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>>9831258
1 through 5 are great. Especially 1 & 2, the Pixel Remaster makes FF2 look, sound(especially), and play good. 6 is a miss, the few upgrades like the higher resolution backgrounds don't make up for the actual visual downgrades and audio sidegrades. FF6 on a CRT just looks BETTER than FF6 Pixel Remaster, especially when you look at things like torches and spell effects.

>>9831258
sovlless

The biggest complaints I've seen about the original FF1 on NES are that the spells don't work and that attacks still target dead enemies mid-turn.
Are these complaints overblown or would I actually be better off playing for the first time on one of the other ports or this new remaster?

>>9831471
I prefer mid-turn dead target attacks because it adds planning and strategy. Only a couple spells don't work and it's fine. The remaster is a fairly authentic experience all things considered, but the remakes are rather drastic, like dropping spell levels for MP. I vouch for the original or the pixel remaster.

>>9831258
>mixels
This NEVER EVER LOOKS GOOD.

>>9831471
Don't listen to >>9831490, play FF1 through Origins on the PS1. It's literally the NES game but if the bugs were fixed. Way more faithful than the pixel remaster besides the visuals.

>>9831258
Just a cash grab. I'd rather emulate for free, it's kinda silly to rerelease games over and over for a quick buck when nothing new is even worth looking at. Just let the company die.

>>9831258
didn't they shit out some HD """remasters""" of the terrible phone ports a few years ago? remasters of remasters of remasters ffs lol

>>9831471
they are vastly overblown by idiots
targeting dead enemies is effectively a crude puzzle mechanic whose main effect is to make the game slightly less mindless than it would otherwise be
bugs are unfortunate but a person who plays the game fully blind - i.e., without any exposure to angry Internet loudmouths' complaints about it - is 99.9999% guaranteed not to even notice a single one of them

>>9831510
if you really want to play the original game but without bugs then surely you'd do better to just apply some romhack to fix the bugs
but yeah maybe Origins is good too I dunno

>>9831258
dude look at that screenshot, you already know the answer if you have a functioning mind

>>9831258
Better than expected.

>>9831258
FFIII is the only remotely-worthwhile one due to having the fewest alternate options to pick from.

>>9831258
>all that dead space
>sprites look less detailed and much worse than the original

>>9831565
Basically this.

They are legitimate trash. So many good options on emu and people will settle for this kind of garbage. Boggles my mind.

The verdict is guilty.

It's a decent collection. Let's not go crazy here. It's far from perfect but it's definitely plenty good enough for 95% of people, especially if you just want to make your way through the series without having any nostalgia for the original releases.
In my opinion, the biggest problem with the Pixel Remasters is that, as you might imagine from 2023 Square Enix, is that most subsequent releases of 1-6 added additional content or gameplay mechanics. The Pixel Remasters are just remasters of the original releases, so any added content is gone. Which is a shame because I think SE really missed an opportunity to make "definitive" versions of these games once and for all, since they're basically going sell these as evergreen titles for the next 30 years. But unfortunately the debate over which versions of each game to play will rage on from now until the end of time.

Anyway I'm no FF expert but for me my recommendations for someone who is looking for the best, most complete, but still "authentic" (i.e. not the remakes that changed a bunch of stuff) experiences would look like this:
Final Fantasy 1: Dawn of Souls for the GBA
Final Fantasy 2: Dawn of Souls for the GBA or Pixel Remaster
Final Fantasy 3: Pixel Remaster
Final Fantasy 4: PSP
Final Fantasy 5: GBA or Pixel Remaster
Final Fantasy 6: Man, what a bear trap. There is no consumer-ready perfect version of this game. The best version of this that I know of the SNES version with the Woolsey patch. If you just want something turnkey, the GBA version is the next step down. Then the Pixel Remaster. Then the original SNES/PS1 version.

That's just one man's opinion, don't bite my head off. Like I said I think it's an alright collection, worth having if you like Final Fantasy. But it's such a missed opportunity to make something that combines the best visuals/audio/translation/added content into one definitive package, and I don't think it's for someone who has an easy way to play all the original releases on hand.

>>9831634
>Anyway I'm no FF expert but for me my recommendations for someone who is looking for the best, most complete, but still "authentic" (i.e. not the remakes that changed a bunch of stuff) experiences would look like this:
>Final Fantasy 1: Dawn of Souls for the GBA

>Origins
Soul

>Dawn of Souls GBA
Soulless

Behead all remakes.

>>9831634
>this entire post

10/10 bait

>>9831471
always play the original versions. you will never go wrong by doing so.

>>9831258
Why didn't they remaster all of the pixels? That's just false advertising.

The lack of bonus content sucks, imo. People like to complain about the GBA/PSP ports because the bonus content is "filler", but I personally like bonus content.

>>9831258
Way too expensive. Greedy.

Final Fantasy versions to play:
>1
PSP. If you're autistic about Vancian magic or don't care about bonus content, Pixel Remaster
>2
PSP. If you don't care about bonus content, Pixel Remaster
>3
If you want 2D, Pixel Remaster. If you want 3D, PC port of DS/PSP version.
>4 & After Years
If you want 2D, PSP. If you want 2D and don't care about bonus content/After Years, Pixel Remaster. If you want 3D, PC port of DS version (but you have to get After Years separately)
>5
If you care about the bonus jobs and post-game content, old delisted PC port (with mods to fix the shitty mobile graphics). If not, Pixel Remaster.
>6
If you care about the bonus post-game content, old delisted PC port (with mods to fix the shitty mobile graphics). If not, Pixel Remaster.

>>9831903
>PSP
fugly sprites

>>9831258
I'm a fan of Dawn of Souls for the GBA. It's fairly basic- a simple JRPG where you press button to kill monsters, you know, without much fuss, is just what you want sometimes, yknow, if you like jrpgs. It's got good graphics that aren't-yikes-pic related and I don't get later FFs with their odd mechanics and terrible plots. Although, I don't consider myself having played the original-it's not a NES game. Spells don't use MP? I might try the original sometimes, since I like simple games, but then maybe not. By the description they're not very alike. Just not having NES graphics completely changes the feel of it too, y'know. Still, it's good as a different game. If you think of it as a different game made for the GBA, it's good, I think.

>>9831908
Most content.

>>9831924
And (more importantly) most bugfixes.

>>9831924
bad content

>>9831930
>Uh uh, bad player.
>Oooooh.

>>9831258
atrocious and insulting
if you're gonna subject yourself to raw pixels anyways just emulate

>>9831258
They all look great, except the scrolling while walking around in the field could be A LOT smoother. I feel like I'm playing these games on a fucking potato computer, running an old emulator.

You play the originals with romhacks that fix non issues and rectify the translation made by people who are too autistic to know what fun is and don't speak a word of Japanese. Unironically.

>>9831634
>GBA anything

>>9833687
>T.assmad game gear cuntoid

Are there mods to fix the fugly phone UI yet

>>9831287
FF1 and 2 are downgrades in the gameplay department. I never died ONCE during my FF1 playthrough.

2 PR gets rid of some tactical elements in combat too.

>>9833779
Yeah, there are actually several UI mods for all of the Pixel Remasters. Some of them look pretty good.

>>9833781
>I never died ONCE during my FF1 playthrough.
Did you fight Warmech? I got fucked by the RNG on my first attempt; it nuked literally every single turn.

>>9831258
SNES is still the definitive version

>>9831258
>What's the verdict on Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster releases?
Only played FF1 PR.
It's great after you install a mod to change the font. There's plenty of UI and sprite mods but that's a more subjective thing.
Would be the definitive way to play FF1 if it had all the content that it doesn't have, but that the other versions such as the GBA or the PSP one do.
The same probably goes for FF2 to 6.

>>9833883
I don't think I ran into him.

>>9831258
I've only tried FF6's. It's almost good, but it makes some BAD first impressions:
>unskippable Magitek armor march to Narshe, and you don't even get credits to distract you
>fucked scrolling during all scripted cinematic sequences, especially noticeable in the intro
>Roman salute nixed during Terra's empire flashback, replaced by a mad corny looking double-arm raise
I don't even get the latter; they're the bad guys doing bad guy stuff. Are we this neurotically concerned about Nazi glorification and reference? That aside, it has some nice QOL touches throughout, the remade OST owns, and the new particle spell effects look great.

>>9834164
>Are we this neurotically concerned about Nazi glorification and reference?
Oh we're far worse than that now

>>9834164
The console versions added the credits back, though whether that'll get backported to PC is anyone's guess

>>9833781
I can't die in the original FF1 either. Once you know what you're doing with FF1 it's extremely easy. It's literally the same stats on monsters in every way, the only changes are mostly QoL ones like buying cures faster, and bugfixes. Two of them- making spells work as intended and making intelligence increase spell damage, which can make the game much easier with black mage parties- but otherwise there's no difference for the typical Fighter/Black Belt/Ninja etc. party.

>>9831258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDGlN6mluGA

>>9834164
>new particle spell effects look great.
They don't. The original had serious style. The new particle spell effects are reused for every Pixel Remaster and they have a lot less inspiration than FF6's original

>>9834259
Wrong. 1-5 reuse the same spell animations. 6 doesn't, and tries to mimic the original game with modern effects.

>FF1 & 2
Origins on PS1 was fine. PSP otherwise.

>FF3
I can't speak on this.

>FF4
There is like a billion versions of this one. DS or PSP

>FF5
SNES

>FF6
SNES

>FF7
PS1

>FF8
PS1

>FF9
PS1

>>9831258
Only one worth playing is 3 because the original version doesn't have an official release otherwise. Pretty good game.

>>9834731
>FF7
Is there a version with an unfucked translation?

>>9831540
or instead of fucking around with romhacks, just play origins because it's exactly that: NES game balance but with all the bugs fixed and much improved visuals

>>9833724
>no argument

>>9831634
NES FF3 is still the best. I was hoping PR would be better but it's shit.

>>9834984
You will take your default 'This Guy Are Sick' and like it.

>>9831903
Why did SE take out the bonus content, but change a bunch of other shit anyway? I really liked the post game expert challenges. Is SE ashamed of them?

>>9834731
>>FF6
>SNES
with Ted Woolsey Uncensored patch

>>9831903
I wish they kept a lot of the PS1 FMV's for the remasters, especially 5. I think they add a pretty unique vibe to the games, imo.

>>9831258

Only speaking for FFVI, but abysmally bad without a dozen or so mods, passable with mods. Still doesn't have gba extra content though so it's dogshit in my book, but some people prefer basic snes game like in the PR.

>>9831490
The pixel remaster keeps the old MP system but adds ethers, which completely trivialize it. Don't use them if you want the original experience.

>>9831258
Shit

>>9831634
>It's a decent collection. Let's not go crazy here.
But it's not even a "collection", it's a loose group of Unity recreations.
>It's far from perfect but it's definitely plenty good enough for 95% of people,
I mean fair enough, they're the most normie-friendly versions. They're not the worst versions of these games out there. Some might even reach a top-three. But none of them are the "best" version.
>The Pixel Remasters are just remasters of the original releases,
They're not even that. They're marketed as that on the surface, but under the hood, they're Frankenteins of previous releases, picking and choosing assets and mechanics from certain versions. The "8-bit" games for example have a lot of carryover from the PSP versions, and even III has a lot more in common with the 3D remake that you'd think.
>Final Fantasy 1: Dawn of Souls for the GBA
Only if you can't into the magic system.
>Final Fantasy 2: Dawn of Souls for the GBA or Pixel Remaster
I can see that, but I feel later releases lose some of the uniqueness the game had.
>Final Fantasy 3: Pixel Remaster
See me after class.
>Final Fantasy 4: PSP
Meh, ONLY if you're curious enough to play The After Years and have no access to the WiiWare version, or you really, really want to try Interlude (why?).
>Final Fantasy 5: GBA or Pixel Remaster
I would if I didn't loathe the Advance localization with a passion.
>Final Fantasy 6: ... The best version of this that I know of the SNES version with the Woolsey patch...
>>9835996
SNES has a GBA script port which renders every other text hack obsolete, and the patch you mentioned is the hack equivalent of the guy in comments sections that goes "first!" and having inexplicable likes despite this person not offering anything to the world.
>>9834984
Maybe one day when someone realizes that the Japanese, non-International original is super obscure in the Western sphere.
>>9835048
I agree, Pixel Remaster weirdly takes too much from the 3D remake and slips it in 2D skin.

>>9839792
I'm disregarding this whole post because you literally described what a collection is and added that it wasn't a collection because you said so.

>>9839802
A collection is, in common gaming vernacular, a compilation, which the pixel remasters were decidedly not, unless one counts the more recent hilariously overpriced and limited-run physical console edition.

>>9839814
Autism. Plain, simple, and pure.
Maybe it's not a collection by your special snowflake marketing definition, but in everyday speech a collection can be multiple related objects associated as a group. It's completely understandable that people would call Pixel Remaster a collection.

>>9839802
>>9839839
>doesn't know what a collection is in the context of gaming
>arguing semantics
>snowflake
Back to /v/ with you, youngin.

>>9839839
You shouldn't reply to bait, Anon.

>>9839839
https://press.na.square-enix.com/FINAL-FANTASY-PIXEL-REMASTER-SERIES-OUT-NOW-ON-PLAYSTATION4-AND-NINTEN
Square Enix doesn't even market it as a collection; it's a "series" - which it is because it released sequentially - and the physical bundle is the "complete series."

>>9839860
...and?
Still fits the definition of a collection.

>>9839839
>Maybe it's not a collection by your special snowflake marketing definition,
Bitch, no one called them "compilations" until like five years ago, stop insisting on made-up, not-retro buzzwords.

>>9839860
They also market it as a Remaster. Funny stuff.

>>9839865
Pretty appropriate picture to post considering I have no fucking clue what you're bitching about.

>>9839869
...Yes, the phrase "pixel remaster" is self explanatory, i.e. they're marketing them aa having remastered the pixel aesthetic.

>>9839874
Then would the phrase "collection" not be also self explanatory, i.e. they're a collection of older games?
Hurr durr.

It's a complete collection of Square's mainline Nintendo titles. Prove me wrong.

How fucking autistic do you have to be to get this upset over someone calling something a collection? Jesus christ, WHO CARES

>>9831258
Still looks better than octopath traveler

>>9839864
"Collection" is synonymous with "compilation": Anon obviously believed anon meant that definition, which would be a very easy mistake to make because a lot of people were mislead. No need to split hairs.

>>9831258
It's $75 for 6 roms. I'll get 3 but only because I've only got the ds version, maybe I'll get the others on sale but I've got psp and the anthology.

>>9839903
That's not a high bar, your excellency.

>>9839908
They're not roms

Gentlemen.
...I'm beginning to think that this Fantasy is not, by definition, Final.

>>9839969