/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9820328
I have small as fuck hands but Dualshocks are still comfortable to me. I mean any of the two stick placements is alright, I like the GC controller too

That seems pretty biased. Won't the gamepad on the left have the same problem for games that use the D pad anyway?

>Are Dualshocks unergonomic?
Yes but issue isn't the stick placement, rather the whole shape. Stick placement doesn't matter all that much overall.

>>9820328
If you have weak bitch thumbs yes.

>>9820328
For heavy LT and LB use left is better, but for games where you only use the index finger to alternate between LT and LB, right is better.

>>9820328
Just shift your hand a bit down. You can still press the shoulder buttons. You’d need to do the same to use the dpad on the Xbox controller.

>>9820328
I barley move my thumb to use the stick. How small are your hands?

>>9820328
>analog stick
not retro

Yes, unless you are using the dpad for games like Street Fighter

>>9820328
>Are Dualshocks unergonomic?

Yes if you have chimpanzee hands.

>>9820373
>fighting games on a controller
Masochist

DS is king, best controller, every iteration shits over all other controllers. You're a manlet bitch if you can't handle the king.

>>9820402

And you have chimpanzee hands if you can handle one.

>>9820408
chimp hands > fag hands

>>9820409
>chimp hands > fag hands

Sadly for you you have both.

>>9820332
This. They took a controller designed without sticks and grafted a pair of sticks right into the space where your fingers should be.

>>9820415
Manlet cope

>>9820328
yeah with the xbox it feels like you're squeezing something, like the centre of pressure is between your thumb and fingers. But with the dual shock it feels like your thumb is kind of floating out over nothing and it's harder to get used to. An analogy might be playing a guitar without your thumb right at the bottom of the fretboard instead of halfway up behind your fingers. And with the analog sticks that are also buttons if you push them in, it's harder to push them in straight without moving without moving the stick on the dual shock. Feels that way for me anyway

>>9820328
>Dualshocks
Shit.

>>9820426

Lol. So you are the faggot then.

>>9820446
No, but I suspect you are.

i like both, there's not such a big difference. when you need to get gud at handling a gamepad you just know you're a fuckin retard.

>>9820328
Dualshocks are the 2D KINGS

No, skill issue.

Feels fine to me and then the dpad is in a really good spot. But I fucking hate using that dpad as extra buttons in 3d games like kingdom hearts.

For My Money, it's Full Analog or Nothing

Cool /v/ thread.
>>>/v/634069698

>>9820402
It really can't be beat. All the whining about how it's not "natural" or "the default position" or "muh thumbitis" is just whining from genetically inferior wastes. You're being filtered, you're being deprived of reproduction because you're the dead genetic end. No one will have the problem you're having in the future because that's it for your kind. It's over.

>>9820328
right is more natural because you're gripping something in a choking fashion and the grip is symmetrical, but with the left your grip is asymmetrical for choking grip although both don't cause me personal discomfort so in the end I can use either.

>>9820328
???

>>9820328
Both layouts are ergonomic and unergonomic depending on the kind of game.

I bought an 8bitdo pro wired for xbox Series to have both layouts and play Hollow Knight more comfortably. Then I realized I may have wasted my money, seeing how well the X is doing in 2022 and 2023. Sure, I can always use it on PC, but I already had a Dual shock 4 for d-pad games.

>>9820328
Why would the left analog stick placement bother you on the DualShock, but I guess the right analog stick placement doesn’t bother you on every single controller?

Shouldn’t you be complaining about the right analog stick placement on every controller?

Or is your post just fake and gay?

>>9820328
Both of those are "natural thumb placement". The thumb moves along an arc

>>9820328
Both are fine, unless you're a soibot user.

DS is my favorite controller

This thread confuses me. I'm a manlet with small hands and have never had trouble with any controllers.

>>9820334
What if I have strong chad thumbs like yours?

>>9820705
Kek'd

PS4 is probably the best iteration of the dualshock imo.

the thing is you have to choose between somewhat suboptimal analog placement and an unusable dpad, the dpad gets hurt much more being in the unergonomic position because of it requiring you to press farther down on a flat surface. with all the 2d games I've played on my dualshock over the years I think it ends up being a reasonable compromise even if the decision probably had little to do with dpad functionality.

>>9820705
What the FUCK is that hand

>>9820875
>*PS3

>>9820986
Battery wise? Yes.
Ergonomically? No.

>>9820990
Yeah, ergonomically PS5 controller is the only one made for adult hands

>>9820402
>touchscreen
>no joystick
>stylus
>shoulder buttons get stuck and you have to blow out the dust
>DS best
baka shiggy my head

>>9820990
PS3 has analog buttons. The PS4 controller is a downgrade and a mistake.

>>9820935
Analog stick doesn't really matter all that much. Pressing dpad right is slightly a bit stressful that's it. Despite that given the ergonomics of Xbox controller, it's still the better choice.
Main advantage of having analog stick at the bottom is that you can claw grip dpad for weapons.
>>9821007
Analog buttons are absolutely useless and should have never been implemented. DS1-3 are amongst the worst controllers of all time. They just added those sticks with no thought given.

>>9821007
>it has a retarded gimmick

>>9821004
kek

>>9821010
I thought the DS1 was way more comfortable than what came afterwards imo. Somehow about the plastic feels shit to hold onto and the sticks get painful to use after a while, which, thankfully got fixed with DS4.

DS2 had probably the best rumble features though.

>>9820619
Most games use left stick and buttons as the primary controls, so it makes more sense for those to be in mirrored positions.

>>9821021
Plastic quality sometimes changes even amongst the same controller line. Some anon was posting about it in another thread. But I agree on that plastic quality doesn't get enough attention. It matters more than many other aspects.

>>9821010
>Main advantage of having analog stick at the bottom is that you can claw grip dpad for weapons.
no it isn't you dweeb, it's the dpad being in the primary position it's always been in on classic dpad only controllers.

>>9821027
>Plastic quality sometimes changes even amongst the same controller line

That is definitely true. Went to a friends house a while back before they got a PS5. There's definitely a strange plastic quality that varies over the course of the controller's production cycle. Good to see I'm not the only one who has noticed it (I even noticed that the D-Pad on one PS4 controller was PS1 grey until it went completely black in the later ones. Very strange.)

>>9821043
I believe fighting game players has made a list of all PS controller. Same is also true for SNES controllers as well. Microsoft also makes subtle changes to theier design. So it's not just Sony.

>>9821054
Strange. That's interesting all right.
I can understand production quality shifting over time, but colour design wise? Interesting stuff.

>>9821043
>I even noticed that the D-Pad on one PS4 controller was PS1 grey until it went completely black in the later ones
Pretty sure it was the opposite.
Dualshock4 V1 has black d-pad.
Dualshock4 V2 (the one with a lightbar in the trackpad) has grey d-pad

>>9821087
DS4 v1 v2
For SNES they changed it with newer SNES model.

>>9821102
nah, the one my friend had he got back in like early 2015 and was super solid. had grey D-Pad buttons on it, and the other one was a PS4Pro controller with a black D-Pad on it, and felt more hollow.

>>9821107
>>9821108

Post some shitty accessories

>>9821117
>controller not included

sad!

>>9821108
Maybe that's when they changed it? Or knock off. Or online info is false (it happened in the past)

>>9821131
could've been a "testing-the-waters" model that he managed to get a hold of. it was really high quality compared to some of the other models, and felt better in the hands too somehow. other versions afterwards felt a little bigger somehow. it was a strange controller.

>>9821012
>>9821010
>more function
>a gimmick

Might as well get rid of analog sticks then. Dpad works just fine! Also many games disagree with you, MGS2-3 for example.

>>9821167
>binds aiming on L1
And nothing of value was lost

>>9821167
You can't adjust your thumb like that. Also no game uses it in a meaningful manner. You have to get the maximum speed in racing games*, Ace Combat and so on. As MGS 2-3 it's the stupidest idea. On top of it MGS 2 and 3 works best when you assign buttons to be like MGS 5.
Arcade racing games require 100% pressure and even for simulation games you can't adjust button press with your thumb.

>>9820996
It’s fucking big though. My hands aren’t big to be honest but I liked the PS4 better. Also the fact it tapers to the end makes it less comfortable to hold.
However, I’ve been playing Returnal recently and the controller is surprisingly very comfortable and the buttons respond just right. Not sure if it’s excitement because I like the game or I just didn’t like the DS5 for no reason.

>>9821214
>arguing for less functionality because I’m too small brained to see usefullness even though I’ve been shown many examples

>>9821283
Thumb can't be used for small degree adjustments on a gamepad button. Pressure sensitive buttons require mushy buttons.

>>9821283
>holding a dude and slitting his throat on the same button
>more functionality

Any controller is fine as long as the sticks are round and don't have little polygon shapes molded into the sides of them. Gamecube sticks suck ass and make its version of RE4 unplayable for me. Those old logitech controllers with the square shape are even worse.

>>9820328
Zoomer hands made this picture

>>9821326
That pic is older than zoomers, it was used in bait thread on /v/ many years ago.

>>9821326
stale buzzword. try suspending your disbelief about this stuff being made by zoomies for once, anon.

>>9820328
Nobody ever seems to complain about the right analog stick or the right shoulder buttons being hard to use because the stick is not on the position where the buttons are, so I don't get why the left stick is such a big deal.

Personally, I can use the left stick in either position, because the stick has more height than the pad, even if it's not on the main position your finger doesn't need to stretch as much, so it's comfortable either way. The D-pad, on the other hand, is very uncomfortable unless it's on the main position.

Credit to Xbox though, their layout is still not as bad after you get used to it, I think the way Nintendo does it by putting the D-Pad straight down from the stick is the fucking worst, it feels like I have to retract my finger to use the d-pad and it gives me cramps after a while.

>>9820328
Debate

>>9821397
Comfortable to hold, not comfortable to use.

>>9820328
I've seen 1st gen AIs draw hands better than you.

i greatly prefer the asymmetrical xbox style

>>9820328
I almost always use d-pads so DS works for me perfectly

>>9820364
Even doe ps1 had4t4dhw them

>>9820328
DS4 for 3d games, Saturn (and homages like M30) for 2d.

Simple as.

>>9820328
i usually prefer using dpad instead of analog sticks when i can, and obviously when im playing /vr/, so id argue the PS controller is actually the ergonomic one

putting the dpad low is fucking annoying. thats how my 3DS is and i hate it since the stick is slippery useless shit, but the dpad is awesome its just in the wrong spot

I don't think the dualshocks got comfortable until the DS4. Nintendo and Sega's controllers were more comfortable even when they had some poor design decisions otherwise. Neither the duke nor controller-s were very good from Microsoft, but their post /vr/ controllers are nice.

>>9820616
The WiiU is the best console of all time, you're right.

>>9820328

>>9821782
i tend to agree. N64 for ex, looks like some sort of trident/sextoy mashup, but is incredibly ergonomic and fits a huge amount of hand sizes comfortably. better design than its given credit for

the one thing i think sony nailed way earlier than its competitors was the number, and simultaneous use of, all the buttons
like think about it, even the non analog controllers of PS had 4 face buttons, 4 shoulder buttons, start and select. then the DS gives you two stick clicks. sure it lacked 6 face buttons for fighting games, but the large variety of buttons allowed the early PS library to be a lot more complex than the prior gen, and most of its competitors. look at MGS for ex. that game wouldve been impossible without all those buttons being handy

the DS was also a good jumping off point, so they could then include pressure sensitivity and whatnot very easily in the next few gens. as opposed to their competitors "baby with the bathwater" idea of redesigning the controller every gen

When my 360 controller gave up the ghost I switched to a PS3 and found I liked it far better. Way more comfortable to hold.

>>9820328
No, they're not.
You fucking retard.

>>9820328
Dualshock is good if you have crippled faggot hands, otherwise Xbox.

>>9821809
>i tend to agree. N64 for ex, looks like some sort of trident/sextoy mashup,
It gets a lot of glances and comments from women

>>9820935
This. I've never had issues using the analogue sticks on a dualshock. But I've never used a controller with a d-pad in the lower position that felt good to use as a primary input

>>9821795
what if you're playing a 2D game or a fighter though

>>9820328

>>9820364
Dualshock released in 1996.
kys and never come back

>>9822125
>it doesn't know
how embarrassing

Clawing the dpad on a PS controller is easier than clawing on an Xbox controller. Like moving while changing items in Dark Souls for example.

>>9820328
I liked dualshocks as a kid, hated them as a teen, and now as a twennysummin I think they're okay. Thr GC controller has always been the most comfortable to me.

I play playstation games on emulator with my xbone controller and I'm sure the knowledge of me doing this is bound to make at least one autist on this board seethe with rage for at least 10 minutes.

>>9822846
I should mention that I have small hands and fat fingers (relative to the size of my palms)

>>9821397
Perfect for twin stick shooters. Do not use for anything else. The black one is more masculine

>>9821938
what if you play other kinds of games that use the stick?

>>9822125
Dualanalog realised in 1996.
Dualshock realised in 1997 in Japan.

dualshocks have this issue where they aren't ergonomic unless you're moving forward with the stick or using the d-pad