/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9764414
>mod
if it isnt made by the original devs, who cares. i can make the map into the shape of a giant dick, does that means that how it looked? actually it does

Isn't this old news, tho?

>>9764414
I've seen Chrono Trigger+ before, seems like a pretty cool hack.

>>9764418
Mods can be pretty cool in their own right.

Why is it all futuristic looking and not what 1999 actually looks like?

>>9764454
>domed cities n shit
>not futuristic
wut

>>9764454
Are you forgetting that 12000BC has teleporters, a Giant flying Plane, an high-tech temple deep in the Ocean that contains inside a Star Wars Star Destroyer??? And you're asking why 1999 is looking that futuristic? lol

>>9764454
1999 is literally just 2300 with a brighter graphic palette. Even the interiors are identical, based on what little is seen during the "Lavos wins" ending.

>>9764473
>>9764481
they didn't have those things in 600 ad, so it was implied that magic and tech got wiped out sometime in the distant past.

>>9764414
"The king said he's going to build a wall to the south and make Porre pay for it."

Based King.

>>9764507
Nigga, they had refrigerators, dragon tanks, a LARA brand Leg Shredder 2000, a singing-and-fighting automaton and steamships a thousand years before then. I'm sure that in a literal millennia, shit got real futuristic real fucking quick.
Look at us: compared to 1923, we're basically the Jetsons and that's just a hundred years.

>>9764541
>Look at us: compared to 1923, we're basically the Jetsons
Shit, I wish. Where's my goddamn flying cars?!

>>9764547
I literally fucking saw one IRL two years ago. Couldn't believe my fucking eyes. Here i am, coming off the ramp from i95 and there's a goddamn giant drone looking thing hovering only a few dozen feet above us. Neither i nor the employee i was with could find any reference to it online and no one we've talked to believes either of us, but if i weren't a quaker, i would swear on me mum that it's true (quakers don't swear because it sets a double standard for truth; if you're always truthful, there would be no need to swear that you're being truthful).
Closest i could find is some company in Eastern Europe made a flying car that can get get from Prague to Bratislava (i think; or vice versa) in 45 minutes with it.

>>9764541
Not to mention a 100% working prototype of a fucking transporter.

>>9764547
>Where's my goddamn flying cars?!
here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2tDOYkFCYo

>>9764615
That's the one>>9764563 was talking about, huh?

>>9764563
>>9764615
Sweet.

>>9764541
>a LARA brand Leg Shredder 2000
Fuck you, I lol'd.

>>9764418
>can make the map into the shape of a giant dick
Then just fucking do it! I’d download your mod and you’ll get a thread on /vr/ and /b/

>>9764697
>>9764541
srsly, wtf was that machine designed to even do?

>>9764541
>Look at us: compared to 1923, we're basically the Jetsons and that's just a hundred years.

No, we still have the same shit since then, other than more commodity items. More powerful cars, cordless phones, TVs replacing the radio, computers in everything, and a lot of chemical industry innovations that fucked the planet (forever chemicals, plastics, freon in refrigerators, etc). But we still live on the same streets, take the bus/metro to work, drink coca cola, and the entire family has to work so they can afford the rent.

Jetsons lived in magical sky castles, had a talking robot maid and a flying dog, a flying car, and a 5 hour a day shift that consisted or pressing a button repeatedly was enough to feed the entire family.

The only idiots who think we live in Jetsons today are the Biden administration.

>>9764414
This is an old version

>>9764414
I can't even watch this because of the autistic faggot's commentary

>>9764721
>magical sky castles
We never did see the planet surface, did we? I think they live in a post apocalyptic wasteland.

>>9764721
>talking robot maid
Just tape your Alexa to your Roomba and stack that chef robot thing on top of it, like some 4th gen Sega console + ALL of its add-ons.

>>9764763
The surface is the Flinstones' setting.

>>9764802
No, there was a Jetsons episode where they showed the ground and it was populated by birds because flying cars drove them out of the skies. There were no cavemen.

>>9764763
>>9764802
>>9764875
They showed the ground, it wasn't anything special, just some parks and one or two futuristic buildings.

>>9764721
We have all information ever known to man in our pockets and we can travel to the other side of the world within 24 hours. We can talk face to face in real time to someone living anywhere in the world and we have access to all music and art ever made by clicking with your index fingers three or four times. I'd say that's a pretty big leap forward. Not to mention the huge revolution AI is going to cause in the next ten years.

>>9764414
I mean, I did this 20 years ago fiddling with some codes and a third party program. You can walk around the map just fine for decades.

>>9764454
Everything is futuristic in the time period you visit after the Day of Lavos. Logically, that stuff was already existing in 1999 because no one was building futuristic cities after that. Everything you see if left over from before Lavos attacked.

>>9765283
I got to the 1999 map a long time ago using some walk through wanna type shit. Nothing could be entered, tho.

>>9765095
again, those are all just commodity items. You could have a bunch of that 100 years ago too, just slower - there were still telephones to call anyone you wanted to, you had to go to the library if you wanted all the information at your fingertips, etc.

My point was, that today you still live in the same type of houses and apartments, still take cars/buses/trains to work, and so on. Not flying fucking saucers with escape pods, or the ability to afford everything with a 5 hour desk job.

>>9764414
Wait why did Lavos kill everyone? Why didn’t it just consume the planet quietly? Retards would just call it global warming and yell at you for charging your sexbot too often.

>>9765407
>people had the magical ability to talk to anyone face to fucking face in 1923 and every library had all the information of the internet; also, let me conveniently omit the part on traveling anywhere in the world quick as a kitten queef
lol

>>9764454
This is what 1999 looked like. Unless you mean “why doesn’t it look like Earth,” in which case actually play the game faggot.

>>9765418
To release Lavos spawns and repeat the cycle. This is actually the thing i hate about Chrono Cross. The made Lavos an actual villain. I liked it better when Lavos was just an animal trying to survive, like we all are. It just happened to pick the wrong planet to eat.

>>9765418
>send hellfire raining down on the planet, killing billions and sending the human race into near-extinction
Lavos did nothing wrong.

>>9765421
Flight was the last substantial invention, but it was so powerful it prevented all other substantial inventions by making travel from bad places to good places too accessible. We’ll never have a super-future like what people dreamed of before the 2000s.

>>9765431
K

>>9765407
This. He made the mistake of confusing comfort for civilization. The latter is on the decline, if anything. Like Inge said, we are breeding our own barbarians.

>Trump reference in a game made in the 90's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaPZqcEyK4Y&t=2h00m58s

>>9765421
>people had the magical ability to talk to anyone face to fucking face in 1923
You could contact your mom via phone in 1923 the same way, just in lower quality (ie. without video). But the telecommunication part already existed, and adding video to it is just a logical extrapolation of the technology. The same way how a Tesla is a better than a Ford T-model; but it's still a mechanically self-driven car wagon with seats and a steering wheel.

>also, let me conveniently omit the part on traveling anywhere in the world quick as a kitten queef
You could travel anywhere then too, again, it was just slower. What we have today is merely faster & better versions of what we had back then. It isn't a complete paradigm shift of society that we see in Jetsons where people live in stratospherescrapers and kids & their dogs play with antigravity packs.

>in this thread, they bitch about 1999
>13 years ago, somewhere in another Worldline, I’m jumping planets like a person going to different rooms.
The Golden Age is missed.

>>9765428
??? In Cross Lavos still acts entirely for self preservation

>>9765421
>having video chat and google means we live like the Jetsons

american logic.

>>9764501
>1999 is literally just 2300 with a brighter graphic palette.
Yeah, no fucking shit. Lavos going berzerk and the resulting aftermath (famine, mutants, rampaging robots, etc.) meant scientific advancement basically stopped and decayed as mankind went full survivor mode.

>>9765426
this

>>9765407
It's not even comparable. People in 2023 would be shocked how much is possible now. I didn't even mention advancement in medicine. Getting turbeculosis was a death sentence back then, now it's a minor convenience. Also people used to work way more back then and in my country you can survive pretty easily with a 4-day work week.

>>9765735
>conveniently leaves out the fact that the entire world is reachable within 24 hours
Low IQ. You trad faggots cannot accept the past used to suck and stuff is all better now.

>>9764721
>The only idiots who think we live in Jetsons today are the Biden administration.

It's always great to see a retarded doomer post bitching that the world hasn't given them what their 5 year old sugar addicted brains wished for then ends it with a hot take on American politics.

>>9766479
I don’t know if they would have been that shocked. American and English writers from that period seem to have anticipated much of what we have today. The internet would probably be the most unexpected thing for them, but even that wouldn’t shock them the same way, say, motion pictures would shock someone from the Middle Ages. Honestly, they would probably be more interested in crypto than anything else.

>>9764718
Generate insurance money.

But seriously it was likely for some kind of material processing or destroying robots.

>>9766558
Fair enough. I think it's better to compare the world pre-industrial to post-industrial. People in let's say, 1800, would be much more shocked about current day technologies than people in 1900. However, no one can deny the internet is one of the biggest inventions mankind has ever seen, on par with agriculture and the written word. And AI will be on this same level within 20 years too. Combine this with the leaps forward getting made with robot technology and we'll all be out of work within 50 years. People who cannot this handle rapid change whine and bitch that everything used to be better because people didn't have smart phones, but then forget you couldn't even cross a street any city street at night without getting violently mugged or die from someone caughing in your face. Not to mention that unless you were part of some 0.001% wealthy people you'd probably be a dirt farmer or a factory worker breaking his back 14 hours a day for pennies. Life is much better now. Sure we have trannies and other degenerate shit but I'll take that over the harshness, poverty suffering of daily life 100 years ago.

>>9765651
>You could contact your mom via phone in 1923
Nigga, if you could, you and yo' ancient-ass momma is old as fuck lmao

>>9764414
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/5938236/

Chrono Trigger+ is riddled with typos and it softlocked whenever i tried to crash the Epoch into Lavos (I assume because I killed Magus?). Please don't play it.

>>9766481
>conveniently leaves out the fact that the entire world is reachable within 24 hours

Try getting to the antarctic or mount everest in 24 hours.

>>9766630
>but then forget you couldn't even cross a street any city street at night without getting violently mugged

eeh, I'd say it is the opposite, 100 years ago if someone tried mugging you, the cops would beat them so hard they couldn't stand on their legs for weeks (assuming you didn't shoot them in self defense), nowadays you can get robbed in broad daylight and the robber would be back out on the streets in a few days because the cops violated his rights by being unnecessarily rough while handcuffing him. If he was black, it will also start nationwide riots & looting.

>Not to mention that unless you were part of some 0.001% wealthy people you'd probably be a dirt farmer or a factory worker breaking his back 14 hours a day for pennies.
Ya but back then 1 guy working 14 hours a day could feed his entire family, and if you finished college it guaranteed that you could get a cushy job. Nowadays both you and your wife need to be working so you can afford the rent, and a college degree allows you to flip burgers at mcdonalds.

>>9766963
>rent
lolpoor
Imagine being an adult renter. Did "the blacks" do /that/ to you, too? lmao

>>9765617
He was yuge in the 90s too zoomie

>>9766963
You have a very rosy view of the past. The 1920's were a boom time for criminal organizations bootlegging liquor, it was a very dangerous time to be alive. And yeah a cop might break your legs, but whether it's because you actually committed a crime of not was a coin flip.

Also bear in mind that in the US crime rates in general and violent crime in particular has been dropping steadily since the early 90's and is currently around half of what it was in 1991.

I don't think it's possible for people who weren't born in either the 70's or perhaps as late as the 80's just how profound and completely the internet has changed practically everything.

>>9764418
Is the giant dick shaped island in 1999 AD?

>>9767890
>Also bear in mind that in the US crime rates in general and violent crime in particular has been dropping steadily
Yeah, because they keep re classifying violent crimes as misdemeanours. That's the only reason crimes are dropping; in reality they are anything but. How many nationwide riots and school shootings did the US have just this decade? Shit, how many did you have just this month? It's already Friday, so there probably was a school shooting already this week.

>I don't think it's possible for people who weren't born in either the 70's or perhaps as late as the 80's just how profound and completely the internet has changed practically everything.

I've been alive long enough to understand that. While it did make a lot of things easier, ultimately all it did was speed things up. You can download an album faster than it would take to pick up the CD from the shelf. You can get tickets to anything instantly. You can read the New York Times from anywhere in the world.
But here's the catch: you could do all of that before the Internet too... it just wasn't instantaneous. It took actual planning ahead. It may have taken days/weeks, multiple phone calls, going down to the record store or movie theatre, and so on.

>>9767998
>Yeah, because they keep re classifying violent crimes as misdemeanours. That's the only reason crimes are dropping; in reality they are anything but.

Citation please

>I've been alive long enough to understand that.

Everything you wrote after that sentence makes me seriously doubt that. When we're you born? How much of your life was in the pre-internet world?

>>9767998
>Yeah, because they keep re classifying violent crimes as misdemeanours. That's the only reason crimes are dropping; in reality they are anything but.

Citation please. And bear in mind, crime across the board has been dropping since the 90's. So if you want to try and make that claim along you're going to have to explain why misdemeanours haven't skyrocketed to make up for the drop, they are also declining.

>I've been alive long enough to understand that.

Everything you wrote after that sentence makes me seriously doubt that. When we're you born? How much of your life was in the pre-internet world?

>>9768143
>Everything you wrote after that sentence makes me seriously doubt that.

okay, tell me something I could not have done even at a slower pace / lower fidelity without the internet. Because everything from planning trips to ordering shit from overseas to making international phone calls was still possible. It just cost more, and took more effort and a longer time.

I could still look up how to make a bomb in the library chemistry section, get warez from one of the PC stores that burns CDs in the back office, play co-op vidya in the arcade or by inviting a friend over. We watched Star Wars in German with a TV satellite and we could order useless crap from german tele-shops. I could still navigate my car cross-country with a map, the map was just a physical object, and plan I had to plan the route with a pencil. I could write a letter in german by commissioning a high school teacher to translate it for me, but I could even buy a dictionary or a "how to learn german" book (English isn't even my first language, and I learnt it before I had internet). I could access every movie ever made at a place called Video Rental - but I could also buy a ton of blank tapes and record movies for myself from TV. The same was true for music, which I could listen to on the go with a walkman. I could look up guides on Final Fantasy in gaming mags. I could still get porn, just via magazines or mail order tapes. Porn comics existed too. I could still watch anime because they released a lot with subtitles in the early 90s.

These are all things I've actually done before I had internet. The Internet just made it more convenient, easier, and faster, and you can find obscure crap without any effort now.

>>9768298
bra, but that is some tl;dr right there.
did you even bother giving anon the customs he asked for?

>>9768306
>customs
Citations. wtf the fuck is wrong with my fucking autocorrect

>>9764721
>The only idiots who think we live in Jetsons today are the Biden administration.
lol what does this even mean?

>>9768312
It's a pretty dated joke.

>>9768143
Holy shit dude you drink the kool-aid.

>um citation please
>thats not a source I like

>>9768317
that comic is about the future not the present, which is what schizoanons comment referred to

>>9768318
no source was ever provided

>>9768326
>Implying 2023 isn't the future from 2008's perspective

>>9768298
Fascinating that you continue to insist nothing has changed other than speed in a long winded response about various shit and you carefully avoid that you don't actually know what the world was like you just throw assumptions. That's the point I'm making, it's so much more than just "things are the same but faster" and I could probably type out a whole book here but it wouldn't really make sense. It's got almost nothing to do with speed.

>>9768318
I realize I am from an era when if you made a claim it was expected that you could back it up with facts, not just sayit and hope if you say it often and loud enough it will somehow become true.

>>9768318
It’s a pretty well known fact that random crime in the US has fallen off significantly now that literally everyone has a camera in their pockets that can instantly publicize sequences of events that unfold around them 24/7. If you’re from some 3rd world shithole then maybe nothing has changed in spite of this, but over here it’s an undeniable fact that criminals are at 10000% greater risk of getting fucked after a single offense.

>>9764414
1999 is just the setting of dragon ball.

>>9767329
>Built the wall meme
>Relevant to the 90's
Sasuga, retard-kun.

>>9764721
>>9765095
>>9765407
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>>9768356
Not retro.

>>9768341
you still haven't written anything to disprove me other than "you are wrong".

>>9764414
> 1999AD if humanity had magic and was not retarded to use it for global warfare

>>9766963
Ah, a deluded polcel. I could've known.

>>9768318
>make outlandish claims
>can you back this up with a source?
>random polcel meme screeching
Every time

>>9766903
Good Fucking Lord

>>9764615
>make car shaped plane
>call it flying car
Yeah wow also it looks so fucking flimsy that it's less secure than a pinto. Cut travel time in half (or if you want to sound pompous "by a factor of two"), by adding how much time to get to an airstrip? Couple that with all the bullshit required for a normal plane and flying cars will NEVER take off.

Look what a shithole 1999 is. Crammed grey hellhole cities under domes, because the planet is so wrecked the air is not breathable. Large deserts. Bunker-like structures. Lavos' cleansing fire is what they truly deserve.

>>9768813
Because I clearly don't need to at this point. Whether you understand ot not doesn't reallymatter.

>>9764481
wait Star Destroyer whaaa is this hyperbole or another example of vidja getting away w copyright infringe. I couldn't find anything on a quick google search so Im thinking not literally lol.

>>9768813
Aren't you the one who needs to provide evidence for your claims since you're the one making claims in the first place?
Russell's teapot and all that.

>>9764418
it is possible that someone who makes the hack have more talent than the original devs, and if he or they were on the original team the game would have been better and with more soul, even though it's unlikely, it's still possible, so hacks can potentially be worthy to check

> Someone has made 1999AD from Chrono Trigger available
Why do you need to make a thread read like a clickbait article? I wouldn’t touch it based on that alone.

>>9770016
It's called ESL...

>>9766963
fucking retard

>>9765962
It seems like the tech still advanced from 1999 to 2300, I'm pretty sure that you didn't have pods where you could get a full 8 hours of sleep in mere seconds in 1999 as you did in 2300. So some tech probably advanced, but the world around became much more dystopian, much like this century in our own reality has been panning out.

>>9771673
That was certainly worth a bump.

>>9769454
Maybe the cities are under domes to protect them from natural disasters. Property damage from disasters can add up to billions in costs, not tot mention injuries, loss of life, disruption of commerce and services, etc. Lavos just needed a hug and a friend.

>>9769601
>lol I don't need to make an argument because I'm right and you are wrong.
ok

>>9769792
>Aren't you the one who needs to provide evidence for your claims since you're the one making claims in the first place?
already listed a bunch, but it seems the only reply to that was "tl;dr".

>>9771948
>my evidence? this anecdotal bullshit that has no basis in reality, THAT is my evidence!
lol
Give me an APA bibliography (shit, I'll even take MLA) or gtfo.

>>9771948
You said some factually untrue stuff about crime in the past vs now and the way you talk about how the internet hasn't really changed anything other than speed highlights what I was saying about people who didn't grow up in pre-internet days wouldn't really grasp just how drastically and fundamentally everything has changed. And yeah I could probably write out a book on it, but why bother?

>>9764454
Magic snort snort

>>9771870
I figured it was this+dragon ball influence of course.

>>9765695
…Street Fighter 2010? Also, where does Xenogears play in this?

>>9769454
Domed cities are an old golden age of sci fi staple that was one of the first aspects of environmental protection. Technically archologies, they also existed for the then understood sense of convenience.

>>9769658
fuck off retard, it's the Black Omen

>>9765418
Lavos didn't really kill anyone, just razed a few cites. He did leave it a giant gaping husk that would slowly die from lack of resources though. He's a parasite and when he erupts he's basically killing his host and seeding the corpse with his children that will one day blast off into space to do it to another planet

You guys know that Toriyama also just really likes domes in general, right? Like half of the buildings in any given landscape are domes in his work. You don't really need to overthink it more than that

>>9764721
It's astonishing how intellectually and morally stunted you are yet how much importance you place on your own childish opinions.

You should really stop thinking you're politically, socially, or morally aware about anything because you visited /pol/ or read a rolling stone article.

>>9773907
These swathes of wasteland surrounding most structures doesn't look like environmental protection

>>9774859
Even back then we knew we would fuck the earth.

>>9773898
I have no idea wh you're bring up Xenogears but in 2001 we found the Zohar and in 2510 we started space colonization. Earth became a forbidden place for reasons that never were explained. TEN THOUSAND YEARS LATER and the game begins

>>9773960
I fucking love domes

>>9776332
Xenogears started out as CT2

>>9776771
wtf

>>9777376
This is how the maps in most rugs actually work. If you fly through the top of the map, you come out at the bottom. If it was a globe you'd come out of the other side of the top of the map

>>9776771
>>9778224
Nah, donut shape would suggest that "inner" portion of map would be shorter to travel horizontally for flying vehicles.
In reality it would be just endlessly repeating 2D plane or some flowing 4D quantum fuckery.

>>9764563
Do you live anywhere near the military or in a really, REALLY remote area in the States? Modern drones deployed this year fit that description. It would make sense if it was a prototype or something.

>>9778273
Not necessarily. That would be a map projection problem.

I think there might still be a direction flip though, which you might also solve as a map projection problem.

>>9778441
Oh, hey.
Nope. Saw it in Philafuckindelphia. If it was a military prototype, then that's two military shits I've seen that i can find no reference to online anymore. The other was a YT video I saw some years back. A guy invented a system or some shit that allowed a car to move effortlessly in any direction. He had it on a Honda Civic, iirc. It was creepy. Forward and backward like a normal car is fine but when you see it move side to side or diagonally, the wheels never turning but looking like they're folding in on themselves like a snake (I'll find a WebM to show you the serpentine motion I'm talking about), it looks just unreal and unsettling.
Anyway, the guy took the video and the whole channel down shortly after posting another video saying that his design was purchased by the US military.
I should have saved the video when i had the chance but i just never thought it would out and out disappear like that.

>>9778920
So imagine the box is a Honda Civic and the wheels...

>>9778928
>>9778920
... are moving similarity to the snake in this WebM. The whole thing made me hear hurt, like what i was seeing simply couldn't be possible.

>>9764418
I mean it's cool as long as you acknowledge it's not canon

>>9778853
Projection of not, If it was really donut-shaped then some in-level skyboxes would show dimmed water with islands (inverted?) instead of clear skies or stars.

>>9776771
You can't just slap a rectangle on a toroid, it distorts the rectangle. For that to work, the map would have to be distorted in the first place, meaning you'd need a working toroidal world, and create a 2D map from that, by distorting it in a methodical way. But obviously it displays the world as it is.

That's just the map part, if you add illumination, gravity, curvature, etc, this attempt completely falls apart. You just warp from one end to the other, and that's it.

>>9764454
Guardia's civilization was able to advance fairly rapidly during peacetime. They have no blacks, jews, or other such problems.

>>9778928
>>9778931
sneks are cute :3

>>9776334
t. akira

>>9781008
I might have some bad news for you.

>>9781772
Is this loss?

that "really inspired gamer" was op btw

>>9782089
Looks like Alaska

>>9769658
The ocean palace turns into the black omen which, while it can easily be mistaken for a flying castle or mountain, is actually a space ship that is shaped suspiciously like a star destroyer. Japs were obsessed with star wars in the 80s and 90s so retro games are full of references like this.

>>9781772
What exactly are you trying to communicate with pictures of rotated and crunched Alaska? If you think you're being clever with projections, read again.

>>9781008
You can
Nash embbeding theorem gives you a C1 isometry from the wrapped plane to a surface in R3 (You can't do it if you have a second degree of differentiabilty without distorsion because of Gauss's theorem)

>>9778273
>>9781008
silly nerds, the truth is far uglier. it is actually possible to embed a flat torus in 3d isometrically if you corrugate the torus. this has been known for 10+ years
https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.1118478109

>>9782139
More like Alaska, Smallaska, Squishaska and Tiltaska.

>>9782151
Damn shame

>>9777777

>>9764541
>LARA brand Leg Shredder 2000
KEK

>>9764547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiF9X8NRh-A