/vr/ - Retro Games

I spent $75 on a tv recently, was tired of being composite only. Felt like I got stiffed a little but man, component ain't bad. Looks fantastic. If I lived in a city I probably could have gotten one for less, or even for free.

>>9771179
That's not a bad price tbqh depending on quality/size

>>9771167
So what's the best CRT shader these days? CRT royale?

>>9771526
dunno, we use real hardware here

What game we looking at here? Jet Moto?

picked up this bad girl today, 20"

>>9771526
Fucking fuck no what model tv do people think royale looks similar to

Does anyone know what this thing is called? I need a new one but don't know what search terms to use.

>>9771891
that kinda looks like the flyback transformer, did you cut the anode wire/cap off? that's all very difficult to replace.

>>9771891
is there no text on it?

>>9771714
no adjustments made, im pretty happy with the geometry as is. very late gen crt, 2008. probably low quality but it's in great shape

>>9772032
>composite
I'm sorry, anon.
The geometry doesn't look too bad, you only have some vertical bowing to the bottom, I don't think that's fixable through a service menu. Would need to adjust the yoke physically.
Does the VCR and DVD player work?

>>9772056
sometimes i use rf, on purpose :0)
both the vhs and dvd appear to function perfectly. going to use it as my general purpose office tv. i like to throw on a movie when i work on stuff

>>9772056
>>9772056 #
sometimes i use rf, on purpose :0)
both the vhs and dvd appear to function perfectly. going to use it as my general purpose office tv. i like to throw on a movie when i work on stuff

>>9771716
>provides no alternative
sasuga

>>9772074
>both the vhs and dvd appear to function perfectly
That's nice to hear. Never had a TV with a player myself, but people often post about them breaking and being difficult to repair, because they're built in a TV.

>>9772082
yeah i have one 14" vcr unit from my childhood that turns off if i try to play a tape. i wanna pop it open and see if i can replace some caps but i haven't found the time

>>9772080
>provides no alternative
Play the games on a CRT, the alternative is obvious

>>9772098
That's not a CRT shader

>>9772110
you're goddamned right

Is it normal for early 3D games to look worse on component compared to composite?

>>9772437
yes, they are made for composite

>>9771995
It's a small head that pops on and off of a white wire that comes out of the flyback transformer. Everything else about it is intact. The little piece that I posted was damaged and the two prongs were broken in half and it won't secure to the neck board anymore.
>>9772014
No, it's completely bare. The service manual nor replacement transformers available online don't have the red thing attached to it so I can't for the life of me figure out what it's called.

>>9772437
PS1 games on my PS2 with component look amazing but can't speak for anything outside that.

>>9772437
No that is not normal. Probably bad cables.

Hi. I am a retard. Could you help me please?
>>>/g/92375720

I keep seeing something called Extron 192V, not sure if its worth the price either cause nobody has made an offer for it

>>9775962
If you have to ask you probably don't need it. It's a drvice that converts between different sync types. I know that some prople use these to play PS2 480p-capable games on their scaler or VGA monitor.

>>9776613

>>9772812
any luck?
post the TV model name

pvm kong

>>9777386
Playing DKC3 on DXM be like

>>9775035
I have no idea for what reason you would need to do such an imbecilic thing, but I honestly hope your set breaks.

>>9777386
Do pvmfags seriously think this looks good?

>>9777484
no need for adversity. he clearly wants to use a tv as a computer monitor. common topic in these threads, for emulation or what have you.

>>9771167
Just bought this SC1224 monitor for my Atari 1040 STFM. Crystal clear picture, I'm so happy. Manufactured in 1990.

>>9777938

>>9777118
Sony KV-27S42.
I still haven't found the name of the component. I've been able to get it functional by very carefully using solder to create a small extension of the prongs, but it's far from secure and it falls out easily by moving the tv around.

>>9771526
I use MiSTer, I think it's fine. Retroarch probably has the same options it has. Here I'm using adaptive scanlines, HDR and a PVM shadowmask.

If you're going to try and emulate a CRT, though, HDR is a must. You can't get anywhere near the clarity and brightness of a CRT without HDR. You'll also need resolutions of 1440p at the very least, but 4k is even better. I recommend sticking around CRT friends threads and saving your favorite shots as a reference and try to approximate the look is probably the best approach.

>>9777938
>>9777940
SOVL

>>9777528
>Do pvmfags seriously think this looks good?
we make fun of them for a reason

>>9778185
>Sony KV-27S42.
Mate, did you even look for a service manual?
If it's a Sony it's definitely online
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/159689/Sony-Trinitron-Kv-27s42.html?page=31#manual

Any tips on maintaining a CRT when you have dandruff? I noticed I tend to get build up on the bottom lip/edge where the glass meets the chassis frame.
I also noticed that any flakes on the glass screen can leave shadows during game play. It's tolerable, but not worth wiping off every day.

>>9779609
Have you heard of a vacuum cleaner?

>>9779609
brother i have dandruff and this doesn't happen. are you playing with your face against the glass? getting a little zap when you kiss the girl on the screen? almost like she's real?

I remember someone here or elsewhere telling me that plugging a modern PC into a consumer TV can damage it badly because of the different refresh rates (TV requiring 15kHz) or something?
Is there any truth to this, or is it a misconception?
I wanted to just get a decent HDMI to Component converter and use my laptop and old Sanyo CRT for watching movies etc in the spare room, but I'm afraid I'm going to blow it up.

>>9779660
>is it a misconception?
the anon was correct

>>9779662
Is there a safe way to plug a laptop/PC into a consumer CRT then? Everytime I google it I keep finding people on forums just saying to buy a HDMI to Composite/component converter.
tempted to buy a Raspberri Pi or similar mini computer that has composite out, but they're all impossible to find with the chip shortage/whatever is happening with China.

>>9779660
i'm not an expert, but i don't think the refresh rate would matter, there just wouldn't be sync. but vga uses more voltage for sync, which could damage a tv if you make a scart cable wrong or something. computer monitors might be damaged from refresh rates outside their specs, but all the ones i've tried just don't display the signal with no apparent damage. depends on the monitor i bet. an hdmi to component converter would work. the thing you'd want to pay attention to is the resolution and refresh rate, not because you're at risk of damaging your tv, but to get what you want to display. make sure the converter does 240p if you want that. see if it downscales the video signal, which isn't necessary and might be unwanted if you can just set a resolution on your laptop. downscaling might also introduce input lag if you're concerned about that.

>>9779670
HDMI to composite will rape your picture quality and most likely add some lag. You'll get forced interlacing so no 240p, on top of it being composite.
The correct way to do this is with native VGA out or a DP to VGA adapter. This way you get RGB, assuming you can output a proper mode from your GPU. And anons have written essays on it, I see this shit reposted every thread here.
From there you can use a RGB to YPbPr transcoder if your TV has a component input.

I have 6 CRTs
2 of them PVM

I haven't turned one on for over 3 months and the rest are gathering dust in my basement.

I think I'll start getting rid of them.

>>9780185
What was the point in getting them if you weren't going to use them?

>>9775962
It's for when you've got a bunch of rgb devices that put out different kinds of sync and a rgb monitor that only accepts one kind of sync. Also somehow it fixes some issues that I have with CAVE games on MiSTeR that are otherwise have no color.
>>9776613
I think you're talking about people trying to get 240p out of the PS2 for certain games like SF2 by using an Extron VSC in conjunction with the RGB interface.

lol someone in another thread was trying to convince another anon that RGB on an N64 is pointless and not better than S-video

>>9780185
Why don't you sell them instead of letting them waste away? I'm sure some /vr/ dudes out there would take 'em.

>>9780365
I wouldn't bother with RGB on N64 unless you're upscaling it for a modern display.

>>9780365
what this guy >>9780470 says
Even composite on N64 is pretty good on a CRT

>>9772074
>DVD and VHS player
You have no idea how jealous I am. My small crt has only has a dvd player and my other big one has a vhs player but it's broken and won't play movies. Pretty sure getting it fixed isn't possible these days.
Also how does RF look like? Is it much worse than composite or just about the same?

i have a little 5" black and white set. planning on composite modding it, but for the time being it's rf only, and 3.5mm at that. i've displayed a picture on it using an rca to headphone adapter, but the picture seemed to have some interference. i want to get an 3.5mm adapter. i'm thinking that a coax to 3.5mm would be better compared to rca to 3.5mm because i have a thick, shielded coax cable i could use, but the rf out on the consoles i own are all rca, which would require that i have another adapter for rca to coax. would there be more interference using 2 adapters and a shielded coax cable, or using 1 adapter and a less-shielded rca cable?

>>9780365
Barely any better on a CRT. Deblur mod will make a bigger difference, but it still kinda looks like ass.

RF output is the best and most soulful on any console.

>>9780967
I used RF on all my consoles until late 2021 when I could no longer find a way to wiggle the wires on the RF box to get a clear snowless picture. Looking for a replacement and realizing how much better things could have been was certainly an eye opener.

>>9780960
Looks good on my 900TVL RGB monitor. Blur enabled, of course.

>>9780980
The artifacts are what's soulful about RF. Unless they're a bit too much of course

>>9777528
Sour grapes.

First time playing this and it lives up to the hype.

Are there any companies producing new CRTs currently?

>>9779741
Thanks for the input, I might look into a DP to VGA adapter like >>9779746 suggested.
Appreciate the input, guys. The TV in mind has component input, so DP to VGA to Component might be the best step, although it seems like a lot of hoops to jump through by that point.
I'll keep an eye out for one of these essays in the thread.
In the meantime I'm enjoying playing games and watching DVDs on it.

>>9781087
I don't believe so. They're incredibly difficult to manufacture and ship vs flat-screen TVs and the market is very very niche.
I think the most recent would have been broadcast quality monitors, but even those have been replaced with OLEDs in recent years IIRC.

>>9781087
No. The last one in China closed down over 10 years ago. Last one in America closed in 2006 and they were only making small CRTs for aircraft HUDs.

>>9781087
dottronix, but the tubes are NOS, now pay up

Sony PVM-1342Q on facebook for 75

thoughts? I've never had a pvm, is it worth getting if it works?

>>9781579
totally worth it if it works

>>9780960
>>9780506
>>9780470
I have a 5X so I'd have any and all setting on to make it look good

>>9781579
I dunno if that’s beyond a consumer CRT picture
If the low profile form factor is enough, go ahead

>>9781376
FUCK, Lord Saddler not only wanted to bring down the US, but also sold brand new CRTs. What a cool guy. And that dumbass Leon had to kill him...

>>9780365
>>9780470
>>9780506
Very funny joke, my fellow anons, but we all know N64 looks like shit no matter what.

Why can't CRTs do purple?

>>9781745
Stick with S-Video and use scanlines + HDR. Makes N64 look amazing.

Comfy

>>9782116
reminds me of a shining game I played as a kid

>>9782119
It is a Shining game. It's Shining the Holy Ark on Saturn

>>9780190
>>9780371
I got them with the intention of using them, and I did for a couple of years.
The PVMs I got by sheer luck really, 2 sets because I liked how they looked despite being small RF only tubes, one is broken and probably needs a complete cap replacement (turns on bright but the picture darkens quickly to complete black, I don't have the time or space to diagnose it properly).
And the last one was my daily driver, a gorgeous B&O 28 inch tube.

I will probably sell the smaller PVM and give the RF sets away for free.

Would the default composite cables that come with a PS2/GCN/Wii look good on a CRT?

>>9782346
I don’t think composite looks good on 6th gen consoles

>>9782360
damn. Guess I gotta invest in some better cables sometime. I'm only recently realizing how shitty composite cables look.

>notice some messed up geometry on CRT, can't seem to fix it with service menu
>get told that's a common thing that can only be fixed with convergence strips
>look up some YouTube videos on how to replace those
>one YouTube video has a guy warning that you're dealing with live electricity and it's extremely dangerous, wearing double layers of specialized gloves that cost him $90, saying that it's worth the price for your safety
>the other has a guy casually mentioning it's live electricity, but is poking around back there bare-handed somehow, acts like it's not a big deal

>>9771167
what game?

>>9782536
>>9771664

>>9782375
I think most pal countries are at 240v, so it's way more dangerous than american crts at 110v

i bought an hdmi to component converter and im having a blast playing games on a crt

>>9782564
the tube uses kilovolts, so it doesn't really matter

>>9782031
>Why cant a dogshit scrambled noisy mess of a signal produce accurate colors?

>>9782375
>>9782564
>>9782628
Only hot chassis TVs are inherently dangerous to work on without specialized equipment (isolation transformer).
People who exaggerate often have little to no experience in electronics and you shouldnt listen to them anyways.

>>9782874
i don't think it's an exaggeration to say that any crt can hold a charge and any that can injure a person and any crt should be handled carefully if you're working on it while it's powered on

>>9782874
there's no cartridge in that super famicom, but i'd put my cartridge in her super famicom

>>9782920
There's: Be careful when working inside powered on electronics, and then there's: YOU'LL LITERALLY DIE IF YOU DONT USE HIGH VOLTAGE PROTECTION TO GLUE THIS PLASTIC PIECE

>>9782583
How's the input lag? Looks cool though.
I imagine the only downside would be that the text will be impossible to read.

>>9782874
nice to see that my pic is still circulating.
have another

>>9782920
It's definitely an exaggeration. I bet you discharge caps too.

>>9782346
Depends on the CRT's resolution.

>>9783735
>resolution
You

>>9783740
You what? Do you not understand what TVL is? Dot pitch? Resolution?

>>9777386
That doesn't look like a PVM, what is it some old 80s model? Looks like a consumer trinitron

>>9783785
PVMs come in a variety of sizes with a variety of TVL. Not all of them have those thick black lines between scanlines.

>>9782070
really? well i havent gotten my 5X yet so I guess i'll see how it looks on my pvm with those settings applied

Is anyone familiar with the Sony Trinitron service menu and know the proper color settings?
I've tried but can't get mine to look good

>>9783796
no shit, dumbass
doesn't even look like a pvm at all, looks like lcd with filters

>>9784224
Trinitrons have a couple of service menu types depending on the chassis.
And there's no such thing as "proper color settings". They're not universal, each set requires individual calibration, so the values will differ. It's the same with modern flat panels, too.

The HDMI to VGA adapter >>9712524 posted arrived. It doesn't produce a signal with my GameCube HDMI adapter, which is a letdown. Haven't plugged it into a PC yet to try silly refresh rates.

>>9783403
text is hard as hell to read, but luckily Dragons crown isnt super duper important on text. This specific model, which is one of the few that actually advertizes being able to output 480i, has negligable input lag. i dont notice it really
but it is 70 bucks
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Premium-Quality-Component-Converter/dp/B017LVMAWG

let me guess, you need more?

>>9784634
component > composite

>>9784634
yeah, an rf modulator

>>9784224
Alright I found good settings
RDRV 63
GDRV 63
BDRV 40
RCUT 12
GCUT 0
BCUT 12
SHUE 0
SCOL 2
SBRT 8
AXPL 1
CBPF 0
CTRP 0
SSHP 15
Y-DC 0
GAMM 1

>>9784634
This thing backfeeds into your consoles. Do not use this with anything you care about.

>>9784226
Dumbass, PVMs contains a variety of tubes. Therefore, they can look widely different. Fucking tard. It looks like a PVM.

>>9784226
Dumbass, PVMs contain a variety of tubes. Fucking tard. It looks like a PVM.
>looks like lcd with filters
It'll really blow your mind when you discover that Sony made PVMs with LCD flat panels in them LOL.

where can I pick up a good S-video cable(s) for the N64?

You're the dumbest person I've ever replied to on this website. Have another (you).

>>9786032
oem on ebay. ntsc snes, n64, and gamecube use the same s-video cable. it's possible you may find a better deal elsewhere, so shop around

>>9783771
You can't just use words that already have meaning towards your own interpretation just to bait conversation
you mean TVL then say TVL

>>9782583
>>9784580
>>9784709
How can you play with squished graphics?
Find yourself a widescreen at least

Anyone know where I could possibly find a EPROM flashing jig for a Philips 24PT633R01? I finally found a forum post that made me realize I had probably ruined my set from setting the parameters out of range and that was why I was having issues. The lack of any signs of life from the TV if it isn’t the micro switches going out then I’ve got a very nice piece of crap taking up space

>>9786194
I have a backup TV now however it also needs new microswitches

>>9784709
>>9786192
It's a 2000s flat model, I'm sure it has a 16:9 option that squishes the scan area vertically.

>>9786226
that's fine but you'll still get a worse picture still

>>9786357
Not worse, just smaller.
The original 16:9 frame covers all 480 lines. A widescreen CRT fills the whole scan area with those lines, so the picture is stretched horizontally and appears correct. On a 4:3 set you instead have to squish those lines together vertically to get a proper aspect ratio. All the lines are there, just closer to each other.
In both instances you use the full 480i resolution of the video signal and get correct aspect ratio. It's superior to letterboxing the picture by adding black bars in a 4:3 frame in the signal itself, that way you'd waste 25% of the lines and get a lower resolution in result.

>>9786402
>Not worse, just smaller.
It is worse because the beams are going over less phosphors, you'll lose a lot of clarity and colour

>>9785971
actually change SHUE to 7 and GAMM to 0

>>9780591
i was looking for a model like this for a long time so im pretty stoked.

rf is similar to composite, only slightly blurier but also adds grain. i think the aesthetic is really nice with 8 and 16 bit stuff, nes and genesis especially

Fellas, I need a little help here. I would like to play Moon: Remix RPG but I'd like to do that with a CRT or something really close that could give me a scanline look. I don't hate how the steam version looks but I just would like something era-appropriate. Any ideas on how to do this?

>>9782346
looks good to me

>>9782031
Composite moment<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>9782031
You are playing an RGB game through an NTSC colour space dumbass

What do you guys think?
Sorry for shit quality.

>>9787029
Lookin good

>>9780365
It is better, but it's a marginal upgrade. On the other hand, RGB amp mods are dirt cheap and easy to install on N64s, so it's still worthwhile to do IMO. Unless you have a PAL or later model N64 that requires the tim worthington board, which is much more complicated and expensive.

>>9786831
I was wondering what today's prank was going to be

>>9787124
>implying it won't be reality very soon
Bots are already everyone on 4chan. /gif/ is 42% bots. Just a matter of time until the site is overrun by bots using AI so it's more difficult to pick them out.

>>9787029
monitors clean, no signs of wear and tear on it. nice
>>9787123
so maybe Voultars amp mod + Retrotink 5X with settings?

>>9787029
Get rid off it when you find something better, these GDM PS models are ticking time bombs due to the IC going bad.

>>9787778
I'll try, but there's nothing on Facebook marketplace and I'm not paying Ebay prices either.

>>9787201
it doesn't really matter whose mod. They're all the exact same thing, just a 7374 or 7314 amp basically. Just get whatever one is cheapest.
>retrostink
uh sure, I guess. But this is /crt/ and honestly if you're just looking to play on an HDTV I'd just recommend you cut out the middleman and emulate on your PC.

>>9786447
can you set the resolution to 240p in the game itself? or if you have a display smaller than what the game outputs, does it shrink to the screen size if fullscreen?

>>9787894
Same here, I think good CRT monitors really are gone. I could at least see decent offerings between 2018~2021, but after that Im only seeing 70kHz 17".
Luckily I already have 3 19" 96kHz displays, more than enough for a lifetime. Also, I've taken a liking to Plasmas, so Im not itching for high-end 21" monitors anymore.

can anyone with an hd samsung and/or toshiba crt test 480p input lag on it? it's my understanding that they do 480p by overscanning 560p. i did the math, and with a partial framebuffer you could have input lag as low as around 2.4ms (1/7 a frame), but i suspect there's a full framebuffer for around 17ms (a whole frame).

>>9789542
Why not get an upscaler and force it to do 540?

>>9789546
upscaling might introduce artifacts, especially when it comes to pixel art. but i'm asking for the pursuit of knowledge, not for any practical reason.

>>9789587
I don't think it will
If you give it a 540 signal you should get no added lag

>>9788759
Eh, I don't really care for high end PC monitors. I like my old games low res, maybe at 1024x768 max, so those high kHz ones aren't really a big thing for me. I never had one though, so maybe I'd change my mind if I got my hands on it.
I still see some 19" popping out in my area from time to time, but I have no idea if any of them are worth anything.

>>9789605
i mean image artifacts. decreased sharpness or jagginess or incorrect proportions

Tempted to get a PC CRT and maybe sell off my PVMs. I'm building a Mister once the rest of the parts arrive and figured the VGA output might work well on a PC monitor. Anything I should look out for in particular (brands, sizing and such)?

>>9789659
>non 240p screen for 240p gaming
For what purpose?

>>9771167
Last time I saw a crt was in 2016 when I picked was up out of a bin. Saw this even though it looks pretty bad but there is probably just no more left locally. Couple of days later go to some other place and 4 crts on the lawn within a short distance, only picked up 2 because the other 2 were 68cm monsters. Might check tomorrow and get the other one, it could barely fit in my car so I left it. For the last few couple of years I was really wanting to find a good crt as backup so I don't wear out my good one. Pretty sure there won't be any tv's after these are gone.

>>9771714
Nice, I like vhs, I could have kept a heap more but they are still available. DVD looks mint on these.

>>9777940
nice

>>9782874
I think a cheap way to get an isolation transformer is to use a power inverter and a car battery

>>9784634
I use this to watch Plex on my Roku

>>9771714
Nice, although I think the screen could use a cleaning.

>>9771167
Any opinions on Daewoo CRTs? I can pick up one with component out, produced around 2008-2009, I believe it's DTH-29U7K-100D

>>9785976
i use it to make my old tv my second monitor

Is there a guide on which tvs are better than the rest and whixh ones should be avoided? Or which cables are the bests for crts with each console?

>>9771526
CRT Guest Advanced for me
The NTSC variation if I'm playing something from 2000's or prior

>>9792187
>which cables are the bests for crts with each console?
Always RGB, unless the console doesn't output it natively. But that's only the case with ye olde video game systems (pre-3th gen) and some Nintendo shitboxes.

>>9792120
Late CRTs are not good, specially if they're super slim tubes. Horrible geometry, convergence and uniformity.

>>9792582
this

>>9771167
Where the fuck do I find a CRT monitor? Sometimes I hear about anons finding shit on the side of the road but I've never encountered anything like that before. Is it just because I don't bother to look hard enough, or do people not have that kind of shit in Jersey anymore?

>>9793854
Facebook marketplace

Banjo kazooie arrived today

>>9786404
i don't see how there would be an appreciable difference with an aperture grille or slot mask, which almost certainly covers any tv with a 16:9 mode. both types of phosphors have the same colors running vertically. even with slot masks, i think there's plenty of phosphors for the beam to land on, raster compressed or not.

>>9794635
here's a better way to show you
https://youtu.be/Ea6tw-gulnQ?t=691

>>9794648
i put it to you that changing the position of a horizontal line doesn't decrease its quality

>>9794739
And I put it to you that light going over less phosphors degrades the image quality, why is that hard to understand?

>>9794750
why would it be going over less phosphors?

>>9794801
anon, where do you think the phosphors on the tube are

>>9794809
the front

>>9781083
game?

>>9794750
Different anon here. I think your confusion is you're thinking that the phosphor cells light up like they are pixels. When the raster hits one it doesn't light up uniformly, only the part that's hit lights up. So if two lines are more tightly focussed and are so perfectly aligned they hit the same cell, you still get two lines with a dark section in the middle. Although the "scanline" is harder to discern usually because you'll get the same amount of light bleed.
The way the phosphors are arranged is a manufacturing convenience more than anything. The limit to vertical resolution (apart from electronics) is about how accurately the beam can be focussed. On a consumer TV it's deliberately not as sharp as it could be, but it's still plenty sharp.
So the tl;dr is that there will only be very minor image degredation.

>>9794859
>that the phosphor cells light up like they are pixels
no I'm not
Less colour representation equals degraded picture quality
>So the tl;dr is that there will only be very minor image degredation.
that was a long way to say I was right

>>9794859
Also a good example for this is an aperture grille, where there's no separation between phosphors on the vertical axis. They're just stripes of color going from top to bottom, with the beam exciting them only in the line where it lands.

>>9794868
Then Sony’s would be the exception
I will concede that

I've had consumer, pro-grade and PC CRTs, with all mask types and the only practical advantage that Trinitrons had was the lack of moire patterns.
Sharpness, convergence, brightness, colors etc can all be comparable to other mask types.
While Sony's are usually better built in general, there's not really anything inherent about the Aperture Grille that makes it vastly superior to other mask types, provided the quality is the same.

>>9794904
why would shadow mask be different?

>>9794867
>Less colour representation equals degraded picture quality
That's why you want the 33% more extra lines you'd get with anamorphic 16:9 vs letterboxing.

>>9795176
To add to this, high TVL crts use smaller beams resulting in less phosphors being hit and a more defined image.

where can I get some good BNC connectors for my PVM? I heard amazon isnt to be trusted in terms of quality

>tv suddenly starts making popping noises and flickering
>move tv to bench where I can open it up and inspect it
>tv stops flickering and everything is fine
>move tv back and everything is fine for months
>move tv today a little bit to mess with the hookups in the back
>starts popping and flickering worse than ever
>turn it off and move it so I can inspect it again
>everything is fine
I don't know what the fuck to do except not touch the thing now.

>>9796258
maybe dust, maybe cold solder joints
theres a reason people use to hit their TV's and they started working again

>>9793854
Nothing since 2016 and suddenly I find 5 of them. On peoples lawns during hard rubbish. But in my experience do this.

>Avoid
new houses
retirement homes
places that people haven't lived long such as recent rentals.
Very poor neighborhoods
Houses with lots of young people

>Seach
Basically housing where old people who have lived in the same place since the 90's. Not very expensive or not very cheap housing. I found mine in the middle class part of town, too expensive for a young person to buy but owned by old people who got the houses cheap. Poor people move often so would have gotten rid of crt's ages ago and brand new houses they would never bother to lug a crt with them.

>>9793854
So after reading this I thought I should get some courage instead of worrying that people will see see me so I went to the next town just to see if there was anything. 2 days ago I saw 2 widescreen crts that were huge and I was planning on picking it up. Those were gone but people put out 2 more tvs. Nothing for at least 5 years and suddenly more than I can take. There was actually another tv but it was about 70cm I so just got these 2. I've been wanting to get more crt's since watching an interview where they say they will pretty much never be made again. Anon I might not even have these tv's if it wasn't for you, I was almost going to wait tomorrow to get them but the garbage truck might have got them.

Yesterday I want to an e waste bin and it had a very small crt, I waited until night to get it but it was gone by then so my tip if you see one just take it straight away. They might have put in the main bin. If they ask what you are doing just say you are taking this tv for parts. Workers are wearing of people taking stuff because they leave a mess.

>>9796258
Some people say to put silicon filler on the flyback if there are any cracks.

>>9792187
I like those silver bezel tv's made from 2000 to 2005. Really old ones from 1990 with rf would be pretty bad on average since they could be worn out and its hard to do rgb mods on older ones. I own one because it looks cool but not for the performance.

I have a DOS PC that I have connected to a ViewSonic VGA monitor. 31.5kHz scan rate or something close. Games like DOOM run a native resolution of 320x200, but I know my monitor will not sync to 15kHz. Is my monitor upscaling this? The scanlines don't appear to be the size of typical 240p scanlines. I'm just curious as to what the actual resolution on the monitor is for DOS games like this.

>>9796981
The VGA standard linedoubles anything at 15khz for backwards compatibility.

>>9796997
also pretty sure it's not the monitor that does the linedoubling or else you'd be able to adapt 15khz consoles easily.

>>9796997
>>9797008
Based and thank you. This was going to drive me crazy not understanding why.

europoor here, how can I make sure the CRT I'm buying can display in 60fps/60hz? most of them have weird model codes you can barely find any info on and even then refresh rate is never mentioned

>>9771167
Is the B&O MX1500 any good?

>>9797676
B&O usually make good shit but you need to check it out yourself.
You usually want to check that
1) it has the inputs you want
2) it can still make a bright picture
3) the geometry is good
4) the convergence is decent

I finally got a CRT, boys. It's pretty big, about 29 inches across. Looks great but when I turn it on the edges of the screen turn white for an instant and the TV makes this crackling/popping sound. It makes the same crackling sound when I turn it off. The sound only lasts for a few seconds. Should I be worried? It seems to work fine otherwise.

>>9797831
That's called static electricity.

>>9797839
Good to know it's nothing to worry about. This is the back of the TV. I want to hook it up to my PC so I'm thinking about buying a SCART to HDMI converter. Do you guys know of a good site to order one from or are they good enough on Amazon?

>>9797872
>SCART to HDMI
I don't know of any good ones, SCART is not my thing, but there's a couple of things to know. First off you want an HDMI to SCART converter, these things only work one way. Secondly, it's most likely going to be an interlaced signal which is fine for TV and videos, but you won't get that crispy 240p for video games. Lastly anything that has an NTSC/PAL switch probably won't support RGB over SCART, so you'll likely be getting a composite signal with all the problems that comes with that.

>>9797937
I see. I saw the SCART ports on the TV so I thought that was the best option. Do you know of a better way to connect the TV? I really want to use it for vidya.

>>9797941
It's not that SCART is bad, SCART is just a connector. The best quality signal you can feed that TV is likely RGB, you might want to check your TV's manual to be sure that it supports it.
2 ways to do 240p on a CRT that I know of
1) crt emudriver setup on an old ati gpu with analog out.
2) use a custom "super resolution" with an HDMI to VGA DAC
Either way, you'd also need a VGA to SCART adapter.
I've seen guides for both but I've never done that setup personally.

>>9797839
this was the killer diller for me. we have breached the point of no return. adios friends.

>>9798013
Interesting. I'll look into it. Thanks for the info, anon. It's been a big help.

yo dawg, i heard you like CRTs, so we put some CRTs in your CRT

>>9797872
>SCART to HDMI
here we go again.
just grab one of these
https://www.arcadexpress.com/en/arcadevga/210-cable-arcade-vga-scart-usb-5v-12v-con-audio.html
and a gpu that supports crt emudrive, everything else is a meme

>>9798625
Classic.

>>9797378
98% of crts made 90s or later can do ntsc.

>>9797378
Is it from the late 80s and upwards?
Then it can do RGB 50/60hz no problem
When it comes to NTSC it depends if it's a high or low range set. Still if you got RGB support who gives a fuck about either PAL or NTSC

>>9798625
is this Ai generated?

>>9799118
It's real. The smaller screens were b&w and had separate tuners. It was once used as a prize on The Price Is Right. I guess it beats pip

>>9799129
It would be great back in the day for keeping your eye on a few games while letting the wife and kids watch whatever, or just watching three games at once.

>>9799471
Letting the wife and kids watch whatever two things they want while you play on the big screen, you mean.

>>9799953
I was wondering which screen he meant.

>>9799953
>>9800017
lol I didn't even mean videogames, I meant like sports, back then you'd only have the radio or whatever you could pick up locally for real-time scores and info

>>9794447
>>9796626
>>9796736
Thanks for the advice anons. I'll have to take a look around.

>>9800245
Fortunately now we have things like RedZone and streaming apps allowing multiple windows.

Thanks to some Spritesmind searching yesterday I was able to get my beginners sprite project that worked in emulation to work on real hardware as well and I unfortunately have to say my sprite's face looks unacceptable over composite. I'm laughing at that composite thread a few weeks back. But this didn't help at all as I was trying to talk myself out of a fairly priced Craigslist Sony PVM because at the moment my only option is to take the rail transit a couple cities over and lug it back.

>>9798625
Nice. I like it. Would be cool to collect.
I reverse searched that image and found one for sale on evilbay.
>$2800 buy it now
People are crazy. I'd build my own triple threat television before I payed that.

CRT war-kino.

is there a way to mount a scart port on plastic as part of an rgb mod so there aren't any bolt heads visible on the outside? factory-made tvs i expect are mounted to a pcb, and glue doesn't seem strong enough

>>9777938
wow, so jelly...

$25 flea market find. April 1977 date code. Works like a charm.

>>9805353

>>9805353
>>9805357
Neat

I found two CRTs on the side of the road 2 days ago and I was very happy to find out that they both worked. One of them is a Sony Trinitron KV-20FS120 (the last one released in North America, apparently), and a generic looking Konka TV that was missing a sticker on the back with a model number.
I ordered a HDMI2AV box on ebay, should I have gone for something else? Is S-Video more desirable?

>>9804489
If you want a scart port on just plastic, then you'll have to create a support bracket that attaches to the pcb. Best way is to 3d print a custom model. I would recommend using screws anyway, since factory tvs have them all the time from what ive seen.
>>9806564
HDMI2AV is good enough. It's excellent for playing old tv shows. Gaming performance with clarity and input lag will leave you wanting more. It always outputs 480i so its not worth using for emulated games from the 5th gen and earlier.

>>9796010
just go to radioshack, brotha

>>9771167
I just bought my childhood Trinitron again, we gave it away in 2014 after sitting in a basement since 2011. It was $20 and honestly, it was probably the last chance I could grab the exact same model of set again, or if I could, probably at some dumb price. Probably not the same TV.

Fuck man, the nights playing original Xbox live/PS2 and early 360 days.

>>9804032
Only thing left unscathed lol

>>9807004
Awesome that you got your literal childhood TV back. Must be some insane nostalgia playing on the same set.