/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263#p9611406

VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
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=== NEWS ===
[3-10] MM8BDM updated
https://cutstuff.net/forum/index.php?topic=11983.0

[3-8] New GZDoom shooter, Captain Wayne - Vacation Desperation demo released
https://ciaran-games.itch.io/wayne

[3-7] Duke 2008 model leaked
https://rentry.org/x0r_jmp

[3-4] Alkaline 1.2 released
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/alkaline.62/

[3-1] DBP57: Shatter Realm is out
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3116/

[2-28] LunchLunch releases a new map
https://doomer.boards.net/thread/3115/

[2-28] DNF Restoration status update
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dnf2001-restoration-project/news/february-2023-development-update

[2-27] New build of Half-Life for Dreamcast leaked
https://twitter.com/CombyLaurent1/status/1630108636931301376

[2-27] Version 1.3 of Temporal Tantrum released
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qwlqXqy_1eJdq9jTVCpbunVA2lEujwVW

[2-26] Doom 64-style map for GZDoom
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134184

[2-23] Operation Pegasus released for macenwolf
https://www.moddb.com/mods/macenwolf/news/peg-horse

[2-23] Obsidian v20 stable released, adding support for Wolf3d/SoD/Chex/Hacx/Hexen/Strife
https://github.com/obsidian-level-maker/Obsidian/releases/tag/Obsidian-v20-20230223

[2-22] Half-Life RTX Released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCZTxzW6A0

[2-21] Anon shares his VR2 map
https://tempfile.io/en/vMX5B7F6esHQpVv/file

[2-20] Stickguy in Doom Redux released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=77301

[2-18] LitDoom updated to 0.595a
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=68573

[2-17] Update on Duke Nukem Forever Director's Cut
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dnfdx/news/dnfdx-valentines-day-2023-update

=== PREVIOUS ===
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TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST

FIRST

>>9737956
>retarded lift saturday
pretty fitting for your usual Serious Business Saturday

What's your take on Return to Na Pali? I feel a little burned out after finishing Unreal and I'm not really sure whether to play it or not.

>>9737956
Monsters called, extremely coming
I didn't know I clicked on the monster girl general by mistake

>>9737971
>Retarded Lift
That's pretty much every other lift in most Doom and Quake mods.

>>9737987
I keep noclip bound to a key because life's too short to spend at the bottom of elevators

>>9737987
>You now remember the giant unpegged lift texture in MAP29 of 400 Minutes of /vr/

>>9737827
One of the maps in the Nyarlathotep set (Though I may be mistaken, I played it a long time ago)
https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/nyarlathotep.html
Not the one in space or the one where you climb up very long - I remember the one with the archshambler starts in a large pool of blood with a lot of action right away, the enemy looks just like the shambler but with black fur and yellow flame effects

>>9737921
>reveal the character faces but make them handsome as hell, especially Daedolon
110% okay with this. Is this the same artist as pic related? I love their work.
>>9737973
I thought it was fine but it's been awhile. The new weapon and enemies were weird and the male player voice is way worse than the female one.
>I feel a little burned out after finishing Unreal and I'm not really sure whether to play it or not.
I'd take a break, even if the expac is amazing. There's enough old shooter content where you can find something you really want to play that won't make you feel burnt.

>>9738018
Is there anything more satisfying than gibbing a crowd of enemies in Quake? Shame it's so rare.

>>9735679
I will now coom to your game.
tfw Paul Steed published a book about how to model low poly sexy shit https://ricardocasarino.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/paul-steed-wordware-modeling-character-in-3ds-max-2002.pdf

Why is Catacomb 3D forgotten unlike Wolf 3D?

So how is the Ironwail source port?
I've been having a few issues with newer Quake maps chugging a little with Quakespasm here and there, but from what I hear Ironwail somehow optimizes things.

>>9738123
Wolf 3D is more catchy in its graphics and sound design and maybe some people thought it was an RPG and just avoided it

>>9738119
>tfw Paul Steed published a book about how to model low poly sexy shit
Unironically it's a great book and is still largely applicable to Blender. Granted, you should familiarize yourself with Blender first so you aren't accidentally doing something manually that Blender can just do for you.
>>9738132
Ironwail is extremely optimized and updated with CSQC and other modern stuff, though if you have a weaker CPU but a relatively modern video card, you may want to try vkQuake instead. Either is significantly, objectively superior to Quakespasm, and I'm kinda baffled that people are still using it.

did TNT and Plutonia have infinite explosion height still?

>>9738171
yes

>>9738172
ty fren

>>9738152
Well, looks like I'm sticking to Quakespasm anyway since Ironwail gives some error about a vertex shader failing to compile and won't run.
I admitted play on a toaster so that could be the problem I guess.

>>9738212
You need to have Opengl 4.3 to get Ironwail to run

Finished Shadow Warrior, excellent game overall that does a lot of thing better then both Duke and Blood but falls short in others, I do wish Wang wasn't so jokey but he's still cool and it's insane what they did with the Build engine.
>>9737921
I always found it weird they both had horned helms.

You guys have Return to Castle Wolfenstein in the archives?
I have to reinstall RtCW but if the port just needs the pak files I didn't want to go through the trouble of reinstalling the game again.
Anyone got that image of Blaz holding a beer stein?

>>9738287
It's on gog, isn't it?

>>9738287
The links in the OP don't have RtCW, but as >>9738291 said, you can find it on gog. Here you go.

Just give wolfenstein back to id already

>>9738291
I downloaded some isos from archive.org, fiddled around with the settings with the port and I ended botching something up.
Have to mess with the registry and reinstall, was hoping you guys had it on hand in the archives and I just overlooked it.

>>9738302
Thanks, man.

>>9737973
I love unreal, but I don't care for return to na pali.
It doesn't do anything better than the original campaign, and the only memorable fight is against the humans.

Would anyone find use for a DSDA wad that randomly mirrors corpses?

Sigil 2 when
Untitled Romero's Quake episode when?
Untitled Romero's new FPS when?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/msVqcE6y7aY
i wonder if this could inspire a wad, like having to switch to the chainsaw so a body doesn't slide and get close enough to an archvile
>>9738031
the artist also draws doom weapons as anime girls
he should do the holy water pistol some day
>>9738171
final doom had the exact same mechanic and features as typical doom
i thought one new features was "key locked switches" or something
>>9738360
blackroom 2

>>9738360
Kekkr 3

What could have been
https://legacy.3drealms.com/rott/originalspec.html

>>9737973
Half of it's just reused beta levels cleaned up a bit. Shame they didn't reuse the Cryox.

>>9737923
The Psydoom version update isn't news?

>>9738458
>Psydoom
more like psydumb lmao

>>9738458
>2-4
No

redpill me on Timothy Brown

>>9738517
Timothy Brown (alias MArt1And00m3r11339, formerly Martian Doomer) is a Doom level designer who released a huge number of standalone mods and also contributed to a few community projects.

Holy kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4CkWoQ3U10

>>9737973
It reintroduces the arsenal and bestiary much faster than the base game, and better utilizes some of the enemies that didn't get much of a chance to shine the first time. There are three new enemies, two of which are annoying fodder and one of which is criminally underused. Likewise, there are three new weapons, with two of them being good at bypassing enemies who dodge from every other projectile, and one of which is underwhelming. The final boss fight is a joke and can be skipped by simply walking away.

>>9738736
wait a minute, is doom guys hud face from one of the wolfenstein bosses?

>>9738841
No, Wolfmac's new sprites came out after Doom.

>>9738864
oh ok lol. i must stop masterbating ahahhahahah

>>9738152
>Ironwail is extremely optimized and updated with CSQC
>updated with CSQC
Doesn't seem like it judging by how it lacks custom HUD support that Spiked or vkQuake have. Or is it a separate feature that's not a part of CSQC?

>>9737891
>>9737929
Jokes on you, I love Hexen. So I'm taking this as a win.

What did Drake O'Brien mean by this level length?
The 2% armor loss from nukage surrounding the megaarmor bothers my 'tism.

>>9739208
Worst level in TNT

Finnishing up this slog so I can check out either Alkaline v1.2 or the new Dwell episode 2 (with a revamp of the 1st one included) at last . . .

>>9738070
yeah, low res, unfiltered textures, blood effects - it all gives a nice charm to it
>Shame it's so rare
One more reason to give Tronyn's mapsets a try: lot of monster hordes with plenty of rocket ammo so you can blast away and gib to your heart's contents

>>9737923
yholl released the 2.0 update for Rampancy
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=67193

>>9737973
this is better
https://unrealarchives.com/operation-na-pali/

>>9739706
>HD with super cute and quaint voxels
Huggable Destructor

>>9739706
Nice to see more love for lever-action guns in Doom these days.

>>9738521
Wow, this anon has a truly encyclopedic knowledge of doom modders.

>>9739506
I just finally played Dwell E1 for the first time. I dont know if its intentional, but the buildup is fucking genius. The first couple levels I was like, oh, this is all it is? Pretty plain and honestly not very good level design. Then it gradually ramps up until the last couple levels with all this crazy stuff and hundreds of monsters.

>>9739706
what is it? proto-red orchestra?

>>9739751
>voxels
lmao i didn't even notice with 3rd webm

>>9739824
I found it a bit lacking personally despite being so professionally crafted - mainly due to not including any "Scorpion monsters" for the later Egypt-themed levels (either Centroids, the AD ones nicked from Hexen2 - or even MadFox's Chasm-exported Scorpion enemy), but it was still on par with something like DOPA (also most of the last level's secrets were a bit too cryptic to get used on time, IIRC the remade ep1 features a different final level - I'll see if that somehow solves this personal problem of mine)

>>9739827

>>9739889
How many times do you need to kill this chucklefuck for him to stay dead?
I already finished the game, so I know that he's kind of a pushover

>>9739893
This made me experience a whole new emotion.

Played Ashes and Ashes Afterglow and really enjoyed them. Just started DN3D Alien Apocalypse and I find it just dreadful to play. Do people actually like it or was it just some shilling campaign?

>>9739982
I’ve only tried Alien Armageddon. It was kind of fun but also felt real bloated so I only played a few levels. I’ve never heard of Alien Apocalypse.

>>9740012
Oh shit, yeah: Armageddon, not Apocalypse. I don't like the level design either and the RPG elements are honestly kinda annoying.

>>9739982
It's probably "liked" in the same way those shitty kitchen sink mods on GZDoom/Zandronum are. The people who play it just want to see "more, more!" regardless of quality.

>>9740021
Those things plague every modding scene.

>"more, more!" regardless of quality.

>>9738360
>untitled Romero's new FPS when?
Is he developing one?
Would be really cool if true.

>>9739506
It may look like nothing special here onscreen, but this flamer trap actually waves its spray and it's actually a neat effect that should have been utilized more than just once in this entire mod

I think I prefer the first Golden Souls to the 2nd. The long levels are just wearing me down.

>>9740092
I don't remember levels being that much longer. 80% of these levels consisting of instakill pits can fuck right off.

>>9740096
That's probably why it feels longer. The platforming was worse in the first game but there was far less of it.

>>9739902
>You cannot even kill Mr.Sinister unlike how you could get rid of the titular Apocalypse
And him offering even less challenge than the previous boss encounter (mostly due to enviromental hazards) makes this fight pretty underwhelming - and kinda tedious if you decide to use the rocket laucher during it, as he teleports-away right before your missiles can reach him

>>9740089
>>9740101
Using the flamethrower somehow makes this final fight end in seconds without even going half-empty from a full tank (I'm gonna pretend that instead of escaping via teleport BS - Mr.Sinister died here burnt into a crisp, unless if that wasn't his clone at least)

>>9739827
It's Hideous Destructor, I wouldn't care compare it to RO at all. It's its own thing

>>9740112
And after all that's done you come back to the Xavier mansion, but I still have no idea how to unlock the Nightmare difficulty skill ( and yeah I know the command for it but it's just not the same)

>Want more Quake
>See everyone sucking off Dwell on Quaddicted
>Try it out
>It's okay I guess
Maybe I'm spoilt by some of the bigger projects, but it doesn't seem to be as stellar as everyone claims it is.

>>9740042
Good example, that's the poster child of quantity over quality.

>>9737923
vkQuake 1.30.0
https://github.com/Novum/vkQuake/releases
• Support for remastered models (Needs data from remastered Quake)
• Support for dynamic lightmap shadows (requires a ray tracing capable GPU)
• Reworked all option menus
• Support for modern HUD style
• Transparency sorting (thanks @temx)
• Dynamic lights are now computed in world instead of texel space for more consistent light sizes
• New GPU memory allocator
• Improved level load times

>>9740158
I remember some kind of hidden switch in the mansion to unlock Nightmare, but then again, i haven't played that in years.

ok fags tell me the best wolf 3d in doom mods and viceversa

>>9737923
Half-Life MMOD has just released
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1761270/HalfLife_MMod/

>>9739706
glorious

>>9738123
Probably because Wolfenstein 3D saw far wider publication. I've never played Catacomb 3D, so I have no idea what it's like, but one of the appeals of Wolfenstein 3D is that's pretty damn fast paced, it also has more colors.

>>9740172
Quake maps are usually great because of their ability to use architecture in ways Doom can only dream of, and produce interesting scenarios and fights.
Dwell has great looking maps, but then it just throws its hands up and copies the standard Doom megawad thing of locking you in a room with hundreds of monsters rushing you.
I don't doubt for a second that's how id would do it these days, but it doesn't make it good.

>>9740474
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hynUBhvXhY

>>9740487
>but then it just throws its hands up and copies the standard Doom megawad thing of locking you in a room with hundreds of monsters rushing you
For those with slaughter themed maps, perhaps.

need some help anons, making progress with my spooky map and am currently working on a mausoleum "maze" type area.
The problem is I've decided to try using sector colours for each area but I can't quite nail a colour pair (actual colour and fade colour) for the mausoleum.
Picrel is what I'm trying rn; left is lightish teal with dark blue fade, right is a pale purple and dark red fade.
Got any colouring tips?

>>9737956
>shield throw

So now that we have all the missing Doom 64 monsters modeled, is there a mod to put it all together to play with full D64 monsters and weapons in Doom 2?

>>9740309
Whoever thought it was smart to add more headcrabs, often in a way that they can't be avoided, needs to be kicked in the dick

wonder when someone will make an enemy out of this skin
either in a "de in classic doom" style mod or slayer's testaments
>>9740959
i guess there are some mods based on what assets exist
>drpyspy's revenant and arch-vile
>either the metadoom smm or a resized arachnotron
>maybe some of the edits by craneo
meanwhile, the new unused designs are the ones that i don't think anyone else made or is making outside of the gec team
>>9740158
if this xmen mod for quake is that bad, is there any other quake xmen mod that at lies tries to be good?
like an attempt to avenge the assets or make up for their source of origin's quality
>>9740042
i wonder if dbt and his team ever thought of doing something with original ideas instead of other games
i know term and some others said this back in that intermission podcast

Nobody told me GMOTA doomguy weapons felt so fucking good

>>9741140
Well hopefully they'll stay that way after I revamp them.

>>9738287
>>9738309
Check the DOSPACK + Win98 games link. It's in there. Pretty sure it already has the ioRTCW source port configured for it as well.
https://mega.nz/folder/3t8nzSIS#947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqA

>>9739982
>>9740021
Do you mean Alien Armageddon?
I played the first episode when it first released and was amazed by how good the level design was. There wasnt that many custom enemies. Maybe they changed it since then?

>>9741148
Not that anon,does RtCw have map packs? if so, are any good/recommended?

>Custom enemy reacts so fast that i cant grab the invul sphere in "tricks & traps" before it kills me from full health
haha what?

>>9741157
As big of a fan of RTCW I am, I never played many of the map packs even though I've meant to. They all strike me as pretty mediocre at best. I have played some of them through the CO-OP mod before like Devil's Manor or Operation Vorsichtig, which makes it a lot of fun, but I doubt there's anything noteworthy just playing them on your own. Time Gate seems to be the most popular one, though, so I'd say that one maybe.

>>9741102
>wonder when someone will make an enemy out of this skin
It would be tough to properly render it at Doom's resolution.
Changing its shoulder cannons to a railgun would be neat.

>>9741181
Have you tried RealRTCW? currently downloading it to test it out,i admit i only played the game once and it was on the highest difficulty because i am a fucking masochist, just seeing if there is any replay value

>>9740959
There is like 4 of those,pick your poison,i could link or bundle them all in one file
>BrutalDoom64
>Corefier
>DoomVanilla
>Doom Project VOID

>>9741193
Yes, and if you want a suggestion on that, I would suggest playing on an easier difficulty like Don't Hurt Me and then maybe choosing the option to add in more enemies per level through the in-game options so it's more action packed (pic related). RTCW doesn't add more enemies on higher difficulties like Wolf 3D or Doom, but the RealRTCW mod gives you an option to add more in the game options.
Other than that, RealRTCW is essentially the same as RTCW gameplay-wise but with better graphics, new weapons, and some minor balance changes like increased accuracy of your automatics across the board. The hardest difficulties can be brutal unless you have a basic recollection of how each enemy encounter goes, so I'd say they're reserved for the nerds who've already played through the regular game dozens of times like myself. It's a very faithful and well done remaster mod while offering tons of modern customizations that the base game doesn't have. Definitely worth checking out.

>>9740959
>Brutaldoom64 (Only need BD64game)
https://mega.nz/folder/AtsgQL7K#uqIcrVz6KXT5w5dW8DSlww
>Doom64Vanilla
https://tpu540059.itch.io/d64revanilla
>UltimateDoom64fier (Need core,monsters and weapons,randomspawner if you also want neat D64 custom enemies)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RgkTiCZn-Z5fZNKKWRa8C6asVszYqZ8X
>Doom 64 Retribution project Void (Has good and bad custom D64 weapons/enemies so might not be for everyone,i edited my own copy to take the meme monsters/weapons out)
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-64-retribution/addons/doom-64-retribution-project-void-v101

All of these are compatible with doom 1/2

>>9741227
To add
>BrutalDoom64 and Ultimate Doom64fier update almost daily fixing small things and stuff
>Project void has finished and wont get updates i believe
>Doom64Vanilla gets updates every few weeks
there is also this unreleased mod,looking forward for it

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=77270

>>9741225
My only gripes with the game were the nazi bitches camping the second floor stairs forcing you to take damage if you wanted to progress and those enemies with the electric hips, might give it a new run soon with the mod to see how it goes, thank you for the response anon

>>9741250
Yeah definitely, especially the electrical bastards they're pretty unfair. Flamethrower is great against them even though it doesn't deal direct damage (it does in RealRTCW btw). You can just tick them with a plume of a flamethrower fuel and then run away to safety while they burn to death.

Is the anon who made webm related around? I wanted to know how it works.

Why is the wolf 3d pistol so much better than the Doom pistol?

>>9741350
Because it's not a high bar to surpass. The only pistol that's worse than Doom's pistol is the revolver in Redneck Rampage.

>>9741184
There's a railgun revenant that's been around forever. I don't remember who it was made by or what it was intended for, and the only thing I can recall that uses it is Zdoom Wars.

>>9741376
A Shambler Revenant would be neat as well.

>>9741376
What if the railgun rev used bits of its bone as the slugs rounds?

>>9741350
Wolf3D's weapons do more damage up close and enemies are fragile. You also don't have to worry about accuracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVkgxKmHpnQ

>>9741350
doom pistol was made for fighting zombiemen, imps, and 1 shotgunner, maybe 2 if the map wanted to really amp up the difficulty.
and then you would pick up the shotgunner's shotgun and carry on

>>9741376
https://www.realm667.com/en/downloads/beastiary/788-beam-revenant
Here it is, made by Captain Ventris specifically for ZDoom Wars. I was figuring that it was something Eriance would've made early on for Demon Eclipse.

>>9741426
>the player nodding his head with NPC dialogue
Never gets old, not one iota.

>>9741435
The crueler maps make you kill demons with it.

>>9740212
should this look like kex or what?, I don't see any change in the shadows

>>9741426
more like a vhs filter

>>9741227
>i edited my own copy to take the meme monsters/weapons out
Mind sharing it? What did you take out specifically?

exciting

>>9741746
Finally Wolf '09 is getting some love.

>>9741657
Most of the enemies that i found "Ugly" or clashed too hard with the normal D64 enemies and the weapons i deemed 'unnecessary'

You might not like it, i am a picky person, load 1-64DR first and load 2-no meme monsters second in any loader like ZDL

You can see the entire enemy roster on the icon of sin credits, i think i made around half of it not spawn because it triggered me, same with the weapons if you use idkfa

https://www.mediafire.com/file/wb9d27kd6kd4nf8/Project_Void_personal.rar/file

>>9741657
>>9741762
Oh and replaced the ugly imp archviles with flying mini purple mother demon archviles

>>9741343
Yes, I'm here.
It works in MBF21 by adding and removing SHOOTABLE flag.

>>9741850

>>9741851

>>9740959
I think we need outright a new Doom 64 campaign to add the new enemies into.

>>9741818
I didn't even know you could add or remove flags in runtime with MBF21. I assume you used DECOHACK for this?

>>9742110
Yeah. Here, have some decohack code
https://pastebin.com/H4LRmHUs

today i went on the internet and found this
source is @Maurilustrador

>>9737921
>>9738031
I really like the art too, but they don't look like how I imagine them to look so 8/10

>>9742129
What's that demon behind him up to, looking a little touchy feely there

>>9742129
That’s pretty badass!

>>9742118
I'm trying to prototype a Marauder using the Revenant as a base, but it's not attacking. Can you tell me what's going wrong?
And is there no other way to stop hitscan damage than to remove the shootable flag?
https://pastebin.com/b2b3Jm4G

>>9742184
I think SHOOTABLE is the only thing there is to control this kind of things.
I don't really have experience with partially copying/altering states like you seem to do, so I can't help you with that. I always had to write the whole thing from scratch.

>>9742190
It not attacking must have been due to my test map bugging out, because it's working after I made the box a little bigger.
I'll have to think of some other solution than using his shield, probably just make him an outline like the stealth enemies in Ancient Aliens. If I can't stop hitscan damage against him.

>>9742202
Oh yes, if you have just one sector, monsters can't see you, can be this.
SHOOTABLE is what separates monsters and barrels from everything else, it should prevent any attack from connecting (Unfortunately it might let shots through, not quite sure)

>>9742206
Yeah, shots pass through him and he doesn't react. But like I said, I'll just have to get more creative than a big red shield.

>>9740620
anyone?

>>9742209
You can add SHADOW or TRANSLUCENT flags to indicate their spectral status. The latter even fits the Heretic logic.

>>9742282
Shadow wouldn't make sense because you can shoot Spectres. Translucent sorta works, but it's not that big a change from the regular monster. Unless that's just my settings being bad.

>>9742282
wouldn't it be better to add some kind of coloured outline or change their projectile colour if they have one?

I find my playthrough much focused and slower paced than with its iwad progenitor which also seemed to have a tad shorter maps, but who knows, maybe that's how i used to play plutonia back in the day.

Would be a serious shame to leave out "Go 2 It" mashed from a bunch of vr maps for a final release, given admittedly sluggish production.

>>9742368
Make one out of your own map if you must.

>>9742368
I think that'd be a cool thing to do, maybe that's something we could quilt together after I've gotten all of this together, but that's something that'll have to currently remain a hypothetical.
Sorry again for much silence.

Linguica is a tranny chaser

>>9741762
>>9741765
Thanks anon, pretty good changes.

>>9742541
Like the transmission to his car? He driving some weird old model or something and needs a replacement part?

>>9742549
aw you

>>9742541
is that you Nightmare2989?

WTF

>>9741102
>>9741184
I had some ideas of how a Plasma Revenant could work.
You know how the new games' take on soldiers have them shoot plasma and that one orb that stops in mid hair an explodes?
I imagine a Plasma Rev could shoot homing but slow projectiles that "drop" some energy orbs that stay in the air for a while and then explode.
Like a homing missile that drops exploding mines on the air, even if it's a bit slower than a regular homing missile.
And i guess other attacks are just generic Plasma balls being shot and if you kill it, it drops cell ammo.
I think some mod for Eternal even makes it an enemy but it just reuses the acid puddle mechanic from the Cybermanc.
Maybe if someone managed to make good looking sprites out of this skin, it could be a look for that blue rev in Colorfull Hell.

>>9737923
>Duke Nukem Forever Director's Cut
Sorry for being retarded, but what's the difference between this and the Restoration Project?

As great as all the features in Alkaline 1.2 are, my favourite change has to be the one small thing that nobody has brought up yet:
The slipgates change colour to show where you've been so far. It's great, I wish Arcane Dimensions did this, so it would be easier to tell at a glance.

>>9738226
Wait, does that mean as a toaster owner I can't use Ironwail? That sucks.
I keep getting a minor, annoying glitch with flying shadows in some maps and I bet it's entirely on Quakespasm being outdated.

>>9742129
There's something oddly sexual about it.

>>9742549
That lip bite and the body on that female imp gets me kinda aroused. Even though it's not the main focus, it's really nice detail on the lip bite and the very feminine figure of the Imp... mmm...

>>9742541
Well he's a goon innit?
Least surprising "news"

is there anything else like it? i beat the one before and the demo of three. in the mood for a collectathon shooter

>>9741853
>HD player
I'm more of an HD clown myself, getting herps caught on ledges and such

>>9742785
This. I'd also like to know.

>>9743108
For me its Baronesses.

WNW is up. Here's the usual info.
Base game (1.3):
https://github.com/STJr/Kart-Public/releases/tag/v1.3
Custom client:
https://mega.nz/file/ncpRjRYZ#yoVkgXmKNUjdh__jHpmUGgh30J7jlj6RIS8XjbTXKeE
https://gitlab.com/c3851/srb-2-k-cep
Mods list:
https://mega.nz/folder/YA1gEaZI#ORB7j-vSJ9IHaGnJGEQm7g
Anon's PRO TIPS paste:
https://pastebin.com/90aWy0EF

>JOINING THE GAME
From the title screen, go to multiplayer, specify IPV4 address, and enter 51.161.34.159

New files are located in the Update 3-15-2023 folder. The new music pack is complete!

We also have a mumble server up to voice chat with your fellow anons
Address: 51.161.34.159
Port: default
Username: Whatever you want
Password: endoom
>I heard this game supports proximity chat, are we using that?
No.

Which is the biggest step up?
going from wolfenstein to doom? or doom to quake?

>>9743380
Probably Quake because 3D. But both were obviously major innovations.

>>9743380
Wolf to Doom, the added complexity of its comparatively unrestrained levels and more complex enemies and weapons was a gigantic change.

>>9740487
I mostly hate Dwell because it uses Copper.
Copper is such a piece of shit, almost all of the "fixes" are no fun allowed trash that harms the enjoyment of any mapset that uses it.

>>9743649
>Copper is such a piece of shit, almost all of the "fixes" are no fun allowed trash that harms the enjoyment of any mapset that uses it.

I'm going though my yearly Quake playthough now using copper and I dont feel any fuckign difference. Except the laser guys but I dont mind those.

>>9743649
I just hate the 50HP Nightmare that the Night Dive port adopted.

>>9737921
I think it's time.

After all these years shitposting in these threads. It's time for me to do my first playthrough of Doom.

Wish me luck.

>>9743649
Looking at the changes list all of them seem very reasonable and restrained. Care to name some of the ones you don't like?

>>9743696
nice pic of the juggernaut, bitch.

>>9741426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wq6o1s6lPc

>>9742562
>flesh creatures

>>9743696
Stuff like it making ammo packs stingier, some enemies don't even drop ammo now, the Enforcers are now turrets on all difficulties for some idiotic reason, the super nailgun is nerfed for no reason, infighting has been nerfed for reasons only the modder could tell you, the Shambler dance has been fucked with purely because the modder didn't like it so now you either kill a Shambler within two swings or suffer a health tax.
It's just shit all around and the absolute worst way to play Quake. Dwell makes this even worse by highlighting the mods flaws even harder, since most maps and encounters seem bent on rubbing all the downgrades in your face.

IMAGINE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9n_TkFIttk

>>9743779
>Stuff like it making ammo packs stingier, some enemies don't even drop ammo now,
A complete non-issue if you're playing a mapset that was designed for the mod
>the Enforcers are now turrets on all difficulties for some idiotic reason
They're actual threats now instead of firing one salvo and dying
>the super nailgun is nerfed for no reason
It becomes even better at close range while the normal nailgun is better at long range, giving it an actual purpose when the player has both
>infighting has been nerfed for reasons only the modder could tell you
This is the only questionable change so far and the only one Lunaran didn't actually bother explaining
>the Shambler dance has been fucked with purely because the modder didn't like it so now you either kill a Shambler within two swings or suffer a health tax.
webm related
>It's just shit all around and the absolute worst way to play Quake.
I've seen you complain about it before in these threads and didn't think much of it, but after playing it myself and actually seeing the changes first hand, I think your issues stem from either you sucking or not bothering to read the mostly-comprehensive changelog on the website that hosts it

>>9743827
Not that anon, but the real issue is that Copper is advertized as a "vanilla+" "improvement" over base Quake. Fixing undisputable bugs, adding mapping features, and making co-op a less painful experience is all great in that context. Changing how weapons work, how AI behaves, and how an entire difficulty mode plays is not.

>>9743170
The first rule of HD is to have fun.

>>9743170
I dont know why but playing with mouselook in doom makes me dizzy, thats why i tend to avoid mods that add weapon recoil (pressing end to center aim again is not fun) or maps that need aimlook

>>9743898
>playing with mouselook in doom makes me dizzy
Are you playing with software mode or with hardware mode? Because free mouselook in software mode is not perspective correct and it can get pretty fucking screwy to look at.

>>9743885
What the fuck even are Babuins? What are they made of? How is Babuin formed?

>>9743696
Not him but making ogres drop just 1 rocket is really lame. It reeks of "but what if the player gets too many rockets, i better step in and fix this since id didn't". God forbid the player have too much fun and feel powerful.

Dwell E2 is amazing though.

I find it strange that the Quake community seems to have a much lower standard of giving credit than Doom modders. They often use textures from all sorts of sources without any credit.

>>9743170
I fall into the "clown" category. And the rest of my squad is the circus

>>9743885
Babuins are built different

>>9741238
>https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=77270

Wow - the models do look awesome relative to the game's established style.

>>9743296
replays:
https://files.catbox.moe/h19udb.zip

>>9743861
You would have a point if vanilla NM didn't turn all monsters into easily exploitable turrets. I'd much rather have 50 HP cap with normal monsters. I guess the only improvement that could be done at this point is to try to make monsters more aggressive, but not to the point they become turrets.

>>9743649
I almost like Copper (especially how the RoS works in it) but the "NO ammo gain from Enforcers instead of just reducing it to 2cells" is pure retardation done only to make the reworked Shaft feel even more precious via severely limited ammo availability

>>9737921
so what about the map that has taken doomworld by storm?
did any of you guys played it?
it's a bit mazey for my taste, but I understand its merits
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134292

it's the .pk3 from here
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1IdH20R6bPg_Sp2Htu0Z-u_wP2AbKoaBz

>>9743704
the costume maker had to be a quakefag

>>9743827
Not that anon, I have mixed feelings about the changes, but acting like Copper is a complete upgrade is nonsense.
Arcane Dimensions and Alkaline made some really neat changes to how some enemies and weapons work, meanwhile Copper does some great stuff one moment and then decides to put in something inexplicable and worse the next. It's not completely horrible and unplayable, but so far it's my least favourite way to play the game.

>>9744628
>It's just an old myhouse.wad from years back
>It's literally called myhouse.wad
Is there some hidden brilliance in here, or something? The backstory is touching, but people calling for this to be a Cacoward winner is a bit much.
That said, some absolute stinkers focused purely on being obnoxious for the sake of it get Cacos these days, so maybe a cute tribute map to a long gone friend might be a nice thing to see in the awards.

>>9744686
>Is there some hidden brilliance in here, or something?
There’s something about mirrors and multiple endings or it could just be everyone in on a joke, I’ll try it later this evening

>>9744686
be advised that the author provided 2 files:
the .wad allegedly is the map made by his passed-away friend
the .pk3 is the real deal, it starts with the house and lead you to a rabbit hole made of alternate realities, item hunting, custom monsters and so on..

>>9743827
>I've seen you complain about it before in these threads
Actually, this is the first time I've said anything about disliking the mod on these threads.
It just goes to show that I'm not alone in disliking Copper and all its unnecessary bullshit.
>>9744540
Okay I'll admit the Ring of Shadows change was pretty good. It turned a useless powerup into a better version of Doom's blursphere.

>>9743672
I wasn’t too disappointed or excited about its changes. I liked the shotgun hitscans not getting stopped by dead bodies though, and felt the super nail gun’s change was more stylistic than anything. Underdark Overbright was also fun.
It’s dislike here is impressive. Ranting against it and drama cliques are the most notable Quake discussions I’ve seen around here the past few months, aside from VR-anon helping people out and showing progress.

>>9744628
>The journal you download the map from
This is some really neat 4th wall ARG shit for some creepypasta "evil map".

>>9743827
Nerfing the Super Nailgun alone is a criminal act.

>>9744024
But now they also drop that rocket even if you gib them, so that gives you more ammo than vanilla. At this point it reeks of change for the sake of change.
>>9743696
I think changes should be extremely important to be justified, Copper's mostly just throw the player off (and they're aware of this - the readme says if you use it for a mod please keep all the changes to avoid more confusion, the hypocrisy, and pic related reads like this is a gift from the Gods fixing id's idiocy).
The enemies that have changed significantly (enforcers, perhaps ogres) should be different versions with different skins.
I don't like anything that messes with the combat. The infighting changes are bullshit, now if two retarded monsters fail to hit each other for 15 seconds will turn against you without warning (why don't they disengage ME when they can't hit me for 15 seconds?)
Nightmare skill, coop changes, the ring of shadows are all OK.
If you have a problem with something being too easy, you fix that through level design, not by messing with core mechanics.

>>9744893
More like COPE-er? Am I right?
But yeah, it's not the worst thing ever but I'm not a fan of it either.

>>9744386
>all monsters into easily exploitable turrets
How 'exploitable' they are is extremely dependant on the map and their positioning. The sheer number of ogres bottlenecking narrow hallways makes the difficulty change a net positive, and that's before accounting for things like fiends becoming absolute wrecking balls with no cooldown between jumps.
Regardless, something akin to fast monsters (actual monster think rate, not just firing cooldown) would be a much better nightmare change than gimping player health.

>>9743885
Agreed

>>9744994

>>9744893
He's not wrong. Quake's development was not the smoothest thing, and was cobbled together and them falling back on what they knew and did with Wolf 3D and Doom.

>>9741238
>the terraformer
>not the sixtyfourmer
one job

>>9745046
Isn't it amazing how well it turned out, considering?
It's easily less popular than Doom, but there are still great fan projects out there. Shame the mapping community seems to have been taken over by a bunch of egotistical kids, but good stuff is still released.

>>9745114
Oh yeah it is amazing that Quake 1 turned out as well as it did. But it (and to a lesser degree Quake 2) broke id.

>>9744994
>these panicking imps

>>9741238
I'm looking forward to that project. I'd tell him that on the forum thee but my account was locked and I don't feel like jumping through hoops to get it back.
>>9745053
B...but the map name...

>>9745053
we prefer the terrorformer

>>9744994
>>9744996
>them SSGs
mind telling what`s the sprite pack, anon? i`ve been using the RLA pack, but the bronthornis in it is really scuffed, and it`s rare to find packs that use foreskin gloves to go with addons.
god i miss potetobloke`s guns already.

>>9745347
That SSG and pickup sprite is from Seperated Arms, I think I’ve also seen it from the DRLA pack since it has a billion of them

>>9745382
i see, thanks anon.

>>9745382
>>9745386
Also I didn’t mean to say “DRLA pack”, just DRLA. I frequently use that mod as a resource for sprite swaps.

PANIC

>>9745445
WAD?

>>9745347
>spoiler
I was gonna say it's back, but Poteto's last update is from September, and it doesn't load with current HD sadly. I don't know if anyone's patched it.

The other anon is right, it's Separated Arms.

>>9745446
myhouse.pk3

>>9745457
Well shit, this screenshot just convinced me to play it. Thanks.

>>9745347
>>9745454
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462331550768431104/1069141922616180796/PB-Mohl_HDAddon_WeaponPack_4.8.2a_RC2a_Bootleg.pk3
did some digging through the discord to find this, launches fine with latest HD main

>>9745520
>Try this before making my post
>It didn't work, thus I said "doesn't load"
>Try this after your post
>It works but with warnings

?????????????????????????????????
What are computers

>>9745528
Oh nevermind, it's a bootleg of the one I downloaded first. Thank god I'm not crazy

Thanks btw

>>9745520
holy shit it actually works. you are a damn lifesaver, anon.
life just ain`t the same without a devincenzia in the spawn pool.

I got a fancy new computer for the first time ever and the first thing I did was run Doom 2 on it. Deus vult

>>9745594
Nice, which source port?

>>9745520
Been away for a good year or so, we have a discord now? Fuckin sick
>also these captchas are unreadable wtf

>>9745557
>googling devincenzia reveals that it and brontornis are extinct birds
That’s cool

>>9745601
Just gzDoom while I'm looking at other ports. Chocolate Doom any good? The closer to vanilla the better for me, especially if there's an option for pistolstarts.

>>9743885

All this talk about Dwell and Copper got me to try it out in between playing Alkaline
I don't see the issue with Copper, it seems to change very little. Dwell itself is probably too hard for me though, at least in Episode 1. My fault for being arrogant and choosing hard mode though, I just assumed the mapset would have the usual Quake difficulty of challenging but (compared to Doom) pretty easy in general.
Supposedly Episode 2 is even better, so i'l have to see how that goes.

>>9745602
The HD community has a discord. /doom/ does not, or at least not any general purpose one.

>>9743885
Never really got into HD, is it viable to make dedicated maps for it? Or for any other gameplay mod for that sake

>>9743885
"Fun" processed and launched

>>9745457
Yep, this is cacoward material for sure.

>>9745789
It's viable in that a few people have done it and support exists in HD to do so (big list of doomednums for placing specific items, including stuff like pre-deployed ladders and tripwire traps). So far though, the maps made specifically for HD haven't been especially great and the best maps to play are just good Doom maps. It's probably a better idea to just make a Doom map and take HD into consideration as you go. You can do some neat stuff like hiding HD items in cubbies that can't be opened via any linedef, but could be broken into in HD, or having alternate paths that are only accessible with HD's vertical mobility options such as playing dead to crawl through a space too small for crouching, mantling or using a ladder to ascend, or even the jetpack.

>>9737921
Is it even possible to make an account on the zdoom forums anymore. I keep filling out everything but getting a "solution isn't correct" even though there's nothing else left on the page.
The only thing I can find relating to this funnily enough is an unironic tranny admin shooting down anyone critiquing that fact. Even bashing Kinsie of all people who wasn't even instigating anything.

Making a Doom map using Quake textures, I think it looks great. Wish I could get a 2 layered scrolling sky like Quake. I am using Gzdoom UDMF.

>>9745903
>Wish I could get a 2 layered scrolling sky like Quake
Maybe through the udmf 3d skybox mode? The one that makes a seperate dummy sector/room into a 3d skybox like in the source engine games.
But that would utilize a lot of fuckery and seperate textures for the two layers

>>9745903
>>9745909

>perfect dark decompiled like 4 months ago
>No source port yet
>Not even anything announced to actually even being worked on

>>9745913
I got it to work. I made a 3d floor inside the skybox room and it works. Maybe I will add a stars texture above the scrolling clouds.

https://ufile.io/73k07h8c
Another revision of cqb, or rather cqr as it'll end up being, as I couldn't think of any better names.

-All of the map's lights that are represented as coming from a light texture have been changed to colored lighting. It's a subtle, sickly blue that I think goes well with the texturing and visibility levels.
-Removed the melee shambler in the arena fight on the right-side path, as I've finally decided that it's too overkill even with the power shield.
-The recent arguments about Copper here made me realize that people don't like when an enemy looks the same but acts different, so the few instances of Z-aware ogres have been replaced with their flak-firing replacements. Their black apron fits a bit better with the runic theme and they still mostly fill the role I want them to.
-More detailing. At this point I'm just filling in any barren spaces that were previously comprised of metal05_7, I've ran out of ideas for what to do with what's left, but I suppose not everything needs to look fancy.

Unless some major error is discovered, this'll probably be the last version. It certainly feels like finishing a map of this scope took much longer than it should have, and if VR2 is being put on some indefinite hiatus for more polishing and potential submission, I don't know if I'd be able to squeeze in another. If you're underageb&, here's some advice: Enjoy your time while you've got it, because the hours I'm able to set aside for mapping is scarce.

>>9743150
Treasure Tech

>>9745903
Look at Dimension Of The Boomed, he got a lot of cool effects and visuals in Doom without even using gzdoom

>>9745936
might be that everyone is content with 1964 and see no need for a sourceport

>>9745936
Yes, shockingly, the pool of people that have the coding knowledge necessary to create a source port, interest in that game high enough, and enough free time is quite small.

I'm really digging the level design of maps in Marathon, especially when they start using 5D space.

>>9745789
Oblige (or Obsidian since that's where all the active development is now) with settings that would be baby difficulty by doom standards can make ok maps for HD gameplay, iirc there are a couple settings that make oblige maps jump+crouch friendly
>Or for any other gameplay mod
There are a couple maps for supercharge. Like any zdoom maps their quality has ups and downs but Mapwich is good

Am at Blast Pit in HL1... Does it get better?
>Enemies just stand around doing the same attack over and over
>Levels are completely linear with uninteresting puzzles
>Ammo is scarce enough that you barely have any choice
>Human enemies might be interesting but are always in terrible arenas with no choice
Is it just a story game with mediocre 90s influenced fights?

>>9746083
yawn

>>9745808
That's the bad ending.

>>9746086
??

>>9746106
don't care about bait

>>9746092
I'm on my third playthrough now.

>>9745445

>>9746108
>theres simply no way anybody on the retro shooter general could dislike linear theme park ride level design

>>9746149
are you the same faggot that made this thread?
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9737631/#9737631
let it go dude, this obsession is not healthy

>>9742129
I hate it. It's like one of lazy flash-like porn animations.

>>9746225
I didn't want to say it, but I see it too.

>>9746023
Yet there's ANOTHER new Quake source port released. And I'm sure another 4 Dook source ports will be released this year. Because 20 isn't enough.

>>9746225
It's called tweening. I don't know why it triggers such a primal revulsion, but it does

>>9746225
>>9742129
this, feels like someone is gonna pull out a cock any second.

>>9746120
I don't know what to say except damn.

>>9746316
Die at any point in the map and wait. After about a minute, you'll respawn in the Hospital. Find the Room Key here, then access the room with the flatlined patient. An emergency switch on the wall will spawn you in the location you died in, with refilled health.

>>9746350
Wow.
What a terrible day for me to be a save-scummer.

>>9746350
Stepping on the exit teleporter behind the blue-locked gate will take you to Underhalls. Exiting Underhalls will then take you back to My House. The super shotgun is intended to be found in Underhalls and then brought back.

If the exit teleporter behind the garden gate is ever taken while in the mirror reality, you will end up in sllahrednU, a mirrored version of Underhalls.

OH N-

>>9746409
How do you end up in that room?

>>9746442
Try noclipping around. This works in sllahrednU, too.

>>9746409
>>9746445
I'm newfag which mod 2 play

>>9746471
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134292-myhousewad/
Go in blind.

>>9746234
I think they are decompiling all perfect dark roms first
at least goldeneye-x revived

>>9745635
gr8 port if you don't mind 320x200 35fps gameplay and the occasional visplane overflow. for pistol starts just idclev. i use chocolate and dsda doom for software rendering styled opengl

>>9745635
Most popular maps aren't strictly vanilla, they're boom. Chocolate and crispy doom will have game breaking softlocks if you try to run boom maps so use prBoom if you want something minimalist or DSDADoom for better menu and quality of life

Speaking of source ports, Is there any actual meaningful, user-facing difference between woof and DSDA doom besides woof being locked to 640x400 software rendering, and DSDA-doom having speedrunning shit built in?

>>9746225
i happened across it while studying how to make lazy porn animation

>>9746883
dsda has health bars over enemies and a more customizable fullscreen hud
woof has brightmaps, swirly fluids, an optional fix for the blockmap bug and a neat system for replacing GRNROCK in non-widescreen statusbars
nugget extends woof by adding qol options like fov, decoupled bobbing settings and you can even disable "infinitely tall" monsters (if that's your thing)

>>9746950
Nugget also displays at a higher resolution than Woof.

>>9746953
hmm.. no?
right now it supports 320x200 and 640x400
in the future they might add 1280x800 support (taken from inter-doom)

>>9744893
I also like that drowning in Copper no longer damages your armour unlike vanillaQ1

>>9742129
>jigglebones
. . . should I be scared?

>>9745685
what is this exactly, quake 1 spasm mod? i am a bit new.

>>9747067
Seems good for Quakespasm, Vkquake, and Ironwail.

>>9746893
Well if you are going to use it, at least make some more keyframes for the tweens to head change into so it can standout a little, tweening with just one frame gets boring after a while.

>someone got accused of being a pedo
what what what?

>>9747127
off-topic,.If you really must, ask/dig around doomer boards
>>9745942
Nice anon, good luck with the map. I wish there was a demo compatible level format with features being a middle ground between udmf and mbf21 so you wouldn't be forced to gzdoom for tricks like this

>>9747089
those are source-ports and that is a wad map?

>>9747140
Pretty much yeah.

>>9747127
Are you talking about Marisa? I can't say I'm surprised. Still, that was pretty sudden.

>>9747270
The full situation is too complex for a one-line ban reason to describe. I think some communities saw an easy way to be rid of a troublesome person and took it. I don't disagree with her removal, but I wish the defamation could've been avoided.

>>9747237
what is this awesome map i am seeing?!

>>9747089
>>9747140
As someone playing Dwell with Quakespasm, I'd recommend against using Quakespasm.
I'm getting a bunch of minor but annoying visual glitches involving floating shadows and weird lighting. If my machine was better I'd be using Ironwail, but I'm currently stuck with a cheap laptop so I'm just using what I can. Quake is Quake.

>>9747270
Huh. That's a real shame, they seemed nice whenever I spoke to them.

>>9747140
Quakespasm, vkquake and Ironwail are source ports.
The image you asked about is a level in the mod "Dwell", which is basically a fanmade series of extra Episodes for Quake.
If you want to start using mods for Quake, I'd recommend getting one of the above sourceports and trying out Arcane Dimensions. AD is widely regarded as the best of the best when it comes to Quake mods, and if you're hungry for more after beating all those maps you can check out projects like Alkaline, Dwell and all the various mapping Jams the community do.

>>9747467
That's from Alkaline, and it's up there in the news post:
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/alkaline.62/

>>9745457
the journal in the google drive folder makes me think that House of Leaves was a heavy inspiration for whatever this is

>>9743150
Hocus Pocus Doom

>>9747593
yeah i'm dumb, i just saw >>9745808

>>9747576
God I love Alkaline.
I seriously think it's second only to Arcane Dimensions. With a tiny bit more polish and a few more high quality maps it might even reach the same level, given a few more years of updates.
Too many Quake maps these days are utter slogs to get through, and you get the impression the mapper would rather be working on Doom instead from the sheer number of enemies getting spat out at all times. Alkaline for the most part doesn't do that, or if it does throws tons of the weaker enemies that are more fun to kill your way.
It's just some seriously good food.

do shihong`s stances have any sort of passive effects when chosen? i swear i read somewhere at some point that they do, but whoever wrote it may have misinterpreted the mechanics.
>inb4 minmaxing in a doom mod

Quake should have made Doom obsolete

>>9747775
Except it is inferior to Doom.

>>9747790
nope

>>9747798
Not him, but it kind of is.
If I want to play Quake I need to use Arcane Dimensions or maybe Alkaline to really have a good time with it.
Doom on the other hand doesn't really need any mods to be great.

>>9747775
It did for some years, then the MP for Quake died and people remembered how fun the gameplay of Doom was and how easy it is to make 2.5D levels.

>>9747819
vanilla doom was never good

>>9747775
Should have, but didn't.
In another timeline, when Quake wasn't a bizarre mash of a failed RPG, Sandy Petersen's Lovecraft obsession and a basic FPS it probably would have.
It's still much better than it has any right to be considering how every game in the franchise is basically cursed to always be a shadow of what it could have been and massive dev fuck ups.

>>9747775
quake is ugly as fuck compared to doom.
then again, quake is ugly as fuck compared to most things in the world.

>>9747775
People didn't care about SP Quake until very recently, back then Duke Nukem 3D mogged Quake for people who were into SP FPS campaigns

>>9747846
Vanilla Quake? Sure. It's all grey and brown castles with graphics barely any better than Super Mario 64, which makes sense because they released at the same time.
Mods have proven that it can look pretty fucking amazing with some effort though, while retaining that pleasing chunky look to it.

>>9747848
yeah people were plebs with no taste or skill

>>9747848
I used to love Duke 3D.
But for some reason I can't stand the build engine these days. Hitscanners somehow feel extra unfair in them and the combat just never feels that satisfying. If I ever play Duke I just quit after a single level at this point.
On the other hand, I've grown to love Doom and Quake even more as time has passed.

No idea if this was mentioned before but AD seems to mess up lighting in custom maps made before it (this is from Terra6 and it defo wasn't supposed to be totally pitch-black as seen here)

>>9747775
In parts that mattered it did.
It's just that its reign was short thanks to Quake 2 and Unreal.

play indie fps

What's a good Doom wad for someone who doesn't like Doom?

>>9748001
>>9748002
Back to /v/ with you.

>>9747679
Melee attacks are slightly stronger in the melee one, same for gun attacks in the gun stance. Movement is more floaty in the purple one.

>>9745635
I want to suggest Woof!, it's overall close to Vanilla by default, but can also play a lot of the cool level sets made in Boom and MBF21.

It also allows for a few little optional niceties, like recoloring the blood splatters for the knight, baron, and caco, or faux "Brightmaps", which make certain parts of some textures and sprites to glow in the dark, which honestly looks sick as fuck even with the original screen resolution and rendering.
.webm related shows it in action, together with an optional mod which makes weapon animations smoother.

However you feel, a worthwhile mod to put in autoload even for a purist would be the Spritefix one, which fixes a few stray pixels on some frames, adds the missing rotations for the zombies, and adjusts a few of the sloppy sprite offsets so the animations are lined up as originally intended, and so on.

>>9748018
NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PLAY AAA SLOP LIKE DOOM AND QUAKE

>>9748001
Waiting for Midnight Guns to come out.
>>9748002
Nimrod, RTC-3057, Space Station Omega
Sitters' Risen3D maps

>>9748039
Back to /v/ with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MO3GxoNm8o
https://github.com/andrei-drexler/ironwail
New Ironwail just dropped

>>9747840
GTFO then, if you think that.

Quake still is superior

>>9748036
Brightmaps are so cool, but it's a shame that texture packs hardly ever support them.

>>9748075
*Quakeworld

>>9748071
holy shit, it finally happen! New Ironwhale!

>>9748071
This all sounds amazing. Shame I'm on a shitty old computer and and stuck with good ol' Quakespasm.

>>9748124
does your pc by any chance have an AMD card?

>>9748167
Yeah, and a no longer supported one at that.

>>9748034
oh damn, and i figured it was just placebo, but i guess it makes sense. thanks.

>>9748174
if it's An amd Radeon HD from 7500/7600 they just did an test build to fix a bug, it will probably come out soon, to see if it works.

>>9748124
How old is it? If it's from around 2010-2011 you should be able to run Ironwail.

>>9747127
Someone was 'e-dating' a guy who was allegedly 17 while they themselves were 26. Pretty fucking seedy, but not quite the crime some people would want you to imagine. Said 17 year old also is apparently incredibly shady and creepy, 'boasting' with CP and shit at the time, so I'm willing to bet that relation wasn't just a one-way street.

>>9747413
Y'know, Marisa is sometimes really socially awkward in an almost annoying sense, but I also agree with you in part, they obviously were looking for a convenient excuse, like with Impie. There's genuinely worse shit than this, many of the guys at the top of these cliques are unbelievably two-faced, some are guilty of comparable or even more severe shit (and with a fraction of the modding talent, to boot). As far as shameful crimes go, this one's bad, but not one I'd call unforgivable either.

>>9748075
Subjective, yet very reasonable opinion.

>>9748195
It's a budget laptop from around 2015 with (as far as I can tell) fucked up graphics drivers.
I'm planning on getting a new machine soon so it won't be an issue, but I won't risk installing the most recent OpenGL (which I need because Ironwail refuses to run without it) because it might fuck things up. I already have no idea how this piece of shit is still running.

What's the best way to remove unmodified iwad resources from a WAD? Is it possible to modify the source of a patch in Slade's texture editor from the pwad to the iwad, or do I have to fiddle with the pixels on each patch until they're different enough?

>>9748314
>What's the best way to remove unmodified iwad resources from a WAD?
Anchive->Maintenance->Remove resources duplicated from IWAD

>>9747043
Not only it does not damage armor, you get most of your health back when you resurface. That's cool. But in typical Copper fashion, there's an overcomplicated mechanic where if you don't stay enough time above water (how long? who knows!) you'll choke faster and harder.

>>9747645
I which they would tone down the remade and updated maps and instead added new ones. It's very good but the updates feel somewhat disappointing when I recognize most of the "added" maps. Also I know "base" is the gimmick of the mod but the roboscargs and robovore always get me.

do the gzdoom/zdoom conversions improve wolf 3d and rott?

>>9748224
>17
Oh, so its nothing.
Still, that marisa person (no clue what their gender is) was very happy to play PC police harassing people and encouraging mods to ban them, so im not sad to see them get shunned themselves.

>>9748224
>Marisa is sometimes really socially awkward in an almost annoying sense
More than that, her inability to control herself makes her a plain hazard in communities with underage users. That she wasn't kicked out of places prior to hard actionable evidence is basically entirely owed to her prestige and output as a modder.

>>9748403
Wolf3D TC I suppose is the only way to play the game in multiplayer, none of the source ports have netcode that I know of. The levels in the ROTT TC are really nice, but being able to carry all the guns at the same time makes it a very different gameplay experience from the original, and it has some quirks with the characters other than Taradino and Ian. It could really use some touching up, but I'm led to believe that the guys who made it have actual game dev jobs now.

>>9748425
>no clue what their gender is
Don't worry, he doesn't know either. Still, a tranny pedophile? Perish the thought. I'm sure there's absolutely no grooming going on in any doom related discord servers, no siree. I'm sure none of the administrative in moderation staff for these websites and discords have done anything like this in private before, they are all paragons of virtue.

Clean it up Jannies.

>>9748512

Friday Night Firefight #108 is up, bringing you more EonDM, not to be confused with AeonDM. Vrsounds and litespree are loaded, we'll be using Zandronum 3.1 as usual.
51.161.34.159:10666

>>9748379
I will say I hate the fiend reskin.
I mean, they put effort into making a robot Scrag (looks awesome) and robot Vore (Less awesome, but an effort was made) but the Fiend still looks like an alien. Why not make it into the Boston Dynamics Big Dog from hell? It'd fit in with the theme far better. I get they want to imply it's some experiment/biological weapon, but all I see is a Fiend wearing a wig.
I hope Alkaline gets more updates down the line and becomes the sci fi Arcane Dimensions it deserves to be, though. It's annoyingly close as is.

>>9748071
>>9737923
Tagging news

>>9748314
>>9748328
I know about that, but if I'm removing patches that breaks textures, animations, switches etc.

>>9748584
patches will be pulled from IWAD. Textures will not be affected (Since they are packed in a single lump). I guess the only problem you might have is creating sequence of animated frames that includes ones from IWAD. In this case it would probably be acceptable to rename the copy (I copied flats from IWAD and called them whatever the flat that is used for borders are and this was acceptable)

>>9748520
Killed. Thanks for playing.

>Custom enemies wad for doom
>cacodemons replaced by NON flying enemies
why,its like you wanna break half the mapsets

>>9748590
Does that apply for texturex as well? Because I tried the automatic method (admittedly without changing animations or switches) and dsdadoom said 77 texture errors (or some number like that)

>>9737921
Baroque Obama

>>9748750
PNAMES, TEXTURE1 and TEXTURE2 won't be affected, unless you didn't actually change them.
You sure both SLADE and whatever you are testing with are using the same IWAD?

>>9739216
Deepest reaches and the quarry were the worst

>>9740042
aeons of death is kino ripfest. Just tweak around with the theme settings and it's infinite replay.

>>9748786
Although I don't really dig the newest realise. 5 was good but the rest were absolute unplayable

>>9748749
>Custom enemies wad for doom
>enemy is replaced by something that's just pure death in the context those enemies are commonly used in

If a wad loads replacements for vanilla sounds or textures, are the originals unloaded from memory or are they still there somewhere?

>>9749014
Is that a philosophical question? Why would you care? In the source ports I know about, and the original Doom, no they are not.

>>9749123
>>9748926
pics are nice but what about webums?

>>9748809
りんごんりんごん~

>>9749379
what's this from?

>>9749383
Half Life: The Trap

so uhhh, I hope you /vr/ doom faggots don't mind me asking: what ever happened to 94 protons of /vr/? I haven't kept up on news here in this board, been busy lately.

>>9741227
God I love High Noon Drifter. Shame about TerminusEst13 is not doing doom mods no more, it was nice while it lasted.

>>9749431
94 Protons has been in development hell with the project leader wanting to add unnecessary stuff.

Has anyone seen an old quake weapons mod? It had a super powerful double-barrel shotgun called the Orc shotgun and sometimes it gave you nuke grenades. One of the weapons was so powerful it could one-shot Chton. But I can not find it anymore.

>>9749431
>HFFM
>400 minutes
>512 linedefs
>unrattled
all made while waiting for 94 protons to finish
play 400 minutes, it's pretty good

I didn't think Habitat was as bad as everyone says. The previous two levels were worse and just terribly long slogs.

>>9749519
It is shit but I agree, although I thought Administration Center was actually not that bad, but Central Processing feels huge yet empty.

>>9747875
I had the reverse, all the Build games I've tried at first filtered me or I just thought they're not that fun at all, but as I played them more they've become my favorites.

>>9749431
>>9749434
So... When it'll be renamed to "94 Protons of /vr/ Forever" or you're holding onto it for the sequel?

>>>9747903
>imagine watching a walkthru just to not play a map completely blindly after the lighting died
what a shitty way to end this final level - but at least now I am psyched to replay Dwell

Aesthetically, this feels like a UT (or maybe UT3) level.

>>9749658
I get that a lot with Alkaline maps.
Some people hate it, but I think they look fantastic. Dancing in the Golden Sun is the best example of this.

>>9749458
HFFM came before the current lead started "work" on 94p. Ad Mortem phase 2 was also started and finished while waiting for the project however so that's still 4 projects.