for sure it would look like shit in comparison. To be honest with you, the difference is not huge, at least comparing component on this thing to RGB on my PVM.

>>9863450
Not sure what to say, the picture isn't fully stable it ever so slightly wobbles..
I still ordered the vertical deflection ic who cares sucker cost me a buck.

>>9863508
Does it wobble left and right or up and down? Does the whole screen wobble evenly or are the edges ragged?

Xevious arcade brochure. Probably from 1982.

>>9863491
that is a model made at the tail end of standard def CRTs, and by that point they got really good at it. A lot of technology advancements

>>9863491
Toshiba literally made arcade monitor tubes for Capcom arcade cabinets. The way you are seeing that game is probably truer to the arcade than it would be on a PVM.
Capcom's (nanao) tubes were even "flat" tubes, although not as flat as a true flat tube like the one in that TV.

>>9863382
I turned it on and off and its hardly noticeable after about 10 minutes of use, I just dont want it to develop into a bigger issue if its one at all. Here are the best pics I could take

>>9864341
this is capacitors

>>9864352
So should I leave it powered off? guess I have some research to do

>>9864360
it looks to me like retrace lines
basically some capacitor being under voltage which causes the gun to misalign the first few scanlines
is there a high pitched hissing sound?
either way, open it up and look for bulged caps or leaking mess

>>9863491
where are you running SFA3?

>>9864423
Looks like his PS2 is on anon

>>9864373
I have a week off from work soon, I'll probably get around to it then.

>>9864097
It slightly wobbles from left and right, edges are fine

>>9864650
Mail-chan is cute! CUTE!

my old setup, before this color scheme was co-opted by...liberal interests

>>9864650

Awww, biffed it

>speakers will resonate/muffle a bit at certain harmonies when louder
>if I turn up the volume in silence, hum aside I will get a 120Hz ticking noise
What's up with that? My TV's all kinds of fucked already anyway, but I'm wondering if I might have done something to it recently (hadn't really noticed it before).

>>9864120
Relevance?

>>9865009
Hum that comes from the speakers that changes with volume is most likely just a grounding issue or potentially sound filter caps or even damaged speakers
Can be simply solved by using external speakers

>>9864868
>>9864870
>>9864858
model?

looks nice

>>9865065
Aight. What's with the ticking? Though I guess pretty much my every cap in the TV is fucked.

>>9865157
Dunno, could be arcing but also could just be the speakers popping

>>9865148
pvm 20m4U

>>9865161
Oooh wait I'm fucking retarded, I didn't mean 120Hz, I meant 120 times a minute.

>>9865174
So it’s popping twice a second?
Same reply anyway

>>9851006
It's a musical instrument anon the only metric for it being good or not is taste.

>>9865234

>>9865237

>>9865239

>>9865240

>>9865242

>>9865246

>>9865247

>>9865248

god i love this autistic ass shit

I grew up with shadow masks. Is there no love for them?

>>9865386
buy one and take pics

>>9865410
After I'm done moving I'll look into it.

PVM 20L5

>>9865636
JVC D10 17

PVM

>>9865636
>>9865637
I prefer the JVC colours
the PVM has a bit too much red

>>9865638
jvc

>>9865640
I can calibrate it, I jsut haven't bothered, I actually have the contrast and brightness a bit lower on both because I don't want to burn them out quickly.

>PVM

>>9865646
JVC

PVM.

>>9865651
jvc

PVM..

>>9865646
pretty sure Sony's have a setting that has a "red push"
you can probably fix it by just disabling that, though I'm sure you like the difference

>>9865658
jvc

>>9865661
Yeah it doesn't bother me at all, you only notice it when comparing it, I'm about 6-7 feet back from the monitor when playing, they both look amazing so I just don't bother.

>>9865664
I notice it because colour accuracy is one of my pet peeves

>>9865667
I know that feeling... I'm the same way with video capture and archiving footage. Doesnt' bother me as much when just casually playing on the tvs.

Chad thread. I miss my projection tv and Toshiba crt with component input

new to crts.
is this trinitron gonna be okay if i attack some speakers to the side of it? pictures great, but left speaker doesnt work.
I was going to just adhere speakers like these onto the side. didnt know if the magnetism would affect the crt at all.

>>9865981
if they're not shielded it will fuck with the tv, find some shielded pc speakers circa 00s

>>9865658
>>9865662
I prefer JVC. They're my favorite. Scanlines are too dark on PVM and they're not as bright.

My TV uses a generic paper cone speaker but the sucker is ripped
Can't find a 3w 8hm speaker but, I can find 4ohm 3w speaker. Should work right? Since 4ohm mean it is easier to drive

what causes scanlines on high end monitors with 240p inputs?

>>9867239
Do you mean “what causes visible blank lines”?
Better focused electron gun usually
There’s visible blank lines on TVs above 18” usually

>>9866417
no it's the opposite. it will draw more current and run the amplifier harder. you'd be better off modding speaker connectors onto the tv and using external 8 ohm speakers

>>9849375
My friend is giving me his widescreen tirnitron and I had an idea. I own a retroid pocket 3, would there be any issues with scaling, image quality, etc. with connecting it to hdmi and playing nes-ps1 era games? Rp3 outputs 720p.

>>9867476
I'm guessing it's a CRT HDTV. Just so you know, those cannot output true 720p. They accept it, but they upscale it to 1080i, so it won't look quite right, and you'll have interlacing on top of that. If you can make the retroid output 480p instead, however, it should look good. In fact, if my experiments with the Wii were any indication back when I had one such TV, adding a regular scanline filter may even make it look very close to proper 240p.

>>9867393
i guess i mean in general but its very visible on pvms

when you play the games on emulator there's no lines, so why do they show up on crts?

>>9867505
because the light from the gun scans across the screen on half of the interlaced lines and it's the whole image
in emulation you are just showing the whole image in one piece in line with the pixels
just think about a beam of light running every second line on a screen

>>9867531
so the tv is at 480i, but the game is 240p, so the tv just displays the game at every other line and the lack of 240 more lines are the gaps?

>>9864373
looks more like foldover than retrace lines, retrace lines are diagonal

sup crt brothers

>>9867572
lookin good

>>9867572
Beauty. This is porn for me.

>>9867545
you're probably right
Either way it's usually a capacitor issue

>>9867572
I can hear this pic

anyone have good recommendations for Scart Cables for the N64?

>>9867915
>SCART for N64
wut?
do you have a RGB modded N64?
The N64 only does composite and S-video and uses the same plugs as the SNES

>>9867939
Nta but scart is just a connector, it supports composite, s-video or RGB

>>9867946
right but it's pointless getting that unless you use RGB when you can just use an adapter

>>9867946
scart doesn't even always support s-video

>>9849375
>Super Sharp Scanlines Edition
Who needs a PVM when you can just get a PSP 3000

>>9867539
pretty much

>>9867979

Currently looking for downscalers to play some modern shit on crt. I hear gbs control can downscale to 240p, but from what I can see the models on aliexpress don't support it. Can anyone point me a unit that can or any alternatives? Preferably vga or composite out

>>9849427
Yes, because you don't play it with your eye 2 inches from the screen. Unless you're some kind of schizo, I guess.

>>9850494
As intended.

Since posting scanlines is cool again, I'll dump all these FF9 pics I took. This game is brutally gorgeous on a PVM. There's so much depth and atmosphere to these backgrounds.

>>9868607
Cleyra and Burmecia had some of my favorite backgrounds in the game. I love how they had shared architecture that was completely different from all the other towns.

All the locations had their own vibes, really. One of the subtle things that really elevates an RPG to the next level, in my opinion.

I'm not sure how long it took them to model these backgrounds, but they're absurdly detailed, especially given that some of them, the average player probably spends a minute or less looking at.

>>9868583
I love the backgrounds that you get to see with/without mist. Wish I had taken pics of it at the top of Lindblum castle.

I'm particularly fond of this home of the old dude who loves coffee and airships. All the coffee-making tools and airship photos and paraphernalia are adorable.

Like this background? Average player probably spends about 45 seconds here, and even less on every other stairway leading up to the top of Alexandria, and you can never revisit. But it's all extremely pretty.

hurrrhurrhur

These are all spoilers for endgame locations, so don't look if you care about that I guess.

If I ever get a 1970s van, I'm having this painted on the side.

>>9868652
I have to replay this game some day. Thanks for the screenshots!

>>9868653
No prob! Glad you enjoyed them. This was actually my first playthrough and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Such a relentlessly charming game.

Just a couple more I like that I missed...

This little bedroom Kuja had for Hilda was super pretty, and you only see it for like 30 seconds while you run through some dialogue, lol.

There's a slim window on disc 3 where you can come back to this location and there's a rainbow here, but Freya has to be in your party. Could have sworn I had a picture of it but I guess not. I love little easter eggs like that, though.

bonus kot pic

I wish you wouldve just taken normal pictures

>>9868740
Sorry, taking pics at a low angle is the only way I've found to avoid flicker and half of the screen blacking out. I've tried different settings and camera apps, but my phone is just kinda shitty.

>>9868786
try opencamera. it specifically has settings to counteract flicker at different frequencies.

>>9867939
I do have an RGB modded N64, I just want to know the best cables to use.

>>9868852
I don't know where the kids are buying their RGB cables from these days, but make sure you get something that's properly shielded is all. If it's cheap, on ebay, from a chinese seller, then pass.

>>9868786
Beautiful stuff, anon. I've never seen a PVM IRL, but I've got a pretty nice consumer Trinitron with RGB. The prerendered backgrounds in PS1 games look stunning on it, I bet they're even better on a PVM.
Do you have Chrono Cross? That game is really beautiful, it'd be great if you could take a few pics of it. From further away, too, if you can solve you camera issues. Use 1/60 shutter speed and try to get the distance/focus right manually, it should help a lot.

>>9868374
Bump

>>9868815
All my shots were taken on OpenCamera, lol. The anti-flicker settings only make it worse, and for every good pic, I get half a dozen that look like picrel.

>>9868925
>Use 1/60 shutter speed and try to get the distance/focus right manually
1/60 is the default shutter speed that all of my photos were taken with.

>>9868925
I actually do have some Chrono Cross pics from when I played it a few years ago. I had a different phone that could actually take photos without needing to be tilted. It's definitely a gorgeous game, but I think FF9 edges it out just a bit, in my opinion.

also, jesus, these pics are huge. Had to resize.