/vr/ - Retro Games

I love his art, But its so fucking hard to find it in any high res

>>9843890
god nidorina is so cute
but nidoqueen is my favourite

>>9843996
Worth using retrogen on SNES

>>9843890

>>9843890
i prefer the artstyle of gen 1 blatant toriyama ripoff sure, but its really good, but imo sugimori hit his stride in gen2 in terms of monster design
i remember seeing some pic of like gen7/8 mons with gen1 art and vice versa. actually made some of the new mons bearable

>>9845398

>>9845418

>>9845429
>>9843917
someone post the one with three protags
the one with "blue" (shes a girl)

>>9845405
Brock just oozes soul.

>>9845434

>>9845434
thats green actually iirc
shes a more prominent character in the old comics i think

>>9845442
>wearing blue
is named green

the usa translators fucked up bad

>>9845442
>>9845447
i like that they eventually settled on "leaf" (aka leafGREEN)
and put her in smash

i had masuda reply to my tweet in a \vr\ thread after the boys egged me on to asking about her canonical name - he avoided the question and played koy

>>9845447
also mains the squirtle line
engrish is hard an shieeet

You retards in japanese it was pokemon Red and Green, not Red and Blue.
The protagonist is Red, the rival is Green, the girl is Blue.

the localization switched it around but that's irrelevant

>>9845459
based
people rag on genwun mon designs nowadays which is hilarious to me. like pulling 151 unique mons out of your ass is some ez task
the relative simplicity of the designs is what gives them their strength imo

>>9845438

>>9845480
that's not sugimori's

>>9845480
>blastoise
>cleff
GOAT team
my first playthrough had those two mons in my party literally the whole time

>>9845497
holy soul batman, even the kanga kid looks ready to beat on you

>>9845501
also persian
holy fuck genwun persian is secretly one of the most powerful mons in the whole game
i liked cats anyways so i prolly wouldve used her anywho, but even as a kid i remember noticing how persian literally ALWAYS crits with slash

>>9845459
>only real pokemon
retarded take
they always intended to add more
ho-oh is LITERALLY IN THE FIRST EPISODE
many of the designs that were cut got reused in gold\silver "the game they actually wanted to make"

RBY = gamefreak devs unhappy with their work

>>9845514
the crit stat calcs were fucked in that game
based on speed kek
if you used agility you could sweep entire teams

blues team was absolutely based though
>>9845513
i think that art is from a "find the pokemon" book
the art is godtier

>>9845520
yea like a month ago i decided to try some genwun rando on showdown surprisingly ez to find a match compared to most old gens. never really struck me how busted agility was. since it was mostly already fast mons that got it, i had almost never used it.
but getting paralyzed, then using it, not only returns your speed to normal, but it fucking QUARTERS your opponents
lmao
who knew?

>>9845517
>ho-oh is LITERALLY IN THE FIRST EPISODE
Because the anime began development after the first game while Gold and Silver were in development

>many of the designs that were cut got reused in gold\silver "the game they actually wanted to make"
WHEN WILL THIS MEME FUCKING DIE?

190 pokemon were designed for gen 1, we know of all the 39 pokemon that were cut, none made it to the final version of gen 2. Moreover we have access to several beta versions of gold and silver that show how they were actively heavily redesigning pokemon all the way through development. Now add to this Sugimori interviews which are the cherry on top.

>"I see. Most Pokemon in Gold & Silver were of the cute variety, but this time…”
>Sugimori: “Indeed, there were a lot of kiddy designs, and some fans were starting to say Pokemon had become too babyish, so one theme for Ruby & Sapphire was returning to the coolness of monsters.
>“In your previous interview at the time of Gold & Silver (February 2000 issue), you said when you were designing Pokemon, you had to consider merchandising, and that created some constraints.”
>Sugimori: “Rather than constraints, I’d say we were careful about a lot of things. Like we’d say ‘if we don’t make a Pokemon this way, they’ll be difficult to animate in the TV show.’ We didn’t really think about those kinds of things this time, which might be bad for the anime staff and independent artists.”

now please proceed to kill yourself, most gen 2 pokemon are a fucking joke

>>9845528
>That interview
Man, and to think nowdays they design new pokémon with the merchandise in mind, so they're easily translatable into plushies and such.

>>9845532
look at their shapes and proportions, their heads are twice the size of the bodies

>>9845528
personally i liked the cutemons in gen 2. marill, gligar, hoppip, misdreavus etc
and lets not forget king fucking quag
what a dude

but theyre among the best in the series in terms of cutemon design
i always had an azumarril on hand just to get around the map, but then they gave her YUGE power
now i cant remember the last time i havent had her in my party

His non-Pokemon art is good too.

>>9845528
underage confirmed
never knew the legend of "pikablu"

>>9845576
>jerry boy
why are nips so inept?
like i get it, the language doesnt really have either "r"s or "l"s, but i mean come the fuck on
i feel like ive never seen them get it right even once
almost seems intentional

>>9845608
>never knew the legend of "pikablu"
it's almost like marill was an early marketing mon used for the promotion of gold and silver in japan before it came to the west. that totally means it was mean for gen 1 even though pikaBLU was fucking pink in the early gold and silver beta

the absolute state of gentooers trying desperately to be considered part of the originals. enjoy your cash in sloppy seconds

>>9843917
>But its so fucking hard to find it in any high res
you are welcome

>>9845620
m8 theyre like practically the same fucking game

also you sound like the weird zoomie larping tbph
i cant think of a kid who was into pokeymans back during pokemania that had and played R/B, that didnt want or have G/S. it was just a given, and most of the changes were things we wanted
>color
>more mons to catch
>more map to explore
>more gyms to beat
>better bag/item menu
the first big drop off i can recall was gen 3 where we all realized all our mons wed been training in stadium were now forever trapped on our GBs/N64s

>>9845642
Yeah I dropped Pokémon partially cause I couldn’t trade up and I was a teenager by the time gen3 dropped and I was much more interested in girls and music n shit. Glad I stopped and got to grow up a little m, cause when I did finally play emerald, it became an instant favorite. I definitely like gen3 over gen2

>>9845629
>>9843917
>AI enhanced garbage that destroys the original brush work, line art, and blurs the beautiful water colors

quit ruining the original artwork

>>9845473
The issue is that many of them aren't really monsters, just regular animals or inanimate objects. Later generations got much more creative and expressive with mon designs

>>9845642
The reason this even came about is because some fucktard was promoting the straight up false misinformation that gen 2 mons are cut gen 1 mons

I could spend all day going on and on about everything that went wrong with gen 2 but why bother, this is a sugimori appreciation thread I just wanted to break down the myth that was brought up

>hurr because you would eat up any new shit thrown your way as a kid that means you can't look at it under an adult critical eye
more content =/= better. phantom menace isn't a great film just because little kids were delighted they got more star wars content

>>9845659
is the exact same image you retarded snorlax
I don't see anything wrong with it

>>9845671
>using ridiculous pokegod cringe as an example like its a positive
lmao

fan art using sugimori's style

>>9845551

>>9845715
Kek, fucking perfect

>>9845679
it's not you bumbling dipshit, AI smears shit and soften edges, its like if you were to increase the size of a small image by 10x so its all distorted and fuck up, then trace over it.

It made traditional art look digital.

>>9845728
the original pic here >>9843917 is literally just a thumbnail of >>9845629

it even has the bottom left description

>>9845361
>blatant toriyama ripoff
it really isn't.

>>9845728
see >>9845741

>>9845361
>but imo sugimori hit his stride in gen2 in terms of monster design
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Genpooers are hilarious

>>9845447
>>9845462
Not much they could do at the time. We got Red and Blue, not red and Green, so the player's character and rival had those names as. For synergy, Green had to become Blue, and Green became Blue.
Not that the other two's colors correspond with starters, either, Red had Bulbasaur and Rival has Charmander.

>>9845671
I'm not as hard on post Gen-2 stuff as most of this board, but even back then I thought Giratina looked like an absolute mess as a design.

>>9845754
>>9845741
thats wasnt the point, the bottom left description is what says its been doctored and "enhanced" by an AI. Its not the actual piece, its been altered from its default.

>>9845754
>>9845741
>simpleton doesn't know how AI upscaling works
No shit it looks like the same image, because it is. upscaled.

>>9845770
>>9845773
But he literally posted a shrunken down version of the already "enhanced upscaled" version so if he was fine with it he(you?) should have been happy with getting a larger non-compressed version of that same pic

your points would only be valid if the picture that was initially posted was not the "enhanced upscaled" version but it was

>>9845770
>>9845773
see >>9845783

>>9845783
This is a video game retro board that is obsessed with preservation, the reason I take offense to that image in general is that I hate seeing this fan made AI upscale shit being mistaken and spread as the original; which sadly only exists in form of this tiny card, and until the official source or ken himself releases a HQ scan of the OG art thats probably lost, parading some doctored fan upscale around as the "cleanest" official Ken art doesnt sit well with me, like people using those horrible filters on SNES games.

>>9845754
>>9845793
quit replying to yourself, you're not old enough to be on 4chan.

>>9845754
>>9845793
lol you're welcome that I'm doing your battles for you

and to the other autists you're welcome for this relatively hi res non-enhanced version. now let's change subject

>>9845812
I didn't like the condition your card was in so I upscaled it for you :)

>>9845805
>which sadly only exists in form of this tiny card
then stop crying about it grandpa
>>9845812
not even my Lvl.100 Blaziken has fought as hard as you.
You get VIP access to Squirtland-Park when it opens

>>9845830
your meme looked like shit so I AI upscaled it for you

>>9845837
kek

>>9845830
>>9845837
did somebody say Vaporeon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLdWbwQJWI0

>>9845841
scary

>>9845696
>>9845765
imagine being a genwunner in 2023

>>9845837
that's an image macro not a meme

>>9845907
it is a meme

>>9845904
>imagine being a genwunner in 2023
I'm going to take heat from /vr/ and say I still like quite a few modern Pokemon designs, but Giratina is still a mess.

>>9845904
Go back to /vp/ and take your muh animals with you
This is sovl country, and you'd shit yourself if you saw a 3 foot tall bee with drills for hands or a 6 foot tall 350 pound firebreathing dog

>>9845760
You have your babymons and a lot more smoother shapes in general, but I think gen 2 is still the closest to gen 1 in terms of designs.

>>9845841
>/vtendo will happily ignore this was the kind of shit that their fanbase did over that summer, even if you presented these types of videos to their faces
>because of course, why wouldnt they

peak consoomer year. what an awful point in time.

>>9845948
blasphemy.jpeg

>>9846361
Pokemon Go was the closest thing that will ever be to full on reignite pokemania 20 years later for a brief period. Shame the game sucked, it had potential to be so much more

>>9846323
yea i wasnt gonna bother desu, but you get it
i think the simpler lines/designs lend itself to more pleasant mons to look at. sure you got the introduction of breeding, so theres a ton more cutemons.
but then you got cool shit like t-tar, houndoom, scizor, donphan, steelix, skarm etc which as far as im concerned can AT LEAST stand up to the cool mons in RBY
and the artstyle is obviously very similar given they were made almost immediately after release of gen1 in japan
guys just trying to pick fights where there aint desu

imo the roamers, raikou in particular, are a litlle overdesigned suicunes alright, but i think the box legends themselves are quite nice to look at and are among the best in the series
and if you ARENT a huge edgelord or 13yo and can admit that cutemons a cute, then gen 2 certainly has that in spades

>>9846221
>Giratina is still a mess
lol absolutely
imo gen 3 was the last time the legends werent totally overwrought. and even then rayquaza is DEFINITELY creeping towards pushing it. he just gets a pass since hes a badass immortal sky serpent

The Stadium portraits are kino

>>9845456
But then Let's Go came out and she got completely changed to Green. Leaf now only exists in gacha fodder like Masters.

>>9847491
Not sugimori

>>9847691
Sugimori is credited for characters amongst others, so how do you know it wasn't him?

>>9847709
>sugimori is credited for characters amongst others
that's literally just the 4 designers who actually designed the pokemon for red and blue(green) that were lifted for this game. by "characters" they aren't even referring to just humans.

the people actually making the original 2d assets for the game were Tokihiko Toyoda, Makoto Tanaka, Shigefumi Hino, Yasushi Matsubara, Tomoaki Nakahara but yeah did base them directly on sugimori's work who did design the humans for pokemon red and blue(green)

>>9847756
>it was just coworkers heavily aping his style
Epic. Glad we could have this conversation.

>>9847757
not even coworkers, stadium wasnt developed by gamefreak

>>9847762
True, I forgot how badly these games exposed GF's incompetence.

>>9847526
she is IN SMASH ULTIMATE
masuda confirmed her name\canon

>>9847878
GameFreak and Masuda made the Let's Go games as the new version of Kanto's events to go with their current "Mega Evolution" continuity. What Smash or any other spin-off does is totally irrelevant.

>>9846440
they probably had to kill off the game because of all the stupid shit normies were doing with that game over that summer.
apparently, there was a video at the time of a bunch of pokefag montifa types hanging around a gravesite of dead american veterans and camping around the place without caring about the tombstones. some old geezer came up to them and told them they were disrespecting the site and a bunch of vitriol from said pokefags ensued with them.
you also had people getting killed falling into holes or getting kidnapped and robbed cause people starting using it nefariously and it was not long afterwards started falling off in popularity.

>>9845904
Is writing "one" like that supposed to be clever or just some mad, pissbaby zoomer shit? You will always be inferior and mediocre.

>>9845948
Still mad at Segay for not localizing this. The second one is great, but has way worse games than this (despite that Power Drift and Galaxy Force II look amazing in faggot-filtering 3D).

Would have loved the first one, too, also because the games are amazing on that one.

>>9848470
genwun? More like gen won
gen two? More like gen poo

>>9845714
Good to know. Pretty talented fan.

>>9848487
>Anon used Recover
>0 PP
>Anon uses Struggle and fainted

>>9848491
It's actually an edit I made using Red from official art to remove the dude's OC donut steel self insert character

>>9848506
>just looked up Donut Steel
My kek

>>9848606
forced meme.
deviantART started going downhill the moment Daily Deviations was getting spammed with "realisticpokaymon:DD" trite. Sonic fags actually kept to themselves on the site, and the complaint around the OC meme was because said Nintendo fags either flooded the site, or were going around copying other people's artstyles to make their ""Fanart"" look fancier in order to get onto the frontpage in order to boost their ""popularity"" and attention.

>source

I used to do the exact same thing.

>>9848636
I just thought your quip was funny (after I l learned what that's what it was heh...). Looks like a forced meme, yeah, but at least it sounds less gay and retarded than this anger-induced one >>9845904

>>9848660
well, i wasn't the same anon, but yeah, i suppose it is pretty amusing either way, even though the donut meme's origin's are a bit fabricated. good to hear you got a chuckle at least.

>>9848051
>smash bros is irrelevant
wow ive read some dumbass stuff but this takes the cake

From this point forward I'm disallowing any Sugimori digitial works to be posted in this thread. Only hand drawn/painted pieces are permitted

>>9848763
blow me ya fuckface

>>9843890

>>9848770
gross

>>9848636
>I used to do the exact same thing.
uh yeah we could tell when you tried to make DO NOT STEAL sound like a productive response to "copying", blamed nintendo, and basically started claiming people laughing at the sheer cringiness of such autism drama was somehow forced
congrats on making it here from there though lmao
maybe you just have a different view of how it was perceived from within the site's community vs outsiders looking in
some people would probably be interested in stories about what the fuck was going on with that site back then

>>9848807

sex with vaporeon

There was a thread about this the other day, but the Pokemon Blue Sugimori art (aka the ones that appeared in most English players guides) turned out to be the wrong colors. Looking through Japanese promotional materials, there's a LOT of minor color variations of this art.

What probably happened was Gamefreak faxing the physical art to different magazines, who then had to make their own scans (instead of doing a master scan and e-mailing it out, like you would today). So color information was lost to varying degrees based on how good the fax machines and scanning equipment was. Whoever put together the image set for Western use was working with particularly awful scans, so those are the ones we got.

>>9845629
AI tards get the rope. This shit looks like it was raped with the liquify tool, you've lost all the texture in favour of mathematically calculated smooth transitions from shade to shade. Look at the linework it doesn't look like something a human even touched it's almost vectorized.

>>9847526
>>9847878
>>9848051
They both exist, just for different things. The FR/LG girl is still Leaf, the Let's Go girl is green. Gamefreak really isn't for making much of the player characters canon after everyone latched onto RBY Red and Green.

>>9845760
is this really what goes for an intelligent insult among pokemon fans?

>>9848913
Among those still calling themselves Pokemon fans, yes. Their brains have rotted from trying to defend literal shit they've eaten for the last decade or more. They've degenerated to kindergarten insults (being manchildren, incapable of moving on when something generally for everyone turns into a by-the-books children's series).

>>9848770
It's so hard looking at 2000's digital art. It was kinda off looking back then but now that we've gotten a better idea of what works and how it looks at obscenely high resolutions, the flaws in early stuff where everyone was just abusing every tool is so much more apparent.
Still a strong composition

>>9848814
I gotta be honest, I really love the washed out, scanned by a 90's scanner look.

>>9843890
>Sugimori
You could say he was based back in the day.

>>9848814
To clarify this only applies to the set of art from the third japanese version(see the right side of pic related), the original set as seen here >>9845459 is very much accurate

>>9849424
Or, "more or less accurate", at least. Even the ones on the left have some color inconsistencies depending on where they appear. They just aren't fucked beyond repair like the ones on the right.

>>9843890
I've always like that tadpole one but I forgot the name

>>9849592
-ACK

>>9849741
>Kadabra is banned from all Pokemon media barring the games for two decades because some Russian "psychic"/conman is pissed that kids mistake him for the Pokemon they named after him
How petty.

>>9849749
Not anymore, Yuri has finally embraced Kadabra.

And it's not that he was actually afraid people would mistake him for Kadabra, he's a conman so that was just a ploy to get Nintendo money in court for using his name

>>9848807
if you're reading comprehension was good, you would have noticed that i was a pokefag around the time of that too, and did a lot of nintendo related art as well.

everyone saw anything nintendo related was more popular than oc content (or og content) and it became lucrative to try going around stealing people's work in order to get boosted onto the front page.
the pokemon community was especially popular over there and no, believe or not, it wasn't strictly related to fetish material.
a lot of it was fan-og related work and material and while a lot of it 'was' very good, the problem there is that, naturally, it started overshadowing actual original work, with some of them even going after said og work from other artists and using it to prop up fan-content on the site.
there was murmurs that even Nintendo themselves lurked heavily on the site for inspiration too, which wouldn't surprise me either since a lot of Japanese artists would've hung around there at the time too, many working as freelance artists on the side with them.

but outside of that, nintendo shit got so bad, that eventually, the donut steel meme was becoming common place for other stuff like pokesonas, fakemon, oc trainers and the like.
sonic autism was actually quite mild in comparison to the stuff pokefags and nintendo fags got up to, with one group community there even getting involved with minors through the Mystery Dungeon fanbase. but of course, you'll never hear about that because Nintendofags are extremely hypocritical when it comes to accountability.

>>9848814
>the soul in the art was actually just cheap scanners the whole time

kek

>>9850073
Not really. >>9845459 has always been correct and it's just as soulful.
The other set had soul in spite of the bad quality, not because of it

>>9850090
the scanner colours definitely add to it though, irony being that said colours are 'because' of the bad technology.
goes to prove extreme colour accuracy isn't necessarily everything.
i guess at the very end, gay as it sounds, what's underneath is what matters.

>>9845904
Gen won. Seel with it.

>>9848814
i mean even with the correct colors that thing still looks great because it has very beady dot eyes and looks aggressive. design just screams wild animal, not plush toy

>>9843890
They actually found all the Pokemon illustrations in high res, but the cunts in charge are drip feeding them to Vulvapedia, and because much of the look you're familiar with is owed to the images being raped by bad 90's scanners, you'll probably call the true originals soulless anyway.

>>9850364
Already happened ITT. These people are truly damaged.

>>9845459
The truth. What's your favorite evolutionary line? Here's mine.

>>9850392
farfetch'd -> doduo -> dodrio

>>9850989
Good taste.

>>9850392
>Cloyster gets fucked to death and becomes a ghost

>>9849741
Suck me, faggot.

>>9847756
Was that Red portrait anywhere else before Stadium?: >>9847491
It sure looks like Sugimori, and I always thought it looked really cool. It's like an older Red with longer hair.

>>9845728
You're not making a good case for yourself if you truly think that looks better.

>>9845483
underrated

>>9845456
Leaf is a different character to Green. Green is a manga only character.

Superb cringe thread, good job lads

To all the niggers complaining about the AI upscaled artwork, I'm glad you're all out of a "job", you guys really are insufferable, not only the AI upscale actually quite good if it's the only option we have what the fuck are you complaining about.

>>9845438
canon starter is bulbasaur?

>>9852038
>canon starter
No such thing

>>9852038
Makes sense, No. 001.

>>9845528
I just have to say that I was so disappointed with the gen 2 designs that it shook me out of my full-blown late 90's Pokemania phase and turned me off the franchise altogether after that. In retrospect the game itself was one of the best looking on the system and I really missed out by not giving it its dues, but I stand by how lame the new mons were in general.

>>9845438
damn this one took me back. at that age I really was a pokemon trainer.

>>9852038
Reddo somehow has all three starters AND Pikachu and they don't bother to justify it.

>>9853216
The Red that went on being "canon" in the follow up games is the Red from pokemon Yellow who starts with Pikachu and he gets all the other starters along the way, obviously to mimic Ash from the anime.
Proof that only the original games are free of the cancerous influence of the anime

>>9853235
Except Blue still uses his Red/Blue team (minus starter) and not his Yellow team. In fact, Blue has never used his Yellow team in any other games that he's appeared in.

>>9853240
Glad we agree it's all fucking dumb

>>9845438
The starters should be big enough to eat their trainers like they are here.

>>9853246
Yeah. Red's team is designed to hide which starter he actually picked by instead giving him all three. The Pikachu is an obvious nod to Ash from the anime, but that's as far as it goes.

>>9853247
Sugimori gave an interview where he said the sizes werent decided by the designers but by Tajiri who wrote the Pokedex so there were some instances where the artists were surprised by how the official sizes didn't match at all how they were envisioned while being designed

>>9853251
>Red's team is designed to hide which starter he actually picked
Dude, it's Red from Yellow, his "starter" in the game was Pikachu

>>9853258
No games since have referenced Yellow as canon, except maybe Let's Go, but that's more of a weird reboot.

>>9853257
Yeah, I'm always surprised by how tiny most of them are. Did they abandon the whole "Pokemon shrink to tiny sizes when they faint or get captured" conceit? That's why they're pocket monsters, isn't it? You can have big monsters if they shrink when necessary.

>>9853268
*Facepalm*

>>9853258
Like others have said, Blue doesn't use his Yellow team in that game. It's obvious Red was just a case where, instead of picking a starter for him, they just gave him all four.

>>9853270
Actually they brought it back harder than ever and western fans who thought it was the pokeballs that made pokemon shrink threw a fit that day. Then someone unearthed one of the earliest official guide books that even gave expanded lore that no, pokemon just shrink, it's a thing they do. Good time was had by all.

>>9853235
>>9853240
People speculating about canon teams of player characters is probably why we barely get them showing up after their game. GF really tries to emphasize there not being a right way to play Pokemon. Side material like the manga and masters plays more loose with it.

>>9853984
That's pretty weird, I remember reading back then that the pokeballs not only converted the pokémon into energy (so any of them can fit any type of capsule) but they even had simulated habitats for each pokémon.

>>9853270
No. Pokemon shrinking was mentioned as recently as Pokemon Legends Arceus. The funny thing is that because of it, there was a huge debate in the community over whether it was a retcon or not. Then people found this dialog from Diamond and Pearl:
>"...Ah, hello. You’re here to read, too? Books are wonderful things. The thoughts of people written in books stretch beyond time and space. I was just reading a collection of observations on Pokémon in the wild. One article addresses the question why Pokémon would go into a Poké Ball. According to this article, this behavior is based on instinct. A weakened Pokémon will curl up tight in an effort to heal itself. The Poké Ball was invented to take advantage of that protective instinct. I imagine we'll see each other again at the Pokémon League. Take care."
It turns out the translator just mistranslated "shrink" (literally the same word used as the Minimize attack) to "curl up tight", which is why nobody in the west had heard this information before despite it having been explained in the games already.

>>9845620
>the absolute state of gentooers trying desperately to be blah blah blah
Go outside you fucking faggot.

>>9854531
I remember this, too, as much as I like the shrinking idea. I'm glad they're doubled down on it.

>>9853984
>>9854534
So, wait, Pokemon have to shrink before you can capture them? I don't understand the timeframe on this. Does lowering their HP to a capturable level cause them to shrink, which the games never depict?

>>9854717
The opposite. Basically, a Pokemon have a flight or fight response when they're in injured, except their "flight" is shrinking and hiding somewhere safe while they recover. Pokeballs take advantage of this instinct by providing them a "safe" place to shrink into. Although they seemingly understand that they're being trapped and will try to break out. You have to weaken them to both trigger their instincts to shrink and to make sure they don't have the energy to escape. (although how capturing Pokemon at full HP works is anyone's guess)

The reason you can't capture a fainted Pokemon is because you weakened it to the point where it shrunk to escape. If you look carefully in the more recent games, you can see them doing it (only wild Pokemon do it).

Of course, this is only game canon. The anime had a very different interpretation of how Pokemon work.

>>9854837
Also Pokemon Eggs aren't eggs. Pokemon seemingly give live premature birth very suddenly, then "build" an egg around the fetus to protect it using materials they forage. That's why the daycare workers always go "we don't know where it came from" when they find an egg.

Pokemon strategy guide lore is some crazy shit.

>>9854837
>>9854862
I'll just disreguard those and go with pokémon shrinking and egg laying, thank you.

Did Sugi ever draw these?

Shame she doesn't look like this design

>>9854837
I've been waiting 25 years for actually interesting Pokemon "lore" and I finally got it.

>>9853984
>Double Team and Minimize are functionally the same move
>every single mon learns Double Team, but Minimize is extremely rare
FUCKing Game Freak.

>>9854893
Never seen this before. Which artbook is it from?

>>9855653
I mean in function, yes, but Double Team is meant to be that ninja technique where you make the illusion doubles.

>>9845468
>muh original japanese
so do you call bulbasaur fushigidane? is prof oak called dr ohkido according to you?

>>9855675
Are you following the quote chain? The point is that the lore says that every monster should be able to Minimize.

>>9855680
>so do you call bulbasaur fushigidane?
yes

>is prof oak called dr ohkido according to you?
either way its fine since it's an unambiguously direct translation

>>9845459
>>9845904
I think theres a bit of merit to being a genwunner since Sugamori's fantastic designs are the reason Pokemon took off like it did in the first place.

Like theyre not ALL hitters but the gen 1 designs are on average still the best, and by far the highest number of marketable pokemon merchwise come from genwun. Pikachu, Eevee, Snorlax and Gengar consistently have more merch than the entirety of most other gens pokedex.

>>9856154
>implying Charizard isn't Red's signature Pokemon
>implying the player picked Bulbasaur

>>9856170
only in the manga which he wasnt involved with

>>9856183
he drew all sorts of stuff

>>9856190
but went back and forth

>>9856128
the things that have been around the longest and have the most nostalgia, have the most merch. Amazing

>>9855668
Found it on Twitter

>>9853268
uhhh? the fucking adventures manga?

canonical is a v loose word with the franchise though, they have confirmed multiple timelines/ alternative timelines etc

its not like zelda there is not meaningful connection other than interesting characters in interesting situations (giovanni saving the protagonist from lance, misty crying and confiding in red, blue being mischievous, blaine and mewtwo, etc) some of it is losely reference in anime [origins, and the legend of thunder]

>>9856170
wrong. completely wrong
https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Red_(Adventures)
in game the protag has a complete pokedex
so does krystal from crystal version which canonically makes her one of the most powerful trainers

>>9856169
Couldn't help it.

>>9856154
What a great illustration. I keep finding new Sugimori works I've never seen before.

>>9856992
it's not sugimori's, that's from the manga

>>9856154
I thought pidge-whatever was a giant head/face, with that tuft or ruffle of feathers being a wry grin.

>>9857000
really? it looks exactly like Sugimori's art... how can you tell it's another artist? They're sure copying him to perfection.
Also checked.

>>9845405
Is Erika supposed to be the psychic gym leader?

>>9857283
Ghost. Something about the way her yukata is folded over is how japs traditionally clothed corpses.

>>9845438
sovl

>>9845405
Since the pokemon were design first, I wonder if the trainers were too.

>>9857315
Designed as sprites, I mean.