/vr/ - Retro Games

>>978265
because of the chance he could get laid

>>978271
/thread

>>978265
She's the only person that showed interested to him since Ellone when he was a kid.

>>978271
This OP.

This.

You're-going-to-like-me. You're-going-to-like-me. You're-going-to-like-me.

As a sorceress she turned him into his knight through this chant. Now, I'd like this to be true, although it probably isn't because the rest of FF8's story is retarded. But if this was intended, that is some fucking good writing.

>>978271
>>978290
I still don't get it, its not like even fucking her would be worth all the bother.
>>978301
That actually sort of makes sense.

>>978308
He's a character in a japanese game.

Fucking the cute girl is the ultimate goal for any male over the age of 16.

>>978319
>Over 16

Try 8.

I would of let the bitch die and smashed Quistits or selphie

>>978329
Not if it's localized in America.
>>978330
This is reasonable thinking.

>>978330
I always got the feeling that Selphie was a bit... special.

I always had a thing for Edea. She's pretty fucking smoking.

>>978363
Wasn't Selphie a legit psychopath?

>>978369
How so? Sorry, I'm a bit rusty on my FF8 trivia these days.

>>978378
I don't know really. I just read that somewhere. She was always a bit kooky, even moreso compared to the other bubbly FF girls.

>Walking down street the other day
>guys in car drive passed
>One shouts "BOOYAKA" out the window at me

Must be a lingo he's trying to spread.

Because shitty hamfisted storywriting

>>978265
Because the plot says so.

>>978369
Selphie suffered from chronic depression because all of her friends were dead. Her bubbly exterior is an act to hide the pain.

Someone can post the image of the optional scene at the graveyard near Trabia.
The graveyard with a Draw point for Zombie.

>>978265
Quistis was hitting on him and he turned her down, maybe because he was afraid of himself.

Rinoa was a lot more pushy than Quistis. Even if/when squall was about to turn her down too, she pushed herself on him until he could not let go of her.

>>978286
>She's the only person that showed interested to him since Ellone when he was a kid.
Except Quistis throwing herself at him once every five minutes.

>>978567
>Turning down Quistis

Imagine the dirty things she'd do with that whip.

im pretty sure squall was a faggot in real life though.

>>978915
Never google "Squall Seifer"

The real question is: why are there no black people in FF8?

>>978643

>you will never be masterfully whipped and disciplined by shy quistis
>you will never counter her whip attacks and sexily bind her with her own weapon, leaving clothes on to accentuate puffy, juicy vulva
>you will never have a relaxed romantic date where both of you are shy the entire time but eventually hold hands during a walk around the Garden.

>>979056
>puffy, ,juicy vulva

>>979063

Shamefully juicy.

>>978978
Fuck you, don't post that kind of advices...

>>979056

>>978369
At one point she suggests killing a Moomba and wearing it's skin as a disguise, so yes. Yes she is.

>>979056
goddammit, I never asked for these feels

I was 12 when I first played FF8. It was my first FF and even my first "real" RPG (the only other PRG i had playe was Pokémon).

Selphie was my first waifu. I knew the perfect timing when to pause the game in battle to see her panties... and then I would fap.
She influenced my taste in girls for years.

He just wantted to steal her from Seifer while he was under the sorceress' command, because Squall is a petit piece of shit.

>>978330
>would of
you can't be more retarded

>>979279

Look, I'm not one to normally complain about breast size but Quistis does not have such small breasts, otherwise a fine picture

>>979950

I think you're my long lost brother. No joke.

>>979950
Selphie was great (sexually) but I think Garnet had more of an impression on me. I'm still an ass man.

>>979950
posts and pics like this make me wonder how i was so oblivious to all these blatent pandering shots and shit well into my late teens. I must be a fucking alien or something.

>>978301
>because the rest of FF8's story is retarded

The story isn't retarded. You're retarded for not getting it.

>>980717
A girl in my school looked identical to Garnet (except, you know with a normal human sized head). It was weird.

>>980761
Did you fuck her?

>>978978
i googled "sora riku" once because i thought kairi was the name of the silver haired guy

>>980791
Yes, and her resemblance to Garnet did actually pop into my head during. I nearly laughed but knew that would be a death sentence, managed to hold it together.

>>978301
The problem with this theory is Rinoa didn't become a sorceress until the part where she goes into a coma. Her receiving sorceress powers is WHY she went into a coma.

Rinoa was a spoiled, bitchy, rich girl with daddy issues. Some guys like that, even if you don't. Squall is one of the guys who likes that. It's just that simple.

>>980835
>The problem with this theory is Rinoa didn't become a sorceress until the part where she goes into a coma. Her receiving sorceress powers is WHY she went into a coma.

She was always a Sorceress, you have to be one to take on other's powers. She just either didn't know it or intentionally supressed it (the world was just out of global war vs. a Sorceress version of Hitler after all, people were very anti-Sorceress).

>>980835
>The problem with this theory is Rinoa didn't become a sorceress until the part where she goes into a coma. Her receiving sorceress powers is WHY she went into a coma.

Except that it is said in the game that only Sorceresses can recieve other sorceresses powers, meaning that she was indeed a sorceress to begin with.

However nothing hints at the fact that she knew that she was a sorceress, even less the fact that she'd have the power to make Squall fall in love with her or that such a power can even exist, hence why the theory that she would use her "powers" on purpose on Squall is ridiculous.

However the game hints at something else: Sorceresses always have a knight. Seifer got attracted to Edea because it was his fate to become her Knight, although some might argue that Ultimecia used a spell on him (the speech that she gives to him during the TV tower sequence in Timber, disk1).
Later on Rinoa says that Squall is her knight.

So rather than her FORCING her love on him; I would rather say that it's simply fate between them, he started by becoming his knight, there is an attraction that can't be helped betweens knights and sorceress; and i'm sure that first attraction helped the birth of a love story.

>>980869
>hence why the theory that she would use her "powers" on purpose on Squall is ridiculous.

In theory she could have done it accidentally, people with powers who don't realise it accidentally doing shit is a common enough trope. Not that I believe that theory, I'm just saying.

>>980841
>>980869
Where in the game does it say you have to be a sorceress to take sorceress powers? I've played the game multiple times and never saw that. But I do remember Rinoa specifically saying after she wakes up that she "became a sorceress" when Edea passed her powers to her at the end of disk 2. And Edea was no longer considered a sorceress after she passed her powers on.

Also, if it's the case that only sorceress can take other sorceress's powers, how exactly does one become a sorceress. Rinoa's mother was never hinted to be a sorceress.

>>980893
Sorceresses can only pass their powers onto other Sorceresses, not just any woman. Until you receive the powers I think you are "dormant" or something, just having the potential but nothing to actually use yet.

The reason certain women are Sorceresses and others aren't isn't explained, just that Great Hyne makes them.

>>980893
>Where in the game does it say you have to be a sorceress to take sorceress powers?

IIRC it's at least mentionned during the non-mandatory dialogues you can have with Edea at the start of Disk3 once she becomes normal again.

>And Edea was no longer considered a sorceress after she passed her powers on.

Oh yes she was, which is why she wanted to be "jailed" just like Adel because Ultimecia could take control of her body again at any moment, but Cid Squall & Zell wouldn't allow that saying that they'd "take care of it" if Ultimecia did it again on her.

>Also, if it's the case that only sorceress can take other sorceress's powers, how exactly does one become a sorceress. Rinoa's mother was never hinted to be a sorceress.

It's random. Something in the genes, nobody can know, some kind of small part of Hyne (God, creator of the universe) being part in the human gene. You could live your entire life with "sorceress potential" and never know it, hence why Edea decided to accept Ultimecia's powers in the past so that they wouldn't go in other children.

>>980903
Yes, that's pretty much what was said in the other post, but I was asking if you can point to anywhere in the game that says that, or is it something that someone just pulled out of their ass to explain the "Rinoa cast a spell on Squall" theory.

>>980912
>>And Edea was no longer considered a sorceress after she passed her powers on.

Edea never passed her powers on, Ultimecia just transferred from Edea to Rinoa.

>>980920
After you beat Ultimecia, Edea accepts her powers at the orphanage in the past and says something to the effect of There's no one else who can take them, she'll never be able to rest unless I do.

>>980912
>IIRC it's at least mentionned during the non-mandatory dialogues you can have with Edea at the start of Disk3 once she becomes normal again.

I did talk to Edea on disk 3, but I don't remember seeing that mentioned. It was a few months ago though. I'll eventually play the game again so I'll try to remember to look for that next time around.

>>980928
She also says that she accepted the powers because she feared for the children or because she wanted to protect them, something among those lines

(whether that's said when you talk to her at the orphanage in disk3 or during the end, I can't remember)

>>980939
Exactly, she knows (or thinks) she won't go Full Adel with them, whereas some other sorceress might.

>>980751
>>980841
Theres nothing to 'get' or any subtleties in the plot, the story was blatently slopped together as they went along,. the people who think up all this 'Rinoa is ultimecia' crap are like those people who see jesus on toast and think god is talking to them, seeing that arent there and making shit up to reffirm it to themselves.

now i need a new fedora to replace the one my euphoria overlod just shredded.

>>980946
Did you know everything that happened is Cid's fault?

>Theres nothing to 'get'
Wrong.

>or any subtleties in the plot,
That's an accident. They tried to be subtle, but ended up being too subtle and just leaving important stuff out.

for clearer facts and info :

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sorceress_%28Final_Fantasy_VIII%29

check the sections "Becoming a sorceress", also below "knights"

tl;dr : we do not KNOW whether Rinoa actually was a "sorceress" to begin with or if she was just a suitable body; even her limit break during which you can see her wings is no proof because IIRC you can only learn it AFTER she recieves Ultimecia's powers

>>980951
>Did you know everything that happened is Cid's fault?

>Ultimecia dies
>she goes back in the past and Edea takes her powers
>Edea decides to create Gardens and SeeD in order to kill Sorceresses because she knows deep inside her there are sorceresses which can do bad things.
>a decade passes
>seeds kill Ultimecia
>repeat

How exactly is everything Cid's fault? The game is just a "funny" timeloop during which you can't change anything, hence why the notion of "fate" is so important in the game (and in its music).

Cid's role is merely to help Edea create Gardens and SeeDs. How is "everything" is fault? If anything, in FF8 it's nobody's fault, it's just a stupid fate. Even Ultimecia has never proven to be evil, mean, or bad (unlike vilains such as in FF7,8,9). She just wants to protect herself becomes she knows history and knows that long ago SeeDs came to the future to kill her.
Both sides want to protect themselves because the other side wants to kill them.

At the end of Disk1 (when they're preparing to attack Edea in Deiling) even Squall says there is no bad guys in general in life, that generally it's just 2 sides fighting for their own survival...Bitter irony...

>>980976
I mean such as vilain in FF6, 7 or 9

>>980976
>Even Ultimecia has never proven to be evil, mean, or bad (unlike vilains such as in FF7,8,9).

She wanted to to "Kompress" all of time and space so that she would literally be the only being who ever existed or would exist.

And since were talking about subtlety and depth in the game, she's basically a living embodiment of Squall's desire to be alone at the start of the game. Squall overcomes his desire for solitude, and that's what enables him to stop her and find his way home in the ending.

>>981002
>She wanted to to "Kompress" all of time and space so that she would literally be the only being who ever existed or would exist.

Yes, because she had to know that Squall was coming. History can't be changed so she tried to find the best solution to overcome that : to control the entire universe. She thought it was her only chance of survival, and ironically, it's what caused NOT ONLY her death, but also the crappy situation her life has been because that's also what creates the timeloop!

>And since were talking about subtlety and depth in the game, she's basically a living embodiment of Squall's desire to be alone at the start of the game. Squall overcomes his desire for solitude, and that's what enables him to stop her and find his way home in the ending.

Never thought of that.

>>980951
>Wrong.
wonderfully effective arguement you have there, have anything to back it up that isnt an artifact of your paredolia?
>They tried to be subtle, but ended up being too subtle and just leaving important stuff out

given how hamfisted most the plot was, especially the 'we were all at the same orphanage and just forgot LOL' and the '''''love story''''' long with japanese stuff in general i really get how you can be soo deluded to think they were being subtle, let alone too subtle.
dont ascribe genius to that which is better explained by incompetance, and 'just leaving important stuff out' is a blazing neon sign of incompetance.

just because you can make shit up to garble together your own headcanon and not be contradicted doesnt mean something has depth or is well written, otherwise trash like twilight would have to be awarded a nobel prize for literature.

>>981002
Dude, you got all that "subtle metaphor" from the atrocious plot of this game?
I dropped this game because I couldnt stand how disgustlingly annoying the characters were.

>>981080
>I dropped this game because I couldnt stand how disgustlingly annoying the characters were.

Wrong choice.

>>981075
Both the "memory loss" and reasons to the love story are hinting at in a subtle way, which I can understand could be considered "too subtle" for some :
- for memory you can learn about "rumours" about using GFs doing that by reading the school's newspaper on Squall's computer in the classroom. Checking the computer if literaly the first thing you have to do gameplay wise though.
- Several times Cid says that he wishes SeeDs didn't have to use GFs but that it's the only option at the moment. Other times when he "wants to have a talk" with Squall he's interrupted by Norg's guards because they don't want that news to spread
- Squall forgets recent stuff such as the name of the pilot of the BGU even though he passed the seed test with him
- You laern throughout the game that other Gardens don't use GFs which if you put two&two together will make you wonder why and would go into the way of the rumour

For the love story:
- Squall and Rinoa can actually get really close at some point during disk2 when you make her visit the Garden as it's drifting on sea, but ONLY if you bring her with you and don't put her in the "missile base" team; and even though it's still easily skippable even by mistake. So that's definitly too subtle in the sense that it's entirely skippable
- the whole Sorceress&Knight thing

>>981080
It's not a metaphor, if you had beat the game and seen the ending you would have seen what he's talking about. He literaly escapes time kompression and is saved when he eventually decides to think about Rinoa and of the place they promessed to meet up had they ever got seperated.

>>981081
I also kinda disliked the junction system. Dont get me wrong, it was actually a decent idea, if you could just attach one single unit of x magic to y atribute and the rest of your strenght should've been provided by equipment/level.

>>981104
Sounds like you're problem is drawing magics.

Well had you played the game properly you wouldn't have needed to draw much since you can easily get tons of magic simply by turning items that randomly drops at the end of battles into magics. Or cards.

>>981095
>It's not a metaphor, if you had beat the game and seen the ending you would have seen what he's talking about. He literaly escapes time kompression and is saved when he eventually decides to think about Rinoa and of the place they promessed to meet up had they ever got seperated.


LOTS of jrpgs have those bullshit endings (INTERDIMENSIONAL BLACK VOID PLACE FIGHTING LAST BOSS, FLASHBACKS WITH "BELOVED PEOPLE/FAMILY/FRIENDS... you know). I doubt that whoever came with the writing thought something that deep.
But if you say so...

>>981104
Seems that you didn't get the hang of the card game.

Not your fault, the game doesn't tell you that, but you shouldn't be drawing except to get GFs.

>>981119
the difference is that Squall starts the game as somebody who wants to have nothing to do with other human beings, but he changes thanks to Rinoa; and thinking of her in the ending saves his life. OF COURSE the developers thought of that.

There is something about FF8 haters... for each good aspect of its story they go all "lol no the developers didn't think that". I think the reason is because of how storytelling in FF8 is, it doesn't spoonfeed you.

Well, here is why video game storytelling doesn't get more interesting... Because if it does players either don't get it or claims that there is nothing to even get.

Rinoa used to be Seifers girlfriend and they probably had sex. That would mean that unlike most Final Fantasy protagonists, Squall is getting non-virgin pussy.

There's this conversation when you're about to fight Seifer in Galbadia Garden:
Seifer: "Rinoa, what are you doing here? You're gonna fight me, too? Come on, remember a year ago we..."
Rinoa: "Stop it!"

Rinoa is embarrassed, she doesn't want Squall to know what Seifer is about to say. Could it be because she is a slut?

>>981175
>Come on, remember a year ago we..."

What was he about to say? I reckon it's "...did it up the butt."

>>981140
This remind me a lot of nirvana fanboys who insist that there is a "subtle deep metaphor" on something simple as a song about a boy who is left at his friend's grandmother house.
Oh well..

>>981186
There is a huge difference between a video game STORY in which you have to put 2 and 2 together to understand the whole thing and lyrics to a song which has no story and even the author said it didn't mean anything.

>>981175
>could it be because she's a slut?
I dunno, u tell me lol

>>981175
Worrying about non-virgins and sloppy seconds is what betas do. Squall knows Rinoa is with him because he fucks better than Seifer.

Also
>implying Tifa and Aerith were virgins.

>>981243
Tifa obviously wasn't, but I could see Aerith being a virgin.

>>981252
I haven't played Crisis Core, so I don't know how much it expands on their relationship, but wasn't Aerith Zack's girlfriend for awhile?

>>981243
We don't know if Squall is better at sex than Seifer. Squall believes Rinoa is with him because she loves him.

>>981252
There's no indication in the game that Tifa had sex with anyone other than Cloud. As for Aerith, Zack used to be her boyfriend and they could have had sex. Some say that her being a "flower girl" is an implication of prostitution, but I'm not sure I'd go that far.

>>981273
Tifa also had an ex-boyfriend, that red-headed dude named Johnny that's hanging around Midgar at the start of the game, and you meet him again later at Costa del Sol.

>>981273
>There's no indication in the game that Tifa had sex with anyone other than Cloud.

In her teenage year she dressed like a stripper and all of her friends were male.

Trust me, she wasn't a virgin.

>>981279
Was he really her ex-boyfriend? I thought he was just someone who had a crush on her.

>>981280
I hope this isn't true.

>>981292
>I hope this isn't true.

Tell me a girl who dressed like this was still a virgin at 15.

>>981302
In real life, that would be true; however, video game characters can be dressed in scanty clothing despite never having sex. It's all up to the writer. In Tifa's case, her personality contrasts her clothing; she's calm and timid despite wearing scanty clothing. Aerith has a more bold personality, while her clothing is more conservative.

>>981321
And yet people don't hesitate to call Aeris a slut for what are really rather shallow reasons...

>>981338
What are those reasons?

>>981346
She was a 'flower girl', which people assume means prostitute, and that she flirts with one guy.

All I'm saying is that everyone just automatically assumes 16 year old Rinoa is not a virgin because she spent one summer when she was 15 being Seifer's girlfriend. In real life I knew plenty of people in high school who had boyfriends or girlfriends but never advanced past holding hands and making out.

Meanwhile, 22 year old Aerith and 20 year old Tifa both have ex-boyfriends that are mentioned in the game, yet whether or not they were virgins is something that always sparks huge debates.

>>981371
Actually, strike that, I fucked up, Rinoa is 17 in the game and would've been 16 when she dated Seifer. But everything else I said still stands.

>>981357
That's what I've heard too, I don't know if flower girl being an allegory for prostitute is a Japanese thing or something, but I've not seen any conclusive evidence that she was actually a prostitute. Perhaps someone could shed light on this issue.

>>981371
>In real life I knew plenty of people in high school who had boyfriends or girlfriends but never advanced past holding hands and making out.

You a mormon?

I knew plenty of people in high school who had kids and STDs.

>>981379
I think the difference is that he's european and you're american.

>>981376
Well as far as I recall, weren't flowers kind of a rarity in Midgar? I mean isn't that why the church was so special? If so, I could see how one could sell them for a fair price.

>>981381
I'm British..

>>981382
The flowers are rare because of the Mako reactors, yes. She could sell them for a fair price; however, she tries to sell one to Cloud for just one gil. Is it because he reminded her of Zack? I have no clue.

>>978265
Riona was all kinds of hax in Dead Fantasy. Maybe that's why.

>>981572
you know a plot is terrible when the the fanfiction it spawns is better written and makes more sense.

>>981302
I fail to see the problem?

>>981685
It's only a problem when people suggest that Tifa wasn't a slut in her youth.

>>981371
You take a girl who's 16 and in love with an older guy (even a year makes a huge difference to teenage girls) who has big plans for the world (SeeD, helping Timber's independence) and of course she's gonna fuck him. Teenage girls in love are batshit insane and willing to do anything to keep a guy around.

>>981338
There's much more evidence for it. One, "flower girl" is a well-known euphemism for prostitute, and two, her personality fits much better than Tifa. She's openly flirts with multiple characters in the game (most notably when she scams Cloud of payment for his bodyguard services by promising him a date).

She knows she's an attractive female and uses it to her advantage. Tifa, on the other hand, only really does this with Don Corneo, and she's incredibly hesitant even then.

>>981935
So Tifa was a tranny who hated her incredible body?

That's explain the martial arts.

>>978501
Selphie was actually one of the more realist characters of FFVIII, we all have that one person at school who wants to be friends with everyone, always smiling, working for the school council, doing the school newspaper, school fest, school-whatever-you-name-it.

>>979889
>machine gun next to the tombstone
FFVIII had so much potential in the "military" presentation. I've rarely seen a war battle as epic as the Garden's battle.

>>979950
>Selphie's panties
Okay, I didn't play the game enough.
Though Selphie is really the kind of waifu anyone would want, she feels "alive" when Linoa just felt "I'm taking you in for a plot ride". I loved the game in all aspects, but I can recognize that Linoa was clearly "blank" to Selphie's "full".

>>980869
I don't buy the "she coerced him into becoming his knight" thing.

To most people, Squall and Linoa's romance feels "shoehorned" because they didn't spent "that much time together" but in real life, sometimes love happens "just like that"

Like everybody said: Linoa is a spoiled rich kid and suddenly, she sees a shy guy alone at this party: "That does it, life's a party and I'm the cake, I'm gonna make him comfortable so he'll enjoy the party". She thinks nothing of it, it's just a dance, but she had fun and two days later, the same guy is coming to help her. She flirts a bit with him and then they go on an adventure together. He doesn't talk much, but he always knows what he's doing, what to do,... "Why doesn't he talk more? I would like to know him, his story, what he thinks,... Plus he saved his school and is gonna help fight against the bad guys and...Selphie sees I want to get close to him and is trying to get us together...that's too fast Selphie! But still, he's pretty, I want to get close to him, I want him to open to me... Will he?"

Perfectly realist.

>>983268
>I don't buy the "she coerced him into becoming his knight" thing.

That's not what I mean. I mean that the Knight/Sorceress bond they have is a natural bond simply created by fate, it can't be helped and nobody forced anybody to do it.

>>981175
Oh wow, didn't remember that.

>>981180
A french parody plays with this:
_Seifer! How can you be a bad guy? After all we did together...
_Come on girl, you didn't even want to try anal...
_Seifer!!!

>>981265
She was his "japanese girlfriend" by which I mean they barely held hands. But yes, they loved each other.

>>981280
>dressed like a slut
>had sex
"Today in gaming: Rape Culture is rampant within 4chan's /vr/"


>>981243
>Worrying about non-virgins and sloppy seconds is what betas do.
This.
It's also what 4channers do. Seriously, what do we need to know who was a virgin? Does it even contribute to the story if Tifa, Aeris, Linoa, Terra and Celes were virgin before the game's beginning? I used to care about such things when I was 15 but today, aren't we all adults? Plus, do we even ask the same question about Linoa's mother (did she bang Laguna?) or Zell (I'm pretty sure the guy ate massive pussy) for that matter? Seriously, what's wrong with us?

>>981338
>"she's a slut, let her breed with the dog"

>>981935
>One, "flower girl" is a well-known euphemism for prostitute

No it's not. It is an 18th century British euphemism.

>>981384
Brits are Inbred Islanders not Europeans

>>981379
>I knew plenty of people in high school who had kids and STDs.
This is fucking stupid.

Just because "I know people who were preggers by 15" doesn't mean everyone who didn't have sex by 16 was a mormon.

It's more of a "some did, some didn't". Now we don't know in what category Linoa falls, but seriously, what does it change to the story that she had sex before Squall?

>>981935
>"flower girl" is a well-known euphemism for prostitute

The only time I ever see flower girl used as a synonym for prostitute is in Final Fantasy VII threads. If I do a web search for "flower girl" + "prostitute," all I can find is Final Fantasy VII discussions. The term "flower girl" for prostitute DOES NOT EXIST outside the minds of butthurt Tifa fans. When are people gonna stop spreading this stupid myth?

What the fuck

Fuck you

When did /v/ and /jp/ come to /vr/? I thought this was a board for over 20s.

/vr/ is finished. We had a decent run.

Also ban this tripfaggot Sevenleaf

>>983280
>Plus, do we even ask the same question about Linoa's mother (did she bang Laguna?)

I did ask myself this.
It's important because it could mean that Laguna could be R/Linoa's father (we learn that Julia got pregnant very soon afterh she got with Caraway, meaning that she could very well have got pregnant because of Laguna whom she spent a night with only a few days before she started hanging out with Caraway). In other words, that R/Linoa and Squall could be half-brother and sister.

They could very well have had sex because the player doesn't see everything that goes on during that night they spend together in the hotel room. There is a fade-to-black.
However when they wake up Julia says that Laguna kept talking and talking and drinking until he passed out to sleep. So it's very unlikely that they had sex, but would she really talk about the previous night drunk sex in the morning .... ?
I'm the only person I know who ever came up with that theory though, it's very unlikely, and I highly doubt the developers would have wanted us to think that. Just saying that Laguna COULD have very well been L/Rinoa's father... maybe if he wasn't called to war so abruptly.

The true developers intention are contrary to this theory though : what they intended is to show that Julia and Laguna were meant for each others but that they couldn't get together due to circunstances; and that instead, their mutual love passed on to their respective children; and eventually both families got together anyway with Squall (Laguna's son) and L/Rinoa (Julia's daughter).

>>983298

BTW - another fun fact about that whole scene : so Laguna&co are abruptly sent to war even though they didn't expect it. It is also said that Major Caraway become Major soon after those events (because it is said that he gets together with Julia soon after those events to reconfort her from never seeing Laguna again, and that during that same period he became Major).

Remember that one soldier with a red costume in the bar that's VERY jealous when he sees Laguna go with Julia in her room?

Well, in you put 2 and 2 together, you can guess that that soldier was Caraway (who wasn't general yet, as it is said) who used his connections (after all, he was ABOUT to become general) to send Laguna on war, far away from Julia, so that he can be with her and have her for himself.
It totally worked too.

So that was never SAID in the game, that's how storytelling in FF8 is, it's subtle, you have to add several pieces of informations you get at different moments to understand that; and then some people say there is nothing to "get".

>>983298
>>Plus, do we even ask the same question about Linoa's mother (did she bang Laguna?)
>I did ask myself this.
Okay, I lied, I did ask myself that too for the same reasons as you but like you say: it was pretty clear that Squall and Linoa weren't related other than the parallels you mention.

>>983304
>Remember that one soldier with a red costume in the bar that's VERY jealous when he sees Laguna go with Julia in her room?
I don't remember that. More info?

The whole "Caraway sent Laguna to die to get the girl" is a bit far-fetched and that jealous red soldier could've been anyone (if you in the army are banging Marylin Monroe, your whole squad is jealous). I'm all for theories, but this one doesn't have enough to hold true. This is the kind of "suble storytelling" that most people see as an asspull from FFVIII fans and use to compare us to tinfoil-hat conspirationnists.

Sorry, this theory would've been cool, but there's really nothing in the game relating to it.

>>983319
If you talk to the soldier when you enter the bar he says that he comes every day to see Julia play.

Then everybody (including the soldiers) listen to their converstation when Laguna and Julia talk sat at a table (which is why Julia wants to go in her room), which means that they care.

After Julia invites you to her room if you talk to the soldier again he is completely mad and jealous.

Then, it is also said that them being sent to war came completely out of nowhere.
As it is said that Caraway got close to Julia to reconfort her from Laguna being away (Raine talks about that at the start of Disk2).
Then if you talk to Caraway in his mansion in
Disk 3 you can learn that he became general quickly after those times, just as he got together with Julia, meaning that he wasn't general YET at the time of that scene (and that she got pregnant very quickly after they met but that's another thing).

I wish I had all those dialogues written and read-able somewhere for actual facts and lines. Maybe there is even more to it. (I should replay FF8 to solidy this theory)

To me, it feels like it's the developers intents that that soldier was Caraway and that he made them go to war so he could get close to Julia.

>>983298

I speak Japanese. I am a Japanese to English translator. Stop doing that L/R bullshit, it's really fucking stupid

>>983358
The reason we did that is because we're both french and Rinoa is called Linoa in French.

Linoa sounds much more feminine than Rinoa too (and it's the only good thing in the French translation, the rest is bullshit and it even has some mis translations)

>>983361

Oh, I was not aware of that. Please forgive me.

>>983361
>we're both french
mfw when someone on 4chan guesses correctly what country I'm from. Now I'm gonna offer you a beer to discuss FFVIII's scenario!

>>983373
I never refuse free alcohol. I live in Tours. I'm waiting.

>>983328
I think this goes too far.
I mean, would you send a fellow soldier back to the front just because he banged Katy Perry? Okay, I would, but damn these boobs! Something similar happened in "And Then There Were None" but this time, the General sent his wife's lover so he had reason to fight for that woman. Now, would you fight another man just for the attention of a "star" (the guy seems to listen to her every night but not to know her as a person or to even have ever talked to her)?

Also, before that point, Julia and Laguna had had no real interaction and Laguna & co were already sent to war, so when he got her attention/affection he had already been sent by higher instances (maybe I'm wrong on this one, correct me in case).

Maybe there is something in the game implying that Laguna was sent on his suicide mission by Caraway, but linking it to that jealous soldier does come out of nowhere.

Was I supposed to relate to Squall so goddamn much, or am I just gigantic faggot?
The only difference between him and me is that I don't know what the fuck I'm doing most of the time, and there's no girl trying to save me from myself. Though the latter thing is basically an insane fantasy people have that needs to be stopped being put into stories.

Was Squalls personality normal for people his age?
Because I've been like him since I was 17.

>>983376
Coming that far, I hope you're a gurrrrl and as pretty as Selphie/Linoa/Quistis :3

>>983385
>Also, before that point, Julia and Laguna had had no real interaction and Laguna & co were already sent to war, so when he got her attention/affection he had already been sent by higher instances (maybe I'm wrong on this one, correct me in case).

There is nothing telling they were sent to that war before that, and it's not like soldiers were going back&forth from war front to the capital city during a war

>Maybe there is something in the game implying that Laguna was sent on his suicide mission by Caraway, but linking it to that jealous soldier does come out of nowhere.

i'd need to replay the game to refresh my memories.

>>983389
sorry to disappoint...

>>983369
you'll be forgiven if you translate and give subtitles to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8uRQOnYnqg&feature=player_detailpage&t=1768

>>983386
I think Squall's personality is alright but the circumstances around him aren't.

He's most likely the class head: a great student, teachers know him personally, the headmaster hands him the key,... But yeah, he's a loner and doesn't like interacting with people. He's just doing things to "do something", if not for the BGU, he would mostly be a hacker or a pro Starcraft player. Not in the sense "basement-dweller" but in the sense "dedicated to something and not caring about people around and the bullshit they may bring to my perfectly stable life".

Where it goes wrong is that Squall DOES have friends: Seifer, Quistis and Zell are his friends at the beginning of the game, they come to him, talk to him,... Most of the time when you're the "I don't want people around me" type, people don't come to you. Some people will come for three days and then give up on your "lost cause". Some people may break your shell, but if they do, they'll have accepted your rules of "don't break my peace", yet Quistis and Zell (then Selphie and Linoa) are too "hot-headed" and trying to shoehorn him in situations where he doesn't want to be (school festival, students make-up scene, etc...).

Which may actually go towards another view: Squall is putting up a shell and hiding himself because he got hurt when people he cared about (Ellone, his friends at the orphanage,...) left but he WANTS to be close to people, so he tolerates their presence and tries to keep his act.

>>983402
>Which may actually go towards another view: Squall is putting up a shell and hiding himself because he got hurt when people he cared about (Ellone, his friends at the orphanage,...) left but he WANTS to be close to people, so he tolerates their presence and tries to keep his act.

I think that deep inside he wants to try to be their friends, but he still acts like an asshole not to get too close; like this, if things go wrong like they did in the past with Ellone, he won't feel too bad.

>>983402
>great student, teachers know him personally, the headmaster hands him the key
>he would mostly be a hacker or a pro Starcraft player. Not in the sense "basement-dweller" but in the sense "dedicated to something and not caring about people around and the bullshit they may bring to my perfectly stable life".
>Where it goes wrong is that Squall DOES have friends: Seifer, Quistis and Zell are his friends at the beginning of the game, they come to him, talk to him

Okay, maybe not.

I'm not like Squall at all I guess.

>>983396
>There is nothing telling they were sent to that war before that, and it's not like soldiers were going back&forth from war front to the capital city during a war
This part was REALLY lacking information in the game. AFAIR, the first flashback was in wartime.

The site rinoa DOT nu SLASH rinoa SLASH family DOT php seems to go with the theory that Caraway sent Laguna to death, but I don't see any "credible" sources.

>>983406
Don't be so hard with yourself, for the whole "best in class", it's pure supposition but it seems to be supported in-game.

As for playing the "I don't say anything so people will guess I have the most interesting stuff to say and come to me by themselves" hardly works in real life.

>>983416
I remember now, Caraway clearly states that HE sent Laguna to war if you talk to him during disk3. He doesn't say he had a reason to though.

The site says
>[Julia] was completely unaware that Major Caraway of the Galbadian Army was jealous of Laguna, as he too was another admirer. Upon seeing her interest in Laguna, the Major immediately had specific orders issued for Laguna to be sent off to war

which goes with my theory, but he doesn't back it up with any in game fact.

>>983416
>As for playing the "I don't say anything so people will guess I have the most interesting stuff to say and come to me by themselves" hardly works in real life.
Do people actually do this?
My intention was always to not say stuff so that people would just generally ignore me.

I mean, if I ever met anyone that I saw was worth being around I would say something, but most people don't want anything to do with me, and I've only met a few people worth being around.
It's pretty dumb to just shut EVERYONE out completely, but you also can't just let people have a clear shot at your jugular without slowly testing them and seeing if you can trust them.

I don't know. I geuss I'm just as fucked up as Squall but for different reasons.

But damn, I did relate to a lot of the things Squall went through, and parts of his personality.

>>983404
Since we talked about "subtle storytelling", there is a thing I just remembered: Squall is Laguna's son. And yet, it's not cannon: nowhere in the game is it said "Laguna is Squall's father". However, it is implied throughout the whole game with a truckload of arguments (like Laguna holding Squall's Triple Triad card).

Now that is subtle storytelling ;à

>>983434
Well derp, maybe the games does NOT say that Squall is Laguna's son; but it DOES say that Raine is Squall's mother.

Or rather, Kyros says to Squall
>you look a lot like your mother

that's the biggest "clue", and not as much as as a clue as it is a complete giveaway. There are plenty other "clues" though

>>983432
>Do people actually do this?
Yup. Some people genuinely think "I'm the best guy ever, so I should get mad pussy because all girls should come talk to me". And some girl told me "People who never speak clearly have the most interesting things to say" last week, at which point I told her she was full of bullshit and this only happened in movies.

Depending on your age, it was easy to relate to Squall (though now that I'm 25, I just see a spoiled kid who should just open up more).

>>983429
>I remember now, Caraway clearly states that HE sent Laguna to war if you talk to him during disk3. He doesn't say he had a reason to though.
Damn, I want that line now but I'm not up for playing another RPG again (still not finished with Xenogears...).

This whole thing is moot. Since Squall dies at the end of Disk 1 and the entire rest of the game is just his life flashing before his eyes the way he wants it to happen.

>>983441
Whatever.

>>983439
Exactly :)
It was mostly a thread-general thing to remind people that FFVIII's storytelling do is subtle.

Sure, it could've been shown or outright said and all...but what could it have brought? A tearful reunion scene? Choosing to imply the link between acknowledging it was stronger IMHO.

>>983458
it also adds replay value because you can easily miss tons of dialogues with subtle things; or if you re-read them on a second playthrough once you've already beat the game they make more sense

Now I know everything there is to know about FF8, but during at least 8 to 10 playthroughs, each time I would learn new things either gameplay wise or regarding the story.

The last thing I found was that fisherman sidequest in HoriZon. I had no idea it even existed.

>>983464
>The last thing I found was that fisherman sidequest in HoriZon. I had no idea it even existed.
Me neither. Nice to discover after all these years (like the previously-forgotten FFIX Nero Family sidequest that was "unearthed" some time ago).

>>983441

A fun theory but I have trouble believing it. It really all comes down to "Squall realized he doesn't have a gaping hole in his chest, he must be dead"

>>983508
http://squallsdead.com/
Here are all the points that are wrong in the theory :

- Edea's attack did go through his chest but through his shoulder. Hence why he survived.
- The theory also wonders why Edea would want to kill him to then revive him, well that's the point, she never wanted to kill him. Then it wonders why they would interogate Squall first: well Seifer CLEARLY states why he interogates Squall firsts in the game.
- He uses Moombas and Shumis as the proof that what's going on is a dream. Well fuck you, final fantasy was always about mixing more or less realistic stuff and weird races, hence FANTASY. And although I'm pretty sure that Moombas are mentionned in disk1, maybe even Shumis.
- He also uses the fact that "fate" is so important as to why the story is "dreamlike". Not only that's farfetched, but the reason why fate is so important is because the actual story of FF8 is a timeloop from which you can't exit, all the events we're doing in the game have been done before and ARE the reasons why we're doing them. Hence, fate, things can't be helped.
- Then he starts to imply that Rinoa isn't interested in Squall in disk1, then why would she force him to dance with her or tell him to love him? Also the reason why she leaves Squall so abruptly from the dance is because she was here for a job-related reason : to talk to Cid, not because she doesn't like Squall
also
>The relationship Rinoa and Seifer had is never again mentioned, except by Seifer in the form of taunts during battle.
That's false.
- and finally his whole theory of the ending... that's just ridiculous. The ending is explained in game by two things, 1) Dr Odine explains time krompession. They're stuck in it. 2) at the end of disk3 Rinoa and Squall promessed that if they ever got lost they'd meet up in that field, which is what happens in the ending

In other words that theory is based on FALSE facts, misinformation, disregarding actual and important in game facts and dialogues

>>983530
there is literaly not a SINGLE thing that makes sense or would hold up in that theory

>>981935
>"flower girl" is a well-known euphemism for prostitute

I wish people would stop saying this. Where and when was "flower girl" ever used as slang for prostitute? Fucking nowhere

>people think Squall isn't dead

EVERYTHING in the story supports that everything after the ice staking scene is just a feverish dream before he dies.

>muh fantasy creatures
>muh evil super sorceress enemy
>muh hero destiny
>muh tragic story element
>muh winning against the odds (lol space scene)
>muh hero gets the girl
>muh we're all friends from the same orphanage

>>980869
>However nothing hints at the fact that she knew that she was a sorceress
She probably didn't, what with the GFs wiping everyone's memories and all.

> even less the fact that she'd have the power to make Squall fall in love with her or that such a power can even exist

Edea controls Seifer is such a way. iirc she even tells Rinoa that every sorceress needs a knight.

>hence why the theory that she would use her "powers" on purpose on Squall is ridiculous.

Its really not.

>>983624
But that would mean the game makes sense.

>>983747
You contradict yourself. You forgot that that theory is based a lot on what she tells Squall before the dance in Disk1, before she could know she had "sorceress potential"

Also, Squall starts to get REALLY attracted to Rinoa during disk2 when they spend a lot of time together when the BGU is drifting away on sea; before Edea talks to about knights. Arguably Squall was already attracted to her in Disk1, according to Quistis at least, because Quistis says it's not like him to dance with a perfect stranger girl.

>>981117
>>981124
>them broken workarounds to a broken system

Naw, Square fucked up designing this festering turd.

>>983776
it's not a workaround when the game's tutorial explicitly tells you to do so

An external force coming and pulling one out of their shell or giving them fulfilling emotional and existential contact is a normal human desire. Considering Squall's upbringing and personality there could be no better chemistry.

>>983784

My point stands.

>>980761
I'm so fucking jelly, dude. High school me would've killed for that.

>>983434
>yfw the Shumi Village sidequest offers a possible explanation as to why everyone likes and looks up to Squall even though he's "an unfriendly, introverted guy"

>>986115
Good point; and another point that goes against the squallisdead theory.

>>986115
Couldn't find any video of it, anybody got one? (Or a nice description)

>>986186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrZTIUD5cl0

>>986228
Found that video too but CBA to watch 50 minutes of it. Tried to look for the interesting part towards the end but couldn't find it. Where should I go exactly?

>>986571
It's at around 9 minutes, when the party goes to talk to the elder about the statue.

>>986625
anonymous delivers!

>>986228
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrZTIUD5cl0
>"Laguna flashback"
>two minutes of talking about Laguna
>never see Laguna
Okay, what?
I was expecting a full scene with him, not a Xenogears-rendition of the scene. That's not a flashback.

>>981119
>Common endgame
>No deeper thought
>Not meaning leaving solitude and death/vanish to be with friends/famuly?
>not meaning actively embracing life etc?
Ok it's been some years i played it, but wasn't it like that 'nowhere'-scene had like only one or two dozen text boxes, and every single one was like "squall you have to wake up and walk actively to your fond memories with friends/love!"?
I thoght it was quite explicit.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think you lie with another man

>>983284
>>983280
>Linoa

if you're going to imply a name is mistranslated don't stop half way, and dont expect people to go along with Leene either.

>>981265
They only have one meet up where the spent most of the time apart and zack runs around doing a sidemission. At the end of the meet up, the exchange briefly a few words and say the should go on a date sometime.
It never happens because gackt
>zack's totally her boyfriend

>>983396
>There is nothing telling they were sent to that war before that, and it's not like soldiers were going back&forth from war front to the capital city during a war

except that was exactly what the did to get to the capital city in that instance. commandeering that APC in the forest (you know the one they park in the middle of the city road) while escaping battle with Timber. its the exact same flashback.

>>986676
See >>983361

>>986754
Hm no, you're misunderstanding. Those are two different things. The war which Laguna Kiros and Ward are abruplty sent to is the war against Esthar.

>>978265


Because she's the mandatory love interest.

To hell with that hot slut teacher who uses a whip and would have fucked his brains out right there in the danger room

>>978308

>I still don't get it, its not like even fucking her would be worth all the bother.

I agree, you really don't get it.

He's a teenage boy, she's a teenage girl. Fucking her is pretty much the greatest thing he could do at that point in his life.

>>983280

Their relationship is completely reliant on the idea behind predetermined fate. Squalls dad (Laguna) and Rinoa's mom (Julia) wanted to be together but couldn't, so the plot demanded Squall and Rinoa be together.

>>981321
>In real life, that would be true; however, video game characters can be dressed in scanty clothing despite never having sex.
Holy shit, are you for real?

>>983624

theres always the fact that its a final fantasy game.

>>987096
What's wrong with that statement?

>>986660
Where did you read that it was a flashback?

>>978265
whatever?

>>983441

You can say this about literally any story. "X didn't really happen because the main character died of a brain aneurism .01 seconds into the story and the rest is just his imagination"

>>987169
Okay, maybe I read "Laguna secret scene" everywhere and my mind assumed "Laguna secret flashback", or I really read "flashback" everywhere, we'll never know.

Either way, that didn't seem like "secret" information. I hadn't seen the scene myself but knew beforehand about everything that was told in it.

>>987236
>pokemon
>Ash died even before the first episode