/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9870949
Gyromite, NES Volleyball and Clu Clu Land

>>9870949
>a few of the early NES games are likely candidates I guess.

Not even close. Those were inventive times, times when creativity was real. You're probably only saying this because you're young, in the same manner some people "do not watch black & white movies".
The worst Nintendo games are not retro. But out of the retro games, Majora's Mask and the CD-I stuff takes the cake.

>>9870949
Yoshi games are pretty rocky in terms of quality.
I think this shit right here takes the cake in being the absolute worst.

Wave Race on the Gameboy

Kirby 64 is my pick

>>9870962
I get what you mean, but try playing Urban Fight for more than an hour today.
>>9870964
also never got the hype for it. huge disappointed after SMW2.

>>9870949
Adventure of Link. It's just a mishmash of random genre elements trying to spruce up a basic core gameplay that by the devs' own admission just wasn't particularly worthwhile on its own.

Finding those worthwhile simple cores and making the most of them is something Nintendo was fully capable of doing and excelled at. AoL is an ok game but definitely below their potential and standards.

>>9870962
Man... you started off so strong too. and yet, the inevitable happened.
>>9870964
I understand Yoshi's Story but a disappointment and short, but i cant imagine it out of all nintendo games, it's the worst.
>>9870960
Clu Clu Land is fine as an arcade game. I never played the other 2.
>>9870975
Same as Yoshi's Story. i get it's a disappointment, but the music is too banging.

It wasn't until like 2014 when I saw a speedrun of Kid Icarus and learned the whole game isn't a vertical platformer. I've never made it past stage 3 or so.

Define "made by Nintendo".

>>9870986
> yet, the inevitable happened.
To be honest I don't think that anon is trolling. Majora's Mask is not for everyone as opposed to other Nintendo titles, it probably wasn't designed to have universal appeal. I realise that it's objectively great because it does something truly unique that you can't experience in any other medium (films, books, etc) but I personally had less fun playing it than any other Nintendo game. So I wouldn't be trolling If I said that fucking Mole Mania is a better video game for me

>>9870973
Alleyway is way worse.

>>9871013
not op, but i think "published by nintendo" is the only way to discuss this concept without someone constantly going
>well actually!

Kid Icarus is great though. You just need to avoid getting filtered by the first level.

The thing that gets me about Kid Icarus is they expect you to grind your ass off.

>>9871059
Does entering every door along the way equate to grinding? Because that's literally all you have to do to have enough exp to get every power up, baby.

>>9870960
>Clu Clu Land
Yeah this game is lame and arbitrary, but it is a kind of a neat archaeological curiosity in terms of Zelda assets.

>>9871056
>Kid Icarus is great though
haha
>>9871056
>You just need to avoid getting filtered by the first level.
LOL
-t. has gotten past the first level, Protip: The game keeps on a suckin'

>>9870949
Urban Champion is awful.

Donkey Kong Jr Math is absurdly low effort.

GameFreak, but Pokemon Channel is such a "wtf is the point of this" product, it doesn't even have the Hey Pikachu gimmick to stand on. Only thing worth playing it for is the emulated Pokemon Mini and the exclusive games on this disc for it.

Im sure there is more I will think of, but i had more fun with the Nintendo CDi games then these.

>>9871456
Urban Champion is fine, it's also the very first bmup

>>9870949

Magnetic Soccer is pretty bad. Basically foosball in video game form but slow and boring. Also, why call it "soccer" if it was only released in Europe? I was published and possibly developed by Nintendo themselves but there's barely any information about this game online.

>>9870949
I'm gonna say Urban Champion. Very, very dumb game.

>>9871471
If you count rock-paper-scissors, except with only two options and the occasional stage hazard the origins of beat em ups, i guess.

>>9871442
the bibles in zelda 1 come from devil world (the superior tendy pacman ripoff)

>>9871497
>devil world
Where have I seen this played lately? Is this on Nintendo's Online thing?
Btw their pro controllers are junk.
Anyway that is interesting, thanks anon. I like learning this stuff.

>>9871481
I find there are a couple Nintendo titles like that which barely anyone knows about, like the gameboy exclusive sequel to Tennis and speaking of europe, they also had Othello on gb and published Elite Soccer. Also GameBoy Gallery, the predecessor to Game&Watch Gallery that may have been Australia only?

It's obviously Urban Champion, complete dud of a game.

>>9871524
Urban Champion is hilarious as well as based and redpilled.
https://youtu.be/CRQmUDuXpX8?t=543

>>9871538
popeye is the superior nintendo 1930s urban style game about two guys fighting

>>9871572
Popeye for arcade or NES or both fun when the mood strikes me, but I prefer Urban Champion for it superior presentation and use of dark humor.

>>9870962
Nintendo had no involvement with the CD-i games' development beyond providing the license, so I wouldn't call them Nintendo games. They're basically just legal fangames (assuming the devs had even played a Zelda game before).

>>9870962
>CD-I stuff
Nintendo didn't make those, they only licensed it to some shitty American company, and after they saw the results, they neverrrrr everrrrrrrrr did that again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_CD-i_games

>>9871613
>>9871617
They made it happen and they're official, cope more.

Hotel Mario is about on par with something like Wrecking Crew and I would rate it a better game then a couple NES stinkers Nintendo released. Nintendo themselves could of/should of done their own companion version of it on the gameboy or something.

Same with the zeldas. None of them are particularly great, but they still beat out some stuff Nintendo actually released on their own hardware. If anything, they are the closest thing to what a Zelda game made from the ground up for the 80s microcomputers may have felt like in their gameplay, so take whatever from that. At the very least, they are all amusing, have some nice visuals and a generally good soundtrack(for two of them).
>>9871456 Has it right with Pokemon Channel. That game is a supremely greater waste of time for anyone to "play" then any of the CDi games.

>>9871447
sure you did, anon.

>>9871679
I got the Nintendo Online save state to prove it. Not uploading soon, but I could.

>>9870964
Yoshi on the NES might qualify as Nintendo's worst game. It's not functionally poor or anything but it's such a boring game they seemed to shit out just to keep the NES around long enough to justify the existence of the top loader.

>>9871456
>>9871471
Urban Champion is awesome. It's perfect for drunk gaming with friends. It's also bizarrely like a proto Smash Bros., what with the stage interactions and ring outs.

>>9871647
>cope more
The fuck did you say this for? Are you ESL? You know what 'cope' means, right? Or do you just spout cool /v/ words?

>>9871687
It's not bad at all, though, don't think it's boring.

>>9871696
This. It's hilarious when the cops show up and the two fighters just whistle innocently until the fuzz goes away.

It's kind of cheating because it's meant to be educational but Donkey Kong Jr. Math is probably up there.

>>9871704
The lack of any premise is also hilarious to me. For some reason I imagine these two guys have thick ass Scottish accents because it's just a random pub fight.

>>9871708
Every time I try to play it I can't get it to work. haw haw enter le jokes, but really it's not intuitive like the other games in terms of controls.

>>9871708
And yet, as far as edutainment goes, it's pretty fun.

>>9871684
>using savestates

>>9871715
Exactly. Those two guys are fighting over the dumbest shit ever, just like real life, which enhance my enjoyment of the game being a non-drinking gamer n' all.

>>9870985
this. the amount of cope and mental gymnastics people perform to defend this thing is unreal

>>9871721
It hear you, but I didn't cheat at all to get to that point, but it is technically a save state that I made to save it, yes. I pushed myself harder than ever after all these decades to do my best and I did, by beating level one.

>>9871725
Yikes^
It's a masterpiece, you plebs.

>>9871721
At least he even bothered to use them instead of lazily rewinding. I'm pretty sure that soon they'll just put TASbot in their emulator services, it will play all of the games itself

>>9871725
Zelda II's problems though are mostly localized to how Link himself controls. His tiny shiv and loose mechanics are the fundamental problem. Fix that and the game is way better. Not saying the player character controls aren't a big issue but it's like TMNT. It's a sloppy game that wants to be good.

>>9871737
if it didnt have zelduh on the cover you and everyone else would rightly hate it

>>9871731
>Using Save States to skip inputting passwords
Yeah, this makes more sense. I think KI's difficulty is due to the arcade mentality even at home remaining there, but I'll never forget Iwata's comments on GameCenter CX in regards to retro difficulty.

>>9871748
>In the future, zooms will make retro games play themselves and claim they finished them
God, I dread this

>>9871752
>zelduh
lol new to me. Git güd.

>>9871752
Even Zelda fans hate Zelda 2, though, only /vr/ has infamously loved and praised the game.

>>9871731
>>9871753
I use save states to save my state and you can literally lube your tongue with my anal gland grease if you don't like it

go on, get real deep in there, i had some corn on the cob today

>>9871759
Oh, this utterly retarded ass zoomer meme again.

>>9871753
>Yeah, this makes more sense. I think KI's difficulty is due to the arcade mentality even at home remaining there,
Yes the password system is an abomination not unlike the one in Deadly Towers and I'm just not dealing with it, and yeah the game is cheap due to its arcade roots.

>>9871760
>>/lgbt/

I'm sure there's some random G&W game that technically qualifies as Nintendo's worst game. Personally I fucking hate Wario's Woods. Just the way Toad moves bothers me because it's so unintuitive.

>>9871752
Actually, if it didn't have Zelda on the cover less people would hate lmao. Same with Mario Sunshine which is better than literally any Crash game, any 3D Rare platformer and so on but still gets shat on because apparently every Mario game needs to be a timeless classic to not be hated

>#8 best selling NES game of all time
>beat every Dragon Quest
>beat every Final Fantasy
>beat every Castlevania
>beat every Mega Man
>beat fucking Metroid
>"o-o-o-only /vr/ likes it, i know c-cause my favorite angry youtube eceleb told me this game wasnt popular 20 years before i was born..."

Zooming should be a crime.

>>9870960
Stack-up is easily the worst black box game, if not DK Jr. Math. Clu clu land is great, bad take. Haven't given Gyromite (with ROB) or Volleyball an honest try. I know Volleyball has an obtuse control scheme, maybe it starts getting good once you get into it. I'd imagine Baseball gets worse than it at that point.

>>9871794
Indeed. Funny thing back in the 80s, no one, I mean, no one thought Zelda II was uncool or too hard. It was certainly considered very difficult back then, but nowhere near impossible.
Battletoads on the other hand is nearly impossible and deserves the hate it gets.

>>9871773
Ive played most Game&Watch games and they are all pretty solid as far as being simplistic, LCD games. If you want to claim any as bad or un-inspired, they did a Blackjack one and Pinball which are just kinda eh. If we want to extend the definition of "Nintendo game" to anything Nintendo gave the ok for, you could count the wrist Game Watches lcd games from the late 80s and 90s. Those games are actually pure shit besides maybe Tetris and the one game where you play as Peach. Microscopic view screen doesnt help. The Nintendo Mini Classics line also had some original titles based on stuff like Yu-Gi-Oh, Spiderman and StarTrek that are probably not great either because they were not based on Game&Watch titles like the rest of the series and im assuming outsourced to whatever companies manufactured the Minis.

>>9871814
I love the Turbo Tunnel and frequently replay that for fun, but the ice stage and that wheelie thing can suck my nuts
also fucking SCUZZ

>>9870949
Probably Ice Climbers. The jumping physics are complete shit and that's the entire game.

>>9871823
It's a quality game that was thoroughly ruined by insane game company reactions to rental sales by creating that out of this world difficulty.
Fuck that game, I am never getting good with it because it demands that I marry the game and have its babies. No thanks.

>>9871834
You weren't willing to put in the effort, and now I have a loving wife and 5 kids, with a 6th on the way.

>>9871848
haha I hope your glitches in the night are few.

>>9871829
get good.

>>9871725
Zoomers can't understand the past. It's not your fault.

>>9871759
No they don't.

>>9871863
Zelda II straight up intimidates them. They hate that which they cannot master.

>>9871814
Best post. Zoomers love to be critical of the past they never experienced.

>>9870985
Bravo

>>9871871
The zoomer trifecta of butthurt is Castlevania 2, Final Fantasy 2 and Zelda 2.

>>9870985
>devs' own admission just wasn't particularly worthwhile on its own
You aren't that romhack anon who shits up every thread, are you?

>>9871891
>Castlevania 2
To be fair that game is total bullshit and unfun.

>>9870985
oh shut the fuck up. i never actually gave the game a proper chance until the zelda gamecube collectors disk and it easily became one of my favorite NES games. the combat and exploration are both top notch.

>>9871904
I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion and it's refreshing that you weren't an asshole about it like other anons.

>>9871687
this game beats the hell out of yoshis cookie

>>9871913
>I disagree
Not saying the game doesn't have good qualities too, but yes it rubs me the wrong way. Still, I do play it a bit, like for a few minutes to get the nostalgia from the music and sucking at it then I'm good for months, years even.
The music is insanely nice, gotta say.


>and it's refreshing that you weren't an asshole about it like other anons.
I want to be nice and I want others to be nice. The times I've been an asshole I felt dirty inside and even on the rougher boards I'm trying to be reasonable. not drinking anymore helps. Thank you. You sound cool.

Presumably nothing post-NES qualifies unless we're going to be really contrarian about it.

>>9871753
I wonder if someone could make an AI good enough to beat any retro game.

>>9871753
>In the future, zooms will make retro games play themselves and claim they finished them

They already do that. They make TASes and upload them as "longplays" on youtube, and then brag about how they're happy their skills help other players.

>>9871993
It's probably well within the ability of current AI considering in any game there's a finite number of lose conditions. It'd basically be a TAS machine.

>>9871056
>Kid Icarus is great though. You just need to avoid getting filtered by the first level.
Nah it's shit and janky as fuck

I dont know if it counts, but man, the super scope and all the games attached to it suck shit
you know its a terrible horrible accesory to a console, when the price market is less than 40-50 bucks even when full in box
How Nintendo manage to make the lightgun but worse and more expensive? and the games are just super boring, make Duck Hunt look a fucking masterpiece

>>9872271
As a fat little rich kid from the 80's, the Super Scope is the first time I ever felt myself showing restraint. I had a friend who got one and we spent two hours trying to get it working with Yoshi's Safari and at the end of it I was disgusted. I told my mom that if she had bought me one for Christmas she should take it back and save her money.

>>9872271
Battle Clash is ballin', dunno what you're talking about

Ah, yes bad Nintendo games. It is strange how those stopped being made right at the cutoff for retro games, making this a prime topic of discussion for the retro games board.

>>9872271
Metal combat is great

>>9872417
Yeah, it's basically Punch Out with a gun.

>>9872386
just because bad games are still being made you can't talk about the old ones? retard

>>9870960
These are strong contenders, except I fucking LOVE Volleyball.

>>9872449
Nobody said that but whatever makes you feel smart. Enjoy your visit. They miss you back at /v/ already.

>>9870949
I think some of their early NES games are the worst in the absolute sense, in that they were very rough and not particularly fun to play even at the time compared to other games.

That being said, I'd point to things like the GBA Zelda and Mario re-releases as being the worst relative to other games at the time, they're a remake of an old game that actively makes it worse by adding unnecessary things to the experience. I can forgive the NES games being rough because their foray into video games was early at this time and they were trying a lot of different things, but later on is simply out of touch execs directing things based on guesswork what people wanted.

I love Kid Icarus, better dungeon design than Zelda 1.

>>9872271
Filtered

>>9871814
>>9871823
>>9871834
>>9871851
Battletoads did have a reputation for being brutal, but it's actually not that bad. It requires a fair amount of memorization. Also, most of the stages have totally different mechanics, many of which are jank.

I owned it on my NES as a kid, and I could beat it with no warps or cheats. It took me probably about 10-15 hours of playing it repeatedly, but that's not so bad. In fact, I loaded it up a few years ago and did another run and beat it first try with no warps or cheats.

It's a hard game, but it doesn't require any particularly difficult execution. It's not, like, a kaizo hack.

>>9870949
Wii Music is pretty bad. Virtual Boy actually had some good games but was hampered down by horrible hardware. Nintendo didn't really enter their shovelware era until the Wii and Wii U with stuff like NintendoLand and Amiibo Festival. Their weird kiddie stuff around this time period is part of what prompted me to get back into older games, more specifically SEGA stuff. It eventually became really difficult to find any real niche with modern gaming since most everything else was brown shooters or "mature action games".

>>9871808

>I'd imagine Baseball gets worse than it at that point.

I have a weird relationship with that game
I've had no idea about baseball rules as a kid (still no clue, not American), but played it all the time imagining my own rules.
Basically, if I could score a "home run" that would be like major win for your team, and maybe if i'll score three or more homeruns in one game I would see an ending or some extra scene where they go home lol. I've never managed to do it though


Same with Golf and 10-yard Fight, except I played it with friend visiting me before school. Great time.

All these people saying Urban Champion is bad have been tricked by the usual.
It perfectly captures one of the facets of 70's new york in game form. It's perfectly playable. Sure its simple, but most games of its time are.

I have two different answers depending on what you mean by worse.

1. The worse game is probably some obscure "golden age" arcade game. Frankly that entire era is weak. Not shitty but weak. I just don't see any reason to invest a serious amount of time in them.

2. Probably some modern shit like Kid Icarus Uprising. I'm a shotafag and pit is A+ design but like many modern Nintendo games the style and visual is nice while the mechanical side is unacceptable. Padded out with bloated features that actually make the game worse (like the grinding/heart thing should have just let me pick my weapon like picking ships in a shmup), the enemy formations and what good play is like, just every aspect of the mechanics is terrible. I'm sure there are worse modern Nintendo games. I'm honestly not sure what I would rather do if given the choice between playing one of the less celebrated "golden age" arcade games for an hour vs shitty bloat like Uprising. I've got a choice between solid mechanics but bare bones in visuals and content or a choice between very nice aesthetics but the actual gameplay is a snoozer.

>>9873282
Worst post in the thread.

Id say kirbys tilt n tumble. Played it for a bit and im just like no. This shit aint for me.

>>9873313
I don't know much about Uprising but I kind of agree with what he is saying, NES and G&W-era Nintendo had a lot of jank but modern Nintendo is just very shallow/soulless despite having better hardware. It's hard to explain.

>>9873282
>I'm a shotafag and pit is A+ design
Opinion already discarded, what a fag, no wonder you didn't like Uprising.
I don't give a shit about Pit's design (the girls in the game are hot though), but Uprising was a great game. I don't even remember about grinding, I remember there was some kind of weapon customization/crafting system but it was a secondary thing, if you got good you didn't need to rely on any "gridning" and just use whatever you had at hand. It has weird controls with the way you control the camera using the stylus, but at the same time its unique controls somehow work for the kind of hybrid melee combat/shooting aspect the game has. I thoroughly enjoyed Uprising, was one of my favorite games from 7th gen even.

>>9870949
The early Nintendo games are ok. They are just early videogames. Kid Icarus is really good for an early video game that was coded in a short time.

>>9873817

>>9873820

>>9870975
I also thought of this

>>9870949
All educational Mario games

>>9870960
>NES Volleyball
This has to be the worst game they ever made considering I never once saw it featured on 99999999 in 1 famiclone carts. I didn't even know it existed until your post.

>>9873859
Mario's Missing is kino

>>9873864
It wasn't included in Animal Crossing either, even though it had all the other generic NES sports games

nes volleyball is adorable and stars little thicc 8-bit babes. it's just harder than actual volleyball. still more to sink your teeth into than urban champion.

>>9870949
I thought Kid Icarus was going to be great, but the controls feel really bad

>>9873864
>too shitty even for Chinese bootleggers
Now that's really something.

>>9873864
>>9873889

It was on Ball Series multicarts along with other sports and sport-ish games.
As kids, we giggled at these sprite animations.

>>9873150
Oh yeah. Wii Music for sure.

>>9873886
And it's too unforgiving. It makes Ninja Gaiden III look like Super Mario Bros. 2 Mario Madness.

>>9873918
I played the other NES sports but couldn't even figure out how to control this. and it has an annoying whistle noise throughout. I remember the girl sprites looking cute

>>9874031
Kid Icarus gets easier the further in the game you get. Making the first level a vertical ratchet scroller was pretty nasty of them. If the thing simply let you fall without dying it would make the game much more accessible.

But fuck Eggplant Wizard. What a piece of shit.

>>9873881
As per me? it's Brazil.

>>9874152
I also detest the shop system, password system, sound effects, and color scheme.

>>9874170
The shop is very obtuse, yeah. The passwords are fine for their day and I don't have a problem with the sound and visuals but the way items work and what they're used for are not intuitive at all.

>>9874174
And it's just tew fuggin hard, man. I played the Nintendo Online Special version of it and it was still too hard. Look, difficult games can be excellent, but Kid Icarus isn't one of them, it's not even an ok game, it's very, very dismally bad and for some reason Nintendo pushed it in its cartoons, but no one was buying.
I knew NO ONE back in the 80s or early 90s that had Kid Icarus or even saw it for rental. No one cared and almost no one cares now outside of this thread.

>>9870949
Has to be Urban Champion. I'm old enough to have played a lot of the black box games in the late 80s/early 90s. There are games I logged a ton of time in that were products of their time like Pinball, Metroid, Excitebike and Clu Clu Land, but Urban Champion was not even particularly well liked back then.

>>9871248
No, and no it isnt.

>>9871026
Alleyway is awesome the fuck you smoking

>>9874180
I don't know. I remember Kid Icarus being among the main NES flagships. It's true that Captain N probably contributed to that reputation but if you asked people to list off the "biggest" Nintendo games it'd be very close to the top. Not necessarily among the best or people's favorites, but certainly among the most famous in terms of pure reputation. In fact the only reason I bet that it fell out of favor is because it didn't get an SNES sequel. We'd probably be talking about Metroid the same way had Super Metroid never happened.

>>9874363
>but certainly among the most famous in terms of pure reputation
It was all Nintendo Power's propaganda machine, nothing more. Well, and Captain N.

>I bet that it fell out of favor is because it didn't get an SNES sequel
No it didn't get a real sequel because they knew they couldn't sell it owing to the real reputation of the original.

>We'd probably be talking about Metroid the same way had Super Metroid never happened.
Mmmm no. While it shares the same engine, it's quite more fair and thus engaging, it was always going to get a sequel, but if it didn't, it'd still be a classic, that I also don't happen to care very much for. heh

>>9870985
>not worthwhile on it’s own
Need a source on that, Faggot

Nips generally don’t talk trash on their own projects

Zelda 2 is not an awful game. Yes, it was inspired by other RPGs so things are a little different. It’s hard, and in some cases confusing. This was the era of drawing Maps, and calling the hotline.

Legitimately added the most major elements that would become later staples though.

-Combat maneuvers,
- the first game with magic (including being able to transform into a fairy and fly - the first example of magic transformation for Link), and thus also a magic meter
- the first game with actual human NPC’s (only the old man & witch existed in zelda 1 and they barely count)

>>9870949
I always hated donkey kong even 1980s arcade kid me hated it. A shitty platformer with one level. Was then and is now.

>>9874453
>-Combat maneuvers,
>- the first game with magic (including being able to transform into a fairy and fly - the first example of magic transformation for Link), and thus also a magic meter
What are you even talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jITYe_VQ_1k
That is 1985, suprised I could find a video for you Zelda 2 was 1987. Even at the time Zelda was very weak compared to earlier innovation elsewhere like Lords of Midnight.

>>9871472
Finally someone spoke the truth.
There isn't a single redeeming factor in this game.

Anyone bothered to make a DK1 NES RomHack that re-introduced the arcade original's cement factory stage yet?

>>9874359
It's one of the dullest video games I've ever played.
Compared to other paddlin' games it's poor, considering its basic physics and lack of power-ups. A two-player mode like some of the other early Game Boy titles from Nintendo had might've helped, but they couldn't even be bothered to do that.
Wave Race has far more going for it.

>>9875762
>one level
you're retarded

>>9875762
You didn't get past the first screen? I mean I understand when people get filter'd by the beginning of Kid Icarus but DK's first loop isn't even hard

>>9870949
Zelda I, Kid Icarus

>>9871029
Would it not be more fitting for it to be confined to games actually made by Nintendo, rather than just published by them? Because there are a number of games that were published by Nintendo that were made by someone else. Like Faxanadu (Hudson), MegaMan 6 (Capcom), RC Pro-Am (Rare) or Final Fantasy (Square).

>>9876675
>Zelda I
Fuck off, Zelda is an objectively great game.

>>9870949
Sticker Star would be my general answer simply because that game does not work at any level, but that's not /vr/ yet.

Alternatively, I'm going to cheat and say Mario is Missing or Mario's Time Machine. I know a lot of people are bringing up DK Jr. Math, but at least that game provides a semi-engaging method of learning the subject. MiM and MTM are dry walking simulators where the core gameplay loop is just walking up an NPC, being awkwardly exposited upon, and putting the correct fact into the fill-in-the-blank test. I really like history and geography, but fuck me if that isn't the most boring way to teach those subjects.

>>9875858
interestingly there's a very rare official hack with it, only found on european red wiis and as a 2012 club nintendo reward for 3ds

Nintendo have never made a bad game.

>>9871794
i think zelda 2 has the best swordplay in literally all zelda games, 2d or 3d, /vr/ or otherwise

>>9876957
That's not a high bar. The 3D games might have a lot of moves but they're all pointless since the difficulty is braindead. Zelda 2 actually requires you to learn how the combat works.

>>9877001
exactly
the 3D combat was accidentally brilliant, and then theres absolutely no reason to use any of it

It's too easy to make excuses for Nintendo's early stuff given how experimental and inexperienced the game industry was as a whole back then and how prevalent the "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" attitude everyone had. You really have to get into more recent games to find stuff that can only leave you wondering what the fuck Nintendo was thinking.

Like I'm reading everything in this thread and I just keep saying over and over
>yeah but at least it's not fucking Amiibo Festival

>>9877361
It depends how you want to define "worst." No modern Nintendo game has busted physics or otherwise janky mechanics. So you'd have to stretch the definition to incorporate expected standards of the day into the equation like this anon said. >>9872543

Something like Labo, where they're selling you cardboard, might rank up there just on the gall of it.

>>9877361
Amiibo festival was such a dissapointment because an AC themed Monopoly/Fortune Street/Game of Life could have been fun even if you were forced to use amiibo as your player piece.

>>9877405
Labo isn't too bad honestly in the sense it captures the charms of something like R.O.B. and packs together a bunch of tech demo like experiences. I could see a kid having fun building and then using what they made.

What about those Super Mario Bros. and Zelda Game & Watch "collectibles"? It's not the worst functioning game but it's certainly among the more offensive things they've released.

There's also this bullshit:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133596809289

Even the shittiest NES game is more excusable than a lot of the collector bait they've put out from time to time.

>>9877501
These are what, 30 bucks? I think they're harmless. They pack some neat little easter eggs into them and extras and its a fun way to bring back the game&watch brand. It's more annoying the dumb choices they make on them like not having the Mario G&W titles on the mario one or the Zelda G&W for the zelda one. I actually wish they did one a year, like a kirby, a fire emblem one with the other game you linked, mother trilogy, an actual game&watch collection. I could see a lot worse "collectibles" to blow cash on once a year. Plus you can always mod em.

Honestly it's a bit of a testament to Nintendo that it's not all that easy to answer this question. I can't think of a single game that I'd call legitimately garbage.

>>9874350
Yes, it is. I've gone through the half a dozen times and never had to do more than that.

>>9871447
>>9872238
>I still can't beat KI's first level, so let me respond with no argument.
Haha

>>9877774
More like a testament of how few games you've played

>>9871808
Stack-Up is barely even a game. It should've been a fucking crime to sell that along with another useless ROB accessory that doesn't even matter because the game has no way of keeping track of your "blocks"

>>9875768
He means elements that would become staples of the Zelda series lol

>>9876675
What a loser.

>>9870949
Pro Wrestling is pretty shit but at least it had "A winner is you!"
>>9870964
This is a great game if you view it as a cute spinoff like it is. Yoshi's Island was developed as Super Mario Bros. 5 so it has the Nintendo A-team level of quality. This was just a little side game, and by that standard it's pretty fun. The Yoshi games after this are much worse, and usually not even made by Nintendo as they started punting everything but their biggest mainline projects to side studios.

>>9874363
>Captain N probably contributed to that reputation
Kid Icarus was on Captain N because of the game's popularity, not the reverse.

>>9872591
Fuck no, this is a good game.

>>9873886
It feels bad to press a button to move the guy? You don't get used to things after doing them a while?

This is the worst for me.

A bunch of the early NES games (I think they've all been mentioned already) don't really hold up anymore, but I hesitate to say they're bad because I did have fun with them as a kid.

>>9871852
>get good
But the game isn't fun

>>9879751
Not a very good puzzle game because it's too random later on, but very fun multiplayer. NES version has significantly better presentation.

Though I'd like to see the return of Stanley the Bugman, Donkey Kong 3 is a miserable game.

>>9879818
It's not as good as the first two but I don't think it's bad.

What about some Satellaview stuff? BS F-Zero isn't in and of itself bad per se but it feels so much like a fan hack.

>>9877428
You know I've seen this thread for a few days, and the more I think about it, the more I come back to Amiibo Festival being the clear correct answer. Bad, soulless, and anti consumer. It's got the trifecta. And even on just the merits as a game and not considering the Amiibo shit, it's still the worst.

>>9870960
>Clu Clu Land
shit opinion. its fun

>>9877361
>yeah but at least it's not fucking Amiibo Festival
You know even Nintendo thought the Wii U was a sinking ship when they wouldn't even make a proper Animal Crossing for it and instead released a huge update for the 3DS one completely free, years after the original game released.

>>9870985
It's not one of Nintendo's worst, but it is pretty mid. They really needed to fix the life and continue system, and needed to have warping. Having to start all the way from the temple where Zelda's lying in-state and have to traverse the map all the way back to where you Game Over-ed gets pretty ridiculous by the last few temples. Why this game didn't have an equivalent to the recorder/warp whistle from Zelda 1 is beyond me.

>>9881096
Not to get too far out of /vr/ land, but its really surprising that Nintendo just could not figure out how to do anything worth while with the dual screen gimmick on Wii U when the DS and 3DS exist. I can't think of any game that properly used it in a neat way. Every neat idea usually didn't work in practice, like the kirby game with awesome claymation visuals, but the way the game is played basically forces you to play it on a tiny screen. No fucking Tingle Tuner use of it in Wind Waker HD. Even fucking minecraft couldn't be arsed to use it for inventory management. And the bastards couldn't even make a DS/3DS player add on for it.

The Wii U is more disappointing then the Virtual Boy honestly. That atleast did take advantage of the tech for a lot of games, it was just killed off early.

>>9881123
The one game that used it in an interesting way was Zombii U, by Ubisoft of all people. Go figure. Actually Rayman Legends is probably best played with a Wii U gamepad. Really Nintendo never got past Nintendo land in terms of utilizing the pad.

I find it weird that people say Kid Icarus is bad. It is the hardest during the first few stages, but the upgrade system is so enjoyable that I don't see it as an issue. It even makes sense thematically, you get out of hell and it becomes a smooth sailing. And the dungeons are great, like someone already mentioned here.

>>9871891
Castlevania 2 is one of those titles thats more interesting in analyzing the concepts of the gameplay than actually engaging with. The fact that it has garbage bosses and not too engaging level design places it squarely in historical footnote-tier instead of a classic retro game. Its interesting. Just not a great game to play.
Zelda 2 just gets way too tedious towards the final castle. which is a shame, because I enjoyed playing it up until that disastrous grind towards the end.
I never cared for the OG final fantasies.

>>9881268
Castlevania 2 and Zelda 2 are like TMNT. They're fun to play but if you try to actually beat them it becomes a chore.

>>9871794
genx here. i remember when this game was new. it wasn't that bad! consider how people would have reacted if nintendo had simply rehashed zelda1. they needed to do something different, and they accomplished that. i will admit, at the time, it was disappointing compared to zelda1 though.

>>9883194
>that image
That's a stretch.
The lake is similar, but that just might be the coincidence of designers using the same "offset a rectangle to avoid a bland shape" technique in both games.

>>9876930
Sounds like bullshit but I'd believe it - since we're talking about the company that invented the E-reader and what is pretty much physical DLC