/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9769839
do the math, you spent money to get no games. All bits and no bite

>>9769839
I was poor and bought a Jaguar for $50 when no one wanted them. It was pretty cool. First time I ever played Doom. Tempest 2000 was awesome and there were a few other good games for cheap. The only other system I had at the time was a Genesis, so it was still an upgrade.

>>9769848
>Jaguar an upgrade
I dunno, man...

>>9769863
I heard majority of developers who didnt figure out the Jaguar's architecture used only one processor and essentially made same snes\genesis games

If you were a kid, you were pretty much getting one or two games regardless, so I doubt it would have made a huge difference to you.
You have a SNES and you have Mario and and some shit movie tie-in, or you have a Jaguar and you have Rayman and some bollocks like Zool. Whatever.

>>9769863
Talking about the graphics (in some games). I didn't regret the purchase at all but I only ever had three or four games.

>>9769873
It has a Motorola 68000 somewhere on the board. Probably just for inputs or music or something (Saturn had one for the same reasons), but it made it super easy to make Genesis ports, so they just did that. Main CPU wasn't used in those cases.

>>9769876
Well, good for you, man. I sometimes wish I had been able to try those machines back then. I used to read about them in Ultimate Future Games magazine. It had a severe next gen bias and only reviewed Donkey Kong Country because it had impressive graphics.

>>9769839
Ah, the '90s, what a time to be a gamer! I remember being blown away by the Jaguar and the Saturn, even though they didn't quite live up to the hype. Back then, we didn't have the luxury of endless alternatives like today, so we made the most of what we had. We'd gather around with friends and try out the latest games, even on the "failed" consoles. Sure, they may not have had the longevity of the SNES or the PlayStation, but they brought their own unique charm and quirks to the table. The Jaguar had some killer arcade ports, and the Saturn had a solid lineup of quirky Japanese games.

In those days, it was more about the camaraderie and the experience of discovering new games together, rather than just following the latest trends. We didn't have social media or YouTube to tell us what was "cool" or "worth playing", so we had to rely on word of mouth and our own intuition. And in a way, that made gaming feel more personal and exciting. So while owning a "failed" console in the '90s may have been a letdown in some ways, it also taught us to appreciate the games we had and the friendships we made along the way.

>>9769874
This is the actual answer. If you're so young you ACTUALLY didn't have the option of just buying another console you were also so young you only got one or two new games a year anyway, so it didn't matter that the console was "failed" and only had a handful games. There's enough good games on the Jaguar and Saturn you wouldn't be starved for options anyway.

>>9769839
you bought an Amiga and took the piracy pill.

>>9769839
I got it out of the way early with a master system.

Usually there's still enough games to play. I only ever got 1 game a year for my birthday anyway, so like it was fine, there's was more than 6 good games on the master system

>>9769892
To a kid who only played 8 and 16-bit systems up to that point, Doom was absolutely mind blowing. It was the main reason I bought it. The system was worth it just for that one game. It did have a few other cool ones tho.

Could another console maker ever enter the current market? Consumer electronics and computing in general have consolidated like most industries, so I struggle to even envision what that would look like. Seems like most of the innovation is in chink handhelds, maybe shit like that handheld with the crank, things like that. But I really struggle to imagine a major console ever breaking into the industry again, and that honestly feels sad to type out. The one benefit is you don’t really have a fear of getting a “failed” console anymore. You can safely assume any of the big 3 are gonna have a decent library of games, exclusives are another discussion.

>>9769839
>Like Jaguar or Saturn.
So these are two very different sides of the spectrum here. While they are both "failed" 5th gen consoles, Saturn is no where near the same level as the Jaguar. Hell the 3DO and 32X aren't even as bad as the Jaguar.

>>9769839
i think i ripped my dad off for 500 bucks.

>first console was NES
>saw sanic 1 at sam's club (it's walmart's version of costco if you don't know already)
>had to get a genesis
>prefer genesis over nintender
>be me
>parents are mormons and leave town to go to temple (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples?lang=eng))
>get babbysat by older kid
>he brings over a sega CD
>eat pizza
>good fucking times
>bonus: didn't get molested or anything
>ask dad for sega CD
>get taken to a big warehouse store one day
>old man asks dude for price
>guy says something like 500-700
>motherfucker actually buys it. i never get surprises like this.
>old man must've been having a great year because i also get mortal kombat a short time after.
>sega CD sega fucking breaks the same day i get MK.

i could've been the coolest fucking kid in the neighborhood. so close.

we could've had it sent in to fix, which would've been a good idea but my dad wouldn't have fussed with it, my mom was highly incompetent, and i was too young to understand warranties and shit.

never buy expensive hardware unless it's from a reputable company and/or you have a backup plan. it was true then and it's true now. shit if i'd known better i would've asked for a neo geo, if it was out at the time.

The idea of owning a bad system isn't totally foreign, even today. Bad, mediocre, and overhyped games are released all the fucking time still! Everyone who has played a mediocre game in their life has to learn to cope with it. Some people quit faster than others, some learn to endure. The only real difference is that game consoles costs a lot more than 1 game so it feels worse.

>>9769916
Absolutely not. All of the current video game stores have captured all the developers and they're trying to kick steam out of the market as is.

>>9769874
You had a vast rental catalogue on something like SNES, though

>>9769942
If you quit fast enough tlyou can get a refund

>>9769876
That's a n64 for me even the only 2 gaems I bought which required the ram exp toruk 2 and Star wars racer didn't cut it for me

>>9769982

No one genuinely believes any of those companies remotely compete with steam, especially not MS store. Gog kind of poorly exists in its own lane.

>>9770014
What? Ibwasny even talking about Gog. It isn't even in the same galaxy as ps store, Xbox/ms store and steam. I'm talking a out like EA moving all their shit to origin

>>9770048
Havent some of those 3rd party launchers been moving back to steam because everyone just said they don’t give a fuck if it’s not on steam?

>>9769916
>Could another console maker ever enter the current market?
I believe Apple could venture into that market once Microsoft leaves (and I think they're gonna leave consoles in a gen or two moving entirely to cloud gaming)

>>9770068
I don’t even want to imagine how pozzed and subscription/ad ridden this shit would be

>>9769991
Was renting games even that common? I never did it. Most people I know never did it. Maybe it was more of a city kid thing. I don't know. I don't think my parents were ever keen on driving me a mile to the rental place just so I could rent games.

>>9769839
Not retro but I ended up only having a Wii U to play new games on for like two years. There were still enough games that I had enough to play in my free time. I'd guess having a Jaguar or something was probably like that, you just played what was out until you could afford to get something else. The fifth gen almost felt like 2 gens wrapped in one. I'm sure just about everyone who bought one of the earlier failed systems ended up getting an n64 or psx a few years later.

>>9770083
I grew up out in bumfuck and we rented games almost every weekend.

>>9770096
Same here, it was a VHS place attached to a pool hall. Eventually became a tobacco store once blockbuster and cinemagic came to town.

>>9770083
Seemed very common to me.

You went out with your parents and they got a movie or two and you got a game.

>>9770142
I didn't know a single person that did this, nor a single person whose parents regularly rented movies.

>>9770161
When were you born?

>>9770142
>>9770161

Man what, I also did this with my parents. We had blockbuster down the road in Tampa next to a Mexican restaurant. Dinner, blockbuster, parents get a movie and I got to rent a game, it was a tradition almost

>>9770083
Literally everyone rented something every weekend. Blockbuster was always packed.

>>9769940
Was it a Genesis with a Sega CD add-on, or one of those all-in-one units like the CDX or JVC X'Eye?

>>9769839
>Jaguar or Saturn
One is very much not like the other here.
Still, you'd do alright as a Jaguar owner if you picked the right games.

>>9770251
i had a genesis, and i got one of those side-cancer things.

>>9770161
Yeah, that didn't happen to me either. We rented movies literally once every year or two. We just watched shit on TV.

>>9770273
Anon you might be a zoomer

>>9770292
Could be a thirdie and their country barely had electricity let alone blockbuster? The ESL on this board keeps getting worse over time.

By the time the TG16 came out, I figured any kid who didn't get a Genesis or SNES and actually decided to get a TG16 first deserved what they got. Any kid who already had a Genesis or SNES and could afford to get a TG16 still had the Genesis or SNES or both to fall back on since they had money. The only ones I ever felt bad for were the Sega kids who thought the Dreamcast was gonna be there for the entire generation. They got robbed and left with a dead console while the other kids were getting the 3D GTA games, Halo, and RE4.

>>9770083
>Maybe it was more of a city kid thing.
Even my redneck relatives who lived out in the country in Virginia would rent games for their NES when they went to rent some movies.
>I don't think my parents were ever keen on driving me a mile to the rental place
I could see them not eager to drive 10 miles, but a mile? I live in the city and the nearest grocery store is 2.5 miles away. My job is a half mile away and I often walk it just because it's a short walk. A mile is a 2 minute trip by car going at 30mph. You would have spent more time in the store picking out a game than on the trip going both ways. Unless your parents had to drive the tractor or a horse and buggy to the rental store, the distance wasn't the reason they didn't want to do it.

>>9770263
Your dad got absolutely fleeced, regardless of whether or not it broke on you (hopefully you already knew that).

>>9769839
I had a Saturn in 1997, right when the support for it was killed. I still liked listening to music CDs on it and watching the spaceship on screen fly by like some pothead. I used to play Virtua Fighter against my friends all the time so it wasn't all bad. We got a PS1 shortly after anyway.

>>9769839
From my point of view the Saturn wasn't a failure. I had 17 or 18 games, a controller multitap, six controllers. I took it to friend's houses and we played SFA2, 6-player Saturn Bomberman, 6 player Vs mode Guardian Heroes, VF2, Virtual On, and Death Tank (hidden bonus game in Duke Nukem). At home I played Dragon Force, NiGHTS, Dark Saviour and Panzer Dragoon. It was a fucking great console with a fucking great library. The fact it sold like shit outside Japan and pretty much bankrupted Sega was disappointing to me as a Sega fan, but I had absolutely zero regrets about the money I spent on it; it was the best console I ever owned.

>>9770083
A mile was too far to go? You can walk a mile to buy something unless you live in a fuckin quicksand swamp or something

>>9770342
don't know, don't care. he was a cock.

>>9770446
When it's a choice between "drive my stupid child somewhere to rent a game that I'm going to have to take back again in two days", and "do nothing", yes it is.
Like, if you literally live down the street from a rental place, I can understand you going there regularly.

Also, it was probably more like three miles. I don't know.

I knew a guy with a Sega Saturn, that was the first time I ever saw Duke 3D. I knew another guy with a Dreamcast and I was interested in a bunch of the shit he showed me. I guess they got just enough games to not feel like they were on a dead console and what they did have was still fun.

>>9770083
Holy shit what a zoomer question. Was renting games common. Lol, lmao even. Begone or lurk more young buck

>>9770083
Renting this type of stuff is poor people behavior designed to keep them poor.
And they will defend it!
Just save up for the game you want and make an informed decision before spending that money.
Buying used games or exchanging games with friends was my modus operandi.
I got like one or two games a year so I had to be very careful with my decisions.
I understood that since I was six years-old.
I went to blockbuster almost every week to check on what was new and never rented anything.

>>9770707
>informed decision
like... renting a game for a couple bucks to see if its good, or renting a game and finishing it in a weekend and not needing to buy it at all? damn im gonna be poor forever

>>9770724
And they will defend it!

>>9770757
i still bought more than "one or two" games a year kek whos really the poorfag

I'm sure if you were a kid and you had lower middle class parents, that would basically fuck up your gaming options. If you had a Saturn, your parents might upgrade to a Dreamcast which would have neat games, but Jagfags would be shit out of luck besides the handful of good games.

>>9770273
Even as a 95fag, we rented movies because "Buying it outright is only for good stuff and buying is expensive".
Even into the 2010s my dad was into renting DVDs off Netflix each month until he died and would scold me for buying shit because "You're just going to watch it once, just rent it".

>>9769940
I got the sega cd add-on for christmas and it didn't work. My dad took me to electronics boutique the next day and bought me a new genesis to get it to work. He would never spend a couple of hundred dollars unplanned like that, but he must have felt bad that my big gift was doa. I think that was pretty common for that connection to be fucked.

I thought sega cd was cool as hell, but I never really played anything but night trap. The game boxes were slick.

>>9769940
Teach your kids about repairs and warranty

>>9770083
Mate renting was common even in the 7th gen. It died when video stores died

>>9770083
My friends did a lot, but I never did. It definitely seemed like the poorer kids did more often.

>>9769863
>I dunno, man...
Atari karts:
https://youtu.be/awsYwI3cpxA?t=352

Super Mario Kart
https://youtu.be/AlAmXXNz5ac?t=586

Mario Kart[/spoiler]mogged[/spoiler]

>>9769839
>Saturn
pretty good, lots of great games I played, it was also easy to play japanese games

>>9769873
> I heard majority of developers who didnt figure out the Jaguar's architecture
The SDK development software had bugs. The hardware had bugs. It wasn't just "figuring it out", it was truly a half baked fuckin disaster.

>>9769839
Saturn was based but I don't expect subhuman zoomers to understand that.

>>9769839
I have a Saturn it's good
I also have a Jaguar it sucks

I had an Amiga, while all the other kids had Mega Drives and PlayStation.
But it just meant I spent my time in Deluxepaint IV instead of playing games. Wasn't all bad.

Kinda stung on the playground though, everybody talking about how powerful their platforms were, and even though I got a 4MB ram upgrade and a 50MB harddrive, I knew I couldn't really compete

>>9771434
The only person I knew who regularly rented was the person who lived a street over from where the rental place was, and he was richer than me.

>>9769839

Picking up a bargain jaguar with a couple of dozen playable games on it probably wouldnt be that bad after the liquidation. There is some cool stuff. It really was the cheapest way to play doom in a good capacity back then.

investing in consoles that turn out to be failures is for rich kids
I was poor enough to always have a sucessful console because I bought them used from rich kids that bought new consoles
I mean, If you're getting a 4th gen console in 1995 and a 5th gen in 1999 you're sure as hell not getting a TG16 and a Jaguar
What the other anon said is true too, every console had at least a few excellent games so if the deal is good enough it's worth it, it's not like we had HDDs full of hundreds of ROMs, at a rate of 2 games a year you'd have only 10 by the time a new generation would be released, the best 10 Saturn games were just as good as the best 10 Playstation or N64 games and the Jaguar was not far behind.

>>9771974
If it was based why did it fail, sega defense force probably somehow thinks it won in some convoluted cope way

>>9772339
You could've just been dirt poor. It was honesty smart to rent games, it was just something I never did for whatever reason.

>>9769839
I remember thinking that the Jaguar looked absolutely mind-blowing in the ads as a kid. Really lucky I dodged a bullet on that one because if I had somehow convinced my parents to buy it for me no way would I have gotten another console for ages afterwards.

>>9772513
Misleading ads was an art form at that time.

>>9769839
Bought a Virtual Boy at a yard sale for $20 and it turned me gay.

I knew one kid with a jaguar in like 1996. I asked him about it and he said it sucked and we played outside instead.

>>9770083
Anyone remember the BlockBuster rental prices? I think it was like $2 old movie, $3 game, and $4 new movie, but I can't remember that well since it was my parents paying for it most of the time.

>>9774175
$1.80 and then $3-ish later on to rent CONTRA for the NES in the early 90s.

I had an Atari Lynx. Fuck a duck.

>>9774778
I've never seen one in-person, are they as FUCKHUEG massive as they appear to be?

>>9770179
We always went to the one in Seffner next to Beef's.

>>9774783
Yeah. They made my kid hands hurt. I did enjoy the games I on them though. Had a dogfighting sim, thought it was called Red Baron but I guess it was called Warbirds.
The Bill & Ted game which looked like an RPG but was really more of a puzzle scavenger hunt. Had some platformer called Scrapyard Dog, was pretty average I thought but my buddy really liked it for some reason.

>>9769839
I actually had a Saturn while Playstation was blowing up and as much as I love the Saturn, it was rough then. Mainly because of how bad sales were compared to the Playstation.
You go into funcoland and they have entire walls of stacked ps games to choose from, meanwhile theres a Saturn bin. You might find a super puzzle fighter 2 in there but besides that it's 40 EA sports titles, and a copy of rise of the robots 2.

>>9770707
>Just save up for the game you want and make an informed decision before spending that money.
>Buying used games or exchanging games with friends was my modus operandi.
>I got like one or two games a year so I had to be very careful with my decisions.
>I understood that since I was six years-old.
>I went to blockbuster almost every week to check on what was new and never rented anything.
you actually sound like a poorfag,rich people dont give a fuck if they waste some money on a bad video games because you know,they are rich.

>>9774802
>thought it was called Red Baron
Red Baron was a DOS game. I can see how your memory would get them mixed though.

>>9769839
Saturn at least had great games, unlike Jaguar. Not that I expect a zoomer like OP to understand that when he gets his opinions from ecelebrities.

>>9769839
>do the math chud! 0 games x 64 bits = 0!

>>9771023
>until he died

Never met a single kid who owned a Jaguar or a 3DO. The kids who owned a Saturn when everyone else had an N64 of PlayStation got mercilessly bullied, though.