/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263#p9611406

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/vr/image/1681/53/1681537308586.png

=== NEWS ===
[4-15] Coincident achieves first ever non-TAS single segment run of Okuplok (ITYTD)
https://youtu.be/4PP6iqrgIM8

[4-12] Re: Mobilize Quake mod announced
https://youtu.be/KZOgpGb6YM0

[4-11] Doomer Boards projects compiled (01-57) (04-11-2023) (With latest fixes to Shatter Realm)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n9j77ptkec5md

[4-10] A 7-map demo of "Of Myth Relinquished" for Heretic is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134628

[4-9] Slayers Testaments for Quake trailer released
https://youtu.be/RkrXeQdQLCs

[4-9] Descent is getting a DXX-based raytraced build
https://youtu.be/Q970jljMTNkembed))

[4-9] The Quake 2 25th Anniversary Collaborative Unit is here!
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/Quake225ACU.zip

[4-6] New E4 inspired episode for Quake
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/the-spiritworld.208/

[4-3] Wad Scorecard v1.6 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/133645

[4-2] What is Health? RC1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134785

[4-2] Raze 1.7.0 released
https://github.com/ZDoom/Raze/releases/tag/1.7.0

[4-2] Anon shares a map about finding the lost 94 Protons release build
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vww5Y1FKFayLAN3mDGuOdbTg5WMIjZf

[4-1] Cripsy 6.0 released, now supporting Strife
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases/tag/crispy-doom-6.0

[4-1] Slade updated to 3.2.2.
https://github.com/sirjuddington/SLADE/releases/tag/3.2.2

[4-1] VALORANT: Antivax Edition released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134769

[3-28] Doom Master Wadazine #20 is out
https://wadazine.com/portofolio/

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doom is kewl

just imagine

>>9829748
Quakebros we can't be stopped

>>9827240
>>9827373
>>9827748
They're so photogenic! Look at this glorious bastard, you think he worries about anything? You think he has any problems in his life? He spends the majority of his time being seven polygons that vaguely look like a big eyeless stuffed toy and his presence in a room still commands respect.
I don't care what form they take - Enhanced, AD or original, the Shambler is fucking fabulous.

>>9829748
>Old instead rather shitty devs kill
>doomguy obnoxious
>knights okay
>project best made stuff
>retarded replacement shitshow

>>9829748
>remember bitterman

>>9829748
>Shamblers mentioned
That they were.

Is Doom Guy natty?

>>9829779
No, but he doesn't care.

>>9829756
last cacowards were pretty shit

>>9829748
To be honest I kinda feel I'm wasting my time shooting at 2D sprites. 3D models seem more worthy to shoot at.

>>9829748
>retarded replacement shitshow
>Shamblers mentioned
>Shotgun player God
>FPS oh yeah
>release Dwell enemies
>Copper trying love
>download without thanks
>remember Bitterman
>Doomguy obnoxious

>>9829786
That and there have been two big releases recently through Alkaline and Dwell Episode 2.
Meanwhile Doom has had a meme map and little else of note this year. It's like a weird role reversal at the moment.

Is anyone else getting crashes in Alkaline when gibbing one of those cyber-vores in Head Reattachment Trauma? It looks like it's calling for the .mdl for cyber-scrag gibs (I haven't been in a situation where I've gibbed any) and just dumping me back to console.

>>9829757
>You think he has any problems in his life?
>gets blasted by a quadded supernailgun

>>9829787
I reached the epiphany that I like Quake way more than Doom after all these years, but I'll always hate how Quake enemies just fall over like they've got tired and need a nap. Doom's death animations are glorious and I miss them while playing all these maps.

>>9829795
Ranger is everyone's problem in Quake and even Chadblers struggle against that man's magnum dong, but otherwise they're the guy you don't mess with in their own ecosystem.

>>9828392
>>9829734
Remember me Edie?
When I gibbed your brother, I TALKED!
JUST!
LIKE!
THIIISSS! ! !

>>9829762
Beautiful smug son of a bitch.
>>9829803
I love Adrian’s spritework as well as the models he used for them, but you need mods to have them gib like they do in Quake.

>>9829813
I wish more user levels used these guys. Whenever I come across an ogre with their specific skin, I get hyped and then disappointed when they just shoot that one nail volley.

>>9829727
>youtu.be/Q970jljMTNkembed)
They always manage to creep their way in

>>9829824
That's the other side to it, the lack of good death animations suck, but Quake 1s gibbing is the most satisfying gibbing in a game.
>The weird noise
>The way all the parts are oddly floaty and bounce everywhere
>The particle streamers of blood that follow the gibs on their travels
>The way a slightly oversized head is always the one bit left
Love it.

>>9829803
If you gave me a choice of picking only one of these:

>death animations
>gibbing
>ragdolls

I would always pick gibbing.

Posting all the D64 mods i currently find playable,some update daily

>>GZDoom compatible
>D64 Vanilla
https://tpu540059.itch.io/d64revanilla

>Brutal DOOM 64 (Has custom enemies in the settings)
https://mega.nz/folder/AtsgQL7K#uqIcrVz6KXT5w5dW8DSlww

>D64 corefier (Use randomspawner file for custom enemies/weapons)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RgkTiCZn-Z5fZNKKWRa8C6asVszYqZ8X

>D64 textures
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=76856

>D64 music
https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-d64ifier/addons/d64ifier-music-v0-90

>>Total conversion,Needs Doom64 ROM and doom2 wad for the addons
>DOOM CE
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-ce

>Standalone engine,needs Doom64 ROM (has custom monsters in the settings menu)
https://github.com/Styd051/DOOM64-Super-EX-Plus/releases

>Extra maps for the above
https://www.moddb.com/games/doom-64/downloads

>>9829757
These guys always freaked me out, doesn’t help that they’re hard to kill.

>>9829891
BrutalDoom64 triggers me for some reason
>decorations are HD while textures are vanilla doom
>EVERYTHING generates white puffs,especially the acid pinkie
>ultra detailed torches tanking your fps
I rather just have the enemies and the weapons,no option to disable the HD decoration whatsoever

>>9829803
Quake has nice movement mechanics but the weapons are so anemic and the enemies are just useless sponges of hp. Also the epic scale of some Doom encounters just can't be matched, in Quake you're fighting max 10 enemies.

Is DoomBuilder still in use or is it just Slade now?

>>9829964
anon your question should be the other way around

>>9829964
It's Ultimate Doom Builder now.

>>9829971
Thanks.

https://github.com/jewalky/UltimateDoomBuilder

All this talk about shamblers and gibbing got me hungry.

What other games do you Doom enjoyers play? This is a very comfy community.

>>9829984
i liek painkiller, arguably not retro but it's good.

>>9829984
I used to like wolfenstein and duke nukem, but doom ruined me

>>9829519
A lot of the stupid shit under the hood and weird defaults are from the "Randi" Haight era of ZDoom. Which Graf cant really change easily without breaking mod compatibility even more.
Also, people complain about backwards-compatibility, but GZDoom is actually amazing at that compared to EDuke32. Those guys are constantly breaking basic physics even in the vanilla game.

>>9829957
That’s kind of like comparing Quake’s episodes to something like Alien Vendetta.
>>9829992
Isn’t it from 05?

Man eviternity map 27 kills the software renderer. Also noticed that in dsda-doom and I guess in prboom+ aswell all enemy sprites float slightly in the air when using opengl, what’s up with that? It’s like they’re rendered in a slightly misaligned position.

For me? Infinitely tall explosions.

>>9830052
Doom's sprites are offset so their feet are under the floor, because the software renderer can draw them over the floor. Its hard to describe but youll know what i mean if you look at them side by side. Its not that simple in OpenGL, so GZDoom has the option to either automatically raise them above the floor or let their feet be clipped off. Kaiser found a way to render it properly in OpenGL in his Strife port, but no other port dev has implemented it for whatever reason.

>>9829984
System Shock
Rise of the Triad
Killing Time
Duke Nukem 3D
Quake
Blood
Unreal
Jurassic Park: Trespasser
Delta Force
Half Life

>>9829891
>>9829940
Also
Doom 64 CE triggers me for some reason
>broken textures randomly apprears
>normal music changes to midi version even is configured correctly
>wrong map orders
>combining retribution maps to "vanilla" ones breaks the sectors.
>same fate as brutal doom 64

>>9829957
Oh yeah, modern Doom's "here's 1000 enemies, now run in circles while they kill each other" can't be matched. Truly the pinnacle of FPS combat.

>>9830090
....and terry wads as the pinacle.

>>9829984
Powerslave (PC version)

>>9830090
I wasn’t talking about shitty slaughter. Even 50 enemies is plenty and makes you fight for space, depending on the map of course.

I have a yearly tradition of playing Spooktober.wad every Halloween evening, despite the varying quality of the maps. It's not Halloween if something isn't shitty and spooky, so I feel it's in the spirit of things. But I'm playing the second Quake Halloween Jam out of curiosity and it's honestly a lot better. I think I'll be adding this one to the rotation too.
It's really comfy and only let down by some maps being too spacious with nothing happening to warrant it and it not being Halloween right now.

>>9830079
>broken textures
Got a pic?
>broken sectors
What?

>>9830115
Love the pic. Do you (or anyone) have other holiday/event recommendations?

>>9830025
Ah yes, EDuke32, where mod compatibility between versions is SO bad that authors have no choice but bundling the version of it they made the mod for, because there's a +75% chance that every new update will alter some function they relied on and thus break the mod.
GzDoom having occasionally broken a few things over the years has NOTHING on that shit.

>>9830136
The recent Christmas Jam 2022 was pretty good. A couple of annoying maps here and there, but most of them were a lot of fun. Highlights include the weird Silent Hill walking sim map with warping eldritch architecture, The assault on Evil Santa's workshop (a little too open, but it's fun) and a map where drunk grunts crash a Christmas themed spaceship into your mansion.

>>9830162
I am officially hyped to get back into Doom

>>9830172
That bad, huh?
There's a bunch of stuff I miss from Doom, but I've liked this extended vacation in Quake.

>>9829964
You can make maps with Slade's included editor, but very few people actually use it, Slade gets used for everything else. Ultimate Doombuilder is the best software now, unless you're on Linux lmao

please give me more WADs/games like myhouse.pk3, this was a masterpiece and I want more of the same

>>9830078
>Jurassic Park: Trespasser
Are you telling me that all this time there's been a dinosaur based retro FPS and I haven't played it.... next thing I know, you'll tell me that there's also a Predator based one (I'll shoot myself in the foot if this is true)

>>9830090
Very nuanced debate-ending take.

>>9830191
Yume Nikki

>>9830191

>>9829984
I assume you mean other retro shootans.
Wolfenstein 3D. The original 3 episodes are actually nice, it's "Nocturnal Missions" that is total ass.
Quake's Arcane Dimensions. Usually I'm a scifi guy thus never cared for most of it's maps. Recently I've got an itch for fantasy stuff, so now I'm going through the entire thing.

>>9830217
>YN3D is a Yume Nikki fangame made in Build Engine.
Wtf? I remember seeing Sonic on Build, now this. How many (fan)games made on this engine are actually there?

>>9830090
That's a specific genre of maps, which at most bleeds over a little bit in other works. You look something high profile like BTSX, and you do get slaughter, but only a bit, I think only in like three levels, two which are secret.
Otherwise it's outright advertised as slaughterriffic, or you're looking at something like Sunlust, which is predicated on being tough as nails, but with the slaughter being absent initially, until it starts to dial it up, getting at its peak by the last third.

I love Quake, but even a large group encounter of like 30 doesn't really work well, barring giving you and the monsters LOTS of space, and even then not that well. A proper horde of like 100 at once, which is generally considered a large amount for Doom's gameplay with most styles of maps, just doesn't fly.

almost there
I don't know how to edit the totals screen so it will be kept

>>9830248
Looking great anon. What is this project about?

>>9830217
Great list. I really liked the Lisa series and Space Funeral

>>9830253
I wanted to recreate pizza tower's combo and socring system in doom

>>9830198
Go play AvP2 now.

>>9830191
Maybe Soundless Mound, if it still works.

>>9830260
This was such a fucking good game, it's a shame what happened to Monolith, they're stuck making a Wonder Woman game now.

https://youtu.be/sDJ1T794WZc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkaVlO_ih0A
I wish we got more Marathon music in this style.

>>9829984
I am not a doom guy and not really part of this community but I love the heretic/hexen series.

>Oxyblack Fortress (ad_heresp1) for Quake
How are you supposed to know that to defeat Chton you have to hit some windows far away?
Overall this map's progression is so-so. Looks cool though.

>>9830417
From what I remember it outright tells you the windows have lit up through a text message.
Still a really stupid way to kill him though, does he faint from the thought of the repair bill or something?

>>9830263
they work on multiple games, they are also working on zelda

Let me guess, you NEED more monsters.

>>9830465
>blue brick
>only one spawn

dissapointing.

more spawns please.

>>9830457
I think your thinking of Monolith soft. A completely separate company.

Besides, companies change all the time. Probably zero people who were at Monolith 20+ years ago are there now. It's like being sad about Rare. The like dozen people that made those N64 games we love are all gone decades ago.

>>9830465
Quake infighting never made much sense to me. Doom has demons and those are chaotic evil so of course they want everyone dead, but Quake's enemies are either the locals of that world or creations of an Elder God. It makes no sense that they immediately want each other dead if they accidentally hurt each other.

>>9830465
I'm scared now.

>>9830421
Think of the windows as his horcruxes.

>>9830485
>all these years

>>9829765

>>9830271
ÂME

>>9829984
>Doom enjoyers
I guess I'm more of a Quake enjoyer with Hexen being a close second, but DOOM is awesome as well.
Started replaying Hexen (Cleric again) and going through Hexen 2 as Paladin more than a year ago. Should go back to those playthroughs and finish them off. There's also one retro FPS (the best one, once it hits full release) I played recently, but unfortunately some anon or mod here is allergic to it or something.
To be fair, I haven't played games regularly for quite some time now. It's getting better now thanks to nice off-topic title.
>>9830485
>Besides, companies change all the time.
Please don't trigger my autism, anon. This topic drived me completely nuts a few weeks ago. People change too though.
>It's like being sad about Rare
People do that when it's convenient for them. Mentioning Raven Software would've been appropriate for this thread and still just as accurate.

>>9830485
Thats true, although i think there are still a couple 90s OG's at Monolith. Same with Raven and Human Head or whatever theyre called now. Guess theyre happy enough with the paycheck for working on nothing but their parent companies garbage for years. And Kevin Cloud still works as an artist at Id.

>>9830586
>There's also one retro FPS (the best one, once it hits full release) I played recently, but unfortunately some anon or mod here is allergic to it or something
If its made on a retro engine (ie Wrath) it should be perfectly fair game to discuss here.

>>9829984
Deep Rock Galactic

>>9830589
>Same with Raven and Human Head or whatever theyre called now.
Raven & Roundhouse Studios. Although the latter is technically a different company, it consist off all Human Head members. It's funny since HH themselves was started by ex-Raven devs some time after Activision bought, even though officially they planned on doing their own thing before that.
>>9830601
>If its made on a retro engine
It's not, but that rule on itself is very inconsistent since the likes of D**k, G****n & P*****m F**y sometimes get a pass.
This topic is retarded on itself and will lead to a dead end.

Have we given up on 94 protons. I know Chop is not dead, since he liked my post on Doomworld recently.

>>9830542
http://i.4cdn.org/trash/1681706736231921.jpg

>>9829724
what source port should I use if I want to play Raven's IWADs with something closer to vanilla than GZDoom?

is dsda-doom support for them mature enough?
should i stick to crispy? what about russian/inter-doom?

>>9830617
I gave up on 94 Protons when chopblock revealed he was replacing the Wolfenstein SS sounds for no reason and he couldn't even figure out how to do it himself.

>>9830648
I guess Cockblock still up to his old shit, who the fuck let him be in charge again?

>>9830617
I've come to terms with it probably not coming out within the next year.

>>9830660
I've gone beyond that, I don't think it ever will come out.

He's going to keep fucking with it forever in a stupid quest to make it his perfect wad.

>>9830675
Good point, it will keep being expanded until it reaches critical mass.

>>9830617
I'm surprised no one has withdrawn their maps already.

>>9830684
If I need any filler slots for my wad, I might.

>>9830648
>named chopblock
>puts our hopes & dreams on the chopping block
Its like pottery

>>9830684
A lot of people have probably forgotten about it by now since it's dragged on so fucking long beyond the maps being finished.

Any reason to buy Doom 1-2 if I already have them via GZDoom and DOSBox? Like, are there quality of life upgrades or differences between the current retail versions or other versions floating around?

>>9830654
Oh no, this was almost a year ago by now, it's just where I gave up. The 400minvr lead gave him a scathing beatdown once that happened lmao. Clearly he didn't tear into him hard enough.

>>9830706
Just gather the maps already done with the ressources pack, and just release it as 93⅓ Protons or something.

>>9830714
About the only thing to get out of it would be a legal copy of No Rest for the Living, if you care about that. If you have any version of Doom 3 on Steam, then you already have that since you now have BFG edition regardless of whether you already owned it or you owned the original Doom 3.

>>9830723
Was thinking about buying Doom 3 for PC as well (GOG is offering me a discount), so I might just go with that. Thanks, anon.

>>9829748
>download without thanks
That's right, modder monkies. Gimme that content and make it snappy.

>>9830769

>>9830489
The locals of earth fight with eachother all the time so

I really wish Quake 1 ports would hurry up and support the Quake 3 map format. I don't even care whether Trenchbroom can make the curved planes or not, I just want to be able to rotate something off grid without nearby surfaces being split into a gorillion extra triangles that might randomly not even render.

>>9830721
That would be pretty fucking funny.

>>9830832
Pretty sure FTE does

Thoughts on aiming with gyro controls?

>>9830915
it's fine. mouse is still better, though

>>9830903
I know, but nobody uses FTE. I mean the more common ports.

>>9829023
>Doesn't playing with angled weapons mess up the movement slightly, since you're basically looking over your own shoulder to pull the look off?

You know what, I never thought about that, now that you mention it. Does that mean my hitbox is slightly to the right in relation to the camera?

This triggers my autism. Might go back to centered weapons or learn how to fix this with a mod or something.

>>9830927
>Does that mean my hitbox is slightly to the right in relation to the camera?
Yes, that's exactly what the offset command does.

quick, list every boomer shooter worth playing

>>9830950
the OP has all of them, stop asking.

>>9830950
>boomer shooter
Considering this is a forced marketing term for games that aren't actually retro, none of them.

NEIS gets fucking crazy in episode 2.

>>9830927
anon, you should rocketjump facing backwards

>>9830832
Just port everything to ioQ3 lmao.

>>9829984
I am going thought the Marathon games right now.

>>9830832
that would only convert the quake 3 map you edited in trenchbroom to the quake 1 format behind the curtains if I'm not mistaken

>>9831046
No? A map compiled with Q3 compilers will be in the Q3 format. Maybe the engine will keep using Quake 1 style collision, but I don't care about that.

Are there any other active mp fps with the early-2000s custom map nonsense going on other than Unreal Tournament?

Is there a way to increase QSS's wallmark/decal count?

>>9831042
Nice, which one are you on right now?

>>9831058
There are probably a few tiny communities centered around a bunch of old GoldSrc/Source stuff, and a few even smaller communities centered around mods for those games, but I can't think of anything non-Valve.

>>9831058
Halo Trial last I checked.

>>9831143
>Halo Trial
Always thought it was weird people could get that involved in modding the demo of a game, especially one that doesn't really differ much from the game itself.

>>9830586
>Mentioning Raven Software would've been appropriate for this thread and still just as accurate.
For me it's Xatrix/Gray Matter/Treyarch.
Raven at least got to live in some capacity until 2010 before getting thrown into CoD hell.

>>9831143
kek people still play it? I played the crap out of the demo in the school computer labs

>>9829848
>The weird noise
That's just Trent Reznor gargling on a microphone.

Hey gents i'm trying to find a community wad series I can't remember the name of for the life of me. The last I remember it there were 3 main entries within the series and they all had hubs in which the player would walk through portals to get teleported to the respective levels. The first entry of the series finished off with a custom mecha-hitler boss that spammed rockets at you and the third entry had a render of doomguy from the 2016 game on the title screen. Would anybody happen to know the name of this series?

>>9831198
You're probably talking about the DUMP series.

>>9831206
I miss stuff like DUMP and some of the people who made that kind of thing fun.

>>9831206
Yes, that's it! Thanks anon.

What is this community's preference for scaling and video options? Loading-up gzdoom for the first time

>>9831194
better than every NiN vocal performance

>>9831194
nyom

>>9831229
Display options > Texture Options > set texture filter mode to none

This stops it from making the sprites look like blurry shit.

>>9831237
akthually, none with linear mip

>>9831237
>>9831245
I don't really understand what this option is about, but I like both choices more than just "linear". Thanks anons

>>9831119
Just started chapter 5 of the second game.
Sucks that it doesn't have music like the first game so I am just playing some dungeon synth from youtube in the background, it matches pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpQSzksEdJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZKMmBRI_7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zns4uOju1sw

>>9831256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-z7fNEsALA

>>9831252
It's basically a "modern" feature of games but nobody except the asshat in charge of GZDoom likes it because it looks fucking awful when applied to small sprites and textures.

It shouldn't be the default value but said asshat refuses to change that.

Is it worth learning to make doom wads anymore?

>>9831252
the mip map will help it from being overly sharp in the distance
honestly not a bit difference between nearest with nearest mip and nearest with linear mip

but yeah like the other anon said the linear filtering blurs the texture together which doesn't really work with Doom's small sprites. Later games like HalfLife use texture blur as a default and it starts to look a bit better (but imo still looks blurry and looks better with no filtering)

>>9831284
No, pick up Trenchbroom instead.

>>9829727
there is a 2.0 version of this mod released last month
https://www.unrealsp.org/index.php/articles/reviews/steele-dawn

Okay question, is it possible for a palette in a wad to work with both heretic and doom? Or at least for the wad to be smart enough to include both on load?

>>9831298
You could recolor the graphics to try and be compatible with both.

>>9831284
Yes

>>9831284
Sorry buddy, you juuust missed it.

>>9831218
We just got RAMP and RAMP 2022

>>9831284
As opposed to when, exactly? It's the year 2023 and people in 98 thought Doom modding is all but obsoleted.
I fucking hate vague-stupid posters like this. Do what you want you daft cunt.

>>9831284
Yeah but if you are indeed learning, you better get good, buster. We want pretty levels, not just fun levels. Fun and ugly started and ended with Sandy Petersen.

>>9831298
Or make two different distributions for the respective formats.

Or actually what even are you trying to accomplish here? One texture pack that works for both?

>>9831304
Can you do that? I was under the impression the palette loaded was the palette, and all my colors had to adhere to it.
I can include a palette for my wad, but it has to match the iwad, right?

>>9831325
>As opposed to when, exactly?
For the time invested into learning it, I could probably pick up Unity and learn a full engine to make an independent game on.
i like doom, I like modding, I don't understand GZDoom well enough to where I think I could make something people would enjoy playing without significant time investment. That's what I mean by 'worth it'.Picking it up now, could someone starting out with some relative coding and texturing knowledge really make something that stands out or will I always be playing catch up with people who have been doing this for 20+ years?

>>9831332
You only get the one palette, but you can adjust the graphics to adhere to the changed palette. Doom has a lot of redundant colors and colors that are very similar to others which you could replace.
Skillsaw did this with Anicent Aliens' palette.

>>9831329
I could do that.
I swapped the palette of my favorite wad to work with heretic (Demonsteele) and thought "What if I could just.. have one palette that loads when I drop it in and then I could use it with anything?"
I'm the same guy from the other thread who was thinking about making a mod for it with some changes.

>>9831342
I'll have to check this out. I may end up doing this, but recoloring everything to find similar colors would mean that it would look out of place in both games, right?

Well. That was a huge waste of time.

>>9831332
>I can include a palette for my wad, but it has to match the iwad, right?
It doesn't need to match anything really, you can have a palette with nothing but shades of pink but it'd replace everything in the iwad with em.

>>9831338
From a technical know-how standpoint Doom and even GZDoom are incredibly easy and convenient to pick up, learning the ropes on good mapmaking customs and eventually making good maps is harder. People are pretty understanding to babby's first maps though, we've all been there.

>make something that stands out or will I always be playing catch up with people who have been doing this for 20+ years?
Depends what you want out of it. Or what you want out of your interest in modding/game development in general. If you want to 'stand out' in Doom you're gonna have to work hard but there's always amazing newcomer mappers in the scene so there's no impossible barriers to entry like that.

>>9831338
dude, you can learn how to make an entire map in less than a day

Also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4-5d10dCyQ

>>9831349
>33/38

>>9831350
>It doesn't need to match anything really, you can have a palette with nothing but shades of pink but it'd replace everything in the iwad with em.
Oh god.
Pinkyvision

>>9831373
That's how stuff like the pain screen works. It changes every color to red.

>>9831349
Game is Quake, i can see that. But what is this?

>>9831389
alk_mania from Alkaline 1.2

>>9831391
Thanks.

>>9831383
Huh, interesting. I guess I have more research to do on color theory to find an appropriate palette to shift everything to.

>>9830191
"The Thing you cant defeat.wad" for Ultimate Doom.

>>9831256
>>9831263
huh, good shit

>>9831409
Check out Summoning too. It's really repetitive, which makes it good background music.

>>9831058
Post the name of the map in the webm. Looks fun.

dios mío, man

Windows doesn't support midis anymore, how do I get around this? I know there is some kind of magic you can do with sound fonts but I'm not sure how.

>>9831256
What are your thoughts on the first game?
Did you try out netplay yet? It's actually a lot of fun.

>>9831493
OK figured it out
Play in Windows Media Player and get the worst soundfonts imaginable but at least be able to hear them.

>>9831370
Agreed, these people should be making metroid prime maps.

the pizza tower scoring system mod for doom is done. I can't be assed to learn how to add new stuff to the totals screen right now

view the readme for how it works

https://files.catbox.moe/4o2sw1.zip

does anyone know how to host a coop game for the DOOM RPG wad

>>9831493
google "coolsoft virtualmidisynth"

>>9831338
If you have to blather on this much about whether or not to invest the time then don't do it. Go full bore into Unity or some other engine. Modders and mappers mod and map because they love the original game. You obviously don't, and that's fine. Go do something you actually want to do.

>>9831486
That's weird, there should be a message that pops up when you do that.

>>9829984
I just completed Ion Fury and I’m now 4 hours into Amid Evil. Loving them both a ton, Ion Fury is the best build shooter I’ve played. Looking forward to trying Dusk!

VRanon is there any difference besides visual between spiked fist rambler and blunt fist rambler?

>>9831338
You'll never compete with the elites of the community without literal 1+ years of investment into a single mod, sure.

But why are you setting the bar that high? Anyone can make something fun. If everyone who made maps had to compete in their head with the top dogs then nobody would make anything

>>9831391
>>9831349
Remind me plis - is this that tedious mapjam level where you can go AWOL 1/3 into it and just leave via an alternate exit and has a bizzare talking coffeemaker super-secret?

>>9831686
Zased

>>9830927
Sis this nigga just triple jump

>>9830915
It's amazing and essentially mandatory on console.

The fact that Xbox refuse to integrate it is insane to me. And won't get it until the next gen of console in like 2028+ if they even do.

>>9831486
Strange funny quirk about this trap - fire a rocket at Jesus before you kill all the monsters in this place and hide before it explodes in his face to be out of reach for the lighning-bolt, and the trap will instead start zapping every monster in front of it to kill any nearest entity that has a health value assigned to it

>>9831686
>You'll never compete with the elites of the community without literal 1+ years of investment into a single mod, sure.
and an increasing chunk of that is effectively marketing ant networking with a community full of fucking cliques.

It's no wonder a lot of the big names avoid a lot of shit these days.

Reminder if you pronounce gibbing with a hard G you are a leader.
If you pronounce gibbing with a soft g you are a follower.

When Quake 2 came out, with its side-held weapons (and projectile origin points), I set up a macro to swap between left and right handed specifically so I could get better angles around corners and shoot dudes in deathmatch without exposing my whole body.

>>9831704
>using Our Lord And Savior for infighting with monsters
I think there's about three blasphemies in that action.

>>9830626
He can't run faster.
>>9830643
>what about russian/inter-doom?
Still have some older version of Russian/International Heretic & Hexen. It's alright.
>>9831167
>Raven at least got to live in some capacity until 2010
Fair enough. Even though we know how it ended. Honestly, I would dare to say that Human Head had it worse.
>>9831349
Nice health.

>>9830191
>>9830217
this one iirc is from a /v/ user? anyway it's schizoshit and has several thousand pages worth of lore (?) in pdf format

https://gamejolt.com/games/Mongol/479309

>>9831486
I already knew what your webm was, but I wanted to play it anyway. Doing so made my machine crash. Not your fault but I figured you wanted to know that anyway.

>>9831349
Those light globe things are so 2d and that pisses me off.

>>9831786
I played with a simplified graphic mod with the player models colored monocolor hot pink and environment textures really drab shades of grays and browns.

>>9831813
Wh-what the fuck am i even looking at, there's barely any info, how long is it?

>>9831828
>how long is it
your sentence implies somebody knows how to beat it

shit's heating up on ZDF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5YrdarJ_7U
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1239410#p1239410

>>9831813
>>9831828
I remember a bit better now - he's from /agdg/ but somebody posted about Mongol in a /v/ thread about a year ago which is where i found it.
I found he posted in january and it looks like he's still at it
https://arch.b4k.co/vg/thread/416332857/#q416372417

>>9831850
here is an archive

>>9831545
The idea itself is cool, but I don't care for the Pizza Tower tie-in.
Why not replace the theming with something more Doomish? The community has accumulated a bunch of memes that sufficiently exaggerate the ridiculousness of the game - why not have an increasingly agitated skeleton in the corner, and rank names like Fireblu for F or SoulSpherical for SS?

>>9831850
>admins want a pedo groomer back because "muh talent"
Pedophile defenders need to burn with the pedos they love so much.

>>9831545
hey, could you prehaps add it so keys can reset the combo meter if picked up?
it nearly lost a combo because of it.

>>9830684
I was going to withdraw mine to use in my own solo project, but now I have no time to work on that either, so for the moment I'm keeping it in 94P.

>>9831879
They can't even be sincere about that. The moment they think it'll make them look bad, it's "Marisa's statement has been nothing but disappointing", still desperately trying to save face and shift the blame. The reality is that an actual friend reached out to Marisa and convinced her not to play along with their bullshit. That's what they're fucking disappointed in, that they were denied the opportunity to prop up a lie and bully other communities into submission.

>>9831850
Can't bring myself to care, it's all so tertiary. ZDoom Forums could be run by Epstein and I wouldn't think much differently kek.

>>9831925
Just when I think the Quake community is bad and filled with snakes, the Doom community once again feels the need to top it.

>>9831925
>begun to cut her off
So they haven't completely.

>>9831868
>Evil practices in this modding team and community
>But I totally understand because "bigots" who live rent free in our heads!
The Doom community died when these people flooded the place.

>another tranny drama

>>9832038
I'm sick and tired of their shit at this point. It's always the same, if a normal person behaved like them they'd be out on their ass by now, but because of their special class the usual suspects fight tooth and nail to defend even the most guilty examples. Fuck them.

>>9831879
I think there's more than just that.

Marisa has admitted to some very inappropriate behavior, and she should really not partake in spaces like ZDF or various Discords where there's minors. I think her misdeeds are somewhat mischaracterized (her accuser is more a groomer than her by any stretch of the imagination, Marisa is guilty of being an autistic and horny idiot), but if you've spent any time around her online, such as say, when she posted with a trip here, it'd be fairly obvious she's pretty socially maladjusted/underdeveloped, recent reveals making it clear it's to the extent that she's unsafe.
However, Marisa was convinced to ADMIT to and own up to her wrongdoing, to come clean about it, which most people guilty of the same would not do. To me that suggests that she's willing to try to make up for it, and that she MIGHT be able to be conditioned to become a healthier to be and better adjusted person, with the right professional help. I implore her to pursue that.

Now, Rachael, she doesn't give a FUCK about any of that, that Marisa is a risk to others, that Marisa needs help, no, Rachael wanted her to lie about it, to recant her admission, and then have her squad of mods to guard her and cover up anything and everything relating to it, borderline enabling Marisa's unsafe behavior.
Rachael, who manages a community which has many minors, is entirely comfortable with hiding a person who has been very inappropriate, even unsafe, with some of said minors, all for precious political optics.

>>9832041
Of course, the tranny janny will delete all these posts like the tranny groomer "she" is

>>9832045

>>9832038
It's more than just the transgenderism, Rachael is in charge of one of the biggest forums for the Doom fandom, where much development of content and software goes on.
Because Rachael is a fundamentally evil person with no sense of right and wrong (predating her taking charge of ZDF, see Skulltag), she has been increasingly disliked for how he she's been running the ship over the years. This has long since gone across the political spectrum, I know of dozens of left leaning and strongly pro-LGBTQ people in the community who hates her fucking guts, and now this bizarre bullshit of hers comes to light.

Not only is this something extremely immoral, it raises countless questions, it's easy to assume that she's done these things before, and will do again. How many ACTUAL predators are skulking around on ZDF right now? How safe are minors using that forum? Not only is the optics of this reveal far worse than what was the case with Marisa's crimes alone, this may very well have some pretty significant ramifications for one of this fandom's main hubs, this could very well affect the development of one of the major sourceports if it all goes wrong enough.

>>9832050
I kind of agree that this stuff isn't really appropriate for the thread, because it turns this place into /v/. But at the same time the current community leaders are all either trans or support them and try to cover up the many, many instances of awful behaviour and this absolutely has to stop. I hate how this one group of people essentially have a free pass to be creeps simply because the loudest political team deemed it so.

>>9832064
We need Chopblock to handle this, he has a record of driving trannies away from the forums

>>9832057
I outright say she ISN'T blameless, what I'm saying is that the kid there is a sexual predator outright, who demonstrated a habit of ACTUALLY grooming children, some as young as 12. Did you miss that he was boasting about how he had coerced nudes out of little boys? Marisa, for as sleazy and shitty as she is for partaking in that, and who SHOULD have known better, is STILL nowhere NEAR on his level.

You could probably fix Marisa with the right approach and effort, but a guy who's sexually extorting young boys, and who's proud of that, before he's even an adult himself, has no hope in hell of being rehabilitated. Notice how he disappeared himself completely when Marisa admitted she did something fucked? Because he's worried of getting caught for his own, far more serious crimes.

>>9832069
That was more Kinsie being a snarky bitch like usual, and Kraflab being thinskinned.

This isn't a problem with Woof.

>>9832057
>pirunvirsi
nyt vittu oikeesti

>>9831654
Nope, they should be the same.

>>9831987
I can't stand the Quake "community" these days, EXCEPT that one guy who implemented func_vehicle. He SINGLEHANDEDLY made me want to make stuff for Quake.
Please don't let him be uncouth. That would be extremely painful.

>>9830626
Sorlag my beloved…

>>9832146
The spiked one should do less damage upfront and do a little bleeding damage over time (please ignore me I am dumb).

>>9832150
That's because it's been taken over by zoomers who behave just like the Doom community. They also make the most annoying, grindy shit possible and have an army of sycophants calling them "masterpieces".
I have zero doubts they'll turn out to be creepy abusers too in time, since all these extreme left kids tend to be, and the issue will resolve itself.

>>9831925
>>9832045
>her
>she
Dude, Marisa is a mentally ill MAN. Have you even heard Marisa's voice? That's a dude.

>>9832045
>>9832057
>Marissa
>her wrongdoings
>Penis.png
>HER
You fell for the oldest trick in the book
No seriously, eunuchs existed since the dawn of mankind

this has meme potential

>>9831850
>>9831879
These are the same people who also were covering for the person who sexually harassed Term, there's no worth in staying anywhere near them.

>>9831789
I'm just intrigued how that thing works in detail, especially of how it automaticly locks-on to the next nearby living thing if the player is out of reach

>>9832045
Marisa has led the charge with so many community cancellings so I have no sympathy even removed from the fucked up context of this shit.

And as bordering on /pol/ shit as this gets, with Rachael you also have to remember this is the trans clique of the zdoom cult, it's the same clique who had a trans friend of Marrub going after Term till he quit the community.

>>9832225
And they wonder why we hate them.

>>9832150
We would have had something like that a long time ago if a gaggle of pseudo-purists didn't dismiss the FTE engine at every opportunity, effectively stunting its growth by cutting off most potential feedback. Now what could have been done with a convenient, albeit basic physics system has been cobbled into a janky monstrosity that calls a gorillion QuakeC tracelines a second and will probably crash any netquake server that tries to load it.
Even if you think the FTE engine is bloated, its physics handling could have been adopted by other ports with no impact on vanilla gameplay.
>Please don't let him be uncouth.
heh...

>>9832241
>heh...
What did he do now?

>We would have had something like that a long time ago if a gaggle of pseudo-purists didn't dismiss the FTE engine at every opportunity
Are these the same folks who jerk off to QuakeSpasms and the likes of Theseus ship-like "engine extending"-clients?
I do think there is a lot of hypocricy going on, but I would like to know the details.

>>9832174
>I have zero doubts they'll turn out to be creepy abusers
I'm already taking bets.

>>9831987
Quakefags don't have their own version of Veekun yet as far as I'm aware of

This might just be my favourite quoth map. Sure, there is also Ruins of the Elder God and others, but nothing else quite has this sort of intricate but fun layout, not even hrimfaxi's other maps. The only mark against it is the lack of gugs and polyps.

>>9832263
>I'm already taking bets.
My money is on Fairweather. He's already tried to cancel one of the bigger names in the community with zero evidence, so that fuckers up to some shady shit already.

>>9831850
>mostly go away for weeks
>come back
>this shitfest pops off

>>9829984
Street Fighta!
Street Fighta!
(and other fighting games in general, but mostly) Street Fighta!

>>9829984
pizza tower

>>9831868
Eric remaining a pretty fucking cool dude.

>>9831850
Total Doominati Death now? Hopefully this gets spread around.

>>9832354
I think that server was mostly if not already dead, all of the people who were decent company just up and left.

>>9832361
I'm not talking about the server. I'm talking about The Fun Police and the negative influence they turned out to have on Doom.

Also, don't you find it weird that >>9831850 got deleted? Are jannies and mods also involved in this incident?

>>9832057
I was thinking "meh, thats not that bad", but apparently they were also talking sexually about 14 year-olds too so nah.

So what gameplay mods are you guys playing lately?

>>9832241
My response to you about the hypocricy of the client-use got deleted.

>>9832436
Augur Zenith through Babel. Someday I’ll finish Hellbound through HD.
I started Zerstorer for Q1. For Q2 I’m still messing around with the 25th Anniversary Unit since it also works as a gameplay mod for vanilla-compatible levels.

Guess Cardboard Marty was disposable.
Pretty fucked, ZDoom moderators. Have they ever handled a situation properly?
Megalomaniacs.

>>9832436
Arcane DImensions, mostly.
I like the other Quake mods enough, but AD is perfect for fantasy settings and Halloween

>>9832274
Which map though?

>>9832512
Not even once. They have fucked up every single time.

>>9832437
>hypocricy of the client-use
It stems from the same favoritism that has hampered everything else. vkQuake's Novum and FTE's Spike have largely retreated from the Quake 'community' and therefore aren't allowed relevancy - though vkQuake has recently forced itself back into the spotlight by sheer impressiveness. Ironwail's developer pals around with known figures and that has allowed it to become the undisputed golden goose despite vkQuake being more stable and having about the same features.
Retroquad was on course to take that same place, but Mankrip started e-begging and acting schizophrenic enough to annoy the people he was trying to suck up to (the engine is basically dead now, with only small monthly updates on his Twitter).
Quakespasm remained popular in the new paradigm simply through accumulated clout + little competition until the last few years. QSS stayed popular for a while because of the features that AD used, but it's mostly irrelevant now.

>>9832469
>Augur Zenith through Babel.
Nice, shame there's not much more in the way of wads along that kind of theme.

Maybe it'll get a sequel one day.

>>9832615
>Maybe it'll get a sequel one day.
It'll be all deathmatch maps.

Doomer anons, how do I load a .ini config file from console? When I type "gzdoom - config (path to config file)" I get an error saying that "gzdoom" is not a recognized command.

I'm guessing I need to set-up my PATH variable?

>>9831505
>What are your thoughts on the first game?
The gameplay is good, Durandal is a fun character, his schizo ramblings where entertaining.
The cast of enemies was good too my favorite being the Major Pfhor Trooper.
The only complain I have is the lack of a shotgun weapon (thankfully its fixed in the sequel) and the last level being disappointing, it kind of just end without a unique proper challenge.
>Did you try out netplay yet? It's actually a lot of fun.
Maybe after a beat the third game.

>>9831284
Doom / Doom 2 has the liveliest FPS mapping community on earth so yes.

>>9831338
You don't need to do any coding or texture work. Forget about GZDoom and just make Doom maps.

>>9832650
This, you can even manage a lot with basic ass decorate stuff.

You sure as fuck don't need to be balls deep in zscript bullshit to make something fun.

>>9832710
True. Look at fucking Zandybam, it didn't even complete Decorate support, and you can still do wild shit. Then look at good old Zen Dynamics, so much of the nifty stuff it does is plain Decorate, and a lot of the added stuff it needed ACS to do can easily be done simpler with later Decorate functions, same for Zero Tolerance.

ZScript is potentially atomic in power, but the good old bundle of dynamite which is Decorate still has a pretty damn fucking potent yield even by modern standards.

Do you want to do mods or maps? Those are two very different things.

>>9832723
>bundle of dynamite
What's the best Blood dynamite bundle weapon mod for GZDoom? That thing has an orgasmic feel and feedback to it.

I don't need any community, I've got my /vr/os right here

im getting my ass handed by the 25th ACU on nightmare

>>9832789
This. All major forums become some annoying circlejerk filled with awful people.
This place can have some absolute shitheads too, but at least you can have a decent conversation if you stay on topic.

>>9832792
Is it good? I'm thinking of taking a break from the solid two month Quake 1 spree I've been on and shooting some Strogg might be what I need.

>>9832436
played the Bloom campaign with gunbonsai recently.

levels weren't the greatest but it was fun building an auto shotgun.

>>9832793
Yeah, you might find out someone is a groomer and then get banned from a community you've been part of for 20 years.

>>9832728
I'm too retarded for doing either regardless, but would love to see someone bored enough to make a "remixed remake" of all those ancient shovelware addons for Quake1 (Q!zone, Q2, Aftershock, LevelMaster 5, DarkHour, etc.) in a popular content compilation mod like VR or AD (maybe even Keep once it gains traction)

>>9832793
rpgcodex is based

Where's QUAKKER anon? E1M1 was done, right? I just got into Quake and I'm curious how it's going.

imagine an actual smb port by id was released, not just smb3.
Fucking Nintendo.

>>9831569
No idea, but if you ever figure it out, you can post here. I'd love to play it.

>>9832615
Love it, great explosion of colors.
>>9832798
It's super solid. If you already liked Q2 you'll have a great time, and the gameplay changes are wonderful.

>>9832934
>It's super solid. If you already liked Q2 you'll have a great time, and the gameplay changes are wonderful.
I'm trying to run it, but for some reason the install instructions don't result in anything playable. I've done this countless times for Quake 1, but it doesn't seem interesting in working. I've copied both expansions into the folder and renamed one to prevent overwriting, but any console commands to run it either result in the game not responding to it or some weird lefthanded version of The Reckoning.

>>9829748
>shitty devs kill

>>9831194
>That's just Trent Reznor gargling on a microphone.
That narrows it down to every sound in the game

>>9827549
Sorry to cut things short, but I'm no longer going to be hosting Sunday Night Shitshow. I don't have any speeches or heartfelt goodbyes to make, you can simply consider this a resignation notice.

Thanks to guys who recommended Unrattled and Zero Brightness. Any other recent wads that work well with Hideous Destructor?

>>9829984
I'm an autistic Sonic fan
My favorite is Sonic Robo Blast 2, go figure

>>9832934
There is extended version of this map which got cut from release, you need to look for Chris Moyer in doom projects subforum of doomer boards.

>>9830617
>I know Chop is not dead
Actually, I just killed him.

>>9832960
I regret that I missed out on all the last ones due to severe scheduling conflicts
May we play again some day doombros
fug u mac

>>9832960
Good luck, and godspeed.

>>9831820
They remind me of those orbs you carry around in Rayman 2

is there a mod that turns doom into a rts?

>>9832960
Hey, take it easy and thanks for the games!

>>9832146
Word, thanks.

>>9832970
Rest in pepperoni.

>>9832436
Trying all of dr_cosmobyte's mods. All weaker than vanilla weapons but for the most part not in a way that feels bad to play
However the 7 slot rifle in Nightmare Logic (one of the few mods that has one) gets a measly 1 ammo from some plasma pickups, and that one strictly single target shot does a measly 480 damage, Technically what you'd get on average from 20 cells with the vanilla plasma gun, but the mod's own plasma gun gets 40 cells from a pickup with better damage variance than normal. You would hope that a hyped up anti materiel rifle would at LEAST make a vanilla hell knight go byebye without any extra buttering up, if not a bigger demon
That at the original pistol, somewhere between the pistol and chaingun in a vacuum, has no competitive edge over the other 2 starting weapons, the magnum oneshots imps and the smg gets more bullets. The knight playerclass that starts with the default pistol would've been viable in older versions of the mod where the rifle doesn't drop from shotgun pickups and only knight has it, but that sounds like even more of a balance nightmare
Those gripes aside, decent weapon set for wads that don't expect you to hold down the rocket launcher or BFG for more than 5 seconds straight, and interesting for being literally a megabyte big

>>9832436
i was gonna try out Half Life MMod one of these days

>>9832520
Reminder you can play any vanilla based Quake 1 map with AD's chaos mode and it's fun as fuck.

>>9832947
Took me a couple (or more) tries too. You have to load the start map manually (map techbase0). If that still doesn't work, here's my installation: https://litter.catbox.moe/o7sv3k.7z
You can run start_Q225ACU.cmd and that should work for sure. The configs are stored in My Documents (not included) so if you get a tiny clipped window just alt+enter so you can use the menu.

>>9829984
Aside from shooters, I like the Puyo series and the related Madou Monogatari series.

Does anyone know how to reach the red armor secret in "The Living End" without rocket jumping? I doubt anyone even knows what secret I am talking about but I might as well ask.

>>9833032
>red armor
doesn't exist

>>9832947
delete the config file anon
let yamagi or any source port create a new one

>>9832984
Closest thing I can think of is ZDoom Wars.

I don't know if it's because I'm so used to the old Quake sounds, but the remaster audio sounds really sharp and crispy.

>>9831194
As I understand most of the actual voices of Ranger was Reznor, with a few grunts and coughs by Romero, while a lot of the original sound effects were created by American doing amateur Foley.

and I mean that in a bad way. It's painful to listen to.

also there's a bunch of sounds that didn't get updated and its really noticable

>>9833076
I can't think of a quake sound that I find grating though. It might just be because I grew up hearing them tho.

>>9833073
Same. I forget what it was but one of the sounds was literally painful to my ears. I think the problem is we're used to the old sounds that are more bass-y, while the new ones have more treble. This issue has happened with other remasters too.

>>9833016
I've got it kind of working now, but why are all the guns left handed now? It's really weird.

>>9833092
I axe stuff randomly like when running down halls or waiting for lifts and that one was particularly bad on the ears.

>>9833041
The jump from the last piece of wall with a light in it is possible, but I don't know how to get up there. Normally I just rocket jump from where I stand in the pic.

>>9833016
Must be my machine. Even your install didn't work for me, so I guess I'll be giving this one a miss.

>>9833106
Looks like a different living end, lmao.

>>9833153
It's a remake of the one you are thinking about.

>>9832569
Breakfast at Twilight by hrimfaxi
Sorry I did not see your post earlier

>>9832746
>That thing has an orgasmic feel and feedback to it
Aside from perfect timing & throw force ratio, I think Blood's dynamite is satisfying due to the way game handles explosions. It's not your simple "calculate the distance, apply momentum" from Quake, you can feel the blast wave gradually pushing things.
I wish to know how they work exactly, but have no idea where to look in source code.

>>9831284
>Do you like Doom?
>Do you like maps people make for Doom?
>Do you feel like it would be fun to make maps for Doom?
If your answer to all of these answers is "Yes!", then I think the answer is obvious. Replace maps with mods to get the same answer for gameplay mods and what not.

Consider that making maps for Doom is fairly easy, especially with modern tools like Slade and Ultimate Doombuilder, which are flexible and easy to use. MBF21 is an overall feature rich and powerful map format that's easy to grasp, and if you want to bother with its extended and more useful DeHacked, then the DecoHack utility makes that very easy to do. You of course also have the advantages of UMAPINFO, and then we have the ZDoom side, where you have the infinite flexibility of UDMF format, along with Decorate and ZScript.
There's many good and useful resources for this too.

tl;dr if it seems like a fun idea, try it, you can plain just noodle away at little experiments at your own pace, maybe you'll come up with something cool

So, I'm about to release an MBF21 wad with a lot of decorations. Problem is, I made them 16 units tall, same as original, but that means in gzDoom you can just walk over them. Which is a problem.
I assume what I should do now is to convert decohack code into decorate, but I never worked with decohack before and thus I'm not sure what do I need to change.

And do I need to change custom monsters? They already have normal height, so probably not, right?

>>9833207
I'm assuming you'd need to increase their height.

>>9833212
Yes. But only for perverts who play like this in gzDoom.

>>9833207
Just make the decoration as tall as like, the big brown tress, or whatever, that'll cover everything. Monsters and players don't move over those things anyway with 'infinitely tall' monsters.

>>9833219
See, the thing is big brown trees are 20 units tall (I was wrong saying they are 16, but I was close). If they are the right height, they'll start catching projectiles, which is not supposed to happen unless you play on gzDoom where they are as tall as sprites or so.

>>9832960
With Friday and Sunday night gone,are you stopping the karting hosting as well ?

>>9833095
No clue what happened but “hand 0” in the console makes it right handed. I’m insane so for me ctrl is “hand 1” and alt is “hand 0”. “Hand 2” centers but also hides the viewmodel.

>>9830260
YOOOO AVP2 was pretty good alrightYEAH

Marine campaign was a lot of fun, but I think AVP1 xenos are a lot scarier.

>>9832469
>Vanilla-compatibility
Which is exactly why I wanted to do this.

>>9831058
Is that CS_office remade for UT99 ?
I unironically love those "iconic map X from game Y recreated in game Z" kind of endavours

>>9833253
Well that's exactly how it works in Q2, unless you'd hack it and provide centered weapon viewmodels with animation frames for the engine to work with (and they would need the same ammount of frames of animation as the left/right-haned ones, or else they'd fire/reload/cycle faster due to how the RoF of a weapon in Q2 is tied to the lenght of its firing animation cycle, same deal with cycling between weapons)

>>9833297
Hell yes, I can play it through some of my favorite Q2 things ever like Ceberon Plaguemaker, Brutal Base, and the Sonic Mayhem unit. Also love ya

What are some retro FPS map tropes you like?

>lone weak enemy is actually just bait for you to fire and alert a big guy or horde

>>9832960
If someone were wanting to do something like this was it just standard VPS hosting?

Regular boomer shooters are fine and all, but I'm graduating to harder stuff now - CONSOLE boomer shooters with mouse injections.

>>9833354
>Build engine games putting explosions and explodable walls everywhere
>A difficult section that is barely beatable unless you explore more and find a powerup that makes it doable
>Game throws a horde of weak enemies at you while also giving you a great weapon or a powerup

>>9833326
I cannot take that credit for myself, though.
The coding was done by a few folks who decided to help out and make a difference, and what a difference they made.

>>9833273
I'd agree here, though I still enjoyed AVP2 way more, they really nailed all of the campaigns with maybe the predator one being the weakest in the later stages of it.

>>9833438
>>A difficult section that is barely beatable unless you explore more and find a powerup that makes it doable
I hate that because sometimes i just brute force my way through and then find the powerup afterwards.

>>9833354
I like it when you can see the exit from the starting area.

Toaster anons, I'm sorry.
Actually it's just not VIS'd yet.

>>9833354
>Secret under elevator
>Secret behind waterfall
>Windy road leading to a huge structure
>Derelict but still in use
>Circular/non-linear traversal design
>Gimmick to show off their latest and greatest technology

>>9833476
shib8 sends his regards

>>9833496
oh

>>9833496
A truly optimized mess of brushes

>>9833006
Nightmare Logic is pretty good. The extra weapons pack helps a little with damage dealing, but I usually play it with Project Malice and CustomDoom, so I'm able to tweak the damage values as needed anyway.

>>9833354
>>9833471
>exit you can see from early in the map
>secret area you can see, but have to figure out how to reach
>secret EXIT you can see, but have to figure out how to reach
>secret side areas which aren't just treasure and cool stuff, but more monsters to fight
>secret area which requires a key, and said key being found in its own secret area
>secrets within secrets

>>9833430
a big chunk of the classic pc shooters are barely worth playing, let alone the console ones.

>>9833430
Goldeneye was easy enough with modern stick controls, I can't imagine it would pose any bit of difficulty at all with a mouse.

>>9833642
It would probably translate reasonably well considering the N64 analog stick sorta works a bit like a mouse, which is why had great fine precision, until you played Mario Party.

>>9833659
I mean, the game would be ridiculously easy.

>>9833354
Invulnerability. No skill, no challenge, just go ham on the monsters that usually wreck you

>>9833642
I tested it with the M+K hack and it seemed ridiculously easy even at the highest difficulty, you can literally walk in a straight line towards any enemy and not get hit. Maybe it gets tougher in the later levels.

Tellus Terminus (first level on the left on the starting floor) is way too long and doesn't do other Alkaline levels justice

>>9833642
Timesplitters 2 is a similar era but a bit later (with the freelook-but-autoaim) and desu on Hard its annoying even with mouse aiming. The injected mouse is kind of shitty but it feels made for a controller with autoaim (and maxxing the levels for efficiency).

Unfortunate because Normal is too easy with a mouse.

>>9832723
I'm still blown away by what mods like Dakka and DRLA do without having access to zscript.

>Tellus Terminus (first level on the left on the starting floor) is way too long and doesn't do other Alkaline levels justice
I thought it was alright, or it didn't feel long at least. It also had some decent non-linearity compared to the other main hub levels. Interesting and odd choice not too include any explosives.
>>9833642
It and Perfect Dark are very fun and translate very well to mouse, but are far from difficult.
>>9833454
Agreed, you all did a phenomenal job. Thank you guys for everything!

>>9832960
>>9827549

I say a heartfelt speech is appropriate. These guys deserve it for giving us their weekends to hang out and make memories with us.
So here goes for you boys,

I live under such a massive boulder, and will continue to do so that I really couldn't care less about what's going on out there, but I'm glad we could make it a better place while we did.

Now I thank you guys on 4chan for joining and playing, and having all that fun together while it lasted.
We are very blessed that we could make this little forum a better place even for just a moment, and that through it we inspired new bonds, friendships, and original /vr/ content.

Kudos to Mac also, it was together we got the ball rolling, and without him I would have ended it a long time ago.
I know he really enjoyed playing, laughing, and making stuff with you guys even if he wont tell you himself.

Still, everything in this world is temporary. That includes our dumb little servers.
Mac doesn't want to run the servers anymore, the Doom Community is in a time of great shamefulness, and I'm moving on with my life to bigger and better things.
I hope you brothers do the same, and that you can search for the love of Christ which we were able by grace to share a mere reflection of.

Godspeed /vr/-bros, and God bless. May you live on to greater heights, and carry the spirit of community and brotherly love wherever God takes you. Amen.

>>9833354
I love when ambushes are just perfectly setup so that infighting between enemies happens almost immediately, giving the player a bit more time and freedom to react.
Also, when you can take a route that loops around behind an ambush, and you counter-ambush the enemies.

>>9833617
>first level of Wolf3D
>secret
>within a secret
>within a secret
>second secret contains secret exit

pure soul

>>9833354
>Author is aware his level is a tedious collectathon full of backtracking so he inserts an exit mid-level.
>Author also implements my favorite trope, which is re-populating the level with different monster classes for backtracking.

alk_mania gave me a lot of mixed feelings. While the level was kind of ugly with dodgy texture work, he had the guts to balance the monster count and finite ammo pick ups. A lot of beautiful levels in Alkaline rely on re-generating health and ammo, which in my opinion, is lazy level design.

>>9833240
The server is up right now

>>9833719
Yeah. I always loved that.

>>9833738
>regenerating health and ammo
what's the consensus on this desu? To me it always feels like they were too lazy to balance the drops with the enemies or wanted to make a slaughter map without worrying about drops

>>9833240
>>9833707
I guess that answers it. If I had known that would be the last one, I would have taken time-off from work to play a last time with you guys.
I hope this news doesn't discourage the anons that talked about doing another community project while waiting for 94 protons
It's gonna be bittersweet to see this mentioned in the news post in future threads. Godspeed to everyone who made something or played something here.
I hope this has nothing to do with the zdf hellhole.

>>9833792
It's a crutch used by designers who never learned proper health pack placement. It also encourages the player to play like a bitch because any damage is guaranteed to be ignored if the player can find a good enough hiding spot.

>>9833668
>go ham on the monsters that usually wreck you
Same but with quad damage. Still have to not die tho which leads to keeping your composure and using it on the right enemies

>>9833792
Depends on how it's dished out. The fights in here got hard as fuck even with them. The alternative could be having a limited but assload of them placed around, so there's at least less clutter and less chance of my dumbass backing into a line of nailboxes while firing.

>>9832984
The Reconquest

>>9833792
It feels like the designer doesn't have enough confidence in their mapping skill or the player's combat skill, so they throw down regenerating items as a thoughtless failsafe against running out of supplies. Losing health or ammo stops being an issue of worrying about conserving resources and more worrying about stalling a fight until supplies comes back. There's also the player inclination to just sit and wait for 5 minutes while slowly rebuilding their stack and getting bored in the process because they don't have much of an incentive to push forward when they can just cheese your laziness.

>>9833792
>regenerating health and ammo
keep it in multiplayer, please.

>>9833853
I should add that the idea can definitely work well, but it requires the map to be majorly designed around it, and there should be some sort of indicator that these certain items respawn. It's weird when there's a map with generic ammo boxes everywhere like you'd expect, and some of them just arbitrarily come back.

>>9829891
There's a lot of weirdness in this mod, but AMC Squad has a kickass Doom 64-styled mission in here 64anon. I'd check it out even with all the weird OCs and their voice acting.
>>9833861
I think messing with the ammo caps could help, especially for nails. That got mentioned last thread too, I think.

At what point do you think this map has too many mobs?
Pushing past 200 feels like a drag sometimes and 300+ feels like overkill

>>9833907
Mobs? This isnt minecraft buddy

>>9833907
That all depends on what game "this map" is from.
>3000 enemies in Serious Sam fight: kick ass, thanks
>3000 bots join your UT server: what the hell happened

>>9833670
Enemies on early levels are pretty easy, but difficulty does ramps up later on. But mostly it's either too easy or a complete bullshit.

>>9833642
I refuse to even try to get used to playing shooters on stick on principle. It's Satan's plaything.

>>9833932
I just played the Xbox version because I already had Rare Replay.

>>9833936
You should've played Rapelay instead.

>>9833929
>3000 bots join your UT server: what the hell happened
Top kek

>>9833173
Raze is not demo-accurate but after their refactor to modern C++ it is a lot easier than reading GDX or NBlood code.
https://github.com/ZDoom/Raze/blob/b803a8299d27ad9f963c1a38b9066cbd61797981/source/games/blood/src/actor.cpp#L5714

Read through actCheckExplosion() and ConcussSprite()

>>9833907
Since you didn't post a map, I'll say it all has to do with the context. How much space is the player given? What monsters are being spawned? 100 Imps in a big open field is going to play out a lot differently than 100 Cyberdemons in a shoebox.

>popular doom mod dev is a pedo
who'da thunk?

>>9833873
I remember hearing about the AMC Squad a while back and had no idea what it was about. Just skimmed through a gameplay video and I still have no idea what the fuck is going on. Is it a TC for Duke? Or just a mod, or just a general Build engine game? Looks like there's a lot of shit going on.

Quake and Arcade Dimensions noob here
Is this the intended way to reach secrets / intentional design?
And are AD secrets ever meant to be reached with rocket jumps or even grenade jumps (when you don't have the rocket)?

>>9834012
forgot bideo

>>9834014
I haven't played that map in forever, but I think there's a different way to get there.

>>9833430
Real maniacs play Goldeneye with one controller in each hand.

>>9833907
If the map takes more than 10 minutes to beat split it into two or cut out the switch hunting

>>9833997
So far it's been a super elaborate Duke3D-styled TC with a fuckload of playable characters all with silly voice acting that's way more polished and and good than I expected.
I'm stunned and still processing it myself.

>>9833929
>300 kleer and only a double barrel? Splendid.