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Sonic 3 is Sonic going realistic.

>>9778331
Sonic 2 just has the best flow out of the 3

>>9778334
Sonic 3 level design has exploration and backtracking in mind because of the hidden rings

Sonic 2 is so grossly overrated by fans. The levels are too short and too easy. It's a rushed game. Sonic 3 is a vastly better game, and Marble Garden is probably better than any zone in Sonic 2.

I swear to God I will put myself throught the janny choosing process just so I can ban sonic from this board, the threads are always shit and only serve to push actual discussion away.

Sonic 2 level design is shit, it falls apart after Casino Night, it has too many levels without enough interesting ideas, both Sky Chase and Wing Fortress are filler in a game that already has too much

>>9778374
This board would be better if people just talked about N64 or earlier Nintendo titles, and PC titles from around that time or earlier.

>>9778343
Sonic 3&K is the easiest but it's still way better than 2. 2fags are the same as Sunshine or Windwaker fags in that they pretend to like shittier entries to seem more interesting

>>9778327
You just have crap taste if you really think so. Sonic 3 and Knuckles really was the peak of Sonic at their release. Even the levels themselves seem to have more details going on so it isn't even just the layouts either.

>>9778376
I hate you both
Half you dorks don't even like video games as a whole, its just another idiot fanboy blow-off valve like sports or politics

>>9778387
I like video games as a whole, it's just that threads about other platforms are always shitfests, particularly sony and sonic threads

>>9778389
Dude I loved Nintendo growing up and if you had asked young me I would have told you they were the best ever, and for certain things that holds true to this day, like for example I don't think there's a 3D platformer that has surpassed SM64 -
I say all of that to say, there is not a more obnoxious group of fanboys on this board then the Nintendo fanboys. Sonic is second place but it's not even a close second because they largely keep to themselves by comparison.

>>9778331
No please go on.

>>9778374
this board at any given moment is like 1/3 sanic and RE baitposts

>>9778327
Marble Garden is generally unrewarding and dull yeah, call it the Marble/Ruins curse. But Carnival Night is surprisingly fun and breezy for a token Pinball level, and Icecap is downright fun, period.

Launch Base plays mostly like a mean practical joke though. I believe they even tweaked it a little more than the other levels for S&K

>>9778374
You certainly qualify for the essential self-absorbed angry impotence required for the job.

>>9778327
Sonic 2 is a great game to speedrun and try to beat as fast as possible.
Sonic 3 & Knuckles is a great longplay game. Tons of levels with unique gimmicks and hidden big rings, 2 sets of special stages, hyper emeralds, etc. It takes longer to beat than 2, especially if you want the emeralds, but it's still easy to 100% in one sitting and it has a lot more substance to it.

3 > CD > 1 > 2 > Chaotix

People bitching about Sonic level design are retarded. It's Sonic. You go forward and jump/spin sometimes. No you running into spikes or whatever by surprise on your 100th playthrough over the past 30 years isn't a relevant argument. Yes we know it didn't align with what you wanted, that's why you got hit by spikes. You don't see literally any other franchise inventing this notion that you're supposed to "just beat" the game.

>>9778327
Get the fuck out Xmas 92 Babby
3&K > 1 > 2 > CD

>>9778567
>Marble Garden is generally unrewarding and dull
Trash and wrong taste

>>9779673
t. retard
Sonic 3&K has the best level design in all of video games

I always thought the levels in Sonic 3 dragged for too long, anyone else?
I still played the shit out of Sonic 3 and I was hyped as fuck because I was like the biggest Sonic fan in my neighborhood, but I knew that Sonic 2 was more fun.
Similar situation with Mortal Kombat 2 and 3.

>>9780248
only marble garden and sandopolis

>>9778567
>I believe they even tweaked it a little more than the other levels for S&K
They made it way, way easier in S3&K. The most obvious change being you skip the final boss.

>>9781032
And another fun fact: said boss is the only one in the series that can cancel Super Sonic.

>>9778567
>marble garden is generally unrewarding and dull
lol faggot

>>9778548
This. I love Nintendo too (I replay OoT, MM, SMB3 pretty often) but there is a certain breed of Nintendo fans I feel aren't actually passionate about videogames and refuse to try anything retro that's not the games they played when they were 8.

>>9782143
>>9780245
Marble Garden is easily the worst zone in S3&K, it has a weak theme and the level gimmicks barely tie into it. I'd ask you what the worst zone is but you'd probably say some stupid shit like Sandopolis or Carnival Night because those levels have good gimmicks

>>9782156
Flying Battery

>>9778327
Marble Garden Zone is great. You're probably taking the lower path which sucks. Take the high path, it's fun.

>>9782153
>refuse to try anything retro that's not the games they played when they were 8.
Out of curiosity, how do you know this? It's not like you can know every anon's background or what they have or have not played.
As for obnoxious people, fanboys are annoying in general and that includes nintendo ones, but I think the anti-nintendo crowd is actually more obnoxious than the pro-nintendo ones. You don't see nearly as much vitriols from sony/sega haters as you see from nintendo haters.

>>9778327
S3K is objectively better but Sonic 2 has more soul. Sonic 3 is really good at what it does and does it nearly flawlessly (let's ignore Marble Garden, Carnival Night, and Sandopolis), but Sonic became such a science by this time that ChatGPT could have designed the levels, which kind of just blend together. Comparatively, Sonic 2 was still an experimental game made by a bunch of lads having fun trying to come up with cool shit, which results in every level being different, even if none of them are ideal. Sonic 3 is a mathematically perfect circle, but Sonic 2 is the golden ratio, which is just more interesting to me as I grow older. Sonic 3 is by no means boring, it's a terrific game, but I'm dissociating when I play it.

Play another series, it’s vr not sth

Filtred.

>>9782887
There's always one of them whenever we have a Sonic thread

&K >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3

>>9782697
>You don't see nearly as much vitriols from sony/sega haters as you see from nintendo haters.

I mean aren't you tired of hearing about "early" 3D "revolutionary" title... that came out in 98?

>>9783176
I don't see how getting triggered by OOT (I assume you mean that one) means there's vitriol from sony/sega haters.
Nintendo is weird because it attracts:
-Normies
-"Fandom" people
-Extremely autistic people (both positive and negative)
Of the later, the "positive" can for sure be obnoxious, as are the "Fandom" people, but the negative, anti-Nintendo autistic ones are by far the weirdest ones, and you don't see these kind of autistic haters for other brands, it's only Nintendo that makes people like Rugarell, Manly Tears, Quentin and here on /vr/ our own schizo australia-kun, who seethes every single day of his life about Nintendo.
TL;DR nintendo fans can be bad but nintendo haters can be even worse.

>>9779673
Level design in a Sonic game is arguably more important than other platformers. If a level has no good speeding sections with well placed jumps and isn't a decent length its going to probably be a bad Sonic level. Plus rings need to be placed around the level. You are just an ass.

>>9782697
>It's not like you can know every anon's background or what they have or have not played.
Not that anon, but this is a disingenuous argument. You see enough anecdotes that you start to see a pattern. Nintendo fanboys don't always stick to just Nintendo, but they will put down anyone who even slightly marginalizes their brand choice or tries to talk about a clone or similar game to a Nintendo franchise saying Nintendo did it better.

On top of that it happens almost without fail in Sonic threads because Sonic was the franchise that tried the hardest to compete with Nintendo.

>>9783110
Yeah basically this. Best musics and the art is the top of what the Genesis could do. Mushroom hill is SOUL. Angel Island is bland and crappy.

You know that Sonic and Knuckles is actually Sonic 4 so that makes a ton of sense that it's better. It's not even an add-on. It's basically Sonic engine (not really an engine but you'll understand what I mean) 3.5, kinda like the 32x. So instead of paying for a teeny upgrade they let you upgrade all your games.

32x sucks btw.

Sonic 3 is the only 10/10 game of the 90s

Fyi portal and cuphead are also 10/10s

I'm still mad.

>>9784181
About what? Both look cute

>>9778554
>>9778331
This. Sonic 3s realism is what sold it for me. Fuck Mario.

>>9778548
Have you tried croc on psx and Saturn? It's better than Mario 64. Trust me.

People tend to shit on Sandopolis as a whole but I always thought Act 1 was cool.

>>9784924
both acts are good, they're very distinct and i quite enjoy that. i don't really get people that shit on act 2 just because it's the one level in the game that has a ghost gimmick

>>9786769
It's also just long as shit with a bunch of repeating segments. It's the only level in the series where you can actually reasonably get a Time Over.

>>9778327
Yeah, it feels way too cramped for me. Sonic 3 is filled with a lot of stinkers except Angel Island and Ice Cap. Every level in Sonic and Knuckles is good though.

>>9778375
>after Casino Night
>the zone that's just an annoying sequence of bumpers and shitty slots minigames
Casino Night is the worst zone in the game by a fucking long shot. The &K portion of S3&K is flawless, and even though Sonic 3 has Marble Garden, the rest of it is nothing but top-tier zones that outdo most of Sonic 2's.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>9784924
Sandopolis is just a much better executed and more fun Mystic Cave.