/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263#p9611406

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/vr/image/1681/53/1681537308586.png

=== NEWS ===
Re: Mobilize Quake mod announced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZOgpGb6YM0

[4-11] Doomer Boards projects compiled (01-57) (04-11-2023) (With latest fixes to Shatter Realm)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n9j77ptkec5md

[4-10] A 7-map demo of "Of Myth Relinquished" for Heretic is out
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134628

[4-9] Slayers Testaments for Quake trailer released
[YouTube] SLAYERS TESTAMENTS || Full Release Quake mod trailer (embed)

[4-9] Descent is getting a DXX-based raytraced build
[YouTube] Descent Raytraced Announcement Trailer (embed)

[4-9] The Quake 2 25th Anniversary Collaborative Unit is here!
https://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/Quake225ACU.zip

[4-6] New E4 inspired episode for Quake
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/the-spiritworld.208/

[4-3] Wad Scorecard v1.6 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/133645

[4-2] What is Health? RC1 released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134785

[4-2] Raze 1.7.0 released
https://github.com/ZDoom/Raze/releases/tag/1.7.0

[4-2] Anon shares a map about finding the lost 94 Protons release build
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vww5Y1FKFayLAN3mDGuOdbTg5WMIjZf_/view?usp=share_link

[4-1] Cripsy 6.0 released, now supporting Strife
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/crispy-doom/releases/tag/crispy-doom-6.0

[4-1] Slade updated to 3.2.2.
https://github.com/sirjuddington/SLADE/releases/tag/3.2.2

[4-1] VALORANT: Antivax Edition released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134769

[3-28] Doom Master Wadazine #20 is out
https://wadazine.com/portofolio/

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thoughts on dumptruck_ds? does he really have a huge ass

After playin Dwell 1 & 2 followed by a bunch of other random quake maps, i realized what made the former so great. It has anti-cheese measures. Like every fight in the episode im playing now can just be cheesed because the AI is so retarded, they cant follow you through doors or up stairs and their hitboxes are so hueg you can aim at the air next to them from behind cover. Epochs Of Emnity, pretty maps but its getting boring. In Dwell, they design the levels smartly so you rarely have a safe place to camp, they spawn in enemies behind you, and they use trigger_monsterjump everywhere to help enemies get to you unexpectedly. Pretty much every time i tried to cheese, i got countered and forced to actually fight bravely. The combat is just so much more engaging than the average map.

>>9822895
Pretty sexy architecture desu.

>>9822869
>FIREBLU in Quake
What kind of devilry is that?

>>9822895
Teleporting stuff right behind you is shitty though.
I think Dwell has some very pretty maps but the mod itself is too obsessed with "gotcha" moments and I didn't find it as fun as the other big name mods.

>>9822874
He's kind of an idiot
>Makes a ton of videos making it easier to get into Quake mapping
>It attracts a bunch of zoomer egomaniacs into the community
>Said egomaniacs are going out of their way to censor and sanitize everything to their own insane liking
>dumptruck has the nerve to take a stand against them when they do the inevitable cancellation spree on the old guard even though he's responsible for this shit
Honestly, not impressed with him in the slightest. He also rarely makes videos anyway, his Alkaline "review" was footage of him playing like a girl and eating enemy attacks that a novice could dodge and was only about ten minutes long.
I don't think there are any good or bigtime Quake youtubers in all fairness, so that's a niche someone could try and fill if they gave a damn.

Is pistol starting a thing in Quake?

>decino will be streaming part two of Ancient Aliens today
I'm honestly looking forward to it. Now the boring secret levels are done it's all the good shit from here on.

>>9823195
No, because it hasn't got a pistol :^)

>>9823197
>looking forward to somebody streaming a game
wake up

>>9823215
I'm not some zoomer, I've played Ancient Aliens before and enjoyed it.
But I also enjoy seeing people who are good at Doom playing my favourite levels and seeing how they handle the harder parts, what's your problem with this?

>>9823215
I'm too lazy to play games but I want to see what they are like.

You all should go and play Shadow Warrior right now. With this community and streamer talk going on you definitly need some Wang in your life.

>>9823229
>Build engine
Ew, no.

Hello friends, retard here.
I am trying to get my fren into Doom and we want to play Multiplayer. However, I have the game since quite some time ago on Steam and as such my version includes the TNT and Plutonia levels, whereas currently, steam sells Doom only with E4 included. Will this be an issue?
Also, how do you set up multiplayer? I recall needing to use either GZDoom or ZDaemon but I forgot and I am quite the doofus when it comes to these things...
Thanks in advance!

>>9822870
Notes for new baker:
>[4-2] Anon shares a map about finding the lost 94 Protons release build
You can remove _/view?usp=share_link from the link

>Restore lost links
[4-9] Slayers Testaments for Quake trailer released
https://youtu.be/RkrXeQdQLCs

[4-9] Descent is getting a DXX-based raytraced build
https://youtu.be/Q970jljMTNk

>Fix latest entry, add date and short url
[4-12] Re: Mobilize Quake mod announced
https://youtu.be/KZOgpGb6YM0

I think /tag/version from github links can also be removed if you hit character limit

>>9823206

>>9823234
The quirks and hackery going on in Build is exactly what makes it so unique and magical.

>>9823240
The most straightforward way to get started playing online is with Zandronum. Doomseeker can be used to browse servers, though most of the populated servers lately are all heavily modded.

>>9823234
>Shadow Warrior
good
>Douk
good
>Blood
bad

>>9823247
I just find Build games to be kind of annoying to play for some reason. They tend to have great enemies and weapons, but something feels off.

>>9822895
I was impressed. I went in with low expectations, especially with the first map that opens it up that's just alright. Now it may be my favorite newer Quake thing since VRumble. What's your favorite episode 1 level? Episode 2 was great but the "Egypt-meets-fleshgod" aesthetic really sings to me.

>>9823257
How did you make such a high quality webm?

>>9823253
They are all good anon. Bad games don't survive for decades unless they are memeable.
>>9823254
I only ever got this feeling with Redneck Rampage. But that game is a shitshow.

>>9823252
He could also try Odamex with its integrated server browser, no gameplay mods to speak of. For personal server he'd need to fiddle with config file a little, it comes with a folder brimful of config samples for reference and use.

>Doom
Best enemies
>Blood
Best atmosphere
>Shadow Warrior
Best gameplay
>Quake
Best multiplayer

>>9823195
Not with the original levels, if you didn't find and pick up a weapon in a level, you will almost never find it in a later level in an episode, you were expected to play them from the start and then continue through.

>>9823252
>>9823279
So I used this guide and installed some things, is anyone here willing to give Doom 1's first episode a go? We can play through the entire thing, we can play for just a bit but I just want to check that it works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjEmlNJ4oQQ&t=90s

>>9823302
>Hexen
Best puzzles

>>9823326
"Puzzles"

>>9823318
I don't understand, why is my HUD suddenly so empty and why can I move my mouse vertically?
FFS I just want to play Classc Doom online and that's it, we can install mods later on....

>>9823302
Heretic got better enemies than Doom.
Now go dance with Iron Liches, Ophidians and Maulotaurs
>>9823326
There are barely any proper puzzles. It's a great contender for the best atmosphere though.

>>9823271
Webm for Exceptional Individuals Like Myself/Retards
>>9823331
There's like...two? I guess that makes it best? Not much competition honestly.

>>9823359
What map? I'm assuming this is the Alkaline Jam.

>>9823359
>There's like...two? I guess that makes it best? Not much competition honestly.
There's a decent amount of competition, just play more old FPS games.
Starting with it's sequel, Hexen 2.

>>9823359
Hedon might be a better choice. That is if you count GZ based games as their own games.

>>9823360
Brutalist one actually. I never finished it but what I played was good. I haven't messed with the Alkjam yet.
>>9823371
>That is if you count GZ based games as their own games.
Of course. I need to check it out at some point.

>>9823367
>Hexen 2
I can't believe how much better Hexen 2 is than Hexen. One is a slog, two is a blast.

>>9823379
Hexen 2 gameplay is better, but the first one got better atmosphere and never tried to bullshit me, like Egyptian hub of Hexen 2 did.

Play Shadow Warrior.
Grease your Wang. Randy would like that.

>>9823386
>never tried to bullshit me
Did we play the same Hexen anon?

>>9823409
Okay, okay, Heresiarch's Seminary was slightly iffy with introduction of pushable walls and stuff like that. But that's barely any worse than finding Forgotten Chapel in Blackmarsh and other than that it's more or less straightforward, if you don't overthink it.
There isn't anything even remotely close to the Wheel of Ages.

GOOD MORNING MOTHERFUCKERS. IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY! What the fuck have you been working on? Maps, mods, sprites? Now's a good time to post that shit!

>>9823458
I'm drawing a parias

>>9823458
Nearly done with all the art I need for the trailer, then I just need to make the damn thing and get the update out.

>>9823458
Mapping
Can I remove a flickering sector effect that's there at map load??

>>9823467
That looks awesome.

>>9823473
Thank you, admittedly I just drew over Bill Rizer from Contra 3 but I'm still pleased with how Arti's helmet turned out. Even if I think him facing sideways like this is cursed.

>>9823476
Ah, Contra. I got Metal Slug vibes from that, but that explains a lot. Keep up the awesome work!

>>9816618
I've decided to retire Friday Night Firefight. Deathmatch just doesn't pull in enough players to make it worth hosting anymore. /vr/ Kart is now running from Monday through Saturday, leaving room for Sunday Night Shitshow. We'll still have WNW, the server is just running in the background now.
I've added stat tracker to the kart server again, so if anyone would like to test if that works, that would be appreciated.

Why is my Server not visible on Zandronum/Doomseeker... I've Port Forwarded but my friend can't see it :(

>>9823458
https://youtu.be/JALq8eUc2fw
I finished coding the munitaur boss this week and made a video showing 4 bosses I made. I also think I have a concept for the last one.

>>9823514
>having friends

>>9823514
I'm gonna leave this here as a last ditch effort if you can't figure out self-hosting. https://allfearthesentinel.com/

:|

>>9823552
>when your 4070 refuses to work 10% faster than a 3080

>>9823552
Yeah, I found that thing after a huge secret hunt too. It's almost annoying, isn't it?

>Mod starts out fine,simplistic and sleek
>Author keeps adding feature after feature
>Keeps adding things that nobody really asked for or bullshit custom enemies/weapons with no options to toggle it off
>Doesnt keep old versions of the mod anywhere else, they are gone for food

Been playing wads with freedoom lately as sort of experiment and I've grown some serious appreciation for the textures. I know the mission statement is to make them legally distinct and interchangeable but they just appear unreasonably fresh for some reason. I'm definitely going to be using them in lieu or in addition to the originals.

It's a bit scummy to complain about a project like freedoom but there's just so much graphical inconsistency about the monster sprites that are hard to get around to. The pinkie replacing worm is fantastic and my brain completely accepts it as a pinkie and it's a cool fucking sprite in it's own right. Imp, Caco, Archvile I like the most and despite being different I can enjoy them, rest of the cast I find varying degrees of jarring with sometimes weird proportions, sometimes fidgety sprite animations or styles so varied they look like from different games. The revenant replacement is just pitch black and stealthier than spectres! That could be so easily fixed if they changed the color scheme just a little bit.

>>9823565
it was a huge waste of time, I kept thinking it was the exit to a secret level.

>>9823568
Freedoom is to uncanny for me personally. But glad you enjoy it anon.

>>9823567
>they are gone for food

>>9823582
in my defense the g and f keys are right next to each other

>>9823597
So are mine, you gucking gaffot.

>>9823576
Uncanny is a word I was probably looking for at some point there. And yes it is uncanny to me too but the pink demon worm is the single exception that doesn't provoke any sort of reaction of the sort.

>>9823597
Fair, fair, I don't even blink at typos that are obviously next to each other but when someone types something so catastropwically far apart it's like wtf nigga.

>>9823530
Thank you very much.
Does skill level 3 correspond to UV? And is it possible to set the max number of lives that the two of us can share and once that number is zero, we have to restart the Map?

>>9823619
Skill 3 is UV by default, yes. Some mods change this, but that's how it is most of the time. sv_maxlives sets the amount of lives.

>>9823458
Started M3 of my Final Fantasy Doom expansion: Fort Zeakden. I need to grab reference images for the original battle map before I continue on, but like with Orbonne Monastery, I plan on taking extensive creative liberties with this one.
I asked somebody else for some help with spritework because I'm too fucking lazy, and I'm hoping to rope another contributor into doing a bit more sprite work. (FF Doom doesn't come with Caco or Barrel replacements, both of which I want to include in the three-map demo release of this project.)

https://ai-meme.com/
Let's make some retro FPS memes, /vr/

>>9823170
That one room in Blood 2 that spawns an enemy in front of you and then teleports another one behind you while you're distracted fighting the first one.
Fuck that game.

Episode 2 of Dwell is leagues better than Episode 1, but I can't help but feel its let down by the shitty custom monsters (a common mod issue) and its obsession with Serious Sam style arena fights (complete with the kamikazes)
But in terms of atmosphere and music? I'm yet to see anything better.
I just wish they didn't use Copper. It adds fuck all and just means having no lightning ammo and the chance for a Shambler to ignore the dance to fuck you over. A hot take I know, but if Dwell used AD or even the original settings I'd be having more fun with it.

>>9823628
>wants to make memes
>memes are recognizable things from popular games and shit
>picks strife
>"popular"
Hey, got nothing against strife my man, but it's not very memeable.

>mod adds custom weapon
>it's the only one not centered

>>9823628
Huh

>>9823568
The revenant got a replacement recently, it's this armored tentacle dude now.

redpill me on dwell, is it like bad or actually good? looking to expand my collection (I dont like single maps because i fear if i like it too much then i get depressed when there isnt more of it)

>>9823649
Yeah, people like that shit. Dunno why. I always found it easier to aim with centred weapons.

>>9823651
Disgusting.

Sauce?

>>9823656
It's good, and I say this as someone who doesn't care for Copper in the slightest.
The Serious Sam Kamikazes are silly and out of place, and the modders even admit in the Quaddicted comments section that they were overused, which they are.
In terms of gameplay the maps range from amazing to kind of obnoxious, but they all look utterly fantastic and the music is 10/10.

Some people are claiming it's the best thing ever done in Quake, but I strongly suspect those are the mappers friends, because while it is very good it's not going to win over many people outside of the retro FPS circles.
Download and play it, but be warned it's harder than you might be used to. I normally play on hard and had to knock it down to medium. Some of the traps are downright meanspirited.

>>9823656
Oh, and while the new rotary shotgun looks cool I'm not a fan of how it fires in bursts of four and then stops for a second. I get they wanted their own AD style widowmaker but I feel it'd be more fun if it just fired as long as you held down the mouse.

>>9823668
>>9823671
Does it need copper? i saw no mention of that on the page or readme, i already have copper installed but i cant tell if its an actual dependency of the dwell mod itself

>>9823673
Copper comes pre-installed with it, so you don't need to worry.
I'd say Episode 2 is far, far better than Episode 1 which started strong but devolved into kind of a mess. The problem with Dwell is it's essentially a Coppertone Jam with a high opinion of itself, so you're going to get some maps by the usual suspects who make utter slogs, bringing down the overall quality. But the highs are really high.

>>9823656
It's good. I don't talk about Quake much elsewhere, and it ended up being a lot better than I expected. That ended up working to its benefit. I couldn't really relate to the ammo concerns, or of too many cheap fights.
>>9823673
It comes with it already installed, it's not like Underdark.

>>9823646
It's funny how my opinion is the complete opposite of yours. The Egyptian style of the first episode was much more to my taste and the kamikazes are my favorite thing about the second episode.

>>9823682
i will give it try, currently organizing all my stuff so i can fucking actually play some games instead of autistically deleting stuff every free day i have
>>9823689
>It comes with it already installed, it's not like Underdark.
Oh,Thank you for the info!

>>9823646
I hated how the crystal things were introduced underwater where you can't really dodge.
It's such a shitty and amateur thing to do. Made me glad I was playing on normal so I could tank the bullshit damage.

>>9823653
I swear they rejected this sprite before, because it was a Terminator edit or something

>>9823240
>Will this be an issue
Nah. Current Steam package includes Final DOOM stuff at least through the Add-on thing. You might be fine with using re-release's online features, but I'm not familiar with those and go with source ports would be better in the long run anyway.
>>9823326
Yes.
>>9823459
I think mace needs more work. Parias looks great though.
>>9823467
Neat.

>it's another wad that uses the eyeless pinky sprite episode
yawn

>>9823653
I'll give that one a shot as well. Looks nice at glance, has some of the same colors going as the revenant and looks taller than the previous dark warrior. Although perhaps not very consistent stylistically again.

Another thing that feels slightly off are some of the monster sounds. Most are different but acceptable, but Freedoom equivalents of hell nobles are pretty lacking. The originals have very distinct, sharp, angry and satisfying shouts whereas the Freedoom equivalents feel more like murmurs that are drowned out by other sounds.

>>9823491
Stat tracker works. Rejoice.

Why does GZDoom make Heretic look great, but does nothing to my Doom game?

/vr/ could do a better FreeDoom than FreeDoom.

>>9823567
project brutality? or something for quake?

>>9823828
it applies to many things anon

>>9822895
This. Beyond beautiful architecture, Dwell has the true Quake spirit. Many mappers forget they are making Quake maps and just add stuff they like. Packs like Dwell will always be superior to kitchen sinks like Arcane Dimensions or "official" borefests like Dimension of the Machine.

>>9823815
That'd be one hell of a project but pretty legendary if it ever came about. It's a whole boatload of assets if one is to stick with the philosophy of everything from scratch and careful design having everything least uncanny and most faithful as possible.

>>9823628

>>9823835
But Dwell is basically a "kitchen sink" for all the retarded shit it added in too.

>>9823840
I think it would be doable if we still had the anon who made HFFM's monsters around.

>>9823692
I used to really like Egyptian stuff but ive played a lot of Egyptian quake maps now, so the more unique lovecraftian/aquatic ruins style of E2 was refreshing.

Tell me how to become a Doom modder who'll release his own game in 5 years on Steam for the low price of 9.99€ or I'll just start learning the guitar.

>>9823845
He's more interested in making a new game.

>>9823848
prepare those dicksucking lips and go ask zdoom forums

enjoy the guitar

>>9823848
You just make an asset flip and give some weapons secondary fires. That's what all the games are doing these days.

>>9823692
I just didn't like how the last few levels of the first episode became an utter mess. That really vertical map is just gibberish with random teleports everywhere. I guess they were going for Lovecraftian architecture, but in terms of gameplay it sucks ass.
I really wanted to like Dwell because it's a pretty and atmospheric mapset, but for everything it does right it then does something shitty and amateurish right after.
It doesn't help that it's being produced in an echo chamber where every single idea is held up as amazing so the modders can't get any real criticism and think they've made a masterpiece.

>>9823692
>>9823846
I liked a lot of the water fights in the second one. With all the water themes invariably leading to underwater shootouts, I was kind of worried they would suck. I still think I prefer the first episode, feels more "Quaky"?

>>9822870
Coincident has achieved the first ever non-TAS single segment run of Okuplok... on ITYTD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PP6iqrgIM8

>>9823848
Just look at hedon and hands of necromancy

>>9823867
>6 fucking hours

>>9823867
Impressive, but at the same time even I don't have time to watch all of this.

DECINO STREAM IN AN HOUR

>>9823868
>Hands of Necromancy
It's Hexen, but better.

>>9823628

>filters you for an assorted variety of reasons
I don't like the new look of the RoS pickup model but love how it works now, however no Cells drop from Enforcers is an inexcusable travesty

retard question here, I havent done my research but I've heard there are some source ports that can make Doom true 3D like Quake? Is this true?

>>9823857
>I just didn't like how the last few levels of the first episode became an utter mess
The reason this always happens is because every big mapping project like this just has to have the likes of Pinchy and Mazu involved, who always do their own thing regardless of what the theme of the project is about. Pinchy always does those un-Quakeish open levels with zero consideration to layout whereas Mazu can't restrain himself and always has to make something gigantic which ruins the pace of each pack.

>>9823898
>however no Cells drop from Enforcers is an inexcusable travesty
I never got the tism over this. Didn't they only appear in three maps in the original episodes?

That Shadow Warrior anon got started on replaying it right now.
Never played through Twin Dragon and Wanton Destruction. Are they worth it?

>>9823898
Tried getting some friends to play Dwell coop. In D1M1 the player carrying the first key died and it doesn't transfer over to another player. I don't know if its because Dwell is doing something fucky with Copper or what but I tested it on my own and the key just disappears which softlocks the level.

>>9823913
>I never got the tism over this. Didn't they only appear in three maps in the original episodes?
They're used extensively in mods. But surely mappers designed around enforces dropping cells. It's not like you ever have enough cells anyway.

>>9823929
sounds like an skill issue

>>9823928
They're good for more SW. Wanton Destruction changes the enemy sprites and voices to try to mix things up.
>>9823931
>They're used extensively in mods. But surely mappers designed around enforces dropping cells.
That doesn't seem like a bid deal since most mods have their own gameplay changes, making Copper incompatible anyways right? Reading the mod notes myself makes it seem like the ammo drop and pickup changes are more for making maps with it in mind, less for retroactive maps.

>>9823942
>This required a change to how keys work in cooperative play. Keys now disappear when picked up in coop just like in single-player, meaning whichever player grabbed it is the one who has to open the door with it. If that player dies or disconnects, held keys are automatically transferred to a different living player to ensure a map is never made impossible to finish by "losing" a key in an unreachable place.
at its core, yeah. but it goes against how copper themselves says it works

>>9823491
I guess people will just have to organize a match event when they wanna DM.

>Quake randomizer

https://www.reddit.com/r/quake/comments/q3d0mc/quake_randomizer_updated_for_the_quake_rerelease/

>>9824016
>zoomers are so uncreative that they turn Quake into a roguelike in order to be entertained

>>9824025
Randomizer mods have been popular since RE1, stop trying to so hard to fit in

>>9824025
you mean boomers? they are so tired of replaying the same (few) good maps over and over that a randomizer adds some element of freshness

Obsidian,Stop

>>9824030
>Randomizer mods have been popular since RE1
I thought it was a thing since at least A Link To The Past or this one came later?

>>9824058
I dont know who started it but capcom has offcially supported randomization in their early RE games. Which I guess triggered the rogue like autism in some people.

>>9823929
Were you playing on coop 1 or 2 setting?
The second mode makes guns and keys behave exactly like they did in vanilla Q1

>>9823912
>Bal makes a huge-ass map and its an awesome experience
>Mazu makes a huge-ass map and its an overdesigned slog
Seriously what gives?

>>9823978
Hey is this The Return mod?

>>9824103
It's Q2M https://www.moddb.com/mods/q2m-quake-2-weapons-for-quake
Just a weapon mod for vanilla stuff

>>9824074
I've tried both. The key transfer doesn't work on coop 1 and you don't spawn with the key in coop 2. Players are both on the same "team" (color).

>>9824074
in fact, coop 2 takes the key same as coop 1 when it shouldn't

>>9823848
Start mapping if you aren't already.
Figure out what makes the games "click" for you specifically.
Learn coding
Team up with an artist that can do spritework and someone for music / sounds
???
Profit

>>9823868
Yes, injection of TnA or some kind of sexy appeal or fetish influence is the secret spice.

>>9823458
Mostly just prep work at this point, but I said I'd show something.

>>9824093
Bal's maps don't feel like they were made with streamers in mind

https://github.com/itslunaranyo/copper/issues/14
Oh, nevermind. Turns out keys are fucked on copper. Sigh.

Concept works, stats like speed and whatnot might require some adjustment.

>7 maps of Heretic
Holy FUCK why don't people make more Heretic/Hexen content god damn

Lub me som Hertik bros let's goooo

>>9824189
>... then caco takes on his multi-armed form and says, 'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of doomguys.'

>>9824212
people (me) dont like switch hunting or puzzles

and hexen bestiary/heretic weapons are ass

>>9823898
Copper has a ton of good ideas, such as a Ring of Shadows that actually fucking does something, Vore balls losing thier homing ability once the caster is killed, piercing shotgun ammo and Half Life style drowning where you can get your health back if you stay surfaced for long enough after starting to drown.
But it also nerfed the SNG, has a pathological hatred of the player having ammo for the fun guns, gave the Fiends a lifetime supply of Monster energy drinks, turned Enforcers into turrets while the modder complained about nightmare turning monsters into turrets, gave the Shamblers a chance of ignoring the Shambler Dance after two dodges and for some reason EVERY FUCKING MAPPER thinks this mod is the greatest thing since sliced bread so it's oversaturated.
I don't hate Copper, but my god it's the most overrated mod outside of Brutal Doom and Lunarian's ego is breathtaking in the way he behaves like this is how Quake should have been from the get-go, which also turns me off it.

>>9824128
>Yes, injection of TnA or some kind of sexy appeal or fetish influence is the secret spice.
This unironically

>>9824071
>capcom has offcially supported randomization in their early RE games
Oh. I see.
>Which I guess triggered the rogue like autism in some people.
To me, it felt like something coming from the indie scene. I'm not really that familiar with the genre though.
>>9824113
Quake 2 isn't really my cup of tea, but that thing is neat. Anyone tried to port its enemies to the original Quake, at least in some way (like, even just simple reskin of Grunts or something)?

>>9824231
>has a pathological hatred of the player having ammo for the fun guns
The ammo changes aren't forcing designers to limit placements or prevent them, they can still drown you in rockets and cells if they want. Pic related even has an AD-styled respawning ammo box nearby.
There's also things like zombies being gibbable while downed, more relaxed spawns and vore turning speeds that people seem to like. Shotguns feel slightly more fun in this mod for me.
>>9824280
Alkaline adopted the mutants. On nightmare they're more relaxed and easily killed than fiends so as not to seem entirely redundant.

>>9824189
Are you planning any kind of dehacked/mbf weapons for the player when it's a complete wad? Or, are you just putting together a monster pack for mappers to use?
Not that the normal rocket launcher shouldn't be able to deal with most of the monsters if they're not immune to splash. I don't mind the idea of having monsters so threatening they compel you to rocket them instead of slowly chipping them down like vanilla hell knights and barons

>>9824308
The Voreballs not being perfect homing health taxes outside of very tight turns is welcome, sure.

>>9824313
I'm planning on starting a community project with this pack but not sure I'll pull through.
What I was posting recently as supposed to be episode bosses for that, only used once.
Don't know if I want to change guns, might do the valiant thing with chaingun.

Very boring Violent Rumble update:
>prox bombs should no longer rape your CPU with tracelines
>prox bombs now shouldn't be able to detect you and activate through walls now (except on Ironwail for some reason, might just be an engine bug?)
>railgun now does a few offset traces for damage, which should make it feel 'thicker' when fired into a group of enemies (or pottery)
>railgun impact sprite has had the weird red pixels removed (they were a leftover of MALICE's palette)
>shield hit detection should be improved and now takes into account the velocity of the monster
>friendly monsters (via Horn of Conjuring or otherwise set to 'charmed') will now have a blue spinning Quake symbol sprite above their head instead of the generic glow effect (pic related)
>also included green, gold, and red versions of the same sprite, but they aren't used yet
Back to mapping for a while. Scream at me if shit is broken.

VR megafolder: https://mega.nz/folder/LVlWVK5D#H5iqeD61bSItMIVeGqymTQ

>>9824308
Yeah, but nobody puts much Thunderbolt ammo in their maps. It's not even some big BFG class weapon, I don't get Copper's hatred of the player having enough cells to kill maybe one more Shambler. I also don't get people defending this obnoxious change, it's not like it makes the game better.

>>9823628

Was r_shadows removed in Ironwail? r_noshadow_list is still a cvar

>>9824321
>I don't get Copper's hatred of the player having enough cells to kill maybe one more Shambler.
It's not the mod preventing people from wanting to give you more super weapon ammo. Maybe people didn't like that killing the game's "imp" always gave said super weapon ammo, and base Quake did have some weird ideas anyways.

>>9824356
>Maybe people didn't like that killing the game's "imp" always gave said super weapon ammo
Nobody has ever complained about it before, and you also don't get much ammo for said "super weapon" even if they dropped ammo. Again, I have no idea why you're so bent on defending one of the most questionable changes the mod makes. You really aren't going to convince me I'm wrong and that having less ammo is more fun.

Please no. No more arguing about Copper. We get it, one of you seems to think its the only way to play Quake while the other finds it to be an affront. We've been through this, both of you are too stubborn to stop and it's really annoying.

>>9824218
I like switch hunting and puzzles.

>>9824328
r_shadows was never in ironwail

>>9824375
All I'll say is Death Knights should drop nails.
Just sayin'.

Oh, and I'm upset copper co-op is fucking broken and has been since Feb. That's sad.

>>9824393
That's not a big deal. The shadows look like ass and will take any excuse to hover bizarrely in the sky for no reason.

Did I seriously get reported for typing "deez nuts" like two days ago? That's the ONLY thing I've sent in text chat since the start of this season.

>>9824440
I don't know what game this is but it's clearly not /vr/ and therefore does not belong in this thread

>>9824446
I'm sorry you had to see that blunder, I posted in the wrong thread.

>>9824368
>You really aren't going to convince me I'm wrong and that having less ammo is more fun.
I'd actually agree with that, because those points in the episode I've posted are when I have a fun amount of cells and rockets. Maybe I underestimated how much fun one gets from pickups as opposed to drops, but I'm content with establishing that people aren't stopping themselves from giving you the goods if they want to.

>>9824403
I always use the shotgun on them.

>>9824403
>Death Knights should drop nails.
Death Knights should drop swords and you should be able to use them, faggot.

Yes, we WILL be getting serious today for Serious Business Saturday! It will start in about 30 minutes from now so if you want to download the map early grab it here: https://mega.nz/file/lJhkmBgC#ZesvCi_Bt-_k3CuKxcjZqguq3r0b_xuaZlxsjYJ1C9o
We'll be playing through the Ancient Rome map pack which is a recreation of the Rome maps from The Next Encounter for TSE. This is a large file so get it downloaded ASAP if you're going to join.

>>9824476
Uwu

Wait what?

>>9824538
the BOARD is GOOD >>9823552

>>9824538
Looks like a battle chip.

>>9824571
>Quakespasm compatible slaughter
OH SH-

>>9823257
what map pack

>>9824581
Going by the HUD and textures, Auger Zenith.

>>9824585
thanks

>>9824521
We're back, while also going back to the past... AGAIN. It's time for some Serious Business Saturday! Today we'll be playing through a level set that aims to recreate all the Rome maps from The Next Encounter in TSE. You can grab it here: https://mega.nz/file/lJhkmBgC#ZesvCi_Bt-_k3CuKxcjZqguq3r0b_xuaZlxsjYJ1C9o

>IP (join via specify server): 45.79.57.115
>Highly recommended to install the classics patch: https://dreamycecil.itch.io/sam-exe-patch if you haven't already. Adds a bunch of nice features like better resolution support and hud scaling. Make sure you grab the most recent TSE1.07 patch and after installing launch the game with "SeriousSam_Custom.exe"
>Go into the Scripts\NetSettings folder inside your main TSE directory and open up the DSLCable.ini file. Change "cli_iMaxBPS" to 1000000. Then when connecting to the server MAKE SURE YOU SELECT DSL/CABLE CONNECTION.
>Upon loading into the main menu, type: "/cli_iMaxPredictionSteps=4" (no quotes) into the console. You only have to do this once. If you encounter any problems with this setting then try changing it to a higher number up to around 10.

>>9824591
If you're not a hardline purist it has custom dynamic lights for all its props so consider playing in ZDoom or other port with lights

Have you gotten any good maps from OBLIGUE/OBSIDIAN?

>>9823912
Oh god, Mazu maps are always a complete and utter slog and I'll fully admit my biggest issue with Dwell was mostly his doing.
The fun came to a dead stop with his episode 1 level. Fucking hundreds of monsters, nasty ambush after nasty ambush, and the level just goes on and on. To top it off, you get idiots patting him on the back and telling him this is a good thing and he needs to do more of it.
He can make some good stuff but it only happens when he's partnered up with someone who forces him to cut down on the bullshit.

I loathe the circlejerk the Quake community has become, because they all worry more about upsetting each other rather than honestly trying to make a good mapset. It results in some seriously bland content where every single mapping project is exactly the same and I groan every time certain mapper names come up.

RECOMMEND ME SOME EGYPTIAN WADS, FUCK

>>9824698
Epic, Epic 2, Scythe 2, Preditions' Gate Resurgence, Evil Egypt
Go crazy

Scythe 2 lives in my head rent free

the first death exit map music keeps looping in my head, help

>>9823302
>Shadow Warrior
>Best gameplay
as a crazy motherfucker who actually likes Blood, I always find SW has too much "everything explodes and you die in one-two hits" all of the time and it gets rather tiresome, compared to Duke and Blood, I feel like SW in maps and gameplay doensn't measure up

>>9823568
>>9823653
one thing i appreciate about FreeDoom so far is the aesthetics have drifted to a "mutants/aliens" feeling vs the demons and hell thing, I've felt like it makes some map packs make sense vs the original demons

How easy/difficult is it to mod Doom on Steam and then turn off and on said mods?

>>9824703
>Preditions' Gate Resurgence
Is this even out?

Also, what are some TRAIN wads? Not counting Runaway Train.

Hey bros, how do you choose which midi files you use for what levels? Do you usually stick to the default tracks, or go out of your way to find custom songs?

Haven't touched retro fps stuff in years but I've recently had an inkling to work on midi tracks specifically for doom stuff although I'm eons away from getting good and I'm interested in what vibes you all look for

cheers xoxo

>>9823867
I don't like his voice.

>>9824748
There's an alpha out. inb4 full release before 94 Protons.

The DOOM 64 atmosphere is pretty good. Feels like a "meeting point" between Doom and Quake honestly.

>>9824212
My problem is more that when they do, they make them for ZDoom and depending on how old it is, you might need an older version of the port as well (looking at you Wolfen).
>>9824218
I play retro FPS mainly for stuff like switch hunting, non-combat puzzles and platforming.

>>9824769
Posting all the D64 mods i currently find playable,some update daily

>>GZDoom compatible
>D64 Vanilla
https://tpu540059.itch.io/d64revanilla

>Brutal DOOM 64 (Has custom enemies in the settings)
https://mega.nz/folder/AtsgQL7K#uqIcrVz6KXT5w5dW8DSlww

>D64 corefier (Use randomspawner file for custom enemies/weapons)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RgkTiCZn-Z5fZNKKWRa8C6asVszYqZ8X

>D64 textures
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=76856

>D64 music
https://www.moddb.com/mods/the-d64ifier/addons/d64ifier-music-v0-90

>>Total conversion,Needs Doom64 ROM and doom2 wad for the addons
>DOOM CE
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-ce

>Standalone engine,needs Doom64 ROM (has custom monsters in the settings menu)
https://github.com/Styd051/DOOM64-Super-EX-Plus/releases

>Extra maps for the above
https://www.moddb.com/games/doom-64/downloads

>>9824779
Also adding retribution to a list, an oldie but goldie

https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-64-retribution

>>9824779
That's awesome, thanks!

>>9824571
>talking grenade
>function seems bullshit
>kid duke
>please god keep cool
>sad ssg imps
>jesus tears faster ogres

>jump
>this happens

>>9824598
Thanks for coming! We'll finish this map set next weekend.

>>9824794
>mfw you can access parallel universes in Serious Sam
>mfw you can fling yourself to space

>>9824571
>Don't finish trilogy
Back to Saturn X part 3 confirmed dead.
>dilation shittiest
No comment
>Stop violent annoying rumble
heh
>shotgun love
>Useless christ sounds
>graf please god keep cool

>>9824809
Next you're gonna tell me every copy of Serious Sam is personalized.

>>9824751
I lookup usual midi aggregator websites and download whatever they have in batches. Then, when mood wills it, I start midi player on shuffle to play in the background - anything interesting I hear is stashed into separate folder practical use.

>>9824751
i swear i have heard this song in at least 3 map wads now

https://youtu.be/iKZ8P4wkguI

>>9823458
this was a mistake

>>9824838
No no, its a stroke of genius

>>9824714
Yeah, I agree with you on that.
Shadow Warrior or Gook Nukem as I like to call it, is reliant on it's style, it's vibe of hong kong action movies similar to how Duke rides on 1980s action hero references and vibes. The setpieces are cool, Lo Wang is a funny badass, the game oozes style and the cathartic slaugher of enemies (especially with the violence of cutting enemies into pieces with the sword) but the combat is savescum -> die -> load 10 times per encounter and the flow of the combat is unsatisfying.

It's still a very valid game but gameplaywise Blood has the smoothes gameplay flow of the classic build trio.

>>9824794
>Next Encounter conversion
Gib.

>>9824884
>>9824598
from this

>>9824571
>Wolfenstein mentioned
Ohhh, a rare sight indeed

>>9824714
Working around the explosion damage is tricky at the beginning, but you can get used to it. Also, Shadow Warrior has better weapons than eighter Blood or Duke.
>>9824881
If you prefere Duke over Shadow Warrior that's fine, but SW has definitly more going for it than just style. Stylistic Blood would be the best.

>>9824751
For reference, this has been what's been in me head for the last day or so - https://voca.ro/18puXXL2wWRi

i genuinely have no clue about music theory, but messing about in reaper is fun and helps push back against depression

>>9824824
every wad should include the tavern theme, it makes me smile

https://youtu.be/a7oh21VOYIM

>Download Enhanced vanilla project
>Crashes under a minute every time
Amazing

What's the GZDoom equivalent for Shadow Warrior Classic on Steam?

>>9823193
>guy makes tutorials and the wrong people watch them
that's not really his fault, is it

>>9823193
> good or bigtime Quake youtubers
Pagb666

>>9824769
Doom 64 is the real Doom 3

>>9825016
More like the real Doom 2, except even then it's more like an unfinished TC.

>>9825083
what do you feel its unfinished from D64? (beside the obvious missing enemies bit)

>>9825137
Obvious bit is fairly important when we are talking about the comparison to the base game, isn't it?
But if I had to pick two more things, it would be the planned Laser Rifle (retconned by nu-id as Unmaker) and multiplayer. Former to show that it got some content that should've been there but got cut and latter because it's a huge part of what Doom is or at least was at the time.

>>9825157
Isnt Doom,first and foremost,a single player game? what is this nonsense about multiplayer

I needed a reason learn ACS

>>9825169
Ask Romero. Or read about how id guys styled on Doom 64 devs in deathmatch by using the cutting edge technology known as KB/M.
Not to mention Doom 64 was being made for a party game console, where not having multiplayer was one of the biggest sins imaginable.

>>9825169
Just because you didn't engage with multiplayer doesn't mean it's "nonsense."

>>9825179
>running through a level to get all secrets and a full combo
sounds fun as hell

>>9824818
do you deal with usage permissions and credits at all?

>>9825179
Now make the Romero par times of the iwads a hard time limit

>>9825185
https://files.catbox.moe/avit8j.wad do what you want with it
map end totals do not account for rank at this moment
also only tested on gz doom because I'm a pleb

>>9824571
>quake mods fun
>doom mod bad

>>9824571
>doom need try hard

hmm...

>>9825179
this looks promising

>>9825179
whats the bonus for getting a high combo count?

>>9825218
higher combos will give a better score when its added
finishing the level on a combo you started with gives the elusive p
fixed a bug where downing multiple enemies at once didn't properly add to your combo which is what happened on this screenshot
https://files.catbox.moe/s9ln8x.wad

>>9825157
>the planned Laser Rifle (retconned by nu-id as Unmaker)
How could they have retconned something that was never finalized?

>>9825238
>finishing the level on a combo you started with gives the elusive p
Can I just rush to the end of the level, kill 2 enemies, then exit to get an easy P?
I feel like this would work better if you incorporated other requirements for a P rank, like finding all of the secrets in a map. I guess it won't work if there's an out of bounds secret, but that's just the mark of a bad map more than the mod.

>>9825243
you cannot
items and secrets are accounted for it
secrets refill the meter fully, and items that count to the totals also add 2 seconds to it

>>9825248
Sweet, sounds like you already got it figured out.

>>9823518
These look friggin awesome anon, well done!

>>9825239
Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right.

>>9824698
Temporal Tantrum (second-last episode). Not a purist answer since there's bits of techbase and space mixed with the Egypt, but there's some fun maps in there regardless, including the best map of the whole wad.

Post Doomcute.

>>9825347

>>9825238
Pizza time?

>>9823193
Shitheads watching his tutorials is not his fault lol what kind of criticism is that.

>>9825380
This is 4chan after all.

>>9823867
I feel like Okuplok has always been both really underrated and overrated in ways. People only know it because of it's quirk of being basically a megawad that's a single map instead of a series of maps. The balancing is rough and most of the fights themselves are hit-or-miss, but it does have some redeeming qualities outside of being HAHA IT HUEG LOL! I'm happy that someone like coincident gives it a fair shake.

>>9823867
lol'd when he takes the Cyberdemon rocket to the face in the Crossfire Arena section.

>>9824698
Osiris TC, very nifty with its effects and features for a 90s DeHacked modded set of levels. SICK music.

>>9824745
Skip it and instead get Woof or GzDoom, and then DoomLauncher for handling files.

>>9824308
>Alkaline adopted the mutants.
Interesting. Was it some recent-ish addition? I played an older version of Alkaline like two years ago and not sure if Mutants were there... I think there was some map with them, but not sure. Thanks for the answer though.
>>9824745
Just official Add-ons thing for a re-release version. I think there's a way to load WADs into it, but There's also an option to launch DOSBox version of the game which you can replace with a source port of your choice, which would provide you with more freedom.

>>9825238 (me)
added combo notifs + sound (can't be heard because webm)
that's enough for today

>>9824995
>>9825380
Embracing, even coddling them until they've built up enough clout to pose as authority figures is absolutely his fault. Most of those people would have been rightfully gatekept just 10 years prior.

>>9825185
Try Skulldash

>>9824994
pls frens

>>9825704
Do you mean a better sourceport for Shadow Warrior? Raze, Buildgdx, VoidSW should all be good. Only concern is I think one or two of those won’t have widescreen weapon sprites, it could be GDX.

>>9825708
>Do you mean a better sourceport for Shadow Warrior?
I'm retarded when it comes to these things so I think yes.
I just want the game to look better and have more options like I get in GZDoom.
I also have no idea what difficulty to start on.

>>9825710
>I'm retarded when it comes to these things so I think yes.
I just want the game to look better and have more options like I get in GZDoom.
Actually, I’m a dumbass and realizex you should use Raze because it’s by the GZDoom dev. The menu, options, and navigation will feel familiar. If you’ve comfortably played lots of UV maps, I’d try starting SW with the second hardest setting.

>>9825607
This. I wouldn't have an issue with Fairweather and his circlejerk acting like they're in charge of the community if they actually had some experience. But instead they showed up around 2019 and quickly went for a power grab, arrogantly claiming they knew better than all the experienced mappers out there.
Hilariously, their lack of experience shows, because while they can make pretty levels very few of them have above average gameplay. At least a few of the old guard managed to remain and you see glimpses of what could have been through their levels.

>>9825016
Doom 3 isn't as bad as many people say. Most people that hate on it just talk after some big youtube smock or something like that.

>>9825781
I don't think Doom 3 is a bad game, but talking shit about the game goes a very long way back.

These guys look cool, but was it really necessary to have a nastier Ogre? Nothing takes the crown of "most annoying new enemy" from theose crystal things though, those things are like the Alien Guardians from Ancient Aliens only much worse.

Also just finished Bal's map. As expected, it's the best map in the set so far, but I still think Tears is his best work. Is there a legitimate way to get to the top? I guessed I needed to be better at grenade jumping to do it.

tsutsu-kun I have finished a small slayer's testaments map. I am looking forward to the final release. I hope it will have TAG part 1 enemies, couldn't care less about the part 2 crew.

Seems people are talking a bit more Q1 recently, I like that.

>>9825802
>These guys look cool, but was it really necessary to have a nastier Ogre?
Sure. I’d rather have one clear and obviously nastier ogre than several variants of assorted health pool counts and functions like in AD.
>>9825806
It’s been a mixed blessing for me.

>try new Heretic wad from news section
>get to E1M3
Never in my life a Heretic map kicked my ass so much as this one. To the point I was ready to scream BULLSHIT like I do with many hard Doom wads.
I think it's mostly thanks to play area being cramped. IMO this game doesn't really work in big open spaces. In Doom you have too look out for zombies/masterminds/archies. In Heretic there's nothing like it, everything is a projectile.
Anyway, if you like me thought that Heretic is too easy, try this map.
Though that pitch black arena, where you have to step on buttons to light up the room for half a second, was REAL FUCKING BULLSHIT

>>9825806
I'm finding I like it more than Doom, in all honesty. I think I like the older stuff a bit more, the more recent mods and mapsets suffer from that "magnum opus syndrome" where an otherwise brilliant and pretty mod becomes a real slog near the end, but I'm yet to play anything that I'd consider awful.

>>9825825
>IMO this game doesn't really work in big open spaces
>mfw my map is one big open space
Keep the feedback coming.

>>9825816
I liked most of AD's additions, but my god are Super Scrags and Lava Shamblers the absolute worst. I'd like to play just one good mapset that doesn't throw some obnoxious community made enemy in there, because from all the stuff I've played it doesn't currently exist.

>>9825825
>E1M3
Yeah, I remember dropping out from that one. My suspension of disbelief is barely holding, but how are you supposed to deal with whole bestiary thrown at you inside a 512 square room? It doesn't sound manageable without foreknowledge of what comes ahead, and vice versa even so. I may need to watch some high-level play of how Heretic is done, either through demos or video.

>>9825854
Beyond Belief, the coagula contests and most of CZG's stuff. A lot of mapjams also have no custom enemies, such as fire and bromstone, ikwhite/blue, retrojam6 etc etc
Also the only bad enemy in AD is the fire wraith.

>>9825854
>but my god are Super Scrags and Lava Shamblers the absolute worst
I was upset the few times they showed up because it's clear they were bosses. The super scrag was fun to see in the bigfuck arena in Tears, and the lava shambler has a new step to get funky with.
>I'd like to play just one good mapset that doesn't throw some obnoxious community made enemy in there, because from all the stuff I've played it doesn't currently exist.
You could also just be easily annoyed, which is fine.

>>9825854
>but my god are Super Scrags and Lava Shamblers the absolute worst
I wasn't upset the few times they showed up because it's clear they were bosses. The super scrag was fun to see in the bigfuck arena in Tears, and the lava shambler has a new step to get funky with.
>I'd like to play just one good mapset that doesn't throw some obnoxious community made enemy in there, because from all the stuff I've played it doesn't currently exist.
You could also just be easily annoyed, which is fine.

>>9825852
Is that E1M4? Just finished it. It's really beautiful, I love that volcano you see at the start is not just for decoration.
Gameplay-wise it's fine, not hard but fine. You feel the difficulty gradually rising with each waterfall descent. The areas you fight in are big enough, far from huge.
For real huge spaces see Wayfarer wad. It's beautiful, the gameplay changes are nice, but I remeber yawning running through some of it's gigantic maps while hundrerds of projectiles follow behind.

>>9825870
>Also the only bad enemy in AD is the fire wraith.
This. I don't know what those anons are on about, AD is the refinement of Quake that Copper wishes it was.

>>9825905
Well, AD is not my favourite refinement, but neither is copper. Quake's biggest problems are how little nails you can carry with you and the bad enemy pathfinding.

>>9824375
Whatever senpai-flam, I am too busy trying out this schizokino clusterfuck to Keep fanning those flames ATM

>>9825896
>Is that E1M4?
Nah, that'd be the author of E1M1 and E1M7. He's stellar with visuals for sure, and I love his employment of Heretic's unique feature, like gas pod generators and ghost enemies.
I'm sure he'll be glad to hear your praise!
My map is E1M5. I fucking submitted a broken version so I apologize for any bugs you encounter. They've likely been fixed since.

>>9825905
I think projectile shotgun shells are worse than giving the super nailgun that spread, but that's something I can toggle. More toggle options/customization would be good, that's a huge thing I love with this mod in particular.
Also I'll second >>9825915 with that nail capacity. You can go through them like Doom's plasma gun does with cells but in that game you aren't limited to 200.

>>9825852
With tight control that project lead had, dropping fresh submissions like hot potatoes, I'm sure you will be fine.

>>9825915
Yeah, 200 nails is not enough, especially when the super nailgun eats through them like crazy.

>>9825854
>Super Scrags and Lava Shamblers the absolute worst
The Scrag Mothers would be better if they popped out swarms of babies or something instead of being bullet spongy (Quoth) gaunts. And why make a variant of the Scrag if you're going to give it an attack completely uncharacteristic of scrags? Make it spew acid like a water hose or something. Model looks cool though.
All the shambler variants in AD are kinda dumb. Lazy reskins of monsters should at least act about the same as the original, not have crazy new ranged attacks that aren't even related to lightning. It only makes sense in the case of human enemies, but even that's not ideal.
The new shamblers in Violent Rumble at least have model changes to denote (and justify) their different behavior.

Holy fuck I just found Dwell's railgun.
What a lovely weapon. They finally start handing out cells in decent numbers too, so you can have fun gibbing shit from miles away.
God I love episode 2. 1 was fine, but ended with that massive level that soured me on it, Episode 2 is pretty much perfect so far, outside of those crystal things but they're not that bad now I'm used to them.

>>9825930
I see. E1M1 is a great introduction. Loved the burning house setpiece with those red crushers, whatever they're supposed to mean.
Also, dunno if I got it right, but ending looked like I teleported into some mage's "UFO" ala Ancient Aliens. Cool idea.
The thing I'm not sure about is Castlevania's music in Heretic, but that's personal preference.
I'm yet to try E1M5-E1M7.

>>9825961
>Lazy reskins of monsters should at least act about the same as the original
Then there is no point to the reskin

>>9825970
Lazy reskins are adequate to indicate a monster has more health or hits harder than usual. They're not adequate to indicate that the monster has completely different attacks.

>>9825961
>Lazy reskins of monsters should at least act about the same as the original, not have crazy new ranged attacks that aren't even related to lightning.
This seems like a weird thing to be upset about, these "lava" and "swamp" shamblers being given different attacks appropriate to their environments that aren't lightning-based. They seemed plenty different enough to me to indicate they'd have different attacks.

tsutsu-kun I have playtested and fine-tuned my map and I am now working on a second one. I could just make a single bigger map but meh

>>9826000
>>9825801
wtf is this?

>>9826009
Sorry, I was talking to my best friend tsutsu-kun, I hope it does not upset you.

>>9825921
BTW the DoE ammo works strangely here - as you need to first find a gun loaded with it before you can use the alt-ammunitions, making you have a SNG that can only fire normal nails and a NG that can only shoot lava-nails for example

>>9826015
Is this that weird flying pyramid level anon posted a while back?

>>9826013
>The JP community might be piggybacking on /vr/ and only speaking English for some bizarre reason
I want to believe this is true for the sheer insanity of the scenario.

>>9825802
I will recognize those boneheads from anywhere

>>9826021
Yeah this is Egyptoagula, also can anyone tell me what mod this X-bow came from?

lol what if we did another doom /vr/ project and released that before 94 protons of /vr/?
I thought about hosting a reprise of 200 Minutes of /vr/

>>9826031
Stretch your imagination and headcanon to where you can regard ogres as stinky abhumans with chainswords, and it sort of works.

>>9826072
How about 94 minutes of /vr/

>>9826072
I'd rather have a reprise of one of the size-based limitations. Those ones came out really good.

>>9826096
2048: New /vr/egas

>>9825816
>Sure. I’d rather have one clear and obviously nastier ogre than several variants of assorted health pool counts and functions like in AD.
Good point. And its harder to distinguish because they changed the vanilla ogre model. Too many times ive been fighting a bunch of enemies, spotted the silhouette of an ogre and acted as such, only to get launched in the air from behind because apparently it was the epic hammer bro variant.
Their attack works through walls too.

>>9826080
No seriously, they even got the ripper-gun et al

>>9825963
>Dwell Railgun
If you can line up monsters for multikills the Crystal Lance makes the Shaft completely redundant, even when accounting for the chain-lightining effect that Copper had buffed it with

>>9825825
>In Doom you have too look out for zombies/masterminds/archies. In Heretic there's nothing like it, everything is a projectile.
If anything it seems like that makes large open spaces more viable and fair

>>9826037
Hi Willy, mind explaining why you take as many shells as rockets to stay dead for some reason?
also once you learn that he can't bite you, this fellow becomes a non-issue

two retarded questions
is the doom film from the early 00s worth watching
any retro fps games that are like F.E.A.R.?

>>9824881
>Gook Nukem

>>9826105
There's a red-eyed variant in that mod that just has slightly more health. I don't think he does anything else differently, it's a very odd choice. I've seen him in other mods where he shoots nails instead of grenades.
>>9826108
Yeah it's great, also was a good call using Unreal's brute noises.
>>9826118
>is the doom film from the early 00s worth watching
It's not great, but it's not the worst idea to have it play in the background for some dumb and fun moments.
>any retro fps games that are like F.E.A.R.?
What are you looking for from it specifically? SMod for Half Life 2 can be stupid and fun but it can be messy to install, the gunplay is better and there's silly slo-mo. The same devs who made FEAR also made Blood.

>>9826105
>Their attack works through walls too.
Thankfully you can avoid it completely by jumping at the right time - but if affecting you when submerged is bullshit though (can't remember if this was fixed in the current version)

>>9825961
>>9825974
>LavaShamblers
Speaking of whitch. . .
I hope this mod doesn't have the Sham-vile included yet and will not have them (at least not before they fix the add-on runes not working)

>>9825965
>The thing I'm not sure about is Castlevania's music in Heretic, but that's personal preference.
Personally I thought it's pretty cool.
Divine Bloodlines goes pretty well with the whole fire effects thing that goes on in that level.

>>9826141
>It's not great, but it's not the worst idea to have it play in the background for some dumb and fun moments.
Excellent
>>9826141
>What are you looking for from it specifically?
Spoopy atmosphere and shooting stuff. I don't like Blood

>>9826072
>Spoiler
Let's do it.

>>9826175
>Spoopy atmosphere and shooting stuff. I don't like Blood
Clive Barker's Undying
System Shock 2

We can all agree that Shadow Warrior has the best shotgun of the 90s, right? There is no second oppion on this.
Before you argue with the SSG, think about the secondary fire mode of the Riot Gun.

So, if one wants to start doing something for Shadow Warrior, would I go with Mapster32 like with Duke or is there something else?

>>9826271
Mapster32 is basically the only option and it's ancient and shit and a pain in the ass and that's why nobody makes duke/blood/SW/Ion Fury maps

>>9826278
Yeah, I did something for Duke some years ago. I just thought that MAYBE someone would have done a better editor by now with all the hype around our genre since 2015.

>>9826267
Sorry, Flak Cannon exists.

>>9826072
>dat spoiler
>mfw I've been training for 500 Minutes

Oh. I've just got to either the last or second to last map of Dwell 2 and that's a really silly amount of enemies.
I swear Episode 1 did this too, why ruin it with these piss takingly big levels at the end? What happened to quality control? I'm thinking of noclipping to the exit for this one.

>>9826293
Fair point. Depends on if you count it as a shotgun or, as name suggests, a flak cannon.

What is the visually most impressive hell level you know?

>>9826096
>size-based limitations
I'd second this, tho I'm not sure what would be best.
Another 2048? Sector limit? File size limit (with or without counting .midi size)?
That said, 400 Minutes turned out pretty good, so I wouldn't vote against another speedmapping jam either.

>>9826319
my life

>>9826314
It functions as a shotgun, it barks as a shotgun, so I'm pretty sure it counts as a shotgun for the question's purpose.
Kinda like Nailgun, Hyperblaster and Plasmagun basically being variations of the same gun in Quake 1-3.

I'm mapping my house to learn ultimate doom builder 2, how do I raise the player view height?
The proportions look all wrong because the player is as tall as a child

>>9826319
Sigil

>>9826175
If you want to hit things rather than shoot stuff, I enjoyed Condemned's atmosphere just as much as FEAR's.
>>9826308
>I swear Episode 1 did this too
It's e1m8 monster count on nightmare is 372 with 24 secrets. It's a safer and more acceptable ramp up compared to e2m8's 1155 monsters and 60 secrets.

>>9826332
Yeah, Doomguy is even smaller than Duke "Manlet" Nukem.

>>9826348
Maybe I misremembered Episode 1, but fuck me, who thought the Episode 2 map 8 was a good idea? I get the mapper probably wanted to make his own Forgotten Sepulcher, but why do this in an episodic mapset?
It's like the team were making Quake Plutonia, and then you've got this guy sitting in the corner trying to make Sunlust or something.

>>9826356
Hey Sam.

>>9826356
could be worse
could be Blaz

>>9826332
Doomguy is canonically 5'8. Manlet kings rise up!

Recommend me a random .wad and I will play it
Anything, good or bad, idc
I'm bored for new content

https://youtu.be/G3keWHf2Mas

Why the fuck did this take so long?

A Serious Case Of /vr/ lead here, if you guys want to start another project then go ahead. From what I can see I don't even know if anyone else is still working on a map for it. If you are and have just been staying silent then good, I'm not pressuring you to talk about it if you don't want to.
I'm not canceling the project however. I still plan on releasing a map for it even if nobody else does. But I don't want to hold up other projects in this thread due to how little attention this project is getting.

>>9826462
That's an old trailer.

>>9826463
It's over

>>9826487

>>9826332
Wall textures are oversized.

>>9826358
It's much more hub-based than Ye Old Sepulcher was, so that's something cool Abyss of the Troggs has going for it even though it's still blindsiding.

>>9826374
It makes sense that Doomguy's great grandpa was smaller, honestly.

>>9826324
kek

>>9826487
That episode isn't that bad really. Only bad thing was that I had it to play it in 3D World Tour back then. Now you can play it in Eduke from all I heard.

>>9826437
Implying you have played through all /vr/ wads already: Demonic Deviation, Cydonia, Riot Control. Or better yet, just hit random button on idgames, which reminds me that we haven't had random roulette in a long time.

>>9826278
>when MaxED ragequit he made a repo for Duke Builder out of spite
>didn't actually do anything with it
we were destined for greatness

>>9826271
Mapster32 works for SW, you just need to download a set of scripts to make it compatible.

>>9825930
I had to skip this level cus my Switch couldn't handle it

°__°

>>9826308
Whats wrong with a big level with lots of enemies? Thats just more to enjoy. You dont have to play it all at once. You can think of it like 3 levels and do it in chunks.

>>9825708
GDX has widescreen weapon sprites do not besmirch BuildGDX. Best Build port.

>>9826894
This. Such an odd complaint.

>>9826894
I'd normally agree with you, but this is meant to be an episode and it has a negative impact on the pacing. If it were a standalone release I'd be far more understanding, but it's just weird to cram in a Forgotten Sepulcher style map after a series of reasonably sized levels.
Also, the mapper in question has a habit of making his levels kind of monotonous and seems to have ambitions that vastly exceed his current skill. I'm yet to play a level by him that hasn't left me feeling exhausted in a bad way.

>>9826916
Someone clearly hasn't played a Mazu map.

>>9826940
It's more that I've never agreed with general map criticism. I've seen for over a decade with regards to Doom
>Oh the map is too big
Just save your game and come back later. It's a nonissue to me.

I'm going to look for that secret level, but the main part of Travail is done. It was memorable, had another fun shotgun replacement, and the bosses were interesting even if the final one looked weird. It also had several absolutely evil encounters on nightmare that make it hard to recommend for that difficulty, holy shit.
>>9826894
It took some time to get over the initial shock of the mapsize since the one before it was pretty long too. It was good in the long run.

>>9826916
I've seen this exact post a couple of times lately here, and while I don't know if you're the same person it's still a really weird way of trying to shut someone down for having legitimate issues.

>>9826946
Travail is awesome. I always recommend it after the mission packs. Feels like an official release. That final boss is really cinematic in all the right ways, but I agree the model could use a bit more detail. I hope it makes it into Keep.

>>9826942
It is an issue if the map isn't fun to play. By your logic you could make a single corridor with 1000 enemies standing in a line and that's fine because there's more to play.

>>9826894
>>9826916
I hate this attitude. It's why general map quality is all over the place these days because anyone criticising them is just called out for daring to complain. I'd expect this attitude in Doomworld or Slipseer but seeing it here is depressing.

i don't think it's exactly /vr/, but does anyone here know if i can somehow get the old shooter game "vivisector" on steam?

>>9826994
If a map were made to be a single corridor with 1000 enemies the gimmick is obvious and any criticism is useless.
>>9827037
A bloo bloo fuck off with your irrelevant site drama. If you don't like big levels with lots of enemies, that's fine, but here:
>why ruin it with these piss takingly big levels at the end?
Is where I take issue. Big maps with lots of enemies aren't inherently ruined or ruining anything.

>>9826972
It's very good, highly recommended. Not for nightmare first playthrough, all the "got ya" tropes are dialed to the max here. NM here is very rude, evil, and not for everyone.
>>9826994
Thankfully, Abyss is more fun than that. I'll say no one should prevent themselves from quicksaving during that jumping puzzle section, though.
>>9827041
I think it's abandonedware, so while it won't be in a pretty steam or gog package I think you can download it for free. Also it's a 2005 game so I think it's board relevant.

>>9826358
>>9824093
If you don't have OCD just get through D2M8 as quick as possible and spare yourself the torture of trying to 100% it in one sitting

>>9827048
I'm not the same person you were looking down on, I take issue with how you were jumping on an anon just for saying he didn't like something.

>>9827054
>I think it's abandonedware
:(
>>9827054
>I think you can download it for free
:) where from

>>9827037
Dude, you complained about the level because its too long. My point is, the actual problem is if the map is unfun for other reasons. Theres nothing inherently wrong with a map being long if its designed well.

>>9827085
>first result for googling "vivisector abandonware"
at least try

how I wish the lighting gun from Quake worked as the amprex from warframe does. Maybe I should learn quake-C and make it happen.


https://youtu.be/u6lp_6Ksa8g?t=29

>>9827087
I'm the guy who didn't care for the size, I'm not the anon you're quoting.
You're right though, levels size (for the most part) isn't really an issue but after trying it and knowing who made the level it really isn't for me.
I'd still argue it's bad for an episodes pacing to drop such a big map in there but this is the last I'll say on the matter because things are getting heated and I want nothing to do with that.

>>9827087
It's much harder to design a good big map, especially for quake that has bad enemies and weapons for large spaces, and some people making big maps could take a chunk out of their thing, refine it a little and turn it into a smaller but better thing.

>>9825825
We should do a heretic mapset...
We just need to pick a texture pack because heretics default selection is pretty limited.

>>9827127
Baker's Legacy is the easiest option.
We did try to do a Heretic project btw, but it died once the project lead dipped and nobody stepped up to finish it.

>>9826946
>Travail
>secret level
Finding it is a bit counter-intuitive as the entrance to it is one of those "end a level sooner than reaching the normal exit the moment you find a key that you don't know where to use it yet" homages to E4M6 - IIRC it's somewhere on the map before the spider's lair level of Ep.2

>>9826462
Because that's what happens when project changes developers and new ones starts from scratch.
>We only announced it like 6 months ago. The base game has been done. We're making a whole new episode, restoring old content, adding new content, going through cert for all the consoles.
>Please don't confuse this with the 3DR re-release announced years ago.
https://twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/1646650812033306624

>>9827127
I second this.

>>9827138
Literally nobody mentioned that the 3DR version wasn't being worked on anymore how the fuck are we supposed to know that was dropped and New Blood/Apogee took over?

There's a serious lack of communication in these fucking companies.

Where the fuck is Graven and Wrath and Kingpin and Sin? I'm pirating all this shit.

>>9827151
Kingpin and Sin are on gog.

>>9827130
Baker's Legacy is ugly af, most of the textures are shitty recolors or rips from other games that you could use the whole texture pack from instead.

>>9826878
I warned him this would happen.
Oh well. I haven't actually played E1M7 yet, but E1M6 should give you a run for your money.

>>9827138
Okay, but when will they remaster the 2013 version?
Or that isn't possible because of some shit between Fred and Scott.

>>9826332
Mods by Yholl increase the height of the player's camera to a more realistic height without actually changing doomguy's height or where the guns shoot from, give them a look in Slade if you're curious and want to learn a bit of zscript

>>9827157
Not the remastered versions that were announced years ago that are MIA

>>9827151
Wrath's release date is spring 2023 and they havent officially delayed it. Based on their updates though I would estimate fall or winter. It seems like they have like 3/4 of the game done.

>>9827112
>how I wish the lighting gun from Quake worked as the amprex from warframe does
It kinda does in Copper