/vr/ - Retro Games

I still need to get a CRT with composite in before I'm hooking mine up. Need to do more research first but I want the best experience I can to do it justice because I've wanted one since I was like 6 or 7 and just got one a few months ago (gray Japanese). I bought a PSK cart with it and my buddy gave me some bootleg discs for Astal, Guardian Heroes 2, Bulk Slash, VirtualON, Radiant Silvergun and Galactic Attack - when I finally get it all set up, what should I play first?

>>9759992
All good games, I'd go with Guardian Heroes, it's my favorite of that bunch
Get a CD burner and start burning some other games you find interesting

>>9759945
What's weird to me is usually the white controllers have white cables and connectors. I think that's a rehoused grey controller.

>>9760092
The early white controllers had dark gray cables and connectors, later ones it's a lighter gray with a white connector. I wouldn't be surprised if the earlier ones used left over cable stock.

>unironically the best saturn kusogexclusive

Thinkin of getting a Japanese Saturn, should I get a grey or white one?

>>9759945
I haven't played mine in months, and I might be getting rid of my old 32" CRT to clear out some space in my living room (I'm buying a friend's flatscreen to help her raise money to move out of state and won't have space in my living room for both). I'm thinking of selling the Saturn. What would a decent ballpark price be for the following:

> Japanese Model 2 Saturn in excellent condition
> MODE ODE installed with 120GB SSD
> Standard white controller
> White 3D controller
> Black Stunner gun
> ASCII "Fighter Stick X" (The Street Fighter Alpha version, complete with the box, registration card, and stickers)
> White Memory Cart
> 1MB RAM Cart
> 4MB RAM Cart
> 4-in-1 Pseudosaturn cart
> Netlink

I've been so fucking busy lately I haven't been able to touch it. The last game I played was Space Hulk: Vengeance of the Blood Angels. It's pretty primitive, but its a lot of fun if you're into older FPS games and are a Warhammerfag.

how does saturn memory saving works? do I have o buy a cardtridge to put it on the slot behind where the cd bay is? I think I read somewhere that it also had internal memory

>>9760625
It saves to a CR2032 battery. Behind the console, there's an expansion bay. That's where it lives. I'd recommend using a good MIJ battery like a Maxell. Those usually last longer than the Chinesium shit. Also yes, the cartridge slot behind the disc drive is used for memory cards and ram expansion.

>>9760625
The Saturn has internal save storage on volatile memory that is powered by a CR-2032 battery (a watch battery). You can save games directly to the console, but the if the battery dies your saves are lost. You can hotswap batteries to prevent this, and the batteries tend to last for a long time anyway, but anyone with a Saturn should also have a memory cartridge. You can access the saved games stored on both the console and memory carts from within the Saturn's BIOS menu.

Memory carts fit in the slot behind the drive door and work like a typical memory card does on other consoles. They're also fucking huge compared to the onboard storage (if I remember right the onboard storage is like 400-something blocks, and the memory cart is over 8,000).

Normal memory carts have 'direct save', which means you save games directly to the cart. Some Gameshark/Action Replay carts have onboard savegame storage, but its compressed, so you can't save games directly to it (its not recognized by the console). Instead you have to load the Action Replay menu and transfer saves from the console to the cart, which compresses them.

Modern ODEs (optical drive emulators) that replace the Saturn's CD-ROM drive also have a feature that lets you backup saves (either individually, or the entire contents of the console's save storage) onto removable storage (like a MicroSD card, USB stick, or hard drive).

You can also replace the volatile memory on the Saturn's motherboard with a different chip that is non-volatile (as in, if your battery dies, your saves don't disappear). This is called an FRAM mod, and it requires soldering skill. Some game/electronic stores will do this procedure for a fee if you're not comfortable with your soldering skills.

Save carts are different from RAM carts on the Saturn. RAM carts have extra short term memory used for a handful of games, but you cannot save games to them.

>>9760163
I love the atmosphere in this game, peak B movie

>>9760418
i like the white one with the pink like in op image but i get called gay for that

Playing my legit copy of Sonic Jam, feels good.
>ODE
The only mod I did to my Saturn was for the disc-swap trick which I used once to install Pseudosaturn on my AR4 cart, and I just play burned CD-Rs. Though right now I need to change the internal battery, but keep forgetting, so I just play my original games and use the original memory cart to save.

>>9760532
Those older WH40K games are very well polished for their era.
Space Hulk: VotBA is definitely still fun even today and I played it when new (and was again a few months ago). The gameplay is still hilariously fun especially when you hear a genestealer’s groan and one of your terminators says, “what was that?”.

>>9761253
Not a Warhammer fan by any means but this looks pretty good, gonna give it a try later

>>9760970
I got a Phantom Universal back when you could still get those for $30 and a non-PseudoSaturn Action Replay to play imports/expand memory. I also have a Jap memory card/Jap OEM S-video cable so I'm basically set. Only thing I need is a multitap for Bomberman. Only thing is some games block "cheat" devices like Panzer Dragoon so you have to patch the .iso. I've been thinking about making a region free bios chip because I have an eeprom writer, but I've seen what it looks like when people fuck up pulling the bios chip.

I have an Action Replay, but I haven't altered it yet. I'd like to be able to play burned games, but from what I understand, modding the AR to play burned games overwrites it's ability to back-up game saves. I know I could just get a memory card or a 2nd AR to solve the problem, but my AR has to be inserted at just the right angle or it Saturn won't read it. If I remove the AR cartridge, it's a pain in the ass to get the Saturn to read it again. So I don't want to be swapping around multiple cartridges. Is there a cart that I can buy that does it all? Save data backup, ram expansion, region-free, AND plays burned games?

>>9762373
Yeah, the 4 in 1 Pseudo Saturn Kai. They're like $40 on aliexpress

>>9762395
Thanks! Is there any disadvantage to using the Pseudo Saturn Kai compared to using multiple ARs, or an AR and a memory card?

Can anyone recommend me a CD burner and CDs that are good for burning Saturn games? I hear that the console is quite picky about the discs and the burning method used.

>>9762581
Some people will insist you should burn at the lowest speed possible only on the highest quality Japan imported Taiyo Yunden CD-Rs but I've never had a problem with Verbatim disks and a disk drive pulled out of a old PC that burns at 8x

>>9762607
>Taiyo Yunden
The good JVC MIJ Taiyo Yunden discs haven't been made since 2016. They were bought out by CMC. They aren't made in Japan anymore, they're made in Taiwan and they aren't as good. There really aren't any good archival CD-Rs anymore. Unless someone starts manufacturing M-DISC CDs.

>>9761253
>>9761868
I fucking love Space Hulk, bros. I love Space Hulk so much so that I just spent ten minutes of my time making a shitty infographic about it.

>>9762581
>>9762607
Yeah, people will argue with each other whether its better to burn at 2X (or the lowest your burner will go) or max speed, or whatever the disc was rated at, but at the end of the day you can get a 100 pack of CDRs on Amazon for like $20, so if you get a bad burn all you've done is wasted twenty cents worth of plastic. Try it a few different ways and you'll find out which method is better for your burner, Saturn, and the media you're using. Honestly though, at this point just get an ODE.

>>9762193
The first modchip I ever got for a Saturn was one of those old Racketboy chips that were like $15 back in the early 2000s. The dude even let me kick him an extra $8 to burn me a DVD with a bunch of disc images on it.

>>9759945

>>9762789
>I fucking love Space Hulk, bros. I love Space Hulk so much so that I just spent ten minutes of my time making a shitty infographic about it.

While this isn't /tg/, I gotta tell you that I LOVE WH40K TOO. It's just cool and draws from all sorts of history, legends, and more. Those Space Hulk games, earlier strategy games such as WH40K Final Liberation (I beat it a few years ago and it really fun), and others are really great.

Seeing what the game designers can do with the limited technology of the day such as the Saturn in this case and utilizing it to create a spectacular strategy/fps scenario is what makes the Emperor of Mankind smile.

On a side note, the novel Death of Integrity by Guy Haley is a wonderful space hulk story.

>>9762789
I’m playing it again right now.

I'm just starting exploring this system, and Panzer Dragoon is the first exclusive I've tried. I was not expecting to enjoy it this much! The world is very engrossing, and the music and aesthetic are top notch. The controls also feel perfect. Why are rail shooters such an underlooked genre?

>>9762916
I've read Death of Integrity, it's great. My favorite part is where the admech dude is looking at a Techmarine with disdain, while thinking about how much he dislikes them, how the machine cult teaches them the absolute bare minimum of their secrets because they are not worthy of the gift of knowledge, how space marines are basically disposable tools, and how they probably don't even deserve names. I love marines, but while most characters in the universe are super stoked to have them around it was nice to see the inner thoughts of an imperial who was basically disgusted by them. Also new edition fuck yeah fucking terminators rule baby let's gooooooooo!

>>9762967
Based beyond belief, battle brother.

>>9763067
Panzer Dragoon is pretty great, definitely a highlight on the system. The "many, many years after the apocalypse" aesthetic is pure kino, and the game looks amazing compared to a lot of other games in the 32 bit era. The ability to rotate your view around and attack/be attacked from all directions really elevates it above traditional rail shooters. The second game is more of the same, but with some really cool graphical tricks, and Saga is a fullblown RPG.

Most of the best games on the system are exclusives, they tend to take better advantage of the hardware when compared to multiplats (which usually had the PS1 as the lead platform). There are some games that hit both systems that either run better on, or have new/interesting features on, the Saturn though. One of the best examples is Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - it was ported by a b-team at Capcom with a super strict schedule, so it ended up having a lot of performance issues when compared to the PS1 version, but there were 2 massive new areas (technically 4 with the inverted castle) and a third playable character added. Its worth checking out the fan translated version (which fixes some of the major performance issues) if you're a Castlevaniafag.

>>9762967
oh fugg I forgot to mention, try Alien Trilogy if you haven't already, it has a similar dark atmosphere. It's a very straightforward FPS though, no strategic elements.

>>9763382
is this the same as the atari jaguar release?
i thought that was a mf exclusive

>>9763682
You're thinking of Aliens Vs. Predator. Alien Trilogy was Saturn/PS1/PC.

>>9763382
Alien Trilogy is a pretty fun doom clone and also has an amazing OST, underrated.

>>9763382
I just found my copy that I bought when it was new!

Are there saturn exclusives and games worth playing over other platforms if I'm not physically collecting them

>>9763382
I loved this one on my psx, should be good too on saturn

>>9764228
It runs a little smoother, loads faster, and has a slightly better draw distance on the Saturn. That, and the Saturn's d-pad is significantly better than the PS1's.

The downsides are its missing some effects (like ejecting spent rounds after firing), and it uses mesh transparencies so if you're playing it on anything sharper than a CRT with composite video any of the transparent glass in the game is going to look like complete ass. This doesn't really come up often, although there is a level in the colony section of the game that is filled with labs with glass walls everywhere that is hilariously ugly as a result.

Amusingly enough Alien Trilogy is one of a handful of games that only uses a single SH-2,

>>9763382
I loved Die Hard Trilogy for PS1 as a kid. My local rental store didn't have Alien Trilogy though, so I never got to try that one. They're made by the same studio I'm pretty sure. I'm gonna have to try it one of these days. If AT is anywhere near as fun as DHT, it's gonna be a good time. I think I'll likely just get the PS1 version though.

>>9764629
Hmm, it sounds like the Saturn version might actually be worth choosing over the PS1 version. Unlike DHT which is unquestionably better on PS1. Then again, wasn't Alien Trilogy the first FPS to incorporate dual stick controls? And is famous now for reviews at the time calling the new control scheme terrible? Or am I thinking of a different Alien game?

>>9764643
Alien Trilogy isn't three different game types like Die Hard Trilogy is, it's a straight FPS game throughout. The 'trilogy' in the title refers to the game being split into three episodes, with each episode being based on a location from the movies. The first levels in the game start you in a colony, then partway through the game you go to a prison/metalworks, then for the last third of the game you're in an alien derelict.

>>9764658
You're thinking of Alien: Resurrection on the PS1, which did have dual stick controls. It's a good game (also probably one of the best if not the best looking games on the console), but it is BALLS HARD. The difficulty level is absolutely insane. The devs had been playtesting their own game for the entire development and they naturally got really fuckin' good at playing it, so they made the difficulty based on already having been playing the game nonstop for over a year. They never brought in outside testers so there was no one to tell them that the game was borderline impossible for new players.

It is funny that reviews bitched about a control scheme that was just a couple years away from becoming the industry standard though. I think the first game to really popularize it was TimeSplitters on the PS2.

why does the Saturn feel so soulful?

>>9760910
The blind mans cabin is true kino, it'll put a smile on anyone's face.

>>9763378
>Based beyond belief, battle brother.
For the Emperor!

I just started Alien Trilogy and and it’s been 20+ years since I played it last. It’s still just fun! I like it better than the other newer games (not retro) because the designers actually put movie sets in game and the enemies act like they should. And by that I mean they just kill you but you can kill them too unlike that bad Aliens Colonial Marines game, Aliens the comic book adventure, Alien: Isolation (it’s moreso like the first movie and the xeno is almost unkillable), and others.
In contrast, the DOOM 1+2 mod Aliens Trilogy is good though if you wanna try that. You even get a flashlight and auto turrets(?) just like in the movie Aliens.

How's the Hori Fighting Stick SS? Thinking of picking one up, they aren't too expensive from Japan

How's the Hori Fighting Stick SS? Thinking of picking one up, they aren't too expensive from Japan

>>9765315
Good stick and solid construction. The buttons feel somewhat cheap though. Worth it for the price if you like fight sticks.

>>9765415
Thanks, I'll go ahead and buy one then

my 4mb ram keeps like, dislodging mid-game

>>9766654
You gotta tape it bro
tape that fucker down

>>9762395
Pardon my ignorance, and the long URL, but is this the one you're talking about?
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005004379254855.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.42b141bd00WWI5&browser_id=6be7a0200a2749e7b88027fe8f159f7a&aff_trace_key=d51d7f0a69414a8489148e46f0d497de-1679699185491-02913-UneMJZVf&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=wslhigbgcadeweql18715e20e481d727313ec4a0b2&gclid=&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21CAD%2191.23%2158.4%21%21%21%21%21%40212249cb16796993490687512d0706%2112000028989475127%21sea%21CA%210&algo_pvid=43790594-b73a-4521-97ec-c33ddc858b0b&ad_pvid=202303241609091919601464392060016578684_1
So, this does everything my Action Replay does, as well as playing burned discs, with no need to mod my saturn, mod the cart, or do the swap trick?

>>9767901
Yep, that's the exact cartridge I bought from the same seller

>>9760625
>>9760640
>>9762373
>>9767901
I really encourage you to make this mod to your AR cartridges: https://segaxtreme.net/threads/saturn-action-replay-plus-4m-auto-dual-boot-mod.24530/
Basically, newer AR cartridges have a 2nd memory bank that is unused for whatever reason. If you go through this process, you now have a backup loader and a memory cart, and can switch back and forth without ever pulling the thing out.
It should be pretty easy if you know how to solder, although a coworker did it for me. I installed a Memory Cart Plus firmware in the 2nd bank and it works wonders, even saving directly to the cart for legit games.
Mind you, it can only boot one firmware at a time, so you'll still be forced to save on the console for backups, but it's easy to enter in memory cart form and just copy those saves to it.
This mod doesn't modify its RAM capabilities in any way so it would still work as a 1/4MB RAM regardless of the boot you choose.

>>9768479
You can get pre-flashed carts with PSK, cheats, direct save, and 1MB/4MB RAM support if you don't feel like soldering one yourself. They're harder to find, but they exist.

>>9768607
They aren't hard to find they're 40 bucks on aliexpress

>>9766654
sounds like the pins are either loose or you are touching it

>>9768719
It didn't work when I first got it, and I did the trick where you shove a Philips screwdriver in the cartridge slot and and loosen those screws slightly. Worked fine for a few months. So idk. Maybe it was when I moved the console to another room.

Does that other guy really tape it down??

>>9769310
I don't tape mine down or use a shim, but my cart slot requires you to insert the cart all the way, and then gently pull it up like a millimeter and then it works.

The Saturn's cart slot has a shitload of pins (in terms of data it's fast as fuck, which is why you can do things like save games instantly, or use it for fucking RAM of all things), but as a result once a console ages it can get very finicky. Saturn hardware is generally very rugged, they don't have any of the major issues like other /vr/ disc based consoles had (like the PS1's laser sleds wearing out or the PS2's DREs), but the cartridge slot is definitely the weak point in the Saturn's hardware and is the biggest point of failure.

A lot of it can be blamed on the design of the slot itself, but a lot of it can also be blamed on low quality third party cartridges (like the old generic 3-in-1s/4-in-1s or region bypass carts that used to be all over the place) which had thicker PCBs that weren't beveled, which would cause significantly more wear to the cartridge slot's pins when inserted. Since a lot of Saturn owners were forced to import games from Japan (especially later on in the console's life when US releases started slowing down) those carts were everywhere.

Hopefully someday there will be a hardware mod that alleviates this problem.

>>9769324
Honestly the biggest issue is simply the pin density. It makes the slot at lot more sensitive to dirty pins, dust, debris, etc. So it makes keeping it clean and the carts themselves clean a very high priority.

The slot itself generally I haven't had to ever clean, but cleaning the carts pretty much always fixes any issue I have where it doesn't read it properly. I have about 4 different Saturns with multiple official carts that I regularly swap between them. I've never had a cart I couldn't get working by just cleaning it with some rubbing alcohol and q-tips.

I want a Saturn Mini. Guess there are too many licensing issues with things like Sega Rally and Daytona though.

So, I have a little dilemma. I have two Saturns, one US, one JP. Both are model 1s, but they each have a problem: The US Saturn's right audio channel is quiet, which is annoying. While the JP Saturn can read official disks just fine, it really doesn't like reading CD-Rs, but the US one can read them perfectly. After watching an ODE installation video, it seems like it would be easy to take the US Saturn's CD drive and just put it in the JP Saturn. There shouldn't be any issues, right?

>>9771614
>While the JP Saturn can read official disks just fine, it really doesn't like reading CD-Rs
You can calibrate your laser by adjusting the potentiometer until it starts reading burns

>>9771619
I see, I just watched a video of a guy doing that, it seems simple enough. I'll give that a try, thanks for the tip!

>>9771654
If you don't have a multimeter to properly calibrate adjust it in TINY increments until it starts reading
And of course remember it will put more strain on the laser which will likely make it die quicker

>>9770285
>Saturn Mini

Saturn emulation isn't at the point where it can be done easily at 1920x1080 on a $5 SOC in a $4 plastic housing with a $3 USB controller and a $99 pricetag. Until that happens, we won't be seeing any Saturn microconsoles regardless of any potential licensing issues.

>>9769910
This is true. Most of these carts were manufactured almost 30 years ago, the amount of hard to see dust/dirt that can build up over that length of time is pretty wild.

>>9771674
Noted. It does read CD-Rs sometimes, but fails eventually so I shouldn't have to adjust it more than the tiniest turn. At least I still have that other Saturn's laser as a backup.

>>9759945
>Stop playing my Saturn after a long sesh
>Saturn smells like burning plastic
Anybody else have this problem?

>>9772071
I reckon the power supply is on it's way out or at leas a component on it needs replacing

>>9760640
>>9760636
LATE, BUT MANY THANKS FOR YOUR AWESOME EDUCATIONAL REPLIES ANONS!!!

>>9768620
I think he meant authentic AR carts and not the custom carts that are a dime a dozen. I still stand by my black All-In-One cart that I bought off ebay though, it's more than paid for itself at this point. Even after I moved on to the Terraonion MODE I still have the cart permanently docked into the Saturn to handle saves, cheats, and RAM expansion, it's a quintessential accessory for getting the most out of your Saturn.

What resolution does this game run at on the Saturn? Tried playing it on my CRT and everything shakes a bit, like it's a really bad 480i signal.

>>9772071
No lol, you should get that fixed anon

>>9759945
Gonna emulate the Saturn but my only six-button controller is an N64 controller lol, has anybody else tried this? I'm musing buying an N64>USB adaptor but I wonder if the ergonomics of the smaller C-buttons will be an issue.

>>9776550
I think it'll be fine. If I have to be honest, I like the C buttons better than the bead XYZ buttons.

>>9775289
>Tried playing it on my CRT and everything shakes a bit
Not all CRT's handle interlaced well it seems but yes it is 480i from what I remember

>>9759945
i am planning on getting a gray jp saturn, but the only thing that's holding me is how i am gonna play the games ? ODEs are out of the question because i am cheap.
also can the saturn be played on 32 sony bravia hdtv or i will have a difficulty with it ?

>>9776770
A pack of blank CD-Rs and Pseudo Saturn cartridge or if you're REALLY cheap learn to do the swap trick

>>9776773
i will consider the pesudo kai because i fear swap tricks

>>9776770
it won't look good
play with an emulator if you are cheaping out
no point in using real hardware unless you're gonna get an upscaler or a CRT

>>9776789
i am building my setup step by step, also i don't care if it looked good or bad if it on the playable range that's very fine for me but if it looked unplayable i am gonna search my city for a free or a cheap crt

Enrich Tavern. Home

>>9769324
>>9769910
thanks for the tips, i'll try cleaning the 4mb ram with rubbing alcohol and doing the pull-up method

>>9776770
definitely get an ODE,dont bother with CDR's.
i sold my saturn a few years back, always wanted one wen they came out, eventually got one, didnt come with an AV cable, it was 12yrs before i picked one up,lol. a lot of the games i was disappointed how shit they looked, enhanced by a modern sony lcd, crt is a must. also i own a 37 sony bravia from 2007, anything thru AV looks shit, coupled with the bad screen its doubley shit, vga&hdmi is passable.

anyway CDR's i didnt have much luck, i converted rayearth from ntsc to pal and used the classic swap trick, i tried verbatim and some cheap discs from tecso/asda, and the game barely loaded up the intro would skip/jump, it may have been my pc's drive as well as the cdrs as it would only burn cdrs at 12x or 16x, i though i'd need another old drive that writes at a lower speed, all the ones ive got the lasers have had it, so chances of finding an old drive thats good is slim. also i figured i was screwed without old taiyo yuuden cdrs, which wont be easy to find, at the time the ODE's were still new so didnt seem like an option.

since selling my saturn ive got into arcade games, i realised just how many good game there are, that ive never heard of or didnt get released in the PAL region, regret selling it now, i am gonna get another one eventually, and i will get an ODE.

mine was a PAL model 1, it was the easiest to do the swap trick on, if i get another what one would anons recommend? should i get another PAL model 1? or a JAP one?

>>9777135
Region mod is very easy on Saturns across all models as far as I'm aware
I have a PAL model 2 and I played all games with no problem back in the day

>>9777135
Pseudo Saturn Kai and burnt CDRs work absolutely fine if you're okay with long term usage potentially wearing out your laser quicker, I've played through countless games that way. Some games require patching with the PSK patcher utility Panzer Dragoon Saga being one of them Rayearth might be another

Go for the Japanese Saturn, there's very few games optimized for 50hz so most of the time you'll be playing games at 17% slower than their intended speed. Japanese Saturns are also a whole lot cheaper but keep in mind you'll need a step down power converter if you live in a PAL region

>>9777135
Pseudo Saturn Kai and burnt CDRs work absolutely fine if you're okay with long term usage potentially wearing out your laser quicker, I've played through countless games that way. Some games require patching with the PSK patcher utility Panzer Dragoon Saga being one of them Rayearth might be another

Go for the Japanese Saturn, there's very few games optimized for 50hz so most of the time you'll be playing games at 17% slower than their intended speed with a PAL Saturn. Japanese Saturns are also a whole lot cheaper but keep in mind you'll need a step down power converter if you live in a PAL region

>used to listen to music using the Saturn player on the TV with my ex gf
>can't bring myself to even turn on the Saturn anymore because memories
fuck, it's been over a month already... I'll be fine, right bros? r-right? ;_;

>>9776770
i ordered the saturn it might around april

>>9759945
>>9759992
Any reason not to play this on Mister FPGA instead?

>>9777135
>it may have been my pc's drive as well as the cdrs as it would only burn cdrs at 12x or 16x
Yeah I only ever burn DVDs/blurays/CDs at 4x speed max. That's pretty bad. I have a LG DVD burner I got off Amazon for like $20 that does the job fine. Then I have a bluray burner with the custom firmware flashed for MDISC burning/4k .mkv ripping.
>also i figured i was screwed without old taiyo yuuden cdrs
You don't need the meme jap CDRs. The good ones aren't even made anymore. I'm pretty sure they're made in Thailand now. If you really want to be gay, you can buy the Verbatim gold """archival""" discs. If you don't need your CDr to be meme shit, just use regular Verbatim discs. If your Saturn is struggling to read CDRs, it might be time for a new laser. I don't know if anyone still makes them, but I stocked up on like 4 spares back in '17 for like $20 a pop. Otherwise an ODE might be the way to go.
>swap trick
That's a good way to kill discs and disc drives. Never once. Get a 4-in-1/Action Replay/mod chip.

>>9779119
Sound issues in a lot of games, ranging from hissing to no audio at all

>>9779119
Not sure the Saturn is complete yet, nor do I know if the 4MB/1MB expansion is doable but someone correct me if I'm wrong

>>9777453
Time heals all wounds, duder.

Just give it time.

Will a PAL SCART cable work in an NTSC Saturn?

>>9780003
Pretty sure Sega Saturns are universal, just the power supply is different

>>9780119
Universal aside from the PSU and 50/60hz

>>9780119
>>9780445
Interesting. Could I put the PSU from my PAL Saturn into my NTSC Saturn? So I don't have to fuck around with step down converters?

>>9759945
Currently in the process of importing some accessories and controllers for my Saturn from Japan. I was planning on getting the 1MB and 4MB cartridges and using my Satiator to store saves. Is there any point in getting an AR cart?

Don't care what anyone says, this is pure soul.

>>9780627
Ye

>>9781058
EURO JANK!
I just wanted to say that. Like when /vr/ has Turrican threads.
Been meaning to try that version myself.
>Saturn is loved here so enjoy it

Friendly reminder to not use 3rd party carts. These often wear out your cart slots faster.

>>9781009
>any point in getting an AR cart?
No. AR fucks your cart slot up. Because thicker PCB. Avoid.

What are the essential saturn games? I bought an 8btn retrobit genesis controller primarily to play genesis games, but also with the intent of finally trying out the saturn too. Always been interested in it, but the six button layout with two shoulder buttons always made me want to wait until I had an appropriate controller.

What would you guys say are some games for the system that everyone should play?

I'm going to play all three Shining Force 3 releases, they look cool. Funny enough it was a Shining Force 3 amv that piqued my interest in the series.

>>9782173
Psychic killer taromaru
Shinobi x
Cotton 2

>>9782173
Die Hard Arcade

>>9782173
Dragon force is pants shittingly good

Will sega actually make a Saturn mini or are they just teasing our cocks?

>>9782176
I recommend shinobi x with the euro music

>>9782181
Dynamite Dekka is alot cheaper. Are there parts in the game where I'll need to know japanese?

>>9782174
I tried part 2 not too long ago, did the first mission but then there's a massive lore dump after that and I just got kind of bored and turned it off, might have just not been in the mood though and may try again later. It has been about 20 years since I played part 1.

Bakuchads... it's our time to shine.

>>9782173
I really enjoyed Fighters Megamix. Kumachan kicks major ass.

>>9760532
Easily higher than 800 USD.

>>9782190
Siggers shit their pants nothing undocumented

>ODE
Sorry but I prefer the ritual of clicking a CD into the tray and listening to console spin up and do stuff

>>9782885
Not to mention using it as a CD player while you lay in bed with your gf.

>>9782190
One of my favorite games ever, but man I think you may be overselling it.

>>9782891
don't be cruel

Bought that Retrobit Saturn controller I bought into the Saturn fud. filthy emulation but I’m excited to dig into a library I never touched as a kid. There’s some fan translation projects I’m looking forward to exploring as well.

>>9780003
Follow up to this. I've tried it and it works but it's not outputting RGB and looks like composite, gonna buy a third party cable and hope that's better

>>9782681
The quick time events probably. But
>buying saturn games in 2023

>>9759992
>>9760039
Seconded Guardian Heroes

>>9782885
Just finished Shining the Holy ark and you can hear the laser moving position when you're near a tile with an enemy. Dunno if I liked that or not

>>9783465
Yeah, I haven't pulled the trigger yet on the psuedosaturn cart recommended to me by >>9762395 >>9767935 , so I'm still overpaying for real copies of games. I want an all-in-one cart that can hold save data, act as a ram upgrade, play out-of-region games, AND play burned discs, but this cart looks like cheap chinashit compared to the Action Replay I have, so I'm kinda wary.

Mr Bones bros..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj8XzdW3CHk

>>9784814
Sega Lord X is singlehandedly saving the SEGA reputation.

>>9784810
>but this cart looks like cheap chinashit
It is, but it works and it has literally everything you want. I don't see the issue?

>>9784816
Nah he's a retarded shill, all his "reviews" sound like he's just reading bullet points off the back of the box

No wonder he hates mr bones, he just uses a fucking cheat code

>>9784819
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the recommendation, but I also hear other anons warning against using these kinda of carts. Then again I guess using my AR cart is no different. My cartridge slot should probably be fine if I just leave the pseudosaturn cart in the console permanently. Alright, I'll pull the trigger on it. Thanks anon.

>>9784837
t. Joe Reditter

>>9784874
I like and miss Dave but his reviews of games sound like something I would have written in 4th grade.

>>9784914
I don't know why people expect reviews to be good. They're just dudes telling you their impressions on video games, it's like a friend telling you "dude this game is rad!/this game sucks!" but since zoomers don't have friends they have e-celebs now.
The only people who could possibly give good reviews are actual game developers, not journos or youtubers.
That said, yeah Dave was the only good thing out of Game Suck. Just a normal dude who had a normal life and was a chad during high school. Joe always comes off as the creep anti social nerd who somehow managed to land an asian chubby gf who left him and then he degraded himself into simping for Erin, who ended up dating Mike Matei, and Joe just went down the drain. No wonder Chadve left.

>>9784863
Crappy picture but the white cart is a genuine Sega Japanese backup memory cart and the black one is the 4in1 pseudo saturn chink cartridge. The chink pcb is ever so slightly thicker I doubt enough to cause serious damage to the slot pins and the corners are not beveled on either contray to what people say online

>>9784863
Crappy picture but the white cart is a genuine Sega Japanese backup memory cart and the black one is the 4in1 pseudo saturn chink cartridge. The chink pcb is ever so slightly thicker I doubt enough to cause serious damage to the slot pins and the corners are not beveled on either contray to what people say online

>>9784931
Thanks for the photo. I can't even really see the difference in thickness between the two. Anyways, the entire point of me buying the pseudosaturn is to have everything in one cart so that I don't ever have to change carts, so even if it's a few microns too thick I can't imagine it becoming a problem. Those are some nice games you got in the background there btw.

>>9759945
remember that burning discs slowly isnt inherently better, burn your discs at the speed your discs are rated for or they will fuck up

people need to stop repeating this retardation about slow burn speeds

Fighting Daytona car

Fighting Daytona car

>>9783334
Second follow up. Bought a Chinese £9 RGB SCART c-sync cable off eBay and it works and looks awesome. Thought about buying one from those boutique retro gaming cable stores but £30+shipping for a scart lead seemed insane.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>9782173
fighting vipers
sonic jam
tomb raider
wipeout

>>9787648
Aside from fighting vipers, the Saturn versions of those games aren't ideal

>>9788042
What's wrong with Sonic Jam?

>>9788683
Bad audio

Those of you who emulate Saturn, what's your preferred controller for emulation (besides the original with an adapter)? I have the Retro-Bit Saturn and Genesis USB pads, but the D-Pad on the Genesis one felt awful, and the shoulder buttons on the Saturn one don't register sometimes. I still have my old Genesis controllers from back in the day, so I swapped one of their D-Pads into the Retro-Bit one and now it feels fantastic, but I was wondering if there are any good options that don't require tinkering to get a satsifactory result. Or should I just take the adapter pill?

>>9788831
SLS Saturn pad or original Saturn pad with a usb converter.

>>9784659
That happens in Linda Cube Kanzenban if you use a special move or have a special attribute on your weapon. My friend said it's the system loading up the sound.

>>9788042
I don't care those are the ones I played as a kid and were fun.

>>9789752
Based

>>9782181
>>9782681
>>9783465
Dynamite Deka/Die Hard Arcade plays QTE prompts based on the region of your console, not the region of the disc itself. If you're playing the game on a US or PAL (lol) console the prompts will be in English.

There is a fan patched version that does the opposite (changes the game to display English prompts on Japanese consoles) if that's something you need. Buying physical Saturn games in 3+2000+20 is full retard, just get a PSK cart or an ODE.

>>9788756
>Bad audio

Wrong. There is nothing wrong with the audio other than the tracks being recorded (so they have to restart whenever they change, like with invincibility).

>>9788042
Tomb Raider is a wash (PS1 version has a better framerate, Saturn version has a better draw distance, better controller, and no texture warping). WipEout looks a little better on the PS1 (but the soundtrack isn't as good due to most of the songs in the PS1 version being from bands Sony Music controlled), but it's still fine.

I wish newfag secondaries who don't know anything about this console would go and stay go.

>>9788831
> Emulating the Saturn

Honestly anon just get a real one. You can get Japanese Saturns in excellent condition shipped to the US for like $99. You can pay $40 for a PSK cart and then $10 for a stack of CDRs and have the entire console and its library playable on native hardware for only $150 instead of having to deal with Saturn emulation (it's ok, but it's nowhere near perfect).

To answer your question though, get an original model 2 controller and a USB converter. The Retrobit ones are ok (the newer versions anyway, the older ones apparently had a shitload of QC issues), but the original controller is the best.