/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9848032
Funny that in the FireRed/LeafGreen remakes they censored the "Give me your soul" line but not that one

probably one of the best moments of the whole game, with the eerie town music and the semi-horror story.

>Dedicate an entire subplot and building about Ghosts
>Only make one Ghost evolution line
simply Gen 1

>>9848061
>Ghost-types supposed to have type advantage over Psychic-types
>Sole Ghost-line is part-Poison
>Literally only one attack that isn't locked to fixed damage (the laughably weak Lick), and it doesn't even damage Psychics due to a glitch
Gen1, everybody.

>>9848061
It's not a plotline about the ghost pokemon line, it's about Cubone's mother and her murder by team rocket and mr fuji's redemption for his mewtwo crimes

I'm a rambling, gambling dude!

>>9848073
>Gengar fucking Explodes on your Alakazam
Gen 1, ever-ACK!

As a kid I never realized that was a hairy bent arm on the left. I always thought it was some fucked up giant hand.

>>9848032
血を寄こせ...

>>9848232
Which is fair, since it doesn't line up with his pocket.

Offer your soul!

>>9848032
Looks like L from Death Note. Intentional?

>>9848032
I used to think she was holding some kind of crossbow, and didn't notice her right hand.

>>9848465
Death Note was written way later, so not from Death Note. Not likely that L was inspired by her, either, I reckon. Could be just a common look/source for an occultist to Japanese artists.

Why does his "belt buckle" look like that?

>>9849723
To protect his massive nazi cock

I want May to give her body and soul to me, for eternity, release her life let me consume her entirely!
End the dirty anime fetishism with me, there's another way, release her life take her place in the flames of Hell with me!

>>9848032
much better ghost trainer than H*x maniac

>>9850147
The Gen3 version was cute, but the Gen6 redesign was an abomination made solely for coomers.

>>9850147
>>9850157
>The Gen3 version was cute
This.
I wouldn't mind the gen 6 design so much if it didn't replace the original. I don't think the new design would even be nearly as popular as it is if it wasn't for the milk meme.

>>9849723
More importantly, why is his skateboard transparent?

>>9848232
Goddamn it.

>>9850849
>Skateboard
You mean monster correction device?

>>9850904
It's obviously a whip, but you have to admit that it's in a perfect skateboard shape.

>>9848061
>>9848073
Pokémon didn’t start having logical or consistent world design until Gen 3

>>9850157
She was a great design even before the porn

>>9850950
big lol

>>9850950
That old G1 Pokedex guidebook that got rediscovered and translated by the man himself not too long ago presented a more logical and consistent world than anything since.

>>9848232
it's not??

>>9851062
>old G1 Pokedex guidebook that got rediscovered and translated
what happened?

>>9850904
Whys Robert Garcia carrying a lollipop tho?

>>9848172
>alakazam outspeeds gengar
>alakazam crits 23.44% of the time
>Psychic hits Gengar super effectively
>even if it doesn't crit, Psychic will always leave it in 2HKO range and has a good chance of dropping its Special
>Even if Gengar survives all of that, Explosion isn't even guaranteed to OHKO Alakazam
>Even if you OHKO Alakazam, you sacrificed a full party member that could've been very useful later to do it, good job

>>9850904
The Rocker (middle right) does not wield a whip, he's holding a spark plug because he's an Electric-type user.
The rest are definitely whips, though.

>>9848032
i thought these girls had gigantic boobs because i thought their little map sprite hands clasping together were boob windows showing off their cleavage.

Gen 1 spriteart is the very definition of SOUL

>>9851826
>pea soup filter
R/B look best with a GB Pocketesque black and white palette

>>9851597
>2HKO isn't a OHKO
>Explodes
>ACK
Bye bye Baphomet!

>>9851836
Actually it looks best with the pastel color palette from the Super Game Boy.

>>9848061
>Make an E4 leader be a Ghost-type trainer
>Forget that you only have a single Ghost-type line
>Oh shit uhhh... just give her two Gengars, a Haunter, and just pick two more Pokemon that have nothing to do with Ghosts or Ghost-types
>Make the same mistake again but with a Dragon-type E4 member

>Gen 2 comes around
>Add a single new Ghost and Dragon type each
>Make a Johto gym leader that uses Ghost-types
>He doesn't even get to use the new Ghost-type because the dev team was seemingly allergic to Johto leaders actually using Johto pokemon
>Fuck it, his entire team of four pokemon are all part of the Gastly line
>Despite there now being a grand total of 2 (two) fully-evolved Dragon-types in the game, make a Dragon-type gym leader and bring back the Dragon-type E4 member to draw from the same extremely limited pool of Dragon-types when you could have had something else like a Ground-type gym leader/champion instead

What the fuck were they thinking in those first two gens

>>9851597
gen 1 alakazam is worth three pokemon so sacrificing one pokemon to kill it is a very beneficial trade

>>9851867
Gen2 mentality seemed to be
>let's make all the new mons hidden
>let's not even have NPC trainers use them
>I mean who would want to actually see those mons right
>never enough Ratattas Zubats amiright

>>9852228
and then they did it again with gen3, half of the world being water, add in new water mons, and have Tentacools everywhere

>>9852234
The Tentacool thing was a bit annoying but they fixed the other issues. At least there was cool stuff to find during the surfing sessions like the Abandoned Ship, Gen 1 and 2 are snoozefests.

>>9851867
It's called soul. Gym leaders can choose which other types to use if they feel like it. Remember it's all about balance and variety.

>>9852257
It's very obviously just poor game design. If it was about balance and variety then pretty much every leader would be like that, but the ones which focus on types that actually have species variety obviously don't. The GB/C era of Pokemon was just incredibly sloppy with really dumb and obvious design flaws.

>>9850157
>but the Gen6 redesign was an abomination made solely for coomers.
It wasn't, you've never actually seen the character in the game itself, only the 10 years of fanart.
In reality, the Gen 6 design is not any more or less sexualized in any appreciable manner, even Gen 1 Misty was more sexualized, they outright depicted her nude on official merchandise, while Nintendo and Gamefreak barely acknowledged the popularity of Gen 6 Hex Maniac's design at all until pretty recently.

They put the Gen 6 one in ORAS, instead of recreating the Gen 3 one, but knowing Gamefreak, the primary motivation for this was that it means doing less work.

>>9850231
>I wouldn't mind the gen 6 design so much if it didn't replace the original.
They replace like every trainer class with a new design with each generation.

>>9850904
Man, there's something really special about those old designs and that style.

>>9853382
It's been a running gag in most generations that when you meet the GameFreak staff in the post-game, the character designer is always bragging about how he gets to draw such cute girls for a living. They know what they're doing with these designs.

>>9853390
I'll say that there's never been any shortage of gorgeous girls in pokémon.

>>9853382
>They replace like every trainer class with a new design with each generation.
True, but ORAS also had a lot of redesigns that were faithful to the originals. I'm just disappointed Hex Maniac wasn't one of them, especially considering gen 3 was the class' debut and all.

>>9853608
I prefer the new one but there was absolutely no reason not to keep the witch hat.

>>9853543
Isn't she canonically like 12?

>>9851290

>>9853662
Yes, Reddit is that way.

>>9848032
what the fuck am I looking at

>>9848172
>incorporeal being explodes
gen 1 errybody!!

>>9851826
>>9851836
>>9851842
*outsovls your favourite sprites*

>>9854231
heh

>>9853989
I'd like to get a copy of Green someday. Too bad it isn't compatible with non-JP versions or non-JP Stadium though.
Regarding the Channeler... is she supposed to be young or old? Can't tell if I should tell my dick to get hard or not, but somehow it does get hard. Must be the crazy eyes.

>>9853978
Gengar is corporeal, unlike haunter and gastly that weigh nothing Gengar weighs 40kg

>>9848061
Its not true but back then I think a lot of people thought Ghost types were just like sheet ghosts--they came from all dead Pokemon. Marowak was a special case of a restless ghost. Basic dead pokemon that did not pass on would just become Gastlys. Obviously by Gen 2 that was clarified as not the case.
>>9851597
>>9851840
>>9852220
Yeah, while Gen 1 mechanics aren't the most polished, I think a lot of people miss that a lot of it is based off risk/reward strategy. STAB is a bonus, not a right. You have to strategize about using TMs or letting Pokemon take a fall to take down a strong Pokemon
Is it totally fucked in terms of balance because someone can just have a 6 Alakazam team, or just trade to load up Pokemon with strong moves? absolutely. But I get what they were thinking.

>>9854231
oh you

>>9853989
In Yellow Version, the art quality was improved.

>>9854635
Improved is objective. they're less wonky and ugly, but I liked the wonkiness. They're weird RPG/dungeon crawler monsters in RGB, not mascots

>>9848232
Oh shit

Give me head

>>9854668
I really miss that wonkiness, honestly. There was something appealing about how off-model they could be. It sort of kept things fresh, even with designs you were familiar with from other artwork. Some of them never looked better than their original sprites, such as Haunter.

>>9848374
It's behind his back, not in his pocket

>>9851867
>>9852228
You have to keep in mind that when Gen 2 was made, the concept of generations didn't exist yet so GSC was just "Pokemon 2" more than anything. That's why it's basically just a direct sequel to RBY and mostly just refines what already worked in gen 1 rather than trying to add in something new that redefines the game like each generation tried to do.

>>9854287
>Regarding the Channeler... is she supposed to be young or old?
They're just miko that have been possessed by ghost pokemon, and miko are meant to be young.

>>9855227
Hot it is, then. Thanks anon.

>>9854668
But I think the fact that they look like mascots is a major reason why Pokemon became a hit in the first place. Pokemon look nice, plus it's paired with the idea that it's a collecting/pet adventure game. It appeals to both boys and girls because there's a variety in the creatures. I think the art and design really was the thing holding it all together, to tell you the truth. Pokemon was leagues ahead of its closest comparison Dragon Quest at monster designs.

>>9854287
Japanese copies of all the early gen games are honestly pretty cheap and “modding” the N64 to play Japanese carts is really trivial so I’d say go for it.

>>9855216
This. When people shit on Gen 2 they always forget GSC was more of a sequel rather than something entirely new looking to set itself apart from the previos iteration.

>>9855463
>>9855426
>>9855405
>>9855231

>>9855208
Weird way to stand.

>>9855676
I'm too used to Star Trek captains looking out the cabin window with their arms behind their back to think of it as wierd.

>>9855463
>When people shit on Gen 2
Do they? Yeah it has problems but I was under the impression people like Gen 2. The Gen 4 remake is some of the best shit GF has made because it really feels like "the Gen 2 they wanted to make but couldn't" rather than a cheap remake

>>9855720
The pose your thinking of requires both arms. This is just Japanese autism.

what's the best retroarch shader for gen 2 pokemon? the whites are really harsh even with the default gbc presets

>>9855405
>Pokemon was leagues ahead of its closest comparison Dragon Quest at monster designs.
I don't know about that. There are some great Pokemon designs, but a lot of filler, too.

>>9855725
Gen 2 has been shat on pretty consistently ever since some YouTuber made a video declaring it the worst gen and breaking down a bunch of reasons why. I think part of it is that the Pokémon fan base is extremely contrarian at times and Gen 2 used to be really well-liked for a while

>>9856327
Since when are people so easy to brainwash?

>>9858240
Since MKUltra.

>>9856327
>"muh youtuber" cope
Classic.

>>9856327
I was so put off by gen 2 that it took me out of the Pokemania phase and my interest in the franchise never really recovered. I just thought almost all of the designs were really bad, except for the Totodile line and a few others like Skarmory. They were all so much softer and rounder looking than the overall look for gen 1, and all the literal babies didn't really help.

>>9859012
What part is supposed to be cope?

My favorite thing about Gen 1 was how it felt like a real adventure, like there was some real darkness in the world you were experiencing as a kid going out into it both in game universe as a kid character leaving his town for the first time and out by actually being an actual little kid

The whole ghost thing, the genetic experimentation angle, the very cruel rockets, and the overall mystery to what Pokemon were in the first place created this mystifying world as a kid that made me want to know more about these mysteries, having some of those early episodes of the anime helped as well

>>9855216
That doesn't excuse the fact that so much of the new content is unseen. Mega Man series sequels focus on what's new, not what's old.

>>9848061
>make something unique and rare
>make a big deal out of it
>zoomer is mindbroken

>>9848073
>>9859367
1991-fag here, take off your nostalgia goggles comrade, you sound delusional

>>9848032
I always thought it looked like Channelers were wearing a lotus on their heads.

>>9861013
They look like kappa to me. I don't know if that's intentional, it seems off-theme, unless they love eating ass.

>>9859061
There is something of a common cope whenever people see an opinion they disagree with, and immediately assume it must have originated from a Youtuber they saw have the same opinion

>>9854231
If Hiroshimoot still accepted banners, this would be pretty good for /vr/.

>>9851867
The problem was that Misdrevious was supposed to be a secret pokemon left to be discovered in the final dungeon, giving it to Morty would have spoilered the secret.

Hell the strategy guides of that era outright censored some of the more rarer Gen 2 pokemon and simply gave a ??? symbol or went "There are other pokemon here we can't list".

As a side effect though it led to some of the Gen 2 pokemon to be completely forgotten, like I ran into people who up to Gen 4 didn't know about Misdrevious.

Then again there were people who forgot Slugma was a Gen 2 pokemon for the same reason.

>>9851842
It's a shame the virtual console didn't enable GBC mode.

>>9855227
>>9855231
Channeler's never got enough sexy fan art until Let's Go

>>9862398
And even then most of the fan art just gives her fat tits and that's it.

>>9854231
Clever

>>9862373
>Hell the strategy guides of that era outright censored some of the more rarer Gen 2 pokemon and simply gave a ??? symbol or went "There are other pokemon here we can't list".
I'm guessing this was in those shitty third-party guides like Prima.

>>9848032
Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure she's meant to be a reference to a kappa, you guys.

>>9848161
>It's a fucking deck of cards
I always thought it was a little bowl he kept his dice in

>>9862986
It's not a deck of cards.
It is a cup.
It's called cho-han and it's a direct stereotypical reference to what dice gambling was/is in Asia.

>>9862986
It looks like a cup.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/PI_(Trainer_class)#Appearance

>>9862986
>I always thought it was a little bowl
It's a cup.

>>9856327
Gen 1 has far more problems, people just give it a pass because it was their first try. Note that unlike lists for later generations which list mostly subjective things like "the story is poorly-paced", almost everything on this list is a mechanical problem.

>>9859117
Not entirely being railroaded into it also helps too. Like the Rocket subplot is necessary, but the whole Mew cloning thing is only known if you bother to read the journal entries. In modern versions you'd be railroaded into needing to read the notes to continue.

>>9863080
Gen 1 has a lot of glitches, but Gen 2 has a lot more fundamental design issues like an awful level curve and poor pokemon distribution

>>9853989
these designs make soooo much more sense looking at these sprites
Im not a fan of gen 1 but its a shame later games are so clean and sanitized in the sprites

>>9863108
The sprites look too inconsistent, it's very obvious that there were multiple people with very different art styles working separately designing them. The end result looks like a bunch of monsters from different games thrown together onto a single sprite sheet.

>>9853989
>Wigglytuff's eyes
>Ekans' mouth
lmao

>>9863096
I'll justify that. For one, I wouldn't say it has an awful level curve, it's just that compared to gen 1 where you can do Gyms 3-6 in any order you want as long as you have Cut, Gen 2 has a very clear progression path. Add onto that the fact that the E4 is only level 50 so there aren't really any power spikes until you reach Kanto, and if you've been fighting every trainer you meet that should be a non-issue.
As for poor distribution, I will chalk that up to the fact that a lot of them were evolutions or baby forms to gen 1 pokemon so you had to obtain the originals first. Yeah, there's some fucking wierd ones (I have to wait until this one square in Kanto at night to get a Houndour, the only Dark-type worth a damn in Gen 2? Why?), you still obtained almost all of them in Johto itself. Like look at the list
https://www.serebii.net/pokemon/gen2pokemon.shtml
There's only a few you won't see in Johto, not counting trade evolutions

>>9863124
For reference, here is every Gen 2 pokemon you can't catch in Johto in any version of the game, not counting the evolution of a Gen 1/2 pokemon you catch earlier and level up
>Politoed
>Slowking
>Scizor
>Steelix
>Kingdra
>Sneasel
>Houndour
>Slugma
>Misdreavus
>Murkrow
>Blissey
>Porygon 2
That's it, unless I missed one. What do the first 5 have in common? They're all trade evolutions, holding that against Gen 2 is like being upset that Gen 1 won't let you obtain an Alakazam vs leveling.

>>9863124
Most complaints about the level curve seem to be later game pokemon being far too underleveled, and weird shit like Kanto having trainers in the 20's-40's with wild pokemon as low as level 3 in the same area.

>>9863230
True but by that point nothing can challenge you except the gyms so I assume they did it as a way to level up your weaker pokemon.

>>9862398
Everyone's cute in that game, and to be fair it's pretty much a 1:1 of her trading card >>9855227

>>9863184
Slight correction but in Crystal you actually can catch Sneasel in the Ice Path, though it’s a rare night-only encounter.

>>9856327
It is still well-liked, do not confuse the average person with faggots like this >>9859012 who only exists on the internet.

>>9863640
>It is still well-liked
Where? They hate it on the Pokemon board and call the fans "Johtroons"

>>9848843
>L has bags under his because he rarely sleeps
>Channelers have big glowing possessed eyes being shaded by a some strange headdress

???

>>9863656
Yeah, those are a dedicated group of shitstirrers. They also enjoy spamming that fag's video on there to bait /vp/, who I should note, is also a shitstirrer himself

>>9850157
>made for coomers
Have you never seen what she actually looks like? She's suppose to look like a stinky, crazed French goth teenager. The fan-art with her having big tits originates from a 2chan joke about where the Hex Maniac who sells you Moo Moo Milk gets her milk from.

>>9863421
The problem is that it doesn't really feel organic, it just feels like they kept the levels of wild pokemon about the same from RBY for continuity.
I would've loved Kanto to feel like a whole fresh start, but it doesn't, and Johto feels small.

>>9863572
Oh I wasn't aware of that, neat

>>9863656
/vp/ hates and shitposts about every gen except the one they personally like, Johto isn't singled out there.

>>9863774
I guess I give it some slack because for one, no one knew Kanto was going to be in the game and it was amazing when it happened and 2, the HGSS remakes fixed the majority of Gen 2's problems anyway.

>>9863794
Although I will say this, Gen 2's music suffered as a result of fitting Kanto on there because of how much it had to be compressed to compensate

>>9863080
>>9863096
All I know is, R/B/Y is a very breezy playthrough....smooth, your Pokemon are always the right level if you've been actually fighting and not being lazy, they end up fully evolved by the endgame if you weren't lazy, and the game has a pretty nice layout of mons you can get before the latter half of the game giving you decent options for every type, I never had a struggle trying to figure out my team in those games, it all just works out well.

G/S/C, the opposite is true I find for all these things. Not to mention, the day/night system only makes things more complicated, it was a cool feature playing as a kid but for replays, it really puts a damper on the replayability.

Gen 1 might have a lot of technical flaws but most of them only effect competitive play, not the single mode adventure in any significant way, thus it's not a problem for most people.

>>9863803
>I never had a struggle trying to figure out my team in those games, it all just works out well.
A true child of the era just levelled their starter and overpowered their problems by having 15 levels on the enemy

I have it in my mind that I can't just replay the first 2 gens because they'd be too easy, so I tried to do a mono type run without over leveling past the gym leader's ace, but really the games barely work well with that and some types aren't even possible.

Would a randomizer help make the first 2 gens more replayable?

>>9863807
You can just replay them normally for the sake of nostalgia, not everything has to be a challenge. If it was then Kirby games wouldn't exist.

>>9863810
Thanks for not answering my question.

>>9863807
Try Pokemon Crystal Clear. It's not a randomizer but it changes how you play Crystal as a result.
>basically removes all non-water barriers so you can travel as you please, effectively an open world
>choose the town you start in as well as a starter from like 20 choices
>Gym leaders scale based on how many badges you have so far
>nuzlocke mode (just press Select and A when selecting new game)

>>9863820
Also when I say Gym leaders scale, I don't just mean in terms of level but also what pokemon and moves they use.

>>9863806
>A true child of the era just levelled their starter and overpowered their problems by having 15 levels on the enemy
Yeah you could do that, which is why any technical problems don't really matter for the single player, the game is easy to cheese.

I never did that though as a kid, I was a Pokemon nerd who had to LARP as a real trainer in the game, had to have six favorite Pokemon and pretend I was raising them.

>>9863806
No, that's what retards did.

>>9863807
When I want to have an extra challenge in a Pokemon game, I up the number of Pokemon that I train.
Instead of the normal six, I'll train twelve or eighteen. You can really do any number you want though.
When you go to a Pokemon Center, you grab your lowest level Pokemon. I usually take the lowest five and my designated HM user. Then you just play normally until the next time you go to a center.
For big fights like Gym Battles or Rival Battles, you get to bring any team you want.
This method makes the game harder because your EXP is being split more ways. No matter what you do you'll always be a lower level. Unlike a lot of challenge runs, it starts out easy and gets harder as your team increases in size. It's also very easy to adjust mid-playthrough. If things are still too easy, train more Pokemon. If things are getting too tough, train less Pokemon.
The biggest advantage is that it lets you use lots and lots of Pokemon. I have a few favorites that I always end up using, so it's fun to play with all the Pokemon I think are neat but have never gotten around to training.

Alternatively, if you want a challenging Gen 1/2 experience, play Stadium.

>>9864118
I recently did a Yellow roleplay of Ash, and I used lesser mons of his up until I could replace them with his higher tier stuff. My final team was in the mid 40s, and it was actually properly challenging up until the end.

>>9863820
>Try Pokemon Crystal Clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do30IILOCu8
this looks like a completely different game and not necessarily in a good way

>>9864184
Yeah there are some dumb OCs, but that doesn't change what the game is like when they aren't around.

>>9864862
Why can't someone just make a hack that fixes G/S/C's problems without derailing it with self-insert fanfiction cringe

>>9864890
Because think about what kind of people are going to make romhacks of 20 year old games for children, and you have your answer

>>9863794
>the HGSS remakes fixed the majority of Gen 2's problems anyway.
Just not the ones that actually needed to be fixed, like the poor level curve and Pokemon distribution. And I personally feel like even what they did fix (i.e. the restored dungeons) felt forced and went against the aesthetic. Things like Viridian Forest being wiped out and Mewtwo's cave collapsing may have been memory-saving cuts, but it also made sense to follow from Gen1's heavy urban feel and to contrast with Johto being mostly forest and old-fashioned culture.

>>9866027
It would have been nice if they had at least one NPC near Viridian Forest giving a justification for it being downsized. As it stands, it just looks like they were hoping that somehow nobody familiar with RGBY would notice.

>>9866406
I'm pretty sure there is an NPC that tells you the forest burned down.

>>9868668
there isn't

>>9868668
There isn't, last I checked. You're probably mixing it up with all the NPCs who tell you that Cinnabar Island erupted and got wiped out.

I'll ask the stupid question. How do I get trade evos and out-of-version mons on an emulator?

>>9871582
Look up the Mew Glitch, you can do it with any pokemon, not just Mew.

>>9871582
By trading. BGB, VBA (some versions of it anyway) and MelonDS can all do it. BGB can trade with itself opening two instances of the emulator for instance.

Don't succumb to the cheating

>>9871582
PKHex.

>>9871610
I'm fine with using that to grab exclusives from the other game, but I'd hate to not be able to evolve a Haunter. Just catching a Gengar isn't the same.
>>9871616
>>9871634
I'll look into these, thanks.

>>9871582
Just use PKHex and edit the pokemon to be that.

>>9848073
>Ghost-types supposed to have type advantage over Psychic-types
Are they? Because ghost moves won't even hit psychics. Is that a bug?