/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9855341
It objectively the best thing humanity has collectively conceived and crafted though

>>9855341
I honestly never knew this thing existed until 2006'ish when a friend mentioned his Saturn controller and I was born in the 80s.

>>9855341
Sadly I only had one for a brief period in 1998 (borrowed it from my cousin, only had a sampler with bug 2, mr. bones, something else, and a full copy of virtua cop.) I played virtua cop 90% of the time and enjoyed it. I ended up buying the console in 2016 for $50 with 2 controllers and while I still enjoy Virtua Cop a ton, I can't really reminisce on it because I played so little on it until 2016 where I started playing a ton and discovered some new favorites. So my reminiscing is more like miniscing because it's a very recent thing. It's purely active enjoyment of it as it exists to me today, with the only game I have strong nostalgia for being Virtua Cop, and maybe the noises the main menu makes.

>>9855341
The third most useless sega after 32x and mega cd, all of which are big reasons SEGA died

>>9855747
>It objectively the best thing humanity has collectively conceived and crafted though

it's a 2nd rate playstation with worse exclusives and half the games

and NO NAMCO

>>9855341
Aside from magazine ads I only ever saw the thing once in person and never even got to play it until I got mine about 9 years ago, which always gave it a sort of mystique appeal to me. Nobody ever talked about it. There was a point where I thought Sega just straight up stopped making consoles until I saw a Dreamcast kiosk running Sonic Adventure. I like it, but with what I know now, I can only imagine how much it must've sucked to own only a Saturn while the Playstation and even the 64 got so many awesome games. The thing just fell apart and quietly faded away in the US after a couple of years.

>>9855781
>and half the games
You're being awfully generous

>>9855747
this

Besides the Egypt doom game and the worse starfox does it have anything?

>>9855968
Bad arcade ports and bad Playstation ports

>>9855968
Radiant Silvergun and Guardian Heroes are the best Saturn games.

>>9855781
>NO NAMCO
Saturn wins again.

I had a Saturn someone sold me to get a Dreamcast. The collection of games i had at the time didnt really wow me, but im sure i would have enjoyed it a bunch more if i had looked into the import scene. Ive gotten into it much more recently, but it feels kinda shallow in a way since a lot of it is finding cool stuff younger me would have been more into.

>>9855989
Wins the tard olympics.

>>9855968
Sonic 3D Blast
Nights Into Dreams
Sonic R
Virtual-On
Pandemonium
Mega Man X4
Die Hard Arcade
Street Fighter Collection
SEGA Ages
Guardian Heroes
Wing Arms
Magic Knight Rayearth

In my experience it doesn't really excel in any particular area. Maybe Japanese puzzlers or fighting games? I ended up preferring SEGA CD and Turbo CD (and yes PS1) for shmups and platformers. Admittedly have not tried many of the sports games on it yet. It's not a terrible console but its overall quality and "cool factor" are kind of hilariously overstated

>>9856083
I'm still mad the Saturn version of Mega Man 8 was never of any of the collections, it had the better OST (Aqua Man and Tengu Man's themes in specific) and the 2 extra Robot Master fights (Cut Man and Wood Man).

>>9855341
i dont know anything about it except for crusty psx doom port cuz carmack was a sperg about texture warping, and a weird quake port on the powerslave engine and a super narrow hub map, other than that it appears to be totally unnoteworthy

Only bought it for Saturn Bomberman

>>9855341
Got it for Christmas the year it released; believe I got the N64 too (already had a PS1). Virtua Cop, Virtua Fighter, Daytona were a blast. Also ended up with NiGHTs/Christmas NiGHTs.. and Space Jam. All I really played as it and the 64 fell by the wayside to the PS1

Worth having for radiant silvergun alone. That game provides years of value.

>>9855341
Okay.
My cousin had it, he had like 3 or 4 lightgun games and sonic 3d blast.
I thought Sonic was gay. House of the Dead and Area 51 were cool though.

>>9856083
Are you just listing games or games worth owning...?

>>9855752
I remember seeing a single shelf of Saturn games at Blockbuster, which it had to share with 32X and Sega CD games. Compare that to an entire row for N64, and two and a half rows for PS1. I was at least aware of the Saturn, but I've never met anyone who actually owned one.

>>9855752
>I was born in the 80s.
You have to be 40 to post here

>>9856083
Sonic 3D Blast is a fucking Mega Drive game though

>>9856852
>t. can't do math

I wanna play the light gun games but you have to conjure up some serious autism for that if you don't have a crt. Might just end up breaking the rules and emulate through the tv. Maybe configure a Wii remote as mouse and stick it in one of those zapper attachments that everyone threw away. Seems like a herculean effort to do something like this on the actual hardware

>>9856830
>worth owning
Lol, not unless you're Bill Gates

>>9856854
The Saturn and PC port got a major graphical upgrade and a different soundtrack, Saturn version in particular is known to have the best special stages. I grew up with the Genesis version though, it has a fantastic soundtrack too, and thankfully no load times.

Apart from the fact the mascot game of the Saturn is called Nights into Dreams (which seems to perfectly fit the console somehow), the whole Saturn mystique has an oniric quality to it.
What makes me think this is that I remember one day, this was 2002 or 2003, I was just sorting out stuff at my placard and found a bag and looked inside and it was my old Saturn I actually totally forgot I even had it. Finding it again felt a bit surreal, and the best thing is that it worked fine like, whatever many years its been stored (and I went through movings, so there was movement), the Saturn remained pristine.
I remember the day I got my Saturn, I remember the days I spent playing it, but in a way, when you're in a dream, certain things also seem real.
In a way I feel like the Saturn was a dream that manifested itself in reality.

>>9855775
fpbp

>>9856083
>hilariously overstated
It is The Contrarian Console™, after all.

>>9856931
It also has a real level select.

Don't know why that didn't make it into the Saturn version (maybe because of its use as an error trap, which wouldn't necessarily apply to the Saturn?).

>1046 games
>785 are japanese exclusive
>482 are garbage (educational/sports/RPG/tabletop)
>99 are arcade ports
>Remaining games are either wasted potential or anemic 6-level 15 minute tech demos

captain beefheart the console

infinite jest the console

jackson pollock the console

are you noticing the trend, swearing this thing has a hugeeeeee library is actual delusion or trolling

>>9856083
>In my experience it doesn't really excel in any particular area.
2D games in general, it was the best 2D system of the 5th generation. Fighters and shmups are its famous forte. It also had a lot of quality RPGs, so in a way, it has actually more variety than the more successful (worldwide) Mega Drive. Not to mention it also has actual good 3D games like VF2 or Panzer Dragoon II.
Platformers in general weren't a big part of 5th gen anyway. The most famous 5th gen sidescroller isn't even a real platformer, as it's more of a side-scroller ARPG (I'm talking about SOTN), and the possibly actual best sidescroller platformer of the generation might be Goemon's Great Adventure, unexpectedly on a console mainly known for 3D games (well, GGA is a 3D game, but with 2D gameplay). But in general, 5th gen was really dry on sidescroll platforming, compared to 3rd and 4th gen.

>>9855874
Panzer Dragoon is on the right (?)

>>9857002
>>9857070
>>9857063
>>9857002

>>9857070
I don't get this meme (last book I read was in 11th grade, reading is for virgins)

>>9858728
I prefer PS1 and Saturn too, but whoever made this must have really hated the N64 lol

>>9855341
I had Street Fighter Alpha 2 and Mortal Kombat II.
Alpha 2 is great. MK2 looks good but the music and sfx are weird, and there are load times between and during fights.

>>9855341
>c when reminiscing about this platform.
Hard to do when relatively few people owned them and the same applied to most systems that are not snes/megadrive/ps1/ps2/xbox360

>>9857075
>2D games in general
>no Sonic, Streets of Rage, or Vectorman
>no Gunstar Heroes or Dynamite Headdy
>no Ristar, Alex Kidd, or Monster World
>but look at these generic arcade ports
It has a lot of 2D games -in general-, but again, in my experience most of them are not exactly amazing. Genesis, SNES, TurboGrafx, PS1, and even GBA had an arguably better lineup of 2D games than Saturn. And all of them had shmups and fighting games, too - arguably higher quality and more stylish ones like Lords of Thunder and Einhander. This is why so many Genesis fans were disappointed with the Saturn to begin with
>Platformers in general weren't a big part of 5th gen anyway.
I can't speak for everyone but when I think 5th gen I immediately think of Banjo, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, and Mario. The closest thing Saturn had was NiGHTS, which while charming, kind of pales in comparison to the others. Plus it's only one game, while Banjo gets two and Crash and Spyro got three. To say nothing of the wide array of other platformers during that gen like DK64, Ape Escape, Rapid Reload, Pac-Man World, Jumping Flash, Klonoa, Conker, Mischief Makers, Glover, the two other Gex games, and countless others that the Saturn didn't have. Instead we got winners like Ninpen Manmaru in which its biggest challenge is being able to turn around.

>>9857998
yeah cause it fucking sucks

>>9859616
That wasn't the point being made but thanks for your input

My dad got me a Saturn because it came bundled with 3 games in cardboard pouches. I liked it a lot, but the bad part came when I went to Funcoland and there were stacks and stacks of Playstation used games and a single bin of Saturn ones with nothing but EA sports titles.

>>9859489
Well the question is, does the Saturn excel in any particular area? Yes it does, it excels at 2D, Saturn did have the 2D advantage, even if you consider fighting games and shmups as "generic" ports, they're still part of the Saturn's legacy.
Also when I said "platformers in general" I meant side-scrollers, not 3D ones.

>>9858728
>any fifth generation racing game
>better than Rush 2

Absolutely retarded.

>>9859489
The Saturn had its own selection of original 2D titles but it is a shame those games didn't make much of a reappearance. There's always the hundreds of Genesis collection games.
>It has a lot of 2D games -in general-, but again, in my experience most of them are not exactly amazing.
Thunder Force V doesn't count? I wonder why that is.
>I can't speak for everyone but when I think 5th gen I immediately think of [3D Platformers]
Seems like an emotional bias from where I'm standing, I've never met anyone that liked the PC Engine library but not the Saturn's.

>>9859105
It's a spammer that was banned before. He posts the image with spoiler now because he knows he might get banned again.
People with nintendo hateboners are always the weirdest ones, you don't see people spamming against sony or sega nearly as much (except when auster gets into Saturn hate season)

Saturn seems to be having a bit of a renaissance rn between e-Celeb shilling and shilling here but if it’s what’s lead to the sudden influx of saturn translations im all for it

>>9859891
>shilling here
If anything, australia-kun's incessant spam and a few other low tier trolls make discussing Saturn on neo /vr/ a bit tiresome, or at least, I wouldn't say this board "shills" the Saturn. Saturn fans just enjoy their console, while shitposters that never play video games spam about how bad Saturn is.

>>9859861
What I'm saying is just having 2D games isn't really a strength. The Genesis and SNES have 2D games, but their strengths are both different. For Genesis it's mainly shmups, beat 'em ups, and a few mascot platformers. For SNES it's primarily mascot platformers but also puzzlers and action adventure/RPG's. I'll give Saturn fighting games since it has the actual six button controller and Capcom games are generally better on it for various reasons, but I still think the shmup selection is just okay compared to other consoles. 2D games are something every system should have anyway, and at that point it's only really better than the N64.
>Thunder Force V doesn't count?
Not sure why you mentioned this as it's on PlayStation and in English
>I've never met anyone that liked the PC Engine library but not the Saturn's.
I don't hate the Saturn, I just feel like it gets brownie points for stuff like compilations, literal demos (aka Christmas NiGHTS), and having 2D games.
>The Saturn had its own selection of original 2D titles but it is a shame those games didn't make much of a reappearance. There's always the hundreds of Genesis collection games.
This always makes me laugh because even if SEGA and third parties did rerelease them, people would not buy them. People didn't buy them the first time and a lot of them are already available like Guardian Heroes and Radiant Silvergun on Xbox, NiGHTS on Steam, or Cotton on Switch. Saturn games are notoriously harder to emulate, even moreso than Dreamcast games, so they would have to either make native ports which takes way more time and effort or do what Success did with the Cotton port and hope that it doesn't have the same issues. I think this is what OP meant when he said please be realistic when reminiscing about Saturn.

>>9859902
Shilling is a meme word, I don’t think sega has paid employees here trying to drum up support for the saturn mini, but it definitely gets pumped above the quality of the library imo. For example I feel like the RPGs are mediocre to bad on it *in the aggregate* compared to other consoles (let it be known the nogames64 doesn’t even register on my radar for most of these considerations)

>>9860081
Yeah, the Saturn is easily better than the N64, but a lot of its games are just okay compared to other platforms. I think a lot of people treat it as some obscure gem console despite selling more units than SEGA CD and Dreamcast, which actually do have some obscure gems on them. It's still a cool console but I feel like a lot of the hype comes more from the aesthetic and weird marketing campaigns than the games themselves.

>>9860159
Yes, and I think the Saturn stands alone in the aesthetic department, which is part of the allure for me personally. I also think the range of games on it from a visual and gameplay point of view has to be one of the widest for any console, probably due to the complex architecture. Early to late PS3 comes to mind for this as well, but man I see some saturn games and think this looks like utter dog shit, and other games I'm somewhat blown away considering the time it came out. I do think they were ahead of their time on the hardware, the problem is people just weren't anywhere near as comfortable with parallel processing then as they are now.

>>9860081
you sound like a snoy fanboy 2 be eich

>>9860205
great contribution, looking forward to more sega heat

>>9855341
It was way too expensive at launch, had like 12 games worth playing, and the controller is the most over rated of all time. Still I wish it was Sega that had lived and Sony who had died.

>>9858728
>Ronde
superb bait

>>9859852
Yes. Better than Rush 2.
You dumb nigger.

>>9859919
Is it wrong to say the PlayStation and the Saturn both had good 2D games? Thunder Force V was an example of a game that runs better on Saturn, just as an example to contrast titles that run better on PlayStation. Consoles will have their strengths and weaknesses demonstrated in their respective libraries, this is a good thing if you're not tied to archaic brand identity
>I just feel like it gets brownie points for stuff like compilations, literal demos (aka Christmas NiGHTS), and having 2D games.
This isn't a mark for or against either system but the PlayStation is also known for its demos and compilations, I differ on the PlayStation being known for 2D however. Pic related.
>even if SEGA and third parties did rerelease them, people would not buy them
Why are they making them if nobody is buying them? Some even got greatest hits/players choice/etc reprints so claiming nobody bought them is apparent hyperbole

>>9859891
Emulation is good enough too, much better than 10 years ago. Plus there's ODEs now. People grabbed translation projects they could actually play on their PCs instead of burning a CD every time there's a new patch

Fact of the matter is most on here who shit on the saturn generally do not like arcade games. If you liked arcade games the Saturn very clearly shits all over the N64 at least. and one could argue if you were huge into Sega arcade games at the time, Saturn was the best way to get those AM2 and AM3 games at home. The Saturn, like the Dreamcast is a sad story of a potentially great system doomed by mismanagement and squandered potential.

I didn't have one growing up, I had a PS1. My cousin had one, though. I'd play Daytona USA and Virtua Fighter 2 all the time at his house. Years later I bought it off him and that's still the Saturn I own.

>Virtua Fighter 2
>House of the Dead
>Sega Rally
>Panzer Dragoon 1 & 2
>Street Fighter Alpha 2 & 3
>X-Men vs Street Fighter
>Vampire Savior
>Last Bronx
>Dead or Alive
>Radiant Silvergun
>Virtua Cop 1 & 2
> Die Hard Arcade
>Virtual-On
>Battle Garegga
>Sega Ages
>Galactic Attack
>KoF Series
>Manx TT Superbike

For an arcade enthusiast who'd be willing to do some importing, the Saturn was awesome from 95-98.