/vr/ - Retro Games

Not as much as Sony's overall marketing

I don't know how much it necessarily contributed to its success but it did mean at the time that you could sell your PS1 and still play all of your games, something you couldn't do with previous consoles.

It's odd how PlayStation is so successful but no one really talks about the games like Nintendo and Sega but they out sold both and even Xbox I see looked back on more even when I was in school no one really talked about PlaySation.

>>9849572
That is odd.
Completely different to my experience.

I think it had enough selling points as is.

>>9849572
The only people who think this live in bubbles who discuss the same games from their childhood they have been playing ad nauseam. The playstation had the broadest library of any console. If you only liked one genre like say JRPGs you could only play those and not run out of games but really everyone played a little bit of everything because their was so much variety in the library. It is normal for two people who owned the PS1 to only have owned a handful of the same games while everyone with Nintendo and to a lesser extent Segaa consoles owned the same games.

>>9849576
Maybe the area you grow up in has lot to do with it, most kids I knew had Gamecube and Xbox back when they were new or some old console I remember PS1 or 2 kids were rare but they sold so much shock I didn't know many kids with one.

>>9849558
I think doubling as a DVD player was a bigger factor

I said this somewhere else, and I'll say it again.
Backwards compatibility isn't a feature to get your old systems' users onboard the new one. They can just keep their old console. What does trading in a PS1 even net you, $50?
It's a feature to get other systems' users on your system. For example, PS2 BC to me seems to be more about enticing Saturn or Nintendo 64 users to buy a PS2 and see what they missed out on last gen.

>>9849584
Most kids I knew rented games and tired out everything no matter what console they owned because the store be out of the bigger titles usually.

>>9849590
Forgot to >>9849561

>>9849590
I agree. I bought a Wii at launch mostly to play gamecube games.

>>9849590
>What does trading in a PS1 even net you, $50?
50 bucks is a brand new game back then but more importantly, I needed to scrape every dime I could get.

>>9849558
Huge for me, because most of the launch games for the system did not appeal to me. To this day, I prefer the games of the earlier iteration of PlayStation over the newer, and it has been a consistent decline for me. The PS2 was literally bolstered by the backwards compatibility, which made people stay away from other systems and justified their wait in hype for the PS2's release. Admittedly, backwards compatibility is a huge feature that gets me interested in systems.

>>9849590
>What does trading in a PS1 even net you, $50?

Parents often considered older consoles worthless when they bought a new one, see stories about handing down older consoles to poor cousins.

So if you tell them that this one time, they can get 50 bucks out of it, out of something they consider useless and outdated, hell yeah it's going to help. I doubt it would have been 50 though, maybe 30

>>9849558
PS2 had everything going for it.
It had PS1 compatibility, it had DVD compatibility, it had a dozen must-play games only a year in. The PS2 was destined to succeed, which is why it's the best selling console ever.

>>9849558
The redesigned PSOne outsold every console in the 6th gen except for the PS2, so clearly there was a lot of demand for PS1 gaming well after the PS2 launched
But seeing as how people were indeed buying the PSOne and many already owned a PS1 it's questionable how much the back compat on PS2 mattered during the launch period. It definitely helped out with later sales though and was a significant contributor in the systems longevity.

>>9849590
There are lots of reasons that backwards compatibility makes a console more appealing.
I bought a Wii for Gamecube compatibility because I didn't have a Gamecube during the previous gen. But I also liked that the PS2 had backwards compatibility because it meant I could move my Playstation to my bedroom without losing the ability to play games in the lounge.
Nowadays the backwards compatibility is good because it means one less spot is taken up under my dedicated /vr/ TV. My Playstation is boxed up in a closet because the PS2 fulfils that role.

Who fucking cares?
Why do you keep making these idiotic threads? Of what possible use is this utter nonsense? Jesus christ, stop posting these fucking pointless garbage threads.

I wanted one for Grand theft auto. DIdn't care for ps1 as I had a n64 before then.

>>9849649

GTA alone sold like 1/3 of the PS2 consoles

>>9849640
/thread

>>9849558
It was definitely a factor, I remember owning a couple PS1 games in the 2000s yet never owning a PS1 console.

>>9849587
>>9849628
And this as well. Zoomers can't into DVDs. Even my parents were using the PS2 to play DVDs, it's half the reason they bought it. They didn't game at all on it. It also didn't bother me that I couldn't play vidya on the PS2 when the family decided to watch a movie together because I wasn't a faggot .

>>9849558
so why did PS2s run PS2 CDs at x24 speed while it ran PS1 CDs just fine?

>>9849561
>you could sell your PS1 and still play all of your games, something you couldn't do with previous consoles.

Technically not true.

>>9849640
OP cares immensely. The PS2 being the greatest console of all time and steamrolling everyone that gen makes a lot of fanboys lose their sleep to this day.

>>9849558
almost a 10%, remember that psone (a psx new model released in 2000, sold more than 28 million units due to kids and south america, middle east, north africa and asia markets)

it was probably a minor factor but most of the people i knew moved on from ps1, or kept their ps1 and just used that.

>>9849685
PS3 was also the most affordable Blu-Ray player that had brand value, and I use it to this day for streaming services

>>9849572
I literally don't know anyone who grew up with an N64 and I didn't even know the Saturn was a thing until it was discontinued. PS1 was that dominant for me. Even after that I didn't know anyone with a GameCube, Xbox was for the insufferable faggot kids who wanted one because it was for "adults" and coped hard when shit like GTA took ages to come over.

>>9850072
Blu Ray never caught on like DVD did.

>>9849572
Everyone I knew either had a ps1 or n64. The occasional kid had both. I didn't even know the saturn existed.

>>9849558
Not much at all. It's success was due to it's software (games). Hard to understand today since consoles have such shitty software. The PS5 has, what, two or three exclusives?

>>9849558
None. Everyone bought it because at $299 it was much cheaper than a $150 DVD player. Countless underage who never owned one can confirm that's why they bought one.

>>9849558
>PS2
PS2 was mostly successful because it was a DVD player. The PS1 backwards compatibility was a convenient bonus. However PS2 was also successful because it was a janky faulty console that got Disc Read Errors so people were forced to buy a second console. Also why the 360 was so successful despite being a shoddy piece of poor quality shit.

In the UK (and probably most of Europe) it was because it doubled as a cheap DVD player, plus the FIFA games were starting to get popular. I got one for my 12th birthday under the condition my old man could borrow it whenever he wanted to watch DVDs on it. No one gave a fuck about Gamecube and the only person I knew who had an Xbox played Halo 2 multiplayer exclusively.

>>9850229
But Microshit replaced faulty 360s and ate the cost.

15%-20%

>>9849640

Read this thread carefully. Everyone who replied to it cares. Even you.

>>9850079
I think it's fair to say it did, but it didn't replace DVD. Blu ray became the standard media for video games and took over about half of the psychical media market. I would say that is a resounding success, IMO. DVD and Blu-ray sales aren't going to end until like 10 years or more. I am betting it could easily last 15 years.

>>9850229
PS2 was successful because it had all the good games of that generation.

>>9849590
you know how many sandwiches i could buy with 50 bucks?

>>9850671
if you were a smart man, you would make your own sandwiches

>>9849558
Next to none.
Back then, the leap between gens were way to high to give a shit about the previous gen.
Sony did the backwards compatibility stuff because they care and respect their costumers.

>>9850695
do you know how many sandwiches i could afford to cook with 50 bucks?

>>9849587
>DVD player was a bigger factor
How can you people be so stupid?
This would only be true if the PS2 had sold its 155 million units in just one year.
When the ps2 reached 25 million units sold (around 2003), a standalone dvd player could be found for 50$ (1/4 the price of the ps2). Even in 2002 a dvd player was already cheap enough.
Perhaps 5% of all units sold are due to its good value when compared to a standalone DVD player during the first few months after launch.

>>9850671
No. Literally no one here knows whether you're a faggot incapable of sourcing anything but a $15 sandwich on uber eats or a faggot who buys day old gas station sandwiches.

>>9850704
I'd assume anyone who says they're going to "cook" a sandwich is incapable of making anything edible. Zoomie aspie are gonna sperg out over his, but no one who doesn't have a terminal case of tiktok brain would ever say that.

>>9850756
I'm ESL, you don't have to be rude. Besides, why so against me getting 50 bucks?

>>9850229
Tendies are beyond mentally ill.

>>9850743
not him but you're a retard. what you fail to realize is that the PS2 was an attractive option for many consumers because it was a console and a DVD player in one. kids would go with their parents to the store, and they'd purchase the PS2 because it was a way to make little timmy happy while also giving them the family DVD player that the wife was bickering about. all the clerk had to do was tell them that the Xbox needed an addon/remote that cost extra money, and that the GameCube was a gay purple lunchbox that couldn't even play DVDs, and this was enough to sell your average dad on the PS2. mind you i think the PS2 is a piece of shit, but this is reality. even if its use as a DVD player wasn't a major factor in its success past the first few years, it was enough to infect normies and spread the word that the PS2 was the "right" choice, and the masses followed suit.

>>9849558
Not at all
Ms and Sony has data o. How much people used backward compat and it was like 1 percent

>>9850761
I have nothing against you getting 50 bucks. It would no doubt be life changing for you in your 3rd world shithole. What I'm against is some faggot arguing about how many sandwiches he could cook for 50 bucks on a board for the discussion for old video games.

>>9850879
If that were true, the xbox would have sold as much as the PS2.

>it was enough to infect normies and spread the word that the PS2 was the "right" choice
Thanks for another retarded statement.
PS2 had millions of ps1 users eager to jump to the next gen. See how every game developer knew this and chose ps2 to deliver the best games of that generation. Just google "ps2 games holiday 2001"

>they'd purchase the PS2 because it was a way to make little timmy happy while also giving them the family DVD
Stop projecting stupid stories like that.
Every family watched movies in the living room on a cheap dvd player, while little jimmy played gta 3 all night alone in his bedroom.
If a family could spend 200$+ on a toy for little Jimmy, of course they wouldn't put and share a damn video game to watch movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCj5OiUEJcw

Aside from FIFA, there any PS2 games that got downgraded and ported to PS1?

>>9850671
based sandwich buyer
>>9850756
cringe sandwich dismisser

delusional loser cope:
>ps2 won because it played dvds
>ps2 won because it played ps1 games
the truth:
>ps2 won because it had the least retarded controller layout
>ps2 won because it had the most japanese games

>>9849693
something to do with data density on CDs being lower making them slower to read and the fact that PS2 games had like 16x the memory to work with than a PS1 did.

Like 1x disc speed on a PS1 is acceptable for loading graphix into 2MB of ram, but if a PS2 game had to load 32MB of game at 1x disk speed it would take an eternity.

>>9849558
I was a kid when PS2 released. I had a PS1 with quite a collection of games. When PS2 released I still kept my PS1 as many of my friends did. Only later on did I shift away from my PS1 - we kept it under the telly though.

However some of the folks only had the PS2. We would share our older PS1 games with them and bring over ours for parties.

I don't think backwards compatibility was a huge win for the PS2. It was a nice to have initially, only later during PS2 lifespan did it become quite handy.

>>9849558
They managed to make twice the amount of great titles than any other console at the time

That's how it won. Backwards compatibility was part of it but not all of it. If Sega release more titles for dreamcast, I think it could have sold the same

>>9849590
>I said this somewhere else, and I'll say it again.
just so you can be wrong twice?

>>9851406
No, because I'll be right a thousand times.

The main reason why it was so popular back in the day among basically everyone was that it was the cheapest way to buy a DVD player that also played games on the side. It also being able to play PS1 games natively as well was a bonus.

>>9849558
>PS1 steamrolled the 5th gen and easily became the greatest console of all time by that point
>p-p-p-p-people o-only bought the sequel to t-the p-s-s1 because of dvds, n-no one actually wanted t-t-o play g-games
Sweet delicious copium, it never gets old.

>>9849558
Sony had superior hardware leading the way out of blocky looking games. The controllers were responsive.

Nintendo always tried to make the product at the price point tolerable for parents of children. And although Nintendo took that hit, their strategy paid off on the wii.

But for that time, Sony captured the flag.

>>9850913
u sound mad jelly, also incredibly autistic to not realise 50 bucks is a pretty decent sum of money for a 14yo selling his console in 2001

>>9851726
u sound autistic 14yo who mad mommy no put jelly on sandwich she cook for you

>>9851502
This is nintencope.

>>9851726
>>9851854
Go make an anon sandwich and stfu

>>9849558
not a huge component, biggest component was the fact it plays dvds

>>9849558
Most of the PS2s success was because it was an affordable DVD player that also plays games.

>>9851857
Not really, I was a Sega kid growing up.
It's just the thing I always noticed people were praising it for besides being a great game system back in the day.

>>9850941
>stupid stories
We literally used my Xbox to watch movies, there was no reason to buy a dvd player when it could play them just fine. I'm sure it was only a thing for poorfags with only one tv tho

>>9851854
u sound like mom no present during childhood

>>9851909
Then why are you repeating nintencope 25 years later? Yeah I don't believe you.

Bought exactly one Ps1 gaem which came out in the Ps2 lifespan that was time crisis project titan

With the prices of the competitors being similar, the backwards compatibility and the DVD player thing add value to the console, even if the consumer never ends up using those features.

>>9849558
Quite a bit actually. It launched with the entire 4,000-game PS1 catalog on top of PS2 launch titles. It also had a texture-smoothening feature which did visually improve a lot of PS1 games.

>>9851979
I didn't play many movies, but I did use backwards-compatibility extensively.

>>9851979
it was my main dvd player for years

>>9849572
>Nobody talks about the most discussed games on the internet
If you need some retard in jewtube to tell you what's popular then you should go back to >>>/v/.

>>9852040
No shit. There are a lot of PS1 games (the FF series, MGS, Legend of Dragoon, etc) that never went one day in the 2+ decades since their release without shitloads talking about them somewhere.

>>9849558
Between none and all of it. Probably in the "some" region. Kill yourself.

The PS1 represented the final demographic hand-off from people who grew up with, or were young enough to age into Nintendo (from Atari/arcade/PC) in the 80s and early 90s. Sega very famously captured this demo and by the time the PlayStation launched, the N64 was a ways off still and Sega had already begun melting down into complete market irrelevance.

Obviously the N64 wasn't a flop--but it taught Nintendo some lessons about how to work within their own distinct market niche. Of course, it didn't matter, because nothing was going to stop the PS2. It's nice to see the Gamecube rise to a position of prominence that was never seen in its original lifespan--just goes to show ya that Nintendo was right again--but again they couldn't nab much growth unlike the PS2, which had a hype machine that had been growing since the PS1 hit retail. So Nintendo and Sony got to split the difference on the existing market but Sony captured all the growth and the fervor at that time.

Nintendo, although they are just a video game company (unlike Sony), still had a more diverse business picture than some people seem to realize. While the N64 and the Gamecube were modest successes, they had the GameBoy and then the GBA and then the DS to prop them up, and the handheld space was theirs alone to dominate. Xbox filled a market gap for people who were too poor to buy a PS2 at launch and too stupid to consider the Gamecube, and as far as I'm concerned the Xbox was a failure of a beginning that tied directly into the Dreamcasts failure that ended Sega's hardware division. '

and what do ya get when the public is really excited? you get developers and publishers really excited about making money. So the PS2 had something that Nintendo usually struggles with--an amazing third party library and developer scene, but they also locked plenty of stuff up exclusively. Imagine living through the 2000s and being cucked out of Metal Gear Solid and GTA--that's like a schoolyard death sentence.

>>9849558
not as much, but it was a factor
most people who bought it both wanted to play PS2 games and to have a relatively inexpensive DVD player

The PlayStation 2 could have been an 8-track machine that plays one track per quarter and had a mechanism that destroys the quarter on the inside--and it would've sold 30 million units out the door. Did it play DVDs? yes. Did it play CDs? yes. Did it play PS1 games? yes. And while the original launch lineup for the PS2 was considered stinky at the time (it looks good today), they had an incredible software lineup by the first holiday season post-launch. It simply had everything going for it.

Sometimes a console or a certain video game is so popular that it creates audiences, creates new boundaries, and lives and sells well past the existing market expectation. A video game console can be a success without it ever exploding outside of its own space--but the PS2 did. I would even say the Super Nintendo and the Genesis didn't quite get outside the lines there--they just fought an exciting fit for the expanding (but pre-existing) demographic. The NES, the PS2, the Wii, and the Switch weren't just the winners of their respective gens in terms of sales--they were explosive successes that redefined the makeup of the market itself.

>dad, we gotta get that new PS2 console
>but why son, you have a PS1
>it plays PS1 games
>grab my wallet now, boy. we're off to the mall

>>9849558
mad of it

>>9849558
The PS1 is why it sold so well.

1 out of 3 households at the time already had a PS1 so that wasn't much of a factor. It was mostly a bonus by accident because they had left over PS1 chips which were cheap so they used it in the PS2 to handle the controller input so since it was there anyway they gave it a PS1 mode.

Same for the DVD player, neat extra but overall a non-factor as DVD went from pricey at the announcement of the PS2 to 20-40 dollars for a player by its launch. Another bonus for marketing but it was really all the hype PS1 created by having a skull fuckingly huge amount of good games at decent prices compared to the competition and people were ready for round 2 of that.

>>9853484
Sorry clarifying PS1 was why it sold due to popularity but not because it could play PS1.

I remember seeing a lot of cheap box set reissues of PS1 games during the PS2 era.

>>9849558
Most normies bought it because of Playstation brand alone, not because of backward compatibility with PS1. Also because of the hype and because it was from the cheapest dvd players of its era that could also play new gen games.

>>9854131
good stufff

>>9849637
This was exactly anon's point. Backwards compatibility isn't to get current owners to buy the new version, it's to entice new customers altogether

It wasn't the most important thing by any stretch, but it was a pretty important factor because it meant parents were more likely to buy one for kids who already had a lot of PS1 games.

Modern day business jargon would call it a way to keep existing customers "within their ecosystem" or some such garbage, but it's the same thing. It kept existing customers loyal, offering easy conversion for existing consumers; that in turn meant they could afford to take more risks when marketing to new customers. It was definitely part of the strategy, and by the time of PS3/360/Wii, we saw all main companies attempt to implement backwards compatibility- That tells you they all knew its importance.

Sadly by the time of PS4/Xbone/etc, consumers had been adequately supplicated into the idea of buying things they already owned all over again on a new system, and that trend is one we will likely see continue, perhaps until consoles stop having "generations" and become more of a continuous platform like PC or Android.

None, cheap DVD player it is

>>9855007
My point is that it can work both ways. As a previous gen owner and non-owner, backwards compatibility is always a perk.

>>9849558
Very late to this thread but >>9852363 nailed it. Backwards compatibility was a factor but remember they also released the smaller PSOne model around the same time if people just wanted to play PS1 games.

>>9849572
PlayStation lost
trans won

>DVD
>over 35 results
Beep boop

DVD made it more of a success, i think.
I know a few kids whose parents only bought it so they wouldn't have to also but them a DVD player as well.

>>9849558
System Shock 2 would have been more commercially successful had its canceled port been made for the PS2 instead of the Dreamcast.

>>9857509
The Deus Ex PS2 port is surprisingly playable

>>9857216
and it sold like 28 million between 2000 and 2006, don't forget that.

It was a bonus point, but I don't think it contributed massively. Most people already had a PSX, and DVD playback may have been a bit overhyped as a selling point.

I attribute it to consumer loyalty (Hola, Sonylandia), and the IPs / franchises that became associated with Playstation during the PSX era. Tekken Tag Tournament, a new ridge racer, a sequel to Metal Gear Solid... Except for the people who had disposable money to buy a Dreamcast before they found out how easy it was to pirate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9kZ4JY6GR8

>>9857546
Bit more advanced then the PC version, too. When you drop corpses they have a fall animation instead of floating through the air. Shame the censored a lot of the opening.

>>9849558
>How much of the PS2's success was due to it being backwards compatible with PS1 games?
A lot that and the fact it was also a decent DVD player and was sold retail at DVD and movie rental stores that also rented games for it while some competing systems were only sold at toy stores and marketed at children or protective parents.

>>9849558
>How much of the PS2's success was due to it being...

....a DVD player.

When the PS2 came out a DVD player was nearly the same price as the console.

>>9850743
>How can you people be so stupid?

retard. The first DVD I ever watched was on a friends PS2. DVD players went from $2500 to $200 in a few years. Kind of like when LCD tvs first came out and the price dropped dramatically.

When the PS2 launched it was cheaper to buy a console than a DVD player and a console. Even if the DVD player was "cheap enough" as you suggest, which it wasn't.

>>9850743
PS2 released in 2000 when a DVD player was retailing for $1000, if you could even find one.

you're cherry picking dates like some kind of retard. Your argument doesn't make any sense.

PS2 playing DVDs actually made gaming consoles a lot more mainstream. Tons of normies got one because the PS2 was actually 1/4 the price of a DVD player in 2000/2001. They were nice, too. They were all black and looked nice in an entertainment unit by a TV.

So, basically, you're an idiot.

>>9850941
>If that were true, the xbox would have sold as much as the PS2.

xbox came out in 2001 over a year after the PS2 and it looked like shit. The form factor of the PS2 was appealing to normal people.

Playstation established a brand like iphones for apple fags. No one wanted to play old games, anyway. This was the era when new games were being released regularly and they were actually good. You could rent games and play with friends because multiplayer hadn't infected everything, yet.

>>9859468
>PS2 released in 2000 when a DVD player was retailing for $1000, if you could even find one.

https://archive.is/2A55i
>OCTOBER 24, 1999
>When the first players went on sale in spring 1997, the cheapest cost about $600. Prices fell to about $300 last year and then dropped again over the summer. The cheapest DVD players now cost about $200.


https://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_5_2/panasonica310dvdplayer.html
>Panasonic A-310 DVD Player - June, 1998
> At a street price of under $500, this just may be the DVD player to beat in performance, features, AND cost.

https://www.edn.com/dvd-player-average-selling-price-in-the-united-states/
>pic related

DVD players were cheaper than you say earlier than you say.

>>9859478
>DVD players were cheaper than you say earlier than you say.

going by my personal experience, anon. Prices were all over the place with extremely limited availability. Very few people actually had a dvd player before the PS2. It was definitely the first DVD player for most families.

Nothing you have posted has changed any of my points, though.

The PS2 was the same price or cheaper than a standalone DVD player when it released...and it could do a lot more than just play DVDs.

>>9859484
>>9859473
>No one wanted to play old games, anyway.
Untrue. I had a 50 game PS1 library and the fact I could now play them in my new DVD player and even play the new games for it was a definite plus

>>9859484
Anecdotal experience is bullshit, you can easily find dozens of articles reporting on the actual price of contemporary DVD players. You can find many more just by googling with a date filter.

>The PS2 was the same price or cheaper than a standalone DVD player when it released...
It wasn't cheaper, the examples disprove this. But it was better value.

>>9859492
>Anecdotal experience is bullshit
lol. you're the only one her arguing about it and you're obviously born after the year 2005

>you can easily find dozens of articles reporting on the actual price of contemporary DVD players
Yes, anon, and even with the articles you keep googling the price of a DVD player was more than the PS2 when the PS2 launched in the year 2000.

$300 was a lot of money in 2000. If you had the choice to buy a DVD player for $300 or a PS2 most people will get the PS2.

The fact that you need to google articles from the year 2000 to support your argument completely invalidates your opinion, kiddo.

>>9859492
>It wasn't cheaper, the examples disprove this. But it was better value.

Those "examples" are not sales receipts, retard. This was the era of the TV salesman. Everything had a mark-up. Here, read some real peoples experiences.

>https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/887794/how-much-did-you-pay-for-your-first-dvd-player

700 euro in 1999 lol

>>9859502
same thread 3 posts in. not so bright are you.

>>9859502
>>9859497
>>9859484
>>9859468
>>9859463
Silenzio

>>9859505
>not so bright are you.

anon, please, grow up.

>>9859484
>going by my personal experience, anon. Prices were all over the place with extremely limited availability.

>>9859497
Get better reading glasses boomer.

>>9859506
yes, prices range. People still bought PS2 for the DVD player and no one ever considered backwards compatibility. Thank you for consneeding anon.

>>9859508
>Get better reading glasses boomer.

get a job, a mortgage, and a real girlfriend, and go have sex you little twerp. lol you won't.

>>9859509
>yes, prices range.
Anon specifically said PS2 was cheaper than a DVD player.

>>9859506
B T F O
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>>9859492
Did not matter a shit, it was sold in places like blockbuster alongside its games and peripherals and you could rent DVDs and PS2 games. It was a great way for Sony to move the DVD format into peoples homes. The PS2 was a great console, it play DVDs, looked good, played Ps1 games, was sold everywhere that rented DVDs and sold them (and now also sold and rented PS2 games and stuff like light guns). Sony had also been moving Ps1s by these distribution channels but the PS2 made them. It was actually smaller than most commercial DVD players on sale which tended to be VDR rectangle size but far less thick. The PS1 and PS2 (along with PCs) are what made gaming adult en mass as well. Great consoles.

>>9849626
>me me me
>I I I
Go back nigger.

>>9859532
Yeah nobody's denying that the DVD wasn't a factor. It's just a myth that it was outright cheaper.

Nobody gave a single fuck about backwards compatibility. Everyone played the PSX to death and was done with it. We also had a taste of what was coming from the Dreamcast and we were ready to move on.

>>9859506
Ps2 games
fifa
piracy

Those are the holy trinity

why does this console feel like it has a lack of games now when it felt like the opposite back then? I look at the PS1 or the dreamcast and I'm like holy shit look at all the games here, I look at this thing and it's a lot of "meh." The games definitely feel browner and more by the numbers is part of it.

>>9860395
Is this from Spain, Mexico, Chile, or Brazil.

>>9849558

Zero.

I got my PS2 a week or so after the JP launch, the hype for the console was insane. It basically didn't have games - Ridge Racer and I vaguely recall some retarded fireworks game, a 3D strategy game set in feudal japan and some awful 3D SF port - but we all wanted it anyway.

Games like Gran Turismo 3, Winning Eleven 5 and MGS2 (which was THE killer application for the system) sealed the deal over the course of the next year. Heck, I remember getting Zone of the Enders just because it had the MGS2 demo.

>>9860395

>FIFA

FIFA was dogshit at the time, you fucking zoomer. It was all about Winning Eleven/Pro Evolution Soccer.

>>9861026
The JP launch sucked but the US launch had Ridge Racer, Timesplitters, Midnight Club, and Armored Core 2. That was enough to keep us busy for a few months before the real heavy hitters came out.

>>9849585
Not OP but I think It depends on the location.
In Brazil, the Play2 was a fever and the other consoles were seen as niche at best and curiosity at worst. Even the normies had a Play2 and played shit like Bomba Patch (modded PES), NFS Underground 2 and Most Wanted, Black and God of War. Of cursed, everything pirated. I didn't even see an original game until a lot of years later.
I don't think I have seen a GameCube, Xbox or Dreamcast on sale at PS2's heyday. Which is Crazy becauase early generations had a lot of competition (Mega Drive vs SNES; Master System vs Phantom System; PS1 vs N64) and later generations had a lot of competition too. But the PS2 was a Monopoly.

>>9849558
Zero.
PS2's success was because it had a DVD player. (nothing to do with video games of course).

For me? It did help, at least a little. Got to play games that I'd play at daycare at home. I think the catalogue that was on the psx that would presumably be expanded onto the ps2 swayed my decision a lot. Knew nothing about the xbox, and I wasn't interested in most of the games that were released on the gamecube when I got it. I liked crash bandicoot, so I went with naughty dog. Jak & Daxter was one of the first games that I got.

>>9861037
Fifa was a killer app, and sold ps2 consoles like hotcakes. PES did it well too. But overall FIFA sold more and got more piracy.

>>9850942
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 and 4 got PS1 versions.
THPS3 was on N64 as well, with the usual horribly butchered soundtrack due to lack of space.