/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9784873
NOLF2 was the best "smart" FPS game ever.

>>9784875
What the fuck does that mean?

>>9784890
it means that once upon a time, adding broken stealth mechanics or RPG elements made your game a "thinking man's FPS" to people who hated action games (pic related)

>implying abandonware is a real thing

You probably also delete your roms after 24 hours

>>9784913
Its just a way of saying the isn't updated and sold anymore.

>>9784873

Freelancer

>>9784913

I feel OK playing abandonware because literally no one is benefitting by them being unpublished. If something's on GOG, or Steam or wherever, I do prefer giving the developers something.

Is it technically piracy? Also yes, but it's a bit like comparing smoking weed to smoking crack. I'm not ripping off a developer by downloading a game that I literally can't buy anywhere. You are kinda doing that when you download games that you could in good conscience pay for, and I can afford to pay.

>>9784890
bazoongas

>>9784907
Seems Tom Hall was behind that review

>>9784873
how easy is it to get running on win10 if I'd theoretically pirated it?

>>9784913
Nobody cares that it's not a legal term, neither is vaporware. Abandonware just means that the game isn't marketed or published anymore, and that the rights holders don't give a fuck about it.

>>9784907
Edge magazine were being intentionally contrarian, which was their entire brand, "clickbait" for the 90s.

>>9785465
He didn't hate action games, he just wanted to do more things than those. Eventually, he got to do a rather ambitious RPG named Anachronox.
If Tom Hall had been inexplicably roped back into iD for Quake (and Tim Willits was launched into the sun with a rocket built by Carmack), then Quake might just have been realized as the open world fantasy game which John Romero originally wanted to do, he'd probably get along really well with Sandy Petersen. It'd have been action-y too, but a different kind, and with a larger world and scope.
I love the Quake we got, and it's a miracle the landfill-coal-seam-fire which was its development turned out a game which was good at all, but one can imagine.

Wizardry 1-5
No other answer needed.

>>9785972
Does Ur-Quan Masters count? The devs just game the source away and now the nerds have upgraded it to an excellent state

>>9784907
How the fuck are imps green?

>>9784913
I torrent games I hate hundreds of times so the developer loses money. I'm based like that. My PC can't even run anything.

>>9785469
Quite easy. I installed it shortly before making this thread, and other than a tiny bit of stuttering in the first level it has been a smooth experience.
As for the game itself, it's a lot more polished than the first one, but the RPG elements and looting don't feel like an improvement. It also hasn't been quite as funny. So far I think the first game is better despite the major engine improvements.

Simpsons: Hit & Run
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/the-simpsons-hit-run-bg6

I never really figured out why it is abandonware, seems like an odd one since it's such a huge IP for FOX

>>9786004
Isn't it one of the more memorable Simpsons games?

>>9784873
play nfs porsche
https://mega.nz/file/q0pHkD7a#Ro_tpqD1h6xmVGx-b5EhXBdP40IUHGP0m5jhzSCW5aA

>>9784913
I would torrent some games on purpose if that means the publisher loses money

>>9785469
nolfrevival.tk
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>>9784873

>>9784875
whats the best retard fps ever?

>>9788186
Painkiller

>>9788212
second this, daniel was such a dumbass

>>9786004
>I never really figured out why it is abandonware
combination of assets lost + multiple companies that would have owned the game have gone bankrupt or been absorbed into much larger companies

if it was to get a remake, it would take paying...activision/microsoft, i think? and Disney for the simpsons rights. and they would have to remake it from scratch. All of these things are more expensive than a small scale GTA clone can feasibly make back, so it's abandoned forever.

>>9788216
>Heaven's got a hitman
Will always be a kino tagline

I imagine most people who play their games already know this, but Alice Soft rereleased a ton of their old games as freeware.
The quality varies heavily; some are famously bad, but Rance III is still one of my favorite RPGs to this day.

>>9784890
Damn, hot 3D slut in that game:
https://youtu.be/MNskkqG_1r4?t=1973

>>9786149
Does that down load work on modern systems?

>>9788872
I don't even know why I bother

>>9788875
Hm cool I didn't even click the link, please tell me there's a Need for Speed: High Stakes ready to play version too?

>>9786149
k, lame, seems XBox controller doesn't work with it though.

>>9788949
remove
- dinput.dll
- dinput8.dll
- devreorder.ini

>>9788951
Very cool, thanks, and my old save file from 2004 still works!

It was truly the last great racing game, after that it was all games with:
-all closed/pro tracks or full open city racing
-no more cockpit views
-no more traffic during races
-no more great techno music

>>9788935
I don't have it, this board recommends emulating nfs 3 and 4 though

>>9788449
Once you get into it, Kichikuou Rance is one of the greatest territory conquest games ever released.

Thanks Tim

jill of the jungle

>>9784873
NOLF2 isn't abandonware (although let's face it - abandonware is a fake term that was invented which means "it's old therefore it's ok to steal)
Whoever claimed it was is talking out of their ass.
The actual situation with NOLF2 is that nobody knows who actually owns the IP due to a clusterfuck of acquisitions, restructurings and bankruptcies, and there isn't enough interest to warrant the expense of hiring (((lawyers))) to sort it all out.

>>9785252
>If something's on GOG, or Steam or wherever, I do prefer giving the developers something.
The developers aren't getting anything.

>>9789349
>The actual situation with NOLF2 is that nobody knows who actually owns the IP due to a clusterfuck of acquisitions, restructurings and bankruptcies, and there isn't enough interest to warrant the expense of hiring (((lawyers))) to sort it all out.
That is what abandonware is. You defined abandonware.

>>9789339
>NOLF2 isn't abandonware
>The actual situation with NOLF2 is that everyone abandoned it
(You)

>>9789398
retard

fuck
>>9789349
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>>9789398

>>9785990
Whoever wrote this played Episode 1 on ITYTD and stopped.

>>9785990
>>9789409
Sorry, that didn't answer the question.
They played two levels of Knee Deep in the Dead on ITYTD, assumed green lizards would be in it eventually, and stopped because it was dark and scary.
But you can't make friends with the murder mutants so it's bad, too.

>>9789383
>>9789398
'abandonware' is nothing but a cope for freeloaders.
Most things that are classed as abandonware do not have any legal issues surrounding them.
Just admit you're stealing and end the mental gymnastics.

So after playing for awhile, I've come to the conclusion that NOLF2 isn't as good as the first game. Agree or disagree?

>>9784873
I really enjoy Myth 1 and 2. 3 also appears to be abandoned but I just didn't like how it felt at all.

>>9788449
They aren't famously bad. They are just bad. No need for the hyperbole about late 80s porn games made by literal teens which no one remembers.

>>9789647
Tell me who I'm stealing from first

>>9789812
>It's not theft of you don't know who the owner is.
I hope you're only pretending to be retarded.

>>9789812
>It's not theft if you don't know who the owner is.
I hope you're only pretending to be retarded.

>>9789349
There are people that should be robbed and massacred, and you're one of them.

Downloaded NOLF because it looks neat but it keeps crashing after I go through the intro scenes before the main menu. I have it downloaded with the modernizer and all that. Not sure how to fix it.

>>9784873
There is no such thing as abandonware. An uncle somewhere at Nintendo owns it, he just doesn't know or care.

>>9789858
lmao cope and seethe, faggot.

>>9788319
In case you weren't aware, there's some rando completely redoing the visuals to match the show.>>9788319

https://youtu.be/HVuM26hi-iI

>>9788449
Yeah, the archive has been around for nearly twos decades and the latest game is still Kichikuou Rance (which is great, but I thought they'd add more games as time went by)
I like their late 90s games : Kaerunyo Panyon, Persiom and Zero Shiki are really unique with lovely artstyle.

>>9784913
If it's not being sold on a storefront anymore, then why the fuck should anyone care if it's legal or not?

>>9785967
Romero getting fired in the same way than Hall was poetic. He wanted to make a deep game and suffered the same fate, probably for a moment he thought "Maybe Tom was right"

>>9789024
>my old save file from 2004 still works!
based, wish I backed up my NFS saves before my hard drive ate shit back in 2002

I am not kidding

>>9791563
Tom Hall got the boot because as so much of what he had worked on got axed, he felt disconnected from the other guys and like there was increasingly little for him to provide the project, so he worked less overall. He ultimately accepts getting the boot because he comes to terms with how he simply wants to do other games. He ends up at Apogee, working on Wolfenstein 3D 2, which becomes Rise Of The Triad, and while it's certainly very different from Wolf3D and Doom, he seems kind of ambivalent about that game, injecting some ideas and humor of his, but he clearly wanted an all new direction with how he geared towards making Anachronox later on.

John Romero got the boot because he talked up this grand vision of a medieval dark fantasy open world game they should make, one which they had all been spitballing ever since the Commander Keen era, but then doesn't commit particularly well to it. He drafted up about a page of stuff as a design document, and then he was absent a lot of the time, sometimes he'd be off engaging in side projects, like supporting the development of Hexen and Strife, and other times he'd simply not be doing any work on any project, instead playing Doom 2 deathmatch with fans, playing Streetfighter 2 with Shawn Green, or other stuff outside the office.
To some defense of Romero, John Carmack really took a lot of time putting Quake's engine together, he was damn near pulling his hair making it actually work right, so there was probably a lot of stuff which couldn't properly be tested or developed until certain points. However, it was still a continuation of Romero's weakening work ethics as seen during Doom 2's development, and you've got the rest of the team left struggling with coming up with ANYTHING to actually do with development, hence why you had Kevin Cloud and Adrian Carmack making all kinds of textures and other assets to pass the time, some which don't even get used at all for the finished game.

>>9784907
Broken? Worked a treat. Enemies had GOAP AI to work properly. Used the same way in FEAR

>>9785469
Piracy means theft of IP. None of the publisher's can decide who owns it. There is a site you can just download both, Google it, not much config from what I remember

>>9784907
>>9785465
>>9785967
>>9785990
>>9789409
>>9789413
If you want to hear that article dissected in detail, here:
https://youtu.be/38zduHkwGcc?t=9109
25 minutes of autistic rambling, and the man's kind of obnoxious, but it's a good breakdown.

>>9784873
>Battlefield 1942
>Drakan
>Heretic II
>Undying
https://mega.nz/folder/3t8nzSIS#947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqA/folder/709EEbrB

>>9789818
>if nobody monetizes it, it should just die
jew

>>9784873
I hate that winter mission with respawning enemies! Pissed me off.

>>9784890
>Dark Earth
Yeah i used Milkshape3D back then haha

>>9789330
We need a source port of this...
Source is out there, the only thing left is the autism to do the job

>>9789647
>Just admit you're stealing
Stealing from a company that doesn't exist anymore?
Are you stupid?

>>9796804
>engaging with anyone who thinks creating a flawless copy while keeping the original intact is stealing
>ever