/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263#p9611406

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/vr/image/1681/53/1681537308586.png

=== NEWS ===
[5-1] DNF Restoration goes open-source
https://gitlab.com/team-restoration/duke4-public

[4-28] Eternity Engine goes Multithreaded (beta)
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/135380

[4-25] Duke Nukem 3D mod Legacy Edition 2.0 release on May 19th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOgYz34AvD0

[4-19] What Lies Beneath, 11-maps episode for MBF21 RC1 revealed.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/135165

[4-15] Unreal mod "Steele Dawn" V2 has been released
https://www.unrealsp.org/index.php/articles/reviews/steele-dawn

[4-15] Coincident achieves first ever non-TAS single segment run of Okuplok (ITYTD)
https://youtu.be/4PP6iqrgIM8

[4-12] Re: Mobilize Quake mod announced
https://youtu.be/KZOgpGb6YM0

[4-11] Doomer Boards projects compiled (01-57) (04-11-2023) (With latest fixes to Shatter Realm)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n9j77ptkec5md

[4-10] A 7-map demo of "Of Myth Relinquished" for Heretic is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134628

[4-9] Slayers Testaments for Quake trailer released
https://youtu.be/RkrXeQdQLCs

[4-9] Descent is getting a DXX-based raytraced build
https://youtu.be/Q970jljMTNkembed))

[4-9] The Quake 2 25th Anniversary Collaborative Unit is here!
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/Quake225ACU.zip

[4-6] New E4 inspired episode for Quake
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/the-spiritworld.208/

[4-3] Wad Scorecard v1.6 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/133645

[4-2] Anon shares a map about finding the lost 94 Protons release build
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vww5Y1FKFayLAN3mDGuOdbTg5WMIjZf

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0
TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

doom is kewl

>>9869152
ceci n'est pas un démones, garçon.

any gundam mods for doom?

>>9869163
>guess engine anon
I am a source port that fails to run a 30 year old game at a stable frame rate, what am I?

>>9869152
Okay, are there any Gundam WADs?

>>9869169
>I am a source port that fails to run a 30 year old game at a stable frame rate, what am I?

quakespasm running ad_tears

>>9869168
>>9869170
Just the very old one that has SD gundams for a few enemy types.

>>9869163
q2 bad music wad
base plutonia

>>9869152
10/10 OP pic, GGWP

I really like techbase content in the wads I play.

>>9869182
Playing Hellrider on MAYhem 2048. Really enjoying it so far and I'm a big fan of the bitesize levels.

>>9869164
>>9869168
>>9869170
>>9869175
Damn nerds

>>9869189
meant for >>9867779

I'm also learning how to record gameplay. Want to make a video

>>9869189
2048 units was a really nice wad, I enjoyed that and 512 Linedefs a lot!

>>9869158
NO IT ISN'T

>>9869196
confinement 256, congestion 1024 and claustrophobia 1024 and 1024 2 are great too.

>>9869152
any recommended Blood fan-made mapset, other than Death Wish and 500ml?

>>9869227
Eviction, French Meat 1 for serious business, French Meat 2 for funny business, Way of Ira, Trauma Therapy.

How come Shadow Warrior can't get cool mod stuff like Douk, or a quality map pack experience like Death Wish?

>>9869163
>business sourceports takes worst hdoom

>>9869304
It's not a very popular game.

>>9869190
Posting in a mecha Doom thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6GBRE0WxfE

>>9867779
I'm engrossed with Hexen 2 at the moment.

>>9869304
>>9869317
It’s just not as popular as the other two, and I’m biased with Blood anyways and can’t recall as many custom Duke mappacks.

>get in the gundam, Doomguy

>>9869348
The other two are probably more well rounded for community mapping stuff too.

At least it's not Redneck Rampage though, which hilariously one source port developer thinks is the best Build game.

>>9869338
If you use the disc of repulsion, you can blast those flame trails right back at them.

>>9869361
It's a shame just how ignored the discs get in Hexen games, fuckers are useful.

>>9869163
>nailgun direction retarded

>>9869163
>vile bfg art

owo

>>9869163
>need fun enemy

what are some fun enemies

>>9869220
>t.asspained Wolfenstein fanatic

>>9869420

>>9869420
archviles

>>9869436
give me a doom mod that turns all pinkies into kleers

>>9869445
Here you go. This advanced mod also supports jumping, freelook and more!

Any chance you guys know of a usable sprite for Doom which is a dude made out of fire? I suppose I can dig up Blood's burning man, but I'm not sure it would fit doom's aesthetic. A pretty fun concept still.

>>9869424
do those even exist

>>9869451
There's a fair few 'fiery' demon enemies in realm667 if you haven't looked already but can't think of exactly just a guy made of fire. The Blood burning guy lacks attack and other sprites if you want a full fledged enemy out of it.

>>9869454
Yes.
Dunno why, Catacomb 3-D is better.

>>9866510
https://files.catbox.moe/cl90od.zip

>>9869461
I've scripted a fire that runs on the ground, thought it might be interesting to have a monster that does nothing but runs around spawning it. So I won't really need attack frames.
My second idea is to give someone a projectile that spawns a flame trail. That would work for pretty much any sufficiently imposing looking fireballer.

>>9869163
>imagine ranged maidens
>retarded suggestion

>>9869454
Yes, for one there's the Blade of Agony developer.

I've noticed that in BuildGDX, Redneck Rampage cd tracks play in a different order than DOS and I don't have shuffle enabled, whats up with that

>>9869152
That is no zaku, guy!

>>9869480
I still remember that Auschwitz level from episode 3, wew lad

>>9869496
BoA devs did nothing wrong.

>>9869182
Any tech base heavy wads to recommend?

>>9869527
base ganymede

>>9868474
I like it a lot. Feels like a Build Engine Doom but with the gore turned up. The huge variety of enemies on offer is super fun to me. Feels like you're fighting a real Hell's army. The centaur baron of hell is awesome, cyber hell knights, it's all good stuff.

>>9868474
Current builds of it are far too bloated for me, I prefer 2.03 when I do feel like playng PB.

It suffers from being a kitchen sink amalgamation of other mods instead of having a clear focus for stuff.

>>9869501
THIS
Its just a fucking Doom WAd level set, nothing more.

>>9869356
>which hilariously one source port developer thinks is the best Build game.
If it's who we're thinking of, they also think the level design is "so good" that it doesn't warrant colored or larger keys. So the irony is despite it being his favorite Build game, I'm recommending every other port for RR besides his and that's all I'll say about this funny dev.
>>9869449
Fiends don't die as quickly to the shotguns as a kleer does, so I vote for spawns.
>>9869551
I don't miss it but I do like seeing that crooked-nosed shotgun every now and then.

>>9869168
How about an Evangelion mod instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uupuBiJqOUQ

>>9869551
I fucking remember that cathedral from an scene demo from the 90's. Forget what it was called but it was really popular. Something with .dot .names or whatever.

When decino is going to play my house?
When decino is going to visit my house?

>>9869569
When you make it fun to visit.

>>9869569
Why does it matter if he plays a wad?

Why won't Decino play OG DOOM 3 and the Ressurection of Evil Expansion? Is he THAT turned off by the Retail build's Shotgun?

>>9869576
What a facetious question. He's big and consequently big outreach. Just a fact.
Nibbas were ready to overhaul the way they design maps and secrets over his 'tism.

>>9869583
>Nibbas were ready to overhaul the way they design maps and secrets over his 'tism.
Which is stupid in itself.

>>9869454
present

>>9869583
his new blind run format blows

>>9869583
So big his fans don't recognize his own midis or even know the actual names of the wads they've watched him play.

>>9869451
Like the Fire Daedra of Battlespire?
>>9869469
You could probably rip that attack from Hexen's Maulotaurs

>>9869619
One does not simply rip codepointers.

>>9869598
Huh. Neat.
I think the game's decent enough considering how old it is. The samey maze levels burned me out before I could finish the Nocturnal Missions, but I stuck around long enough to beat Mecha Hitler. That was fun.

>>9869581
>Is he THAT turned off by the Retail build's Shotgun?
He said that? That's ironic with how often it works when you put it in their face, so it's as effective as the double barrel is against Serious Sam's Kleers. I just don't see it being exciting for him or his audience especially.

>>9869620
Bummer.
At least you'll have the sprites.

Does anyone know of some brightmaps addon thing that does what is pictured here? The waste has a nice glow to it but it is within in a version of brutal doom. I want to be able to add the additional glowing to when I use other mods instead of brutal doom. I don't hate brutal doom but I also don't want to HAVE to use to take advantage of some fancier effects.

>>9869153
DBP58: Immortal Warfare is out now!
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3169/immortal-warfare

OH N-

I read somewhere that if you do it slowly it doesnt glitch.

VRanon you removed the inventory property from monsters I think with the latest fgd/progs.dat

>>9869648
I just googled "doom dynamic lights mod" a few days ago and More Lights adds coloured glow to doom textures and some pwads like BTSX and OTEX water
there's another small wad I found called subtle lights that gives some textures zdoom coloured sector lighting instead of dynamic lights, although both of these mods fuck with what's commonly used as blue carpet

>>9869648
Brutal Doom? Not making fun I just always like their shotgun.

>>9869648
There's some mod on the ZDoom forum that's just that stuff extracted out and run as it's own thing.

>>9869649
Proper Dropbox link because 40oz is some kind of moneygrubbing faggot running it through hilariously unsafe advertising services such as Viglink.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yuofyq7afblzuzv/DBP_58.zip

>>9869672
It's one of the many versions of Brutal Doom. I was testing shit out that's been sitting in some folders and noticed the glow from the waste. Brutal Doom is fine. It just has a gorillion custom versions floating around, some are bloated to hell and back. I do like the base shotgun in it too.

>>9869667
I had only googled brightmaps and mostly got stuff for monsters like their eyes or super natural glowing for custom enemies. I don't know enough about Doom modding to know if a glow like that is done through lighting or just a texture thing or even something else.

>>9869684
I'll have to search it for that specific bit then.

>>9869709
it's incorrect to call the glowing nukage a brightmap, a brightmap is certain pixels glowing in the dark but casting no light on anything else, dynamic lights are lights in the world, and coloured lighting is applying a uniform tint to one sector of the map

>>9869649
radical

>>9869693
You always see those people claiming this shit is for security/safety with link protection, and it just fucking isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GGwlZfXmdc

>>9869832
awesome

New submission for 94 Protons of /vr/: "Go 188 it". Expectedly, this is a dense map that combines architecture from the first maps of the 100/200/300 minutes of vr series. The level design deviates from Go2it intentionally to make it longer, harder and more cramped. Any feedback is highly appreciated. It needs to be loaded with the latest 94beta or resources.
https://files.catbox.moe/i55g5x.wad
The midi is track 04 from Demonstar. I also added a new "crorange" translation table for the menu font since I don't think Chopblock realizes that a new one is needed.

>>9869832
Yeah this kicks ass
>>9869912
Looks fun, any word from that Chop fellow lately?

>>9869912
>Camera cuts to Chopblock fruitlessly trying to add another map to the current 94P build over a span of 3 months, with the end result being him exporting a Hexen map by accident.

>>9869928
He's probably busy trying to add the beta BFG or some shit to it.

aw yiss

motha fuckin block textures.

>>9869926
>any word from that Chop fellow lately?
I only communicate with him through the medium of new doom maps, you know as much as I do.

>>9869926
>Looks fun, any word from that Chop fellow lately?
Cockblock or somebody claiming to be him showed up in a thread last week or something, claimed if he keeps fucking stuff up he'll do a release in early June or something.

I'll believe it when I see it.

>>9869912
You could probably stand to raise the floor in the final section a little bit. You can cheese it so easily just by standing here.
The whole map in general has a lot of fights that are really easy to cheese just by backing through the door you came out of.

>>9869152
>vkQuake removes keyboardlook controls
What the fuck? Why?

>>9870037
Probably a bug. Report worthy.

>>9870040
It's not.
> Remove all sorts of 90s control options that no one uses anymore
https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/commit/239c11154f179d0e1b556cd585c38d705963b9bb

Do you think GZDoom needs to be optimized the way Ironwail is?

>>9870013
It's partially intentional since I consider the original go2it to be a very grindy and cheesable map but I'll try to tone it down in an update. I also forgot to mention that, again for authenticity, there are no skill settings. I'll add them though if anyone has suggestions.

Anyone tried running doom on an F-16 cockpit?

>>9870047
>> Remove all sorts of 90s control options that no one uses anymore
Classic, the "absolutely no one uses it, so it has to be removed" shit hits here too.

>>9870047
Huh. Look at that.
>>9870063
I dunno I don't think it's worthy of anything more than a "that's kind of lame" thought. There's always Ironwail. Quake was always made with mouselook in mind.

>>9870063
The thing is, obviously a good amount of people *do* use it. I dunno what kind of bubble the dev is in. It's been in the game since launch, so yeah, there's people who still want to use it.
>>9870065
I heard he freaked out when dumptruck made the video on Ironwail (dunno if its true) and I felt bad considering I do prefer Vulkan, but if I ever have to upgrade I'm switching to fucking Ironwail if the guy behind that doesn't start removing shit arbitrarily.
>Quake was always made with mouselook in mind.
So was Doom. I don't see any source ports removing keyboard controls though.

>>9870065
Did endoom ever sneak back into DSDA? That still hurts my soul.

>>9870047
>>9870063
It's Graf-tier logic, they probably want to strip shit out and the first choice is the "old" stuff because they can easily claim nobody uses it anymore and they're making it more modern that way.

>>9870079
Considering there are no issues about this on the page's github it's probably safe to say this is the first time anybody has ever checked since the change was made, so yeah. Nobody really uses it anymore. Again, if it matters enough, switch ports. It's really not that big a deal.
>>9870072
>So was Doom. I don't see any source ports
removing keyboard controls though.
The equivalent would be a port that removes the option for autoaim.

>>9870090
>Considering there are no issues about this on the page's github it's probably safe to say this is the first time anybody has ever checked since the change was made, so yeah. Nobody really uses it anymore
Not everyone updates immediately. The release isn't that old yet for something most people probably only update every few years when a mod requires it.
>The equivalent would be a port that removes the option for autoaim.
Isn't autoaim in Doom pretty much necessary the weapons to function right even with freelook?
Also, vkQuake still has autoaim settings despite it being tied to the thing which "no one uses anymore". I'm not sure I understand that.

>>9870113
I'm the wrong guy to have this conversation with man. Make an issue on the github page. I don't care about this at all, just enough to reply to you and point you in the right directions:
https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/issues
or
https://github.com/andrei-drexler/ironwail/releases/tag/v0.7.0

>>9870078
Sort of, it still exists as ASCII-Endoom, but it must be enabled from inside the configuration file.

>>9870121
ah hip2m2, one of my favorite classic quake levels. exquisite brick alignment if I recall correctly.

>>9870056
GZDoom is optimized? I thought it was the base case example for how to unoptimize the simplest game to the point you can't run it without a decent videocard.

Why is it that mappers rarely use the hitscan army dudes in their maps for quake? They’re maybe the most important enemy type in terms of providing good gameplay.

>>9870260
The human dudes are usually reserved for the tech bases of Quake, and Quake is at its best when you're thrown into some fucked up castle and tangling with eldritch spawn.

>>9870260
because shamblers are better.

>>9870257
Optimized in the same way a bathtub is an optimized car.

>>9870273
That’s a pretty big compromise just to provide slightly better thematic coherence. I wonder if retexturing the shotgunner to some sort of a gory peasant farmer would help being more in line with the ”eldritch” vibes of most of the enemies.

>>9870257
>GZDoom is optimized?
No anon, he's asking if it needs to be optimized.

>>9870290
It ought to be but no chance of getting that by the lead whose idea of optimization is "fuck you, buy a better system".

>>9870284
I feel like you can easily justify using army guys in maps by just splashing techbase elements into parts of the map, especially near the entrance/exit.
I personally think it's because the Army dudes are just too weak. They can go down in just one or two Shotgun shots at mid range, and a lot of the fun of Quake seems to come from giving the player strong weapons and throwing the beefier enemies at them to compensate.
Personally, I think you could get away with a good "Rocket Launcher vs horde of wimps" encounter here or there, and I have seen them, but maybe not a lot of mapper skew that way.

>>9870284
Also as much as I see the value of hitscanners. I don't think the strongest portion of Quake's combat is from hitscanners. Doom often has you fighting groups of monsters from the outside, or a map will spawn a wave of monsters from one side, and even then your best way of avoiding damage is to get the hell out of there and corral them.

Quake's combat on the other hand feels more boxed in and they'll drop a handful of particularly powerful monsters all around you with you needing to weave through gaps that show themselves when a Fiend lunges, or one that you make yourself. Getting boxed in with hitscanners or even having a single hitscanner in a fight like that would actually be detrimental I feel.
Maybe it's just me but I feel like the human foes with the shotguns and lasers would mix like oil and water with the eldritch monsters, mechanically speaking.

>>9870260
>Why is it that mappers rarely use the hitscan army dudes in their maps for quake?
because they're boring, simple as.

both arcane and alkaline fixed this by giving them nailguns and rocket launchers, they're just as weak but become top priority whenever they show up because of this.

>>9870295
They need to be used like in doom, as distant turrets while harassing the player with big fat dudes. Shotgunners alone are not a real encounter unless of course in sheer numbers.

>>9870260
It's not Doom for one, the balance is different and aimed at smaller amounts of enemies due to the limitations of the time.

>>9870325
The balance is different but the concept of target priority is exactly the same.

>>9870260
I never find them fun to fight like doom's hitscanners are. Not sure why, maybe because they have more HP.

>>9870340
It's certainly an aspect of it, Doom's hitscanners were mostly cannon fodder, dangerous cannon fodder in certain numbers and encounters but cannon fodder all the same.

Everything in Quake is spongier to account for the lower maximum monster count.

>>9870345
>>9870340
Isn't it less that they're sponges and more that they don't miss as often as Doom's shitscanners do? They have a much faster, subtler animation that is less telegraphed as well and their shots don't have as much feedback in terms of sound compared to even zombiemen.

>>9870260
They both only appear in the first levels of each episode, so I guess anyone wanting to stay “true” to Quake does the same.

But the real answer is probably because of how they function. They aren’t like Doom’s hitscanner zombies who come in three flavors and fire in a random spread of varying damage that forces the player into cover, they’re a single unit type that fires a perfectly accurate shot of consistently low damage, and can be avoided outright by simply strafing. Granted, these mechanics have uses of their own, but with how easily the grunts can be nullified by the player without them even being aware of their presence, they aren’t really able to apply pressure in an open space. They’re more suited to attacking at specific angles while the player is occupied with other enemies, but the issue there is that the other enemies can fill that role too.

People complain about the concept of hitscan and how it’s “unfair” and that everything needs to be a projectile of varying speeds, but removing it leaves a gap in what level designers can do.

>>9869454
There used to be a community of actual WW2 vets making brutally hard Ws3D mapsets, but they almost all died-out in a literal manner

>>9869619
>You could probably rip that attack from Hexen's Maulotaurs
The problem is that not even MBF21 thought of floorhugger mechanics, so it has to run around using monster logic, but that's not the problem. I guess this kind of sprite might work for me.

>>9869551
>shotgunning Shamblers
Also what map?

IT'S THE FINAL HOURS FOLKS. 29 days until Violent Rumble 2 is over. I am not VRanon, the guy running it, I just wanted to make a post detailing some of the features of Violent Rumble 2 and beseech some anons who maybe want to throw some maps together.
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9803556/#9803715
-VR turns the Power Shield from Scourge of Armagon into an actual shield, details in the above archived post
-VR includes a plethora of additions to Quake's roster of enemies, including everything from both Mission Packs, some additions form other mods, and original enemies such as the Rambler - melee only shambler - and mini Chthons
-New weapons like the railgun, the gauntlet which is like Quake's answer to Doom's chainsaw, and it brings flame nails and flame shells for the nailguns and shotguns respectively
-Lots more shit!
Still time to get something in if you're the least bit interested.

>>9870280
They alongside and Vores are the only vanilla Q1 enemies providing a modicum of challenge, a crowd of H.Knights also work as a serious challenge if the player doesn't have explosive weapons yet

>>9870490
Anon that's how video games work. The fodder enemies distract you while you deal with the more dangerous ones, but the fodder enemies are difficult in large numbers.

>>9870047
>>9870063
>>9870065
>>9870072
>>9870090
>>9870113
>>9870121
https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/commit/2c0ba673107df7a1a28da70dca8da2971bd1ed1d
I don't even use vkQuake, but are you dudes blind?

>>9870345
>Everything in Quake is spongier to account for the lower maximum monster count.
Most of Doom’s beefy enemies take three or four rockets to kill, sometimes two. Quake’s nearly the same, though only vores take four rockets. Super nail gun melts health like the plasma does, and can take a shambler out in like six seconds or so.
The idea of Quake having a “tankier roster” is from the lack of those softies in most of the original levels and in how the shotguns work: They don’t hit as hard but are much faster, and people don’t tend to think in terms of “time to kill” but rather “hits to kill”. I also find grunts and enforcers can work in all levels just with the idea of “oh no quake/lovecraft took over their brains”.

>>9867112
Responding to an old post.
>There's a few downloads of it floating around but they're all in Polish.
The download links may be, but the game is all in English.
>I think VRanon was somehow able to extract them, but I have no clue how.
It's on the same engine as Mortyr, so if the .hal has been cracked then it should be wide open.
>I couldn't even get it to boot in any compatibility modes or with any wrappers.
Try setting compatibility mode to XP SP2. I got DDraw errors that DGVoodoo2 couldn't help with until I did that. You also need the version with the cracked exe, otherwise it will kick you out because your trial has ended.

Based on fooling around, I have determined the following:
The Ork and Stormtrooper are probably the best characters, since you can leap around like a maniac.
The map Orka Shelter doesn't work at all and just crashes the game.
Attempting to change player model at any time other than before starting your very first game of the session will brick the program, since it doesn't appear to be able to properly terminate a running game.
Never press the Zoom key, it's a pain in the ass of holding it to get it to zoom in, then holding it and praying it zooms out again.
The inbuilt screenshot feature outputs to PCX, but it seems corrupt and neither GIMP nor Paint.Net (with a plugin) can make sense of the output. Use the Print Screen key instead.
If you die you can't respawn (at least in local games).

>>9870498
HK is a mid-tier enemy I'd say, but they quickly turn into a pushover once you get the RL and can now gib them by the dozens if there's enough room to spare - also they just love to garner infighting targets with their fireball showers

>>9870534
Oh, and also it will occasionally brick itself all on its own. Did it once while I was just running around Tormiens, I didn't try the map again since unbricking it forces me to sign in and out and I wasn't wanting to do that any more times than needed.

>>9869912
lel
I was considering making more 94 Protons maps since I've been itching to make a Doom map lately, and we're still missing most of the Plutonia signature maps (Hunted, Cyberden, Odyssey of Noises, maybe Tombstone). But so far I haven't since I didn't want to give Chopblock even more work.
I'll probably give feedback later today.

>>9870518
Quake1 shotguns can't be exactly compared to doom(2)'s for the most part, because the Q1's slot #2 Shotty is mechanically the Doom's pistol that somehow fires shotgun shells - and the DBS is more like Doom normal Shotgun but with the SSG's spread pattern applied to it.
Quake2 in contrast goes back to the Doom(2)-alike weapon damage scaling, so the SSG is now once again treated damage-wise as "a point-blank RockerLauncher but without the splash damage"
^take note that only the Shotties are the weapons which deviate in such manner - as in all of these games the RL does about 110dmg on a direct hit (maybe more in case of Doom since its heavily RNG-dependant for both the RL's initial direct hit and the subsequent explosion damage rolls being calculated seperately)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYAxvGSVpzc
Venom Codename Outbreak, t underrated 2000s tactical FPS from creators of Stalker, stylistically very similar to it, especially earliest builds.

>>9870480
>Power Shield from Scourge of Armagon
That's the Empathy Shield, Power shield is the glowy one from DoE - which I have just beat by the way.

>>9870560
https://youtu.be/DHawudR4yRE?t=12

>>9869653
You seem to be correct, but I'm not sure how I managed that. I'll try to have it fixed soon.

>>9870480
I appreciate the enthusiasm anon, but a few corrections:
>shields changes are forth both SOA's Empathy Shield and DOE's Power Shield
>Haephestus/Lava Men are from DOE, not new
>Lava Nails are from DOE
But yes, at end of the month I'd like to finally start closing this thing out. Thanks for the participation!

>>9870570
https://youtu.be/DHawudR4yRE?t=12

>>9870552
>Quake1 shotguns can't be exactly compared to doom(2)'s for the most part, because the Q1's slot #2 Shotty is mechanically the Doom's pistol that somehow fires shotgun shells
No it’s a shotgun. Just because it’s on “slot two” doesn’t mean it’s a “pistol.” It’s better to regard the game as getting rid of the pistol entirely.

>>9870587
He said mechanically it's the pistol. Which makes sense as it's your weak starting weapon. The difference being the standard shotgun in Quake 1 isn't hot trash like Doom 1's pistol. But they both serve the same role: Giving the player a starting weapon and leave them wanting something better in a hurry.

>>9870573

>>9869152
Anyone here got a copy of Shrak For Quake that's patched and ready to play in a source port?

Which version of Doom 64 is the best to play?

>>9869653
Actually nevermind, the inventory field is set on items, not monsters. It's still shows fine as far as I can tell.
Forgetting how my own code works in barely a month... Jesus.

>>9870592
>But they both serve the same role: Giving the player a starting weapon and leave them wanting something better in a hurry.
It’s actually kind of fun going through Quake’s e1m1 with that thing: Everything dies in two hits and there’s little spread so it’s got a nice range to it. Then you grab the quad and it’s even more fun.
You don’t want to keep using Doom’s pistol in it’s first level, and it’s quickly replaced with a shotgun.
How does a pistol hit in Doom compare to a rocket hit? In Quake the explosives about about four times as strong as a shotgun blast with all pellets.

>>9870631
Yeah, I'd rank Quake's shotgun pretty high up there in the tier list of starting weaponry. Blood's flare gun is also a particularly good one, and Unreal's dispersion pistol. Down towards the bottom we have Doom's pistol, Quake 2's blaster, and Redneck Rampage's revolver is at the absolute bottom. That gun is fucking miserable

>>9870636
>Blood's flare gun is also a particularly good one
It's a good weapon but I really kind of hate it as a starter weapon. The flares do such high damage that you really don't like spamming and missing which makes it a kind of tedious precision weapon. It's a great weapon but it's profile really doesn't feel like that of a starter weapon. I feel like they started off with a revolver in the slot but decided that it's a bit lame and every other game has done it as well so they changed it out. While it is more interesting than a revolver and I'm glad it exists, I wish either the shotgun or thompson's normal fire was tweaked to be the "weak pew pew" option with the alt fire being formidable and reliable, if more ammo hungry, workhorse hitscan.

Also the fucking remote bomb is like the dynamite but less fun. Maybe nitpicky because the weapon lineup is good but a bit unorthodox.

>>9870636
>>9870587
>>9870592
You lads should check out Reliquary sometime.
https://youtu.be/OqmMGiip0Fk?t=135
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/reliqv1.html

>>9870558
IIRC it's main feature was yout partner AI not being a briandead retard and it has the debatable Hard Reset gimmick of "your only gun is all the weapons just using different ammo" not evetyone likes

Combined_Arms Gaiden 2.0 update soon, fellow Stalker!

>>9870705
Oh really? When?

>>9870708
NOW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocXJAHKO4Wo

https://combine-kegan.itch.io/combined-arms-gaiden

>>9870710
:O!!!!

>>9870673
I tried it back in 2021 - the slimy techbase level is retardedly hard if you don't know where the secrets are beforehand, and also
>Copper

>>9870710
Awww shit, here we go! This calls for demiguts splatter special for this Sunday!
What wads go great with CA and gayden? Want to give it a mighty charge shot.

>>9870716
I was having a great time with 2048 units and 400 minutes of /vr/

>>9870716
Colorful Hell

>>9870470
wow that's cool as fuck
reminds me of that one doom 2 map that was for a training sim

>>9870673
Cool, I’ll check it out once I’m done with Spiritworld.
>Copper-based mod
Does that mean nightmare vores will be fun as well? I hope so.
>>9870710
Oh SHIT

>>9870710
I just want you to know that this was well worth the effort, I was grinning like an idiot for the rest of the trailer.

>>9870617
Re-release is pretty good.
https://gog-games.to/game/doom_64

>>9870730
Glad you liked that, a friend of mine gave me the idea to use that line. It was too good to pass up.

>>9870710
>1:23
Sexo avec tourelle?

>>9870735
Do not lewd the cat gun.

>>9869152
Is there any DOOM mod or wad be it online or offline with a 'siege' mode like Paladins? Or something like Paladins. I like the gameplay a lot but Paladins is becoming increasingly gay, and it's one of those modern 'you will own nothing' games with a (((season pass))), lootboxes, with gay flags and, of course, online only.

A few threads ago I posted an archer monster and someone asked me if I'm going to make it pierce through the targets.
It seems the answer is no.

>>9870661
Blood's Flaregun is a tad too strong for a starting weapon once you learn about the alt-fire modes existing - the only thing limiting its OP'ness is the tiny ammo pool forcing you to rely on the Sawn-off & TommyGun as more conventional weapons, and the Dynamite\#bombs & Napalm Launcher for explosives

>>9869153
Combined_Arms Gaiden has been updated to version 2.0 >>9870710

>>9870730
He actually did it, the absolute madman.

>>9870710
looks sick as fuck

Someone also made a monster mod for C_AG.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=69449

>>9869152
Is a month enough time to learn TrenchBroom and shit out a decent enough map for Violent Rumble? Note that I have ADHD and can't finish a project without a hard deadline.

Sup fags, here's some footage of prime American McGee presenting Alice on German Television in 2000.

https://youtu.be/6C1WTUzft8w?t=469

He appears several times with his game, you gotta skip through.

I feel like Augur Zenith could do with some brightmaps for GZDoom, in addition to its lights.
So, where would I start if I want to learn to make my own brightmaps for wads and mods that I like?

>>9870757
Oh, I had a thought. If you wanted to make the spiral appear more spiral-y, it might help to make one of the spiral's colors different. Then you would see a spiral pattern. Can't do that if it's all one color.

>>9870984
An emitter orbiting the projectile in a circle perpendicular to the projectile's direction would create a spiral effect. No idea if that's doable in your engine.

>>9870961
I found some quick page on Doomworld for it, I’ll use that while cross-referencing some mods that already have some brightmaps.

>>9870959

Any other good 6DOF shooters like the Descent trilogy with decent level design: retro, modded, or otherwise? I've already played through Forsaken Remastered and Overload, and beyond a few "rougelike" indies on Steam I can't find much else.

>>9871036
I’ve been meaning to try Aquanox, next closest thing. There’s sadly not many of these.

>>9871050
I always though the Aquanox titles were closer to Wing Commander or Terminal Velocity with the fixed forward acceleration and little-to-no horizontal and vertical sliding. Maybe I need to give them a closer look.

>>9871036
Doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPMWlRyJ1Fk

>>9871070
I've always felt like a Doom mod that gave you extra lives like Descent and made you drop all your equipment on death could be a lot of fun. Might break a lot of maps if you have to respawn at map start, but it would be a lot more interesting for casual play than having to rely on quick saves or starting the map over every time you died.

BFG is fun and all, but I don't quite like its impact on the balance. So I've been trying to make a fun replacement. Which works, unless blockmap comes in the way.

>>9870990
Orbiting emitters would not be possible.

>>9871067
You could be right, haven’t looked into it much to avoid spoiling. Also looks much more open than Descent/Forsaken level design. Damn.

>>9870284
>>9870273
Reforged had a skin that can fit both themes.
That being said, how do i use Reforged and QRP with ironwail?

>>9871083
It's interesting. Looks like it could fill the BFG's purpose of drilling you out of surround without being too busted on the single target damage? Or actually, what do you seek it's purpose to be?

>>9871102
It's converting 10 cells into 16 hitscan tracers, each dealing 20-100 damage. I'm mostly envision it as a skill gun to take down more powerful enemies cheaper.

I'm considering trying alternate ideas, like a stack of projectiles that can re-acquire targets.

>>9871083
So it's a railgun?

>>9871116
Pretty much.

>>9869728
thanks. knowing the right terminology will make it easier to search.

>>9870284
>I wonder if retexturing the shotgunner to some sort of a gory peasant farmer would help being more in line with the ”eldritch” vibes of most of the enemies.
I can see them hanging around as is, modern counterparts to the knights and death knights who already exist as thralls to these “spooky eldritch overloads”. I also don’t find them too jarring when these chainsaw wielding, grenade launching ogres are everywhere.

>>9870058
Of course. That's the way the developers intended everyone to play it. Not keyboard only or m+kb or this controller nonsense. A real gamer's cockpit.

>>9871081
I think you can set up something similar by playing Zandronum and making your own Survival session; there's a lives setting in that mode.

>>9871036
try House of the Dying Sun, is on sale now

What's a good weapon set to pair with Eviternity? Feel like going through it again

So is the quakec source code used for the 2021 re-release version of quake any use for modders of the original quake release?

>>9869583
>Nibbas were ready to overhaul the way they design maps and secrets over his 'tism.
I don't watch decino, cept when he deathmatched romero, how does he think secrets should be?

>>9869583
The popularity of decino is weird. Why do normies watch that guy?

>>9869583
the reason he changed how he does blind runs was specifically so that people wouldn't modify their maps due to how he used to play, he doesn't want people changing their maps just because he personally had a few problems caused by obsessing over the kill/secret count

>>9870284
>>9870260

This is why I really liked Scourge of Armagon expansion, a lot of the shotgunners, laser troopers and they also showed that you CAN mix the techbase elements and cyborg shit with the eldritch elements and it works fine.

Gibbing them with the grenade launcher is also really fun and cathartic.

Unsatisfied with railgun fuckery, I'm attempting something else.

A little better demonstration.

>>9871198
It's a good move really, back when I had the time to map I got some fucking weird feedback that a chainsaw encounter setup was something he wouldn't like, and I'm still not sure what the fuck I'm meant to do with that information or why I got it out of the blue on some server that had nothing to do with the dude.

>>9871274
This just seems more cumbersome than the regular BFG.

>>9871281
I don't like how much damage can BFG do at point blank, so I'm looking into making something that follows more sensible logic. It's work in progress.

>>9871282
What if you tried to make it like the Quake 2 BFG where it deals damage as it passes by?

>>9871287
The recursive projectile isn't as functioning as I thought. But I have some ideas.

>>9870558
Firestarter, basically Painkiller with Quake 3 graphics and visuals. Wave based FPS that has a lot of unused assets like weapons and player models from early builds of Stalker. Might be actually what was left of original idea of Stalker as space sci-fi game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnG6uY0eS4o

What are the best retro FPS games for some nice eye candy t&a coupled with good gameplay. Already played Duke Nukem (and the Build Classic trilogy ?

The booba doesn't have to be the main focus (usually isn't) but as long as it's present, I'm happy.

>>9871282
Something I had always thought of was how much potential damage you can do with X ammo. For example, the damage that the plasma gun can potentially do with 40 cells is much less than an average BFG shot. However, dealing the most damage with a BFG is situational. If you fired a BFG ball at an imp it would be a waste of cells. But the most threatening situations to be in are also where the BFG is at its best and the plasma gun is at its worst. I've never fallen into an ambush with tons of high level enemies and thought, "Oh I'll switch to my plasma gun, that will save me"

Sorry if I'm schizo rambling.

>>9870475
Dimension of the machine E2

Why the FUCK do shotguns miss scrags so much?

>>9871287
This is offensive to the ears and to the CPU too, probably.

>>9871236
They’re basically “zombies but threatening”. The only hard thing about zombies is needing to be killed by explosives.
>>9871379
With or without AD pellets?

>>9871406
>With or without AD pellets?
Vanilla.

>>9871379
skill issue

Everyone gets burned out from time to time, what's the last WAD that reignited your love for doom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay6aZA4bI68
fuck i love the alien ship from marathon

>>9871443
Lost civ and struggle really helped.

>>9871443
Sigil.wad

>>9871443
Auger Zenith.

>>9871443
Chainworm Kommando

>>9870710
YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
I was originally playing Icarus: AV with NTMAi, but now I have to restart that with this you fucker.

>>9871514
This is such a fucking nice little wad.

It's a shame the sequel got scrapped, all we got is the one demo one anon preserved

>>9871525
>sequel canned
NOOOOOOooooo that's awful
I want the demo. Where can I find it?

>>9869163
>assets mean wait

Most famous vaporware wads?

>>9871443
Base Ganymede

>>9871593

>>9871415
Dang, dunno what to tell you then besides those two lame words. They’re kind of erratic at times, much more than caco or other flying Doom dudes

>>9871383
BFG Frozen Orb style

>>9871635
It just feels like they behave differently from other enemies even when you point blank them with the ssg. Often like half of the shots miss and simply produce gray puffs on the wall behind them instead of spilling blood. It usually takes way more shots with the ssg to kill a scrag than one would expect based on their health value.

Is this worth playing? Would like to play vanilla style wad

>>9871712
You could have downloaded the wad and started playing in the time it took you to post this.

>>9870891
It's enough to do a small map, sure.

>>9870587
This webm fucked me up

>>9871765
There was a guy who did a bunch, including some comparisons between killing a Q1 shambler compared to a tank commander but not compared to a regular tank, sadly.

>>9871656
I can only recommend to try not getting too close for those shotgun blasts, though that’s something you could be doing already. They’re cheeky while also being somewhat deceptively skinny, I sometimes will pelt them with the single shotty as opposed to the double.

>>9870891
That's what I'm trying to do. Altho after working at it for a couple days, I'm intimidated by the prospect of making even a small map that meets the standards of VR.

Can someone get their hands on this wad?
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/99958-synthdoom-by-black-metal-chainsaw/

>>9871853
Is that your map? Looks cool so far, i assume you're going to light it next. Try to make it more enticing to enter that room, you dont want the player's only viable strategy to be retreating to the hallway. Like you could add a water pool in the arena, and wait to spawn some of the enemies until theyre farther in or have already killed some other enemies.

https://andrewyoderdesign.blog/2019/08/04/the-door-problem-of-combat-design/

>>9871869
Yep, it's my WIP. Thanks for the compliments and advice! I actually need to widen the base of that fountain so that the player can step into it, but that encounter also looks awkward because I took an alternate route to raise a bridge/release the Shambler early. WEBM related is on the other side of the barred door in that courtyard.
>i assume you're going to light it next
lol
lmao
Eventually, but I don't even have the layout finished yet. I still gotta' do like 3 or 4 "rooms" (re-using the upper layers from a couple existing rooms, as well as making a couple new rooms). Then I gotta' tweak walls, add ceilings, tweak ceilings, detailing pass, and finally lighting.
I'm pretty much creating encounters and secrets as I build the layout, so hopefully the encounter-building will be done alongside the layout.

So when mapping, do you guys come up with interesting architecture first then modify it to support combat, or do you start with thinking about fun encounters and then design the map around them?

>>9871307
>What are the best retro FPS games for some nice eye candy t&a coupled with good gameplay.

I dont think what you are asking for even exists. Hedon comes to mind but that's not retro.

>>9871924
I'm thinking of both at the same time. Usually I find some things that don't work and adjust them accordingly.

>>9871924
The former (albeit poorly), but I'm trying to do more of the latter.

>>9871924
Depends. I have a big text file with bunch of traps, gimmicks, fights, concepts and sometimes apply those to a map I'm making. So I make the fight and then make some bullshit room to house it and then decorate it.

Sometimes though I just sit in MS Paint doodling away rooms and layouts, when using those I first make the architecture and then the monsters. But even then both go kinda hand in hand, if I'm mapping out my sketch and feel like some place could use a ledge with a few imps, I change it a bit to accommodate.

Most recent iteration is quite timid compared to this

>>9871307
Sin with addon and Sin Episode 1 Emergence.

>>9871448
>Gets to 1:00.
>Start singing nonsense outloud, following the tune.
Every. Single. Time. And I haven't even played Marathon!

>>9871975
>f-word
jannies in shambles

>>9871924
Depends on how hard I'm effortfagging. This post >>9871959 more-or-less sums up my approach, though I use a different medium (pic related.)
I still use text files for things like map name ideas, or for brainstorming broad concepts for larger projects.
I need to create a document for cataloging Quake maps that have things I want to reference or outright rip-off. I can not for the life of me find a vanilla map that uses "This door opens from the other side..." for the fucking life of me, if there even is one.
>>9871985
>f-word
... Jew?

>>9870509
The commit I linked earlier is part of the latest release.

hey guys, question about doom mapping.
so ive been into mapping for a while, and its alot of fun.
issue is i have trouble making new maps. why? because i can never finish the first fucking room.
the original doom 1 maps are built mostly by making strange shapes and detailing them. this is how tutorials say i should do it, and i think it looks nice.
issue is, i cant. my brain physically cant make good looking randomly shaped rooms.
whenever i make less drunk looking maps they end up being boring hallways connected by doors and nothing else.
i really try and make more free-form maps and i just cant. usually i start, try my best to make a weird looking polygon, it looks like shit, retry 60 times, and then give up.
i dont fucking understand how people do this.
can one of you guys tell me what type of autism i have that would cause this?

>>9872043
Sometimes it helps me to try and think of the place when I start a map- what it is and what purpose it serves in the world. Then I work from there. It also helps to think of a couple of gimmicks or fights and try to work them into the structure.

>>9872043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IgdZtajAA
Maybe you simply weren't meant to be, anon

>>9872043
What if, hear me out, you just didn't put corridor between two rooms?

>>9872043
if a room is too bland for me I just start adding pillars to the corners and arches/trim to the entryways

>>9872071
but i dont.
i avoid that shit like the plauge, and that causes me to make shitty god-awful look rooms.
its either painfully boring or vomit-inducingly ugly

why are there so few doom sex mods


Personally I dont want to play through hdoom, I just want to have a hdoom summonable imp girl to fuck when I feel like it after clearing the level or the room like as an addon to one of the various gameplay mods

>>9872101
i'd so fuck her like a dog behind a bush after watching her crawl around like a dog

guncaster female shopkeeper and female
shopkeeper sex when?

i'll let the snake in my pants attack her hot demon crotch slit if you get what Im saying

>>9872101
Because it's hard as hell to make Doom sprites that actually look good and fit the visual style. Some people only do one monster, most of them are just recolors of existing ones with some additions. Then there's also the fact that the Doom community trooned out and is infested with people that will backstab you at any moment, so not only can you not make money with this hard work, you can advertise it on the common Doom forums because they're infested with children & groomers and in the end you're also at risk of dealing with people who could potentially dox you out of spite. Fun times we live in.

>>9872101
personally I think the map that comes with hdoom sucks

It should be more like a sex dungeon

its not fair that imps spawn inside the hot tub. They have the most animations

>>9872043
when I made my 2048 map i was replaying dark souls 2 for a bit and took inspiration from the verticality and design of the ruined buildings. Sometimes its good to just go outside look at cool buildings or play other games that have areas or arenas that you like. Same with WADs too, if there are maps that really catch your eye try to make something similar.

it helps to know that natural stone and cliffs and shit are all irregular and not uniform in shape and that there's no reason you have to stick to straight lines and symmetry when working with buildings.

>>9872043
>start, try my best to make a weird looking polygon, it looks like shit, retry 60 times
Holy shit bitch, calm the fuck down. You need to reiterate on something to refine it, not trash it and start over if it's not perfect the first time. Just apply the basics of detailing and you'll be fine with pretty much any "drunk looking" geometry. I think the bigger issue is that you lack the confidence in your creative process to go farther than the first few steps. Try studying YouTube videos on mapping, maybe watch some mapping streams or speedmapping videos. Seeing how other create their layouts may help you understand that it's not about slapping down random shapes and it "just werks"; you have to keep working on something until it looks good.
If you keep starting over, then you're literally never going to get anywhere. I don't see how that's not obvious from the words in the sentence.

>>9872114
i cant believe wanting sex minigames my favorite video games is a utopian fantasy

this dystopian reality is worse than what is imagined in fiction

>>9872043
There's nothing wrong with having a square room, you'll chop the chunks out of it later. I think the best idea I've got is to plot a progression that would loop so every wall connects to something different.

>>9872101
>there are other images from the same artist showing her kneeling after being defeated and getting fucked while knocked up
To answer your question, like >>9872114 said, it's hard to make an erotic sprite that still fits the style of Doom, and there are other games better fit for adding a million porn models of your choosing.

>>9872101
summonable submissive imp gf hot total sex

imptan looking around and being immensely turned seeing her demon kin laying mangled and torn and in bloody pools of gore all along the floor

fucking imptan in all of her holes with my BFP-9000 ontop of a pile of demon corpses

>>9871941
>has no arms but still got booba
Coomers will be the first to perish

>>9872113

>>9872181
for me i wanna see her face (i think its hot)

>>9872043
I talked about an approachable community noob mapper project some days ago, been playing with some ideas and my current one is such:
One room. That's it.
But there have to be some alterations to the layout, lowering walls, raising bridges, whatever. Use of voodoo closets and dummy sectors is recommended so you can at least try to do one or few advanced things.

The idea was somewhat inspired by going through Going Down's MAP26 and making sense of the wonder and awe. But that's not the intended bar that is set of course, my first map for the project was just a hurrdurr here's a hexagon and then just subdividing it into bits that raise or lower.

I think this concept would limit some of the stress of creating a whole interconnected complex while also being interesting enough challenge to fit multiple little fights and objectives into one space. So if that sounds interesting, keep that in mind. I'll make a better and more proper pitch when I have at least a few maps to show for it.

>>9872101
go back to /v/

>>9872101
impudent stubborn impgirl needs rape correction

>>9870047
>>9870040
come home to quakespasm, lads

>>9870047
That's retarded. I use keyboard look for my laptop when I don't feel like bringing a mouse. Up down left right arrows and fire with ctrl (usually).

>>9871562
Here you go, one demo, it's kind of weird but it's interesting.
https://files.catbox.moe/at96fr.7z

do I move faster when I hop in Blood or is it just an illuisionament?

>>9871593
Mordeth, Space Pirate

>>9870710
based

>>9872257
having ironwail, why would anyone use quakespasm?

>>9871170
I was thinking about going through it with Spawn.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=69893

>>9872372
My toaster refuses to run both IW & vQuake

>>9872162
>has no arms but still got booba
no head STILL got booba :DDD

>>9871596
BASED Ganymede

>>9872257
lol. lmao.

>>9870072
>I heard he freaked out when dumptruck made the video on Ironwail

As well he fucking should. If you think about it, we are living in the future. Humanity is supposed to run vanilla Quake at 4-digit frame rates. God bless Andrei Drexler, how I wish there were more people like him.

Aw fuck, in looking up what the Chainworm Kommando mapper has been up to, it turns out there was a third wad being worked on that was more like the first but it got lost or something. Also he did a map for Nova 3 and some screwing about in non-retro FPS engines.

http://chainworm.de/

is there a way to make a doom monster passive but try to kill you when you attack it first?

>>9872461
Ironwail is definitely the de facto sourceport outside of Remastered but there are very very subtle visual differences between vkQuake and Ironwail that make me prefer the former.

>>9872486
You can do literally anything with zscript for GZDoom. It's a very robust engine.

>>9872486
Loads of ways, everything from mapping tricks to any number of the scripting stuff can have a monster that only goes hostile once you've attacked it.

>>9872494
shouldve added "with decorate" to my first post

>>9872526
Ask the Combined Arms/GMOTA guy. He's a decorate maniac.

>>9872526
Probably would be able to use something to remove the friendly flag when it takes damage from you.

>>9872470
Amazing find. I wonder if he's doing ok.

>>9872654
I hope he is, looking down his Twitter is like seeing moments of feeling like his stuff doesn't get any real attention,

It's a shame cause most people who I've known who played Chainworm Kommando liked it, it's just not gonna get the attention something like Heartland got so stuff like it's Doomworld thread has always been a ghost town.

>>9872717
That's most creative types. It's why you keep making and keep making things.

>>9872753
True, though the way the community is these days, you've practically got to market and network your arse off to get stuff to be noticed.

Stuff like Chainworm Kommando and Dakka are almost like they're from an earlier time where their creators don't much, and what popularity they got is from word of mouth in isolated corners of the community.

I am tired anons, so much organizing my folders of maps and mods, just to not play anything in the end because i am tired of organizing itself

>>9872796
Have a good rest anon

>>9870864
Neat, I'd opted to just scrape out the incompatible parts of Space Hunter and use that as a monster mod for Combined_Arms Gaiden.

Quick question for you guys:
If there was a game like ssb but for retro fps, what characters would you like to see playable?

>>9872847
I wouldn't, I played Samsara, I know it's a mistake to do that shit.

>>9872853
Samsara is fine. It was everything else other people tacked onto it that was shit.

>>9872853
Ok one rule: You can only have up to 12 characters

>>9872853
I think QC:DE did a better job at an FPS smash bros. The secret ingredient was giving every character the same weapons, making it much more balanced than trying to have every character play almost identically as they did in their own games. Base Samsara follows this principle and it is already pretty unbalanced with only 8 characters, and the addons made it even worse.

>>9872871
>>9872853
Base Samsara attempts quite a lot to balance weaponry while maintaining character identity, and it is quite good at this considering how diverse the cast is in terms of playstyles and tools.
"add"ons and their Ilk just throw everything through the window and make it a kitchensink mod-- Everything goes in, no matter how stupid or broken it may be. Zero QC. Just exactly like your average Mugen repack.

It's not really the concept what's wrong, it's the execution.

Wait a minute why don't we have a QC:DE night sometime? or a minigame server those were fun years and years ago ;_;

>>9872882
I miss stupidLMS and other minigame mods being played back to back in old Zandy/Skulltag days.

alr lemme clarify how this would work:
each character would function the same, just looking different and having different voice lines (or none at all)
by default all characters have a pistol and a unique melee (so caleb would have a pitchfork, lo wang would have a katana, etc)
but they all technically work the same

>>9872847
BJ Blazkowicz, the Doom Marine, Taradino, Corvus, the Hexen trio (one character, three "skins"), Strifeguy (AKA the Mercenary), Duke, Caleb, Lo Wang, Cletus, and either the Eternal Champion from Arena or the Avatar from Ultima Underworld.

>>9872867
>>9872904
Oh, since that's 11, I'll add JC Denton.

>>9872904
>>9872912
>Having Blaz and Doomguy but not ranger
Honestly fucking respectable.

>>9872913
It was a close call for that twelfth pick, between Denton, Ranger, and someone from Zero Tolerance for the SEGA Genesis (I would've had to Google that one because the only thing I remember about Zero Tolerance is that I fucking hated it as a kid.)

>>9872912
>>9872904
based

also heres mine:
bj blazkowicz
doomguy
strifeguy
taradino cassatt
duke nukem
lo wang
caleb
leonard
ranger
no idea what the last 3 would be

loved Hexen 2, very cute game.

>>9870673
>"pistol"
>uses shells
>still has the pellets
>says "shotgun" when picked up
It's just a faster shotgun, which is nice because this shit's nuts so far. I didn't like the model so I just switched it.

>>9872372
>A fork of the popular GLQuake descendant QuakeSpasm with a focus on high performance instead of maximum compatibility,
That's why.

>>9873015
It's beta but yeah I really like the rhythm of its weapons. Stronger axe, stronger everything really. Hopefully he adds monsters next version, but I'm sure he's busy helping map for Mjolnir.
>>9873023
Everything QS does IW does.

>>9872432
i WILL NOT use the new ports
i WILL NOT play the dogshit m*chinegames episode
i WILL NOT support bethesda
i WILL NOT support new-3DR or its 'employees'
i WILL NOT browse slipseer
i WILL NOT eat the spawns
i WILL NOT live in the func_pod

I like calling big groups of Spawns a Wad.

>>9873031
Literally me except vkQuake. I've been waiting to post to the newspost that Quofee 2 is out, but it's only out on Slipseer so far since quaddicted is slower to publish things.

>>9873030
IW doesn’t work on 3rd world toasters beause it dropped support for old graphics libraries thus their old and shit gpus can’t run it. That’s a good thing.

>>9873030
>Everything QS does IW does.
It's new, I don't like it, and my laptop with no dedicated graphics processor won't like it.

>>9873039
That IS a good thing. Like those fags who hold on to W7.

>>9873039
>literally "and that's a good thing" posting
oh golly, i can't wait to play the next map pack "two drops of rain on a stale wheat cake" by scrimbo_bimblo (she/they) that plays like a mid 2000s scourge of armagon remake but needs a 3080 and ironwail to run because every single brick is its own detail brush that also splits apart into separate crumbs if you shoot it twice, turn 360 degrees, and join the discord to get the secret code word (it's 'aarddolph')

>>9873047
Find better things to do than make up things to be upset about.

>>9873049
not until the shilling ceases

>>9873039
>>9873042
Come on graf stop shitposting.

>>9873042
>Like those fags who hold on to W7.

>>9873030
It's interesting, even if I tend to enjoy double barrel replacements that are still quick to shoot like what's in Trevail/Zerstorer and Dwell. This is triple shotgun is much more fun and chunkier than AD's though, and I get a faster regular shotgun.

>>9873047
scrimblo bimblo is an auteur you pleb

>>9873047
>"two drops of rain on a stale wheat cake" by scrimbo_bimblo (she/they)
O im laffin

>>9873050
Talking about a port for Quake that objectively has the best performance possible isn't any more shilling than talking about a wad or mod you enjoy. I hope you're only a part time retard.

>>9871975
The more recent one is an improvement compared to this tryhard edgy shit.

>>9872101
does it count that I'm making a mod where you can strip down a big tiddy goth girl and she doesnt bother to cover making you able to see her pixel nipples

>>9872461
Do you have any info on the freakout? I want to read it if it's available.
>>9872487
>the de facto sourceport outside of Remastered
Nightdive's "Remastered" version of Quake should be at the absolute bottom of the list, outside of fucking DOSBox.

They/thems and DeviantArtists are seething that they used AI ironically to generate an image of an Evil AI in System Shock

>>9873042
enjoy your botnet

>>9873253

I love fuck ugly 3d doom mods

>>9873253
what about sex doe

>>9873289
I've read extensively on the matter if you really want to know but it's not worth talking about unless you say you really want to know.

>>9870597
don't bother, imho it's not that great...

anyway: first, you'll have to extract the pak files from one of the cd rips you can find online

then you'll need to add the pak from here:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/shrak-for-quake-patched-v2-with-texture-fix-and-soundtrack/downloads/patch-for-shrak-for-quake-v21

>>9873330
It's a maybe if I go with my plan to make it its own game with tentacle monsters

>>9871869
Finally gave that link a read. Thanks for sharing!
I really like the way he breaks down game mechanics into logical systems. The node tree graphic is especially enlightening for illustrating how players perceive the value of space per visual feedback.
But what's more, I really appreciate this as a reference for ways to spice-up encounter intrigue. Here's a vid of my WIP map from the "intended" route, more or less trying to stick to door combat to see where I can tighten things up: https://youtu.be/zDxsW3s6NBo
That blogpost already gave me some great ideas for how to improve this layout in multiple ways. The one I'm especially interested in is the progressive cover; it's one-a those things I think I just overlook until somebody reminds me of it.

>>9873358
Not that anon but I think after a certain point you just have to trust players aren't going to be assholes who poke holes in design and won't retreat to the nearest door of safety.

>>9873367
Haha if you want players like me to fight from a less-than-safe location you're going to have to force us to. Teleport us into a room with doors that don't open until all the monsters are dead. Close the door behind us and don't open it until all the monsters are dead. Etc.
I WILL find the optimum way of approaching every fight which gives me the optimum chance of survival or even taking no damage at all. It is my nature. I feel compelled to.

>>9873375
This is what I mean. And then there are guys worse than you who bitch about being locked in a room feeling video gamey or teleporting monsters feeling video gamey. After a certain point I genuinely do not care what you people want. If it's fun to me, if I achieved what I set out to do with my map, then it's a success.

>>9869175
Link / wad name ?

>>9873379
People bitch about video games feeling video gamey? lol

>>9873384
Ever released a map? You see some absolutely stupid feedback now and then. My favorite is always
>Hard is too hard!
So play on normal
>But >:(

>>9873367
>you just have to trust players aren't going to be assholes who poke holes in design
I agree. There's stuff with glaring flaws like "standing upstairs gimps Ogres", but generally I find that as long as an encounter has a lot of moving parts, it can be rewarding for both cautious and aggressive players, regardless of if/how you can cheese it.
Altho I'm realizing that I rely a lot on forcing the player to progress for resources (unless they find secrets, in which case they end-up lousy with it.) It's nice to have more methods of layout design than just that and perched enemies everywhere.
>>9873375
>I WILL find the optimum way of approaching every fight which gives me the optimum chance of survival or even taking no damage at all.
Sincerely blessed strategist.

>>9873384
>People bitch about video games feeling video gamey
Yep. Reminds me of a article i read years ago about how in Mass Effect 3, there was going to be a final boss, but the devs decided not to because it felt too video gamey.

Coming back to doom after I got zdl installed and working. Been playing tf2, and holy shit, I'm already having way more fun.

Any good weapon mods for flamethrowers or archery? Those are the only real things that I feel like I'm missing.

>>9871092
>HURR-DURR, lets turn reanimated humans into gorillaz LMAO!

>>9872414
ForceCube makes me remember about Eradicator, same thing with Q2:GZ's DefenderSphere

>>9873409
>flamethrowers
Heretic, Obituary, Heartland
>archery
REKKR, Final Doomer

>>9873015
Kinda reminds me of the final Citizen Abel episode with the Deagle using shotgun shells for bullets

>>9873253
As always, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

>>9873409
>archery
High Noon Drifter and Wrath of Cronos.

>>9873409
Combined_Arms has a flamethrower with the Blastmaster set, and there's a bow in the Past Linked set.

I made a small compilation mod that adds all the Skulltag weapons to Gzdoom (except the minigun), and also adds a Sniper Rifle, Flamethrower and Dual Pistols. It's all mods by other people, of course, but I thought it would be a neat way to spice up the weapon roster in a way that doesn't feel too invasive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Qs2kqPYJ4jWpznmrAzzUNvKqOXuTLI3N/view?usp=share_link

What do you guys think? Any weapons you think should be added/removed? Any changes you'd make? I can't figure out how to get the machine gun to be a lower priority than the chaingun and it's pissing me off. Any advice on how to do that would be helpful.

>>9872871
I prefer how Samsara tries to get the "feel" of the characters down to small unnoticeable details (Like Parias' secret notifications being written like some of Hexen's progress texts) and even some of the differences like Chex guy not being a Doomguy reskin anymore.
QCDE is fine but it being based on an existing game and sticking to its rules also means characters aren't "explored enough".
You got to play as Caleb but it's a very small portion of the character.
There's also weird things like the Marathon rep not being Mjolnir 54 himself but Durandal and how every character needs voice lines that even Gordon Freeman has G-Man talking.
Meanwhile, original QC made Doomguy being silent a feature of him.
Perhaps the concern of Samsara was being made too soon because of the tech at the time.
Add-ons also ignore the rules set by the base mod, like how pickups are supposed to be abstract looking because they relate to "equivalents" to what a character gets.
Videogame crossovers in general have this issue of "representation for the sake of it" vs "balance/uniqueness/etc" because even if the ladder is more important, you also end up partially admitting that being a crossover isn't the main point anymore.
But there's also the irony of "we're celebrating videogames but fucking up the gameplay a bit, the most important element of the medium".
>>9871306
It's neat to look at these obscure, less known games because even if they're copycats they also come off as exploring certain aesthetics and mechanics that you wonder if some stuff could have been in the games they're imitating.
They can also serve as bases of inspirations for stuff like mods.

>>9873289
>Do you have any info on the freakout?
tl;dr he got mad because dumptruck made a video about iw like if he were the face of quake or something

>>9873469
>I can't figure out how to get the machine gun to be a lower priority than the chaingun and it's pissing me off. Any advice on how to do that would be helpful.

Depends on how you're doing it, if in decorate or something it's Weapon.SlotPriority with the higher number having the higher priority or if you're doing your slot stuff in keyconf you just switch the order.

>>9873492
Like I know, but I don't know what the priority of the vanilla chaingun is and its annoying me.

>>9873496
Probably doesn't have one or it's 1 or something, easiest thing may be to just set up a new one inherited from the vanilla one and give it a slot priority value.

>>9873445
Walpurgis also has the Druid with her ultimate.

>>9873505
So I just like, recreate the vanilla Chaingun in decorate and give it a higher priority number?

>>9871712
I know nothing about Zone wads, but author seems to have hit his stride with it compared to Whispers of Satan and anything he's done before. Episodes take design cues from original Doom ones with substantially bigger playtime and monster count clocking in hundreds, you may play it continuously in one stretch for a literal odyssey experience. Besides a couple of duds like very much dull E1M8 homage, I'd say it's consistent in quality it has to offer, competent mapping is followed by equally competent original soundtrack. With second episode it starts to cut loose off Romero's techbases, and the third is especially long and gloomy take on Inferno. Don't stack up on those cells and rockets.

>>9873237
It's tone-deaf with its humor, but you're overanalyzing the amount of effort it took to be made.

>>9873508
Yep, something like this should work, I think.

>>9873520
Yep, that worked! And I'm doing the same thing to make the Grenade Launcher have a lower priority than the Rocket Launcher. Very cool.

>>9872853
I guess you could make it by putting a bit of Samsara into QC:DE : Keep the QC weapons with a single one being replaced by a unique weapon for each character, like the SSG for Doomguy, Minigun for Sam, etc.
I think another mod/game already does that, but I can't remember which one.

>>9873524
>>9873469
Now, for a little more polish, I wanna try giving the dual pistols a unique pickup sprite (layering two pistols on top of each other should do fine) and maybe even one for the fists so they all look good together in my weapon wheel mod.

>>9873393
>Reminds me of a article i read years ago about how in Mass Effect 3, there was going to be a final boss, but the devs decided not to because it felt too video gamey.
Don't even remind me about that interactive shitstain. . .
I stole every internet-capable mobile device and computer in my household to manually spoof votes for nominating EA the worst company in America, and I'm not even a burgerclapper

>>9870710
I'm having loads of fun with it.

>>9873552
Glad you're enjoying it. This update definitely made me step up my art game.

>>9873563
Between this and the standard Combined_Arms you really seem to have been finding your own sort of artistic niche in the last handful of years.

>>9873568
I'm hoping to have it show in GMOTA as well, I think it's more noticeable with Blaz's HUD.

I wanna set this to be the "pickup sprite" for Doom Guy's fists. Any tips on how?

>>9873578
in decorate, of course

>>9873578
>>9873581
as an example, check the spawn section here.

https://zdoom.org/wiki/Classes:Chainsaw

>>9872821
whats this from?

>be spiritual guy after being atheist for decades
>always enjoyed lots of retro fps since I was a kid in the 90's with liberal for the time parents
>wife reconnected with her mainstream faith
>constantly bothers me about it now
>throws away my beautiful red doom cover t-shirt because it was inviting evil into our home

>>9873606
I wish you well in your coming divorce.

>>9873606
why would she throw away something that doesn't belong to her?
I truly don't understand american culture, sounds like a living nightmare