/vr/ - Retro Games

Is that supposed to be a lot of money?

The madness will cease when nobody buys it and the guy goes out of business and a liquidator puts it on eBay for fifty bucks.

>>9863416
i bought a boxed n64 in 2009 for $40

>>9863416
I paid more than that for a Saturn when it was new. Why do you expect things to be cheaper?

>>9863459
That's how it used to be.
>thing is new: base price
>thing is old: low price
>thing is an antique: high price

>>9863482
I would say a working Saturn nearly 30 years later given how those things were built is closer to antique status than just old. I find the assumption that just because you got to the party late, everything you want should be pennies on the dollar or you're getting ripped off repugnant. But whatever. I have what I want, you can cry about prices all you like.

game collectors are mentally ill

>>9863459
Want to buy my Sentra for msrp?

>>9863535
This. Its practically hoarding

>>9863535
Owning copies of games is a mental illness now?

>>9863551
owning copies of games you don't care and will probably never play, is a mental illness

>>9863416
Around 2015 , 80 bucks + shipping got me two working Saturns in good condition.
>a model 1 and 2
>the model 2 was region hacked
>came with two controllers (admittedly one of them was kind of fucked up)
>came with the action replay cart
Granted, I had to look a long time on ebay to find a deal that good. Never set foot in these retro game shops, don't even look through the window.

>>9863573
Which illness is that?

>Boot up emulator
>costs me $0

?

>>9863590
>Hoarding disorder is an ongoing difficulty throwing away or parting with possessions because you believe that you need to save them. You may experience distress at the thought of getting rid of the items. You gradually keep or gather a huge number of items, regardless of their actual value.

>>9863542
Cars break down quickly and become less practical each year to use so that's a poor comparison. If you had good a copy of Batman #497 kicking around, would you be happy to sell it for the buck and a quarter you originally paid?

>>9863416
That shit is their property
They have the right to sell it at whatever retarded price they want

>>9863598
So this doesn't apply to anyone collecting videogames
There is a show about actual hoarders, watch it and learn what a real hoarder is. You retarded subhuman

>>9863748
hit a nerve anon?

>>9863416
never you should have got all the games you wanted 15 years ago

>>9863598
That's a stretch for all but those retards with entire rooms filled wall to wall with games.

>>9863860
>>9863598
>>9863590
>>9863573
So is it functionally different from someone having a library of books? Is it better or worse? Why or why not?

>>9863416
bro, just check out FB marketplace

>>9863482
PS1 games are becoming unaffordable. Even PS2 and 360 games are soaring.

>>9863573
I play all the games I have but I will admit I have sportball games for a couple of platforms that I don't play much and have for completeness. I love my collection and it is huge fun and it is not the only collection I have, I also have gemstones, antique weapons, art, a large library etc. In general I full recommend it both for pleasure and your financial health. Anyone alive and reading this post will live to see even PS2 and 360 games reach three figures. I have games I got for less than 5 dollars that sell for three figures and I have guns I got for less than 100 that are not five of six time what I paid for them. retro video games have gone up more than gold, silver, antique furniture. I get a lot of pleasure playing my collection, conserving antiques and studying gems and reading my books. I see a lot of bullshit on this board against collecting which is just fucking retarded,. You won;t see weapons collectors getting shit on /k/ or book collectors getting shit on /lit/. Its fucked up. If you know retro games and consoles you have a lot of knowledge and you can either use than knowledge to buy when stuff is cheap and enjoy and then sit back and enjoy or sit and seethe when you could have turned a few hundred bucks into many thousands. I used collect arcade machines when all the arcade were dying but they take a lot of space and you have to keep them dry and clean. I sold them because really they became very valuable five/six years ago. I was able to but a new house. I don't trade or deal, I just enjoy wandering round thrift stores and estate auctions. I don't get the incredible leaky butthurt about collecting on here. Its fucking nuts and at odds with all other boards.

>>9863416
>when will the madness cease?
>Would someone really pay $250 for a Saturn?
Its not the consoles that get expensive. It is the games

>>9864093
doesnt really matter. you can use an ODE on ps1 and free hd boot on ps2 and you dont have to pay for the games.

imo collecting disc based media is retarded, it will all be lost to disc rot within the next 20 years.

>>9863535
>game collectors are mentally ill
Nah, you are just dumb as rocks and a bit of a turd.

>>9864129
As had been pointed out by other anons before, you can't emulate for a lot of peripherals.>>9864129
>imo collecting disc based media is retarded, it will all be lost to disc rot within the next 20 years.
If you had a point there you would not need to lie or exaggerate to make it.
https://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/sec4/
"Among the manufacturers that have done testing, there is consensus that, under recommended storage conditions, CD-R, DVD-R, and DVD+R discs should have a life expectancy of 100 to 200 years or more; CD-RW, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM discs should have a life expectancy of 25 years or more. Little information is available for CD-ROM and DVD-ROM discs (including audio and video), resulting in an increased level of uncertainty for their life expectancy. Expectations vary from 20 to 100 years for these discs.

Few, if any, life expectancy reports for these discs have been published by independent laboratories. An accelerated aging study at NIST estimated the life expectancy of one type of DVD-R for authoring disc to be 30 years if stored at 25°C (77°F) and 50% relative humidity. This testing for R discs is in the preliminary stages, and much more needs to be done."

Now this matters not because of retro gaming or even DVD movies but because a LOT of data bas been stored in long term storage in optical format. The fact is that you are *hoping* that. You may as well start saying that books fall apart or silver tarnishes. I have seen a lot of your posting here spamming this crap about collecting and its painful to read, you lie a lot and shit on about emulation a lot and you just come across as a painfully bitter lunatic.

>>9863416
> n64
> $280
aaaaaaahahahahahahah

>>9863452
i bought one without anything except a controller for $20 back in 2010. people are getting fucking raped these days, and this hardware isn't rare! millions of these things were produced.
>>9864129
>it will all be lost to disc rot within the next 20 years.
disc technology improved while your iq points shrank well below room temperature. hope that brain damage heals up soon for you.

>>9864191
Hey anon, Imagine being this anon
>>9864129
or this one
>>9863860
And loving games and retro games and knowing lots about them and having been able to buy a couple of hundred and a console for less than a couple hundred bucks but being too much of a tard to buy them when they were being given away for cents and dollars and then having to seethe and cope and spew because anyone who actually owned a few hundred good original games for retro is now sitting on something cool and valuable. Imagine the pain. Now imagine having to sit and seethe post forever while retro gaming and collecting goes mainstream locked out forever, It just sucks to be that anon.

I'm way more disgusted at the price of that Xbox.

>>9863741
I've got bad news for you about vintage cd drives

The lesson is buy physical media and hardware while you can because physical media and the consoles that take it are turning into a collecting market that is vast deep and has well lined pockets. You can dislike it all you want, you can go and scream at the tide to stop it coming in as well and that won't change a thing. Being dumb about reality is not based. Last exit from the gift shop.

>>9864129
Disc rot is a meme. If you're going to cope at least point at laser diode failures.

>>9864218
wut
Can anybody translate this?

>>9864153
you're acknowledging that disc rot is real and the sources you're citing are claiming that these discs range from 25-200 years on a complete guess. some old PS1 games and the like are now closing in on 30 years old dude, that's a significant portion that may not work and the optimism is based on conjecture. will some games work in 100 years? yeah probably, but this is assuming ideal conditions which most games won't have and even then a large portion are under threat. you're effectively arguing that there's no reason to fear disc rot in our life time, and your own argument proves that untrue.

>>9864239
I have hundreds of CD based games in the 20 to 30 year age range and they all work. That would imply they should last closer to 100 years, not that they'll all simultaneously go bad next week.

>>9864230
But you don't. You're living in a lad of cope. You may as well be talking about capacitors or solder rotting but you are very specifically now trying to have a go at optical media. This board should be hopping, retro gaming and collecting is massive right now but instead we have to have this retarded shit from anons like you and a post count on this board that is on life support. No one gives that much of a fuck about 15 emulated zelda threads anon. Can you imagine telling /lit/ that physical books are dumb or /k/ that gun collections are retarded because you only have two hands? Its part of the retro games subject collecting and a pretty kewl one..and not just the systems tards like you care ab out

>>9864239
You don't even know what disc rot is tard. It's a specific mode of prompt failure from bad batches of discs

>>9864239
Disc rot typically affects poorly manufactured discs. Games which had been poorly manufactured have already rotted by now. I wouldn't worry about the others.

>>9864237
>>9864239
Ah fuck it enjoy your dead pointless board anon, no one give that much of a fuck abouty it. There is solder rot and capacitor rot, you're the same retarded little liar that spams and twists and bullshits and a big part of why this bard is fucking dead along with the zelda gang. Retro game collecting is booming and unless you live to over 100 disk rot is not happening. You are just a bitter shitty little liar. This board in general sucks. Muh emulated zelda 24/7. No one gives a fuck. Is this even anyones homeboard?

>>9864248
you have hundreds of games on the early cusp of decay, that means nothing. and it doesn't imply anything except that they are at the beginning of the range where your own sources say they'll start to rot. i have opened sealed 360 games from the late 2000s that are inoperable and riddled with coffee-stain looking shit and pinholes. it all depends on the materials used, manufacturing process and time elapsed. you'll probably be able to play the majority of your games for years to come, but that doesn't mean they're immortal. also i would argue that opened games (when taken proper care of) will last longer than sealed games because sometimes the sealed games get shit trapped inside the packaging that accelerates the rot.

>>9864259
You don't know who you just replied to, boy. I'm about to end your miserable little existence.

>>9864265
yeah whatever. Blow yourself out your ass.

>>9864251
>>9864257
>>9864259
>three butthurts appear out of nowhere after a disc rot denier posts a source that claims disc rot is real
>doubles down with "you aren't a true gamer if you don't own plastic" faggotry
and you wonder why hardware prices are skyrocketing. blame metal jesus and keep denying reality.

>>9864270
I didn't claim disc rot isn't real. In fact, I've had discs rot on me. Three to be exact.

>>9864273
glad you understand that nothing is forever.

>>9863416
I could understand this for the superior white Saturn, v Saturn or later smoke grey model saturn....but the shitty black saturn with junk controller?

>>9864276
Glad you understand that you misinterpreted my post.

>>9864283
yeah bro you totally posted a source claiming games could last for 200 years and then subsequently opined about the "hundreds" of playabls games you own just to prove that disc rot is real. you're a hero bro.

>>9864249
I'm not against collecting physical games and hardware, I actually love it. I just think that anyone that gets into it in the 2020s should be aware that there's a maintenance element to it nowadays. I fully expect the average CD to outlive the average /vr/ user though.

>>9863416
When collectors stop telling normies they're valuable. Unfortunately you share a hobby with autistic geeks who can't simply keep a rare find to themselves. They have to share it with anyone who will listen.

Before AVGN made retro gaming popular in the UK people were giving away Saturns for £20, usually boxed with a controller. I eventually sold mine for £50 and felt like I'd robbed someone then. The most hilarious thing was seeing Gamecubes go for £70, especially considering when they were new stores couldn't get rid of them fast enough. I think the same was true for Earthbound/Mother 2 in America.

>>9864291
You realize you're replying to three or four people thinking they're the same person right?

>>9864306
Are you talking to yourself? because you are not talking to a single anon either. The people on here talking about ;'disk rot' are fucking idiots, too dumb to even know that 50% humidity at 25 degrees is extreme. Neither consoles or cartridges or any electronics would last in that humidity for 30 years either. Fucking retards.

>>9863416
Australia?
if not, maybe the Mister isn't such a bad deal for you guys

>>9864306
you realize your argument is retarded and you incubate penises in your ass, right?

>>9864324
I meant just the specific anon I quoted. I'm in the "disc rot is a meme" camp too. I can't even tell what he's trying to argue.

>>9864345
>bro i can't tell what he's trying to argue, i believe in disc rot bro, all i did was post an essay about how you don't need to worry about disc rot bro
lol
it's time to kill yourself

>>9864339
I couldn't hear you over all the cocks in your mouth. What are you arguing exactly?

>>9864351
>no u
thanks for playing.

Are you just a zoomer coping that you didn't jump on the bandwagon in time and can't afford discs so they're definitely rotting any day now? Because that's pretty retarded. I was hoping to give you the benefit of the doubt.

>>9864346
You are replying to the wrong anon. Again. Also you are in fact a giant douche and retro game collecting is based. You are not based. You are a giant douche. Disk rot as actually mattering to anyone now alive? Not a hope.

>>9863535
Crack smokers give themselves an even worse mental disorder

>>9863551
They say it about everything now as a catchall phrase, since a random billionaire forced everyone to - by funding this a few years back

>>9863773
Isn't that what you idiots always try to do here?

>>9864371
Nooooooooooooooooe Noeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee u can't like collecting games nooooooooooooeeeeeeeee muh disk rot (See you in a century unless you eat off it in a desert)! Muh seething and coping! You cannot like that because skiztotard said you cannot like collecting!

I like physical media but it doesn't matter whether its going to last 100 years or 10 minutes, you'd still have to be an idiot to spend the going rate for lots of games these days.

>>9863416
We've got roms and reproduction material.

The only person who wants a physical thing now are collectors who don't want to play on them. These people actually want the value to go up because it means their antique is worth more. People like OP are idiots. It's like asking why the first issue of spiderman costs so much "Gosh it's like a gazzilion dollars? That much. For a comic book? It was just a dollar when it came out. Golly gee I just oh my autism. I just want something physical. Oh golly. Oh my autism. I just want a physical copy of spiderman #1. A reproduction? No that wont please my autism. I want the authentic experience. Oh when will the manddness end and Spider mna #1 will go back to being 5 bucks.

>>9864483
You are missing the point. There is no more physical media. This is happening. I would trust physical media to last decades and decades longer (including optical) then any online subscription service. Disk rot for something like e,g PS1 CDs is a meme and more so for console game DVDs where were for the most part done with good QA. Its a big issue for burnable media which was used by archivists in the 90s. The vast majority of optical will last hundreds of years. Right now there are a ton of people crying over shit like DC and PS1 etc, fine, PS2 will be next but shit like 360 and PS3 is still cheap. It won't be. There is no putting the retro game collecting genie back in the bottle. >>9864483
>you'd still have to be an idiot to spend the going rate for lots of games these days.
Did you ever consider that some people here have libraries with hundreds of games because they bought them when no one wanted them because 'old'? So if you are a zoomer reading this then think about systems that are giveaway at the moment, shit like the DS or 360 or PS3. Lot of debate on 'why does this shit have value' what happens is this, as long as there is supply meeting demand prices stay flat. When there is more demand than supply prices go up. Gaming ha become a HUGE globe spanning multi trillion industry

"Last year some 3.2bn people played video games, about four in ten people worldwide. The number has risen by about 100m a year, with a big jump during covid lockdowns in 2020. In rich countries two-thirds of people play, nearly half of them women.20 Mar 2023"
https://www.economist.com/special-report/2023/03/20/ready-player-four-billion-the-rise-of-video-games

Ok now look at how many of these unmistakable essential consoles and game franchises were sold. There were 155 Ps2s sold, 102 million of the original PS1360 sold 90 million. Now many of these survive? Your guess is as good as mine. Still a tiny tiny % compared to the number of people who are now into games.

>>9864497
Lmaoo

>>9864497
Look you are disconnected from reality. You are wishing collecting originals was not a thing but it demonstrably is. Not just in games but in many many areas of collectables which includes art, antiques, coins, furniture, books etc etc. You may be amazed that for example a first edition of the hobbit is worth more than a modern reprint but that and I am being nice here, is just because you are tarded, Put it this way. Even if you were 100% right as long as all these people you consider wrong exist then reality is what it is. You Don;t like it? Does not matter a fuck. Price will go up. Availability will go down.

Game collecting is fun. Anons are not allowed have fun because something and something. Sigh.

>>9864540
I-I just. I just want to read spiderman #1. That's all. I-I just want my childhood back. These reproduction issues of #1 t-they OH MY AUTISM IS ACTING UP. They aren't printed on the same type of paper. It's not the authentic experience! I can't read the reprints. My autism starts and I drop the reprint and start screaming for hours. It only ends when the neighbors call the police for noise complaints and they come in an taser me. I-I just. I still have the piss stains from the tasering. And it's not just the p-paper that's wrong it's the ink too. Original #1 Spiderman used a certain style of inking. And I just think it looks better than the preproduction inking. I just w-want my childhood back. The preproduction Spiderman #1 doesn't have the same weight and is a micron longer. It j-just doesn't feel right in my hand. I-I just want to read it ya know. I want my childhood back. But those no good greedy collectors are inflating the retro comics market. It's all a bubble and it's going to crash. And OH my autism is acting up again. I'm sorry my dog pooped and if I don't organize his turds in a line from tallest to shortest I'll have another episode and the police will be back to tase me.

>>9863416
I am so glad I bought my consoles cheap when I did.

>>9864527
I DO have a large collection from the cheap era and I AM buying the post /vr/ cheap era games but with all the good methods of piracy available (original hardware snob? Flashcarts, ODEs and bootlegs! Just want things quick, cheap and easy? Emulators run on everything with a cpu! Like shilling on /vr/? MiSTer adds new cores all the time!) you'd have to be a lunatic to buy more than a couple favorites if you aren't rich

What really tickles my 'tism is seeing a big stack of some game that's clearly not selling at whatever price a store owner wants for it but they're willing to sit on excess inventory for years rather than lower their price. It's like they've never heard of time value of money

>>9863426
See this is the problem. You choose to dickwave about buying a literal piece of shit. People that are short or have short body parts shouldn't be allowed in stores.

>>9864086
Book hoarders are still hoarders and eventually they usually start accumulating actual garbage like old magazines because they are book related.

>>9864624
Nobody with a cochlea, got it.

>>9863426
It's a weeks worth of groceries for those of us that don't live in our mom's basements.

>>9863535
/thread

>>9864086
People who have libraries like this tend to have read most if not all of those books. Also books are pretty cheap and they wouldn't pay a 1000 euros for a well known work of literature. Most of these books are probably high art and not an entertainment product, which also makes a crucial difference.

>>9865502
>Most of these books are probably high art and not an entertainment product, which also makes a crucial difference.

Does it now? How so?

>>9863416
>shrinkwrapping the analog sticks like that
What the actual fuck

>>9863535
>game collectors are mentally ill
The collecting and speculative market needs to go bust.

>>9863428
This. They sell at those prices because some people don't mind paying those prices when those people disappear the prices will go down or the businesses will go out of business. Basic supply and demand.

>>9865736
Why?

>>9863551
Hoarding is a mental illness. Collectors basically hoard games, they only buy them to own them, there is no emotional attachment or practical use for the products they buy. Owning something just to own it is unhealthy behaviour.

>>9865905
That's not what hording is no one but you ever called collecting hoarding. You actually have a mental illness and it it caused butthurt and it was caused by a genetic disease called retardation along with an acute case of seething and coping.

>>9865502
>Also books are pretty cheap and they wouldn't pay a 1000 euros for a well known work of literature.
Go look up what a first edition Orwell or Tolkien cost. Then go look at antiquarian books. Are you from the third world? You seem to have no comprehension of demand, supply, markets, value etc
>>9865736
>>9865757
That's not how supply and demand works dumbass. You can sit there coping for all eternity or watch your last chance go with the XBOX360/PS3/DS/Wii

>>9865941
I love my collection. Its great fun. Sucks to be (you)

>>9865965
good lord look at the filename on that one

>i know, my post will have a funny image! that'll show them >:)

>>9863551
Plot twist you don't even own the game, you only buy the right to use it.

>>9865905
So if someone buys or gets 10 games a year and sells off the ones he doesn't love but still keeps about 5 games a year, from the age or 10 to 40, that's about 150 games which is a sizable collection, especially if the person also keeps the systems to play them on.

How would you categorize someone like that? Are they meneally ill? What if they selectively go back and buy games they wanted to play but missed and that makes the collection bigger? Is that mental illness?

Would their collection be any better or worse than a similar collection of books, music albums, model trains or rare plants?

>>9866123
Art galleries are wrong. Museums are wrong. Private collections of art, watches, games, chess sets, coins, books, pens, toys, autographs, pokemon ALL AND MORE MUST STOP to suit butthurt nogames anon on /vr/

>>9863416
Huh, local thrift stores sell games for $2-10 and consoles for $10-50 unless they're new, then they're like $20-40 games and $200 consoles.

>>9863416
NO REFUNDS
I KNOW WHAT I HAVE
THIS SHIT IS RARE
I CAN CHARGE WHATEVER I WANT
I CHECK PRICES ON EBAY 24/7
GET OUT OF MY STORE POORFAG

>>9866223
Ten bucks for a loose MGS disk in a ziplock bag feels like a ripoff even these days.

I searched ebay and found a Japanese white saturn for 85bux.

>>9866123
I don't have a problem with collectors. But I enjoy PLAYING games. I can do so very easily using my mobile phone and a cheap Bluetooth controller. So cheaply, and so easily, that I start to suspect that people who go to great lengths (and costs) to obtain original hardware and games, are not really interested in the experience of the games themselves, but have fetishized the physical objects.

why won't the big brands start producing these consoles again? there is obivously a market ready to coomsume it, technically there is no big challenge since they have all the development pretty much done needing only some adjustments to modern tvs, and they already have the logistics to distribute it worldwide

>>9866576
I'm not one of them, I never liked CRTs and have emulated fir years, but there are definitely people who are into the authentic experience which is plenty understandable I think.

>>9867049
Making the actual consoles themselves would cost too much for the niche market they'd be going for. Even if as many people suddenly wanted to buy a Saturn as do a PS5, they probably wouldn't be any cheaper than the one in OP's pic.

Where are you located OP? 250 for a Gamecube might explain why ive been selling Gamecubes with Picoboot for 100 quickly, ive sold 6 so far locally,

>>9865652
Hoarding and reading books makes you an intellectual. Hoarding and (not) playing video games makes you a manchild.

>>9865957
>Are you from the third world?
Great argument faggot. Most people with a personal library don't bother with antique books and first editions

>Tolkien
ROFL

>>9867049
The biggest reason retro games and consoles are valuable is scarsity. A lot of people only buy this shit because of the speculative market. If Nintendo or any other console manufacturer started issuing new hardware and games, those new batches would be far less valuable on the market, because late reissues are of no material value to collectors. Those would only be appealing to the Venn diagram demographic of people who are too both poor and/or stingy to pay coomllector price and also too stupid or lazy to set up flashcarts or emulation.

Also even if they still have the schematics and documentation of old. hardware, the assembly lines devoted to churning out those consoles no longer exist or have been fully repurposed, and they might issues sourcing certain components that are not widely available anymore.

Too much work for too little payoff, when a shitty chinese SoC repackaged as a "mini" console would be more than enough to get the average consoomer to basedface.

>>9866123
>How would you categorize someone like that?
That's not a collector that's someone who buys games to play them and keeps the ones he likes. A collector collects as in he purposely needs whole collections of things. He will buy something just because it's determined that it is something that is supposed to be part of a collection.

>>9867209
I googled it and it says Media Mania is in Stockbridge, GA. I wonder what kind of rent they're paying every month.
My area has way better prices. I'm not sure what the prices are right now but until recently every used console was $60-$100 unless it was something rare. Genesis was the cheapest, I bought one (a model 1 non-tmss HD Graphics) for $50 with two controllers and cables/cords.

>>9864239
I have probably more than 500 music CDs. Most of my very early pressing from the 80's and the early 90's are showing signs of discrot (holding them up to the light, you'll see what looks like a pin prick or two). They almost all play fine, but they're very much going to die at some point. Most of my CDs from the mid 90's on seem to be okay, but those are also about a decade younger. Time will tell. Now that CDs aren't really being played in hot/cold cars, hopefully discrot will become less of an issue. High humidity and extreme temperatures accelerate the process.
>>9864248
Just because they play fine doesn't mean they aren't starting to rot. About 1/3rd of my original Xbox games are starting to rot despite never having been exposed to extreme temperatures or high humidity. Roughly the same amount of my Gamecube games are doing the same. All my PS2/PS3/360 games seem fine so far, so fingers crossed. All my shit has always been stored inside my house outside of direct sunlight.
>>9864257
Newer discs haven't been around as long as a lot of early CD pressings. So we really don't know if CDs/DVDs from the late 90's/00's will live longer than discs pressed in the 80's/early 90's.

>>9867307
You're mentally ill bro

>*pomf* what saturn games are we going to play today, senpai?

>>9867249
I still fail to see how this is a problem. If someone really like say Final Fantasy, it doesn't seem unusual at all that they may want all of them. It's weird how you frame this as a fetishistic strange behavior when it's one of the more common hobbies out there.

>>9867227
How do you feel if the books are all Harry Potter and Danielle Steel but the games are complex strategy and flight simulators?

>>9863416
are they really that much i have multiples of all of these and other old consoles?

>>9864636
???? Nigga I workout and have a wife and make all my own meals. $250 is more than a week even if I am overpaying for cuts of meat and premium ingredients all around. I could make $250 last a month and still get my protein macros in. You are a fat fuck that is underage with no understanding of money. Also $250 is nothing. 4 hours of work for those that do not live in moms basement, sweaty.

>>9864093
>PS1 games are becoming unaffordable
No they aren't. You can still get plenty of them for 5~15 bucks. Or are you just gunning for JRPGs and survival horror games?

>>9863416
I would be pretty shocked if someone would actually walk into a brick and mortar store and pay that much for a Sega Saturn, but clearly the owner knows better than I do. I shipped one over here from Japan with several controllers and games for $100 last year and even kinda felt like I overpayed then.
$280 for a Nintendo 64 with a matching controller is also fucking bonkers. All of the prices in this picture are insane except for the pins. I was hoping these were at least CAD and not USD, but there's an NRA sticker on the counter.

>>9867349
Similar situation here, I do most of the cooking and me and my wife spend around $90 a week in Canada and eat very well.

>>9867349
>>9867368

Same here. I have no clue why people are so fucking bad at spending money. My groceries for the week living alone is about $140 and that is me being very generous to the guy and being a bit excessive.

>>9866109
that's wrong though

>>9867338
>I still fail to see how this is a problem
People who have a problem usually do.
>It's weird how you frame this as a fetishistic strange behavior
I said collecting for the sake of collecting is essentially hoarding which is an unhealthy behaviour. It's something different to fetichism. As for it being "unusual", "strange" or "common" is completely irrelevant.

>>9867307
I haven't had any issues with disc rot, only scratched discs from people not putting them back in the case. Although I do have a copy of Chrono Cross that won't work at all for some reason.

>>9867437
Well I don't collect anything, books on plants and nature would be the closest but that's more just because there's so much information. I just think you're kind of looney and there's some irony in you calling all collectors fetishistic and mentally ill.

>>9864259
Atari systems seem to have real bubbly motherboards that are barely holding on but its gotten to the point that repro boards will start being made for most retro systems. You can already get them for game gear and c64.

>>9864263
Repros of games can be made but to be as good as original it will cost a lot so its just easier to keep the originals in good condition.

>>9864497
Not like collectors who never play harm anyone since you can just use flashcarts. Actually some of the stuff I like the most is pretty worthless like some big box pc games I have.

>>9863598
So something is only worth having if it is valuable. Was it pointless for me to have a big tub of boxed nes games when they were worth almost nothing. If people didn't save this stuff back in the day you wouldn't have your precious roms or floppy images, it was not worth any money but it was worth saving. What do you want people to live like in prison only owning a metal bowl, sure if you travel a lot minimalism is fine but not everyone is like that.

>>9866576
I think it depends. There's nothing wrong with wanting something better than an android emulator.

But I think it comes down to what the intent is. Are they more interested in building a collection or setting things up than actuallg playing the games? Thats the line for me, that's the point where a person should take a look at themselves and ask what they really value in life.

Nobody is on their death bed saying "I really wish I bought a Sega Saturn sealed in box never opened".

>>9867550
>Thats the line for me, that's the point where a person should take a look at themselves and ask what they really value in life.

I think the better question is why are you so invested in why you are so concerned with what someone you will likely never know is interested in?

>>9867349
>raging cope

lol

I cant wait for this shit to peak so I can unload all the carts and ps1/ps2/gc games I never use anymore because I just use flashcarts and HD loaders now, I"ll keep my childhood games, but i'm gonna unload so hard on these retards wanting shelf queens and probably buy a ranch or something

>>9863416
>when will the madness cease?
>Would someone really pay $250 for a Saturn?
>>9863426
>Is that supposed to be a lot of money?
Are you guys australian or some shit? In canada we haven't come close to these prices even at retro stores yet. $100 - $150 is average console price here for most stuff. Genesis and PS1 are like 75.

>>9864239
Collectors are collectors. I don't think disc rot matters to them. If there are good dumps of mass produced media then everything is fine. Who cares? There are people who say "the media will degrade with time." and there are those who will say "no mass produced media will never degrade."

Also emulation is so good who cares about real hardware? I was a collector, 80s-90s sold it all way before it peaked. I started collecting gen 5, 6, 7 because people were literally throwing away stuff because they couldn't find their psu or their wiiu controller had a scratched screen. I just like fixing things but I have heaps of consoles I fixed or removed the leaky capacitors and batteries. But I won't buy media it is pointless, the roms are free.

>>9867616
In the US there are two things that brick and mortar stores do for old games.

1. Sell at the highest price they saw when they bought it if not more to "compete" with online prices. Which is just because they don't want someone to buy it for less then sell it online. They feel the missed out on profit.

2. They don't price at all and will look it up online if someone shows interest in buying it.

>>9863452
I got a boxed nes for around the same price back in 07/08.

>>9866310
Why do retro gamers all look like this? It's the same with furries and mtg players. I hate meeting these guys and hearing them use internet lingo irl. Based, kys and all your other 4chan lingo are cringe. I swear to god it's as bad as women who try to fight you for smoking a cigarette at a cafe or referring to someone as a midget.

>>9867628
>Collectors are collectors. I don't think disc rot matters to them.

Way to show you know even less about collectors than it seemed at first. You deserve some slow claps.

How much does it cost to buy a computer that can properly emulate a Saturn?
I tried to emulate it some years ago, and my computer at the time wasn't up to it. Maybe I should try again.
I've never actually seen a Saturn. Back when it was new, I wasn't aware of it. I thought the Sega console progression was just Genesis -> Sega CD -> Dreamcast until about 2005.

>>9867660
I have not tried, but my understanding is that saturn emuation has come a long way in the last handful of years. For a long time it didn't matter how powerful your computer was, Saturn hardware is just so weird that it was nigh impossible to emulate. But recently it seems strides have been made so it's likely even the computer you used before would handle it much better.

It's a weird system, not a lot of games but some of them are incredibly cool and you'll never play them anywhere else.

>>9867580
I'm not even remotely invested. I just have an opinion.

Here's my question to you, why do you think I care if some randomer wastes their life? I can judge you and not care at the same time.

I look at coomllectors and think "thats a misguided way to live". That's as far as it goes. Being able to identify other people's mistakes in life allows me to not make the same mistakes. You can do what you want, it's not me who's going to regret it one day.

>>9866537
It was $0.99 for MGS4 and Virtua Fighter 5 loose together, you're looking at the wrong side.

>>9867660
Ihave a ryzen 2700x and a gtx 1080 and can emulate prett much anything saturn with mednafen at full speed.

>>9867714
>I can judge you and not care at the same time.

That is where you are actually mistaken.

>>9867585
More like he btfo you poorfag

>>9867792
You don't have to care about something to form an opinion on it.

Caring about something isn't the same as thinking about it.

>>9864497
>Oh when will the manddness end and Spider mna #1 will go back to being 5 bucks.
This is the most retarded part. “I want things to be cheap, I’m the only one who values the stuff don’t buy it”, yeah you and the other 1000 retards.

>>9863416
Is this actually USD?
>the stick on that heatshtrinked GC controller
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>9863416
>Gamecube is 250$
>Genesis is 135$
>OG xbox is 150$
>Saturn is 250$
>N64 is 280$

Holy fuck. Why is everything so overpriced?

>>9868301
Because it's a fucking retro game store.....get an original xbox on fb marketplace for 50 dollars

>>9868338
This, lots of people don't know anything about this ridiculous pricing bubble. They just see it as shit in their house they want to get rid of.

Look for those people.

>>9863416
>279 for N64
>1 controller
Wow. That's a lot of money for a brick with no games. There are literally millions of these out there.

>>9868827
>They just see it as shit in their house they want to get rid of.
Nobody who's selling something looks at it like that. The people you are talking about throw their shit in the trash. T. trashman

The more games I collected the less games I played. It was kinda stressful and it sucked the fun out of it, so I refocused on the experience rather than the games themselves. Made sure I had a good CRT, a controller and a decent setup and picked the right games for myself. I sold everything I didn't need and just pirated the rest and I've been enjoying my hobby again ever since.

>>9864282
Lol it was last year

>>9864636
holy shit change your diet, that is way too much for one week

>>9863416
>>9868301
It's greater fool theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory
>In finance, the greater fool theory suggests that one can sometimes make money through the purchase of overvalued assets—items with a purchase price drastically exceeding the intrinsic value—if those assets can later be resold at an even higher price.
>In this context, one "fool" might pay for an overpriced asset, hoping that he can sell it to an even "greater fool" and make a profit. This only works as long as there are enough new "greater fools" willing to pay higher and higher prices for the asset. Eventually, investors can no longer deny that the price is out of touch with reality, at which point a sell-off can cause the price to drop significantly until it is closer to its fair value, which in some cases could be zero.

>>9864636
>$250 is a weeks worth of groceries
If you've got a wife and three to four kids with big appetites maybe. If you're spending $250 a week on groceries for yourself and even just a partner there's no fucking way you're spending $250 unless your cart is filled with garbage you shouldn't be eating on the regular anyway.

>>9863535
>[Deleted]
Why are the jannies on this board so sensitive? I got banned the other day for 'off-topic' with a post that was admittedly an exaggeration and a shitpost but still somewhat accurate about console video output.

>>9867585
I rounded up on my grocery budget, so that Saturn would cost closer to two weeks of groceries for my family and not just one. It means it's even more fucking expensive than I said! It only makes my point stronger!

>>9863416
I usually find sega Genesis for like 30 bucks. Some reason no one wants them.

>>9872275
Imagine not eating lobster and truffles everyday :(

>>9867809
Larping as rich on 4chan is truly pathetic.

>>9868301
Yeah, ops pic isn’t normal. This wasn’t the cheapest, just ta quick skim of the first results.

>>9872548
to be fair, the transparent colored "funtastic" consoles go for a bit more, but not 280.

>>9872557
The one that always get me is the sega Genesis. For some reason, no one wants one.

>>9872584
The games for it fucking suck. I bought one and I regret it.
The Sonic games are good. Midnight Resistance, Subterrania, and Ecco are pretty good. Outrun has cool music but I'm assuming the arcade version is a thousand times better. Didn't find anything else I liked.
There's a TON of really shitty platformers that aren't worth playing. The zelda-alikes are absolute garbage. Now I know that if someone is a Sega fan then they like shitty games and their opinion should be discarded.

>>9866552
the japanese stuff is way cheaper to get and honestly unless your a high roller you're not getting any of the good saturn games unless you mod the crap out of it

>>9863416
Lol that n64 is extremely overpriced it did have those 5 (extremely blurry) games though

>>9867349
Sounds like your wife is the one that pays the bills, and you're the stay at home husband since you have to cook your meals yourself.
$250 for 4 hours of work is $62.50 an hour and the only jobs that readily pay that amount are jobs that require medical or business degrees OR are emergency related services that require availability 24 hours a day.
The fact that you have such a distorted sense of money shows you aren't the earner.
The lower average is around $20 an hour for someone competent without a degree or career training.

>>9863416
>tfw buy "junk" snes complete with 2 controllers (1 didn't work) and power supply (didn't work) for $20
>tested it with my spare power supply
>Snes turns on
>open up controller that didn't work
>cold and cracked solder joint
>reflow solder joint
>It works now
Reminder: Collectors and Sellers are fucking stupid. Even when they think they are selling you trash. I like to taunt the ebay sellers I buy from by leaving feedback that the description was wrong and leave them 2 stars along with a picture of the item I just bought now in working condition in in less then 24 hours of receiving it.
Especially if they have mutliple consoles of the same type for sale and the functioning ones marked up over $150

>>9863416
I know things look bleak right now but... they're gonna get worse, little buddy.

>>9863416
This looks exactly like that dump that I would go to get my CDs resurfaced back in the day. One time the fat bastard ruined my kottonmouth kingz CD. Made sure to kick over the mountain of saran wrapped 5 dollar 32Xs over on my way out

>>9873396
I'm an electric engineer. Sounds like you should have gone to college lmao

>>9873408
I'm getting ready to buy a junk Saturn just to have (I never really play these anyway since I just emulate on my TV) but I feel like this is the case with most junk/untested consoles. Even if the laser is dead you can just do an ODE mod for the CD consoles.

Literally why do people pay for consoles and physical games when you can emulate for free?

>uh buh buh buht you don't OWN it
yes I do, the files are literally on my hard drive and there is nothing the glowies can do to stop me

>>9864235
Ffs this garbage again? Disc rot is real, but from faulty manufacture. Most of them are long gone but there are some still around. You would know if you looked at a disc if it was affected. It looks like leprosy

>>9864292
20 to 30 years from death by obesity, cancer or heart failure. Yep that is probably me...

>>9864259
Sadly yes. True vr lovers live in the past, like when things were 'better' ^_^

>>9871395
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory
the entire stock market is like that and other people sell your own crap

>>9863416
I'd be willing to actually if I was loaded with money and had space. I much prefer older games at this point. Fuck modern gaming.

>>9874624
>Disc rot is real, but from faulty manufacture. Most of them are long gone

So basically it's a fearmonger meme that none of us should worry about. I have hundreds of metal and rock CDs manufactured in the 80s because I'm autistic about specific masters. I also own a lot of PS1, Saturn and Sega CD games in various conditions. I never once had any issue with any of my CDs. I've had plenty of CD-Rs die, however... those are manufactured completely differently though, so that's not apples to apples.

>>9875590
>the entire stock market is like that
this is financial illiteracy

>>9863416
>Work at a retro game shop
>Balk at the prices from the man uptop.
>Sometimes get a Boxed Gamecube going for 230.
>Then he sells Sonic 1-3 boxed for $20 each.
Its madness, but he gave me Ghost in the Shell for my birthday so I can't be too mad.

>>9867616
>local shop sell a Saturn with 2 games for 400$
The retro market is fucked in Canada

>>9864259
Autism is a real problem that your parents should’ve dealt with early on.
Now look at you acting like a manchild over anons you’ll never meet. Pathetic

I sold almost all my retro stuff in the early 2010s in a garage sale. All my pokemon games, I had a few copies of emerald, ruby, sapphire, etc. All my other GBA games, most of my N64 games and my N64. I probably made a couple hundred total for everything I sold. I think the gamecube games I sold for around 10 each, I thought they were worthless at the time and I didn't play the games anymore. Only ones I didn't sell were stuff like my zelda games which I still replayed on my Wii from time to time but other games like metroid prime / echoes I had on the Wii so saw no point in keeping them. I had the gold cart versions of OoT and MM which were sold for like 5 bucks a pop.
I also sold all my pokemon cards at the same time, can't even remember how much money if any I made. I had something like 4 of those booster boxes which I had bought in the mid 2000s of the original pokemon card game which was what my collection was from. All my magic the a gathering card collection as well, I had about 2 shoeboxes filled with those cards from the late 90s / early 2000s, I just threw them in the trash. I don't know how valuable the collection would have been. I have vague memories of having a black lotus but I don't think I did at the same time it was so long ago.

So much other toys and stuff from my youth I just got rid of over time as well because I grew tired of it taking up space. Transformers, many just went in the trash or to goodwill. all my hot wheels from the 90s and early 2000s I gave away to some guy who helped my dad move some furniture to a new house for his kid, I had at least 200 of those things but I didn't want them anymore so I gave the bin filled with them to him.

God I regret so much of this shit.

>>9877618
You can just be honest and say you sold your shit to buy weed. The elaborate story only makes that more obvious.

>>9863416
>114 for an XBOX
They are so freaking cheap at thrift stores.

>>9878057
I literally saw one for 20 loonies at my local SallyAnn once. Still kicking myself for not grabbing it.

>>9863426
It is kind of high for a 30 year old used system.

>>9877618
>God I regret so much of this shit.
Why?
I didn't get anything for my old games. I just threw them in the garbage. I threw them out because I saw what emulators could do, and I realized I would never bother using the physical games ever again.
Maybe I could have made a few thousand bucks off morons who can't figure out how to download ROMs and use an emulator, so what? A few thousand bucks wouldn't have been worth the hassle of keeping that crap around for almost 30 years.

I remember PS1 games being dirt cheap in the 6th gen. too bad I was a zoomer and mostly focused on the PS2 and the PS1 games I got were the licensed crap. fucking regret

>>9878367
When you grow up you might regret the embarrassing larps you shitposted on 4chan

>>9863416
I'm disgusted more by the controllers being shrinkwrapped to the consoles than the prices.

>>9877553
it honestly is, I saw some kid buy wind waker for $135 the other day and I felt bad because he probably didn't have a way to emulate it.

>>9867260
https://mediamaniaonline.com/

They've been in operation since the first video game crash so they're likely so well established they have a large den of regulars who will buy whatever no matter what price they give.