/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9745662
ill ask again
i need a way to convert rgb to s-video or composite
im not paying $500 for an rgb crt

help me anonkun

How do you guys deal with CRT geometry? My eyes are drawn to inconsistencies like a a fly to shit. Once I notice something off I can't -unsee- it, and I've never seen a CRT with perfect geometry

I'm starting to think this isn't for me

>>9745678
Took me a couple years to get used to it honestly

>>9745678
just play on your flatscreen

>>9745662
complete noob here,does the switch output on "small" crt tv's like pic/related or will it have the sides/edges cut off from the screen?

>>9745673
>convert rgb
What's that?

>>9745734
RGB stands for " red green blue". Dunno what he means by that....

>>9745738
I know, but I don't understand what RGB is meant by here. What is he trying to hook up? SCART? YPbPr? VGA?

>>9745738
>>9745734
RGB signal to composite anon
i have a keene electronic box that can do it but it has a bit of dotcrawl

>>9745678
I can ignore stuff like slight curves or weird bends around the edge of the screen so long as the middle is all fine. Personally the only thing I can't ignore is CRT Bloom, my last CRT had it real fucking bad and was pretty much the entire reason I replaced it.

>>9745738
>>9745749
>>9745750
rgb scart

>>9745678
Curved crts hide it pretty well.
Its pretty much perfect on most crt Monitors aswell so theres that

>>9745662
Anyone have any suggestions on a cheap way to make a modern pc play nice with a consumer crt (component) for mame?

>>9745821
Downscale with a self-built GBS-C ( + sync combiner or csync from the GPU) or buy a Radeon GPU with an HDMI to component transcoder. Make sure you look online to see if the card can outout 240p through HDMI.

>>9745734
A signal you retard.

>>9745678
>and I've never seen a CRT with perfect geometry
Doesn't exist. Stick with solid-state displays if it bothers you.

>>9745678
>I've never seen a CRT with perfect geometry
Meanwhile my Trinitron
Yes, I know the top left corner is a bit off, but it doesn't get any better than this.

>>9745662
Bros I think I fucked up, I adjusted the focus on a Syncmaster I got for free but when I put it back together and turned it on it shut down and now it makes a clicking sound

could someone halp me
I have this old philips (i think its from the late 80s) i was playing ecco and then the tv just shut it self down but the red light was still on.
no smoke no nothing
pushing buttons do nothing and the tv doesn't have a remote control.
also theres a weird issing sound but i think its just the red light
what do bros?
(also I have another philips from the 70s but the tv doesnt work at all even tho its in good condition)

>>9745941
Check for bad caps in the power supply.

>>9745941
Most likely a bad capacitor, will need replacement

>>9745783
seeing alot of people post their monitors I feel like I shouldve gotten one instead of a PVM.

>>9745749
there's a couple kinds of RGB depending on the sync. Composite sync is H+V, while sync on composite uses the regular yellow plug as sync. Computer monitors usually have the H and V sync separate. Then there's stuff like sync on luma or whatever. Depends on the console.

>>9745753
scart is never necessary, the proper connector is called BNC

>>9746020
You can get a VGA input card for L series PVMs.

>>9745678
I can get used to shit if it was stationary. What makes me lose my fucking mind is the image shifting and warping a bit he brighter the image gets. My last 5 Trinitrons were like that to the point I don't even remember if they weren't always like that.
Granted, they're all flatscreens, but that's the shit I need because of having both S-video and component.

>>9746030
I have a PVM-1341

>>9746031
That's due to poor voltage control, which is common in consumer model TVs. Also, you can get curved screen monitors with s-video and component.

>>9746030
for L2? it doesn't do HD...

>>9745749
Ypbpr is not RGB

>>9746038
How hard is it to fix that? I know these monitors exist but they're way too rare to bother with.

>>9746049
Yup. You won't be getting HD formats but it does work for all L series monitors:
https://www.retroupgrades.co.uk/product/bkm-129x-card/
Dreamcast, for example, will look fucking amazing.
>>9746078
It might be tricky but lowering the screen voltage may correct it slightly. You could also try recapping the power supply but you'll never get rid of the "blooming" effect entirely. That's just something that's inherent to CRTs.

>>9746031
Blooming only bothers me for two reasons
1) this thing is a bit too far to the left and I can't be arsed to get a remote to fix it, which isn't an issue for DVD playback or Wii, but on PS2 and 360 means you can see the right edge of the screen and say I can load up an Xbox 360 trailer with underscan and watch the edge of the video move around
2) The 360 has that super bright guide menu that curves like an absolute bastard around the current menu selection
Oh and both TVs I have can't display the FROMSOFTWARE logo without the E stretching out on the bottom. Otherwise I never really notice it and the shitty cheap flat screen static geometry is a lot more of an issue. Graphics shrink when they fade out but you'd be hard pressed to know that's unintentional without comparing side by side.

>>9745706
the nintendo switch? it will only output hdmi, with a minimum of 480p, and usually in a 16:9 aspect ratio (apparently you can force it to output 4:3 if you have certain displays, but i'm not sure about the details). on its own, no, the switch will not display on a standard definition 4:3 crt. you would have to downscale hdmi to whatever the tv accepts.

>>9745678
I'm too dumb to fix it so I just deal with it, though I think for mine the TV might just be fucked entirely
This one was in the middle of a stack of storage goods and the casing was cracked in several places, so perhaps too much weight applied on it

ay, sorry for dumb question but just to clear this up
I have an european wii whose cable looks like the one circled, and am using an american TV
the image comes out black and white unless I use "force ntsc" but there's no such option for the PS1 emulator as far as I know
if I buy the cable on the left "component" will it work with colour?
I asked this a while ago but I forgot sorry

Used to have a big beautiful Sanyo flatscreen but it wound up being tossed when I converted to HDTV

>>9746151
european wii still uses pal video, american tv can't do pal video
get an american wii, european version of consoles have always sucked monkey fuck

>>9746151
no, pal wiis output rgb instead of ypbpr component. which emulator are you using?

>>9746178
for ps1, the latest version of WiiSX
I use nintendont for gamecube and wiiflow for wii and both have colour after starting the game, nintendont by default, wiiflow I have to select NTSC video. Didn't find a similar option on wiisx

>>9746185
>the latest version of WiiSX
How good is it?

>>9746185
can you open wiisx through wiiflow and choose ntsc like you would a wii game? i'm not familiar with wiiflow but it can open homebrew, can't it?

>>9746270
I didn't think of that, thanks, I'll try
>>9746226
I'm not sure, I only tried NFS High Stakes and it ran like crap but my cIOS was like a decade old, I'll try it again now that I updated it to see if it makes a difference

>>9746148
A recap would probably ease the geometry issues you’re having

> go to thift store
> see 24" with component
> cheap price and looks clean
> not heavy at all
couldn't resist

Lucked out and found a working service menu code for that cheapo Alba I posted about a few weeks ago. I can finally play Virtua Cop without being shot by off screen faggots

>>9746372
pics or it didn't happen

>>9745862
I think the power supply is fucked, this is what is sounds like
https://files.catbox.moe/ape38h.mp3

>>9745673
Get one of those cheap rgb to component converters and then output one connector it to a pin of the svideo connector and then you join the other 2 together for the other pin. For composite just joint all 3 together.
The one I got is called SCART to YPBPR. Avoid anything with hdmi as it has digital processing. The one I own is an older version in a small metal box but I think they are the same.

>>9746439
are you saying that s-video is the same as component with pb and pr combined? because i'm pretty sure that's not correct. i don't think you can passively convert ypbpr to s-video

>>9746151
Yes, you'll get color via component.

>>9746178
Not true. They output both.
t. have a PAL Wii hooked up via component to a GBS-C

still waiting on plasm anon from the previous thread to show me a comparison

>>9746439
i still dont have a tv set with component input anymore either

i regret leaving the state and coming back
i lost everything kek

it must be s-video (preferably composite)

>>9745673
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174151197805 quality rgb to svideo/composite.

>>9746746
based
i had previously messaged this seller

you think it will work with my superguns? (supergunminigun or HAS system)

Recs for a mid tier PC crt?

>>9746786
anything Sony or Viewsonic for PC monitors is apparently the go

>>9746786
85-96kHz is mid-tier. Look for something with a dot pitch of 0.25-0.26mm and from a decent brand (not AOC or KDS). Viewsonic has tons of decent mid tier tubes.

>>9746786
i snagged a newer dell vga monitor
its fine

>>9746326
if he's lucky, bloom is usually caused by the flyback transformer getting old

>>9746827
The power goes to the caps from the fly back, so it’s always the first thing to replace with geometry issues
A bad flyback will often result in other issues than just bad geometry

>these are the people getting into the hobby

>>9747284
What's wrong with that?
replacing power cords is a good entry point into electronics

>>9747284
>power chords
*iron man riff plays loudly*

>>9747304
>What's wrong with that?
>"PLS HELP HOW DO I PUT 2 WIRES TOGETHER AAAAAAAAA"

>>9747373
everyone has to start somewhere anon

>>9747381
i refuse to help people who cannot spell correctly

>>9746020
Your PVM will hold value better than most monitors.

>>9747284
easy fix but everyone has to start somewhere.
I love cut power cords, usually mean the thing is fine and they didnt want anyone taking it

>>9747406
>crt
>hold value
Every crt is a ticking timebomb, unless you can fix it you wont make money storing them long term

>>9747417
Why are 30+ year old CRTs still running then?
>"S-surely next year will it break!"

>>9747443
Electrolytics are slowly dying overtime, every crt will need to be recapped eventually.
Almost all 70s crts that werent recapped back in the day are suffering from cap issues, and alot of 80s sets aswell, its slowly starting with 90s sets these days

>>9747465
capacitors aren't exactly a difficult repair

>>9747475
sure but you think someone whod speculate with crts could do something like that

>>9745862
Lol my Sony cpd-e200 had the same thing happen to it. Started smelling a little weird. unplugs it from my PC and space, my dumbass plugged it in in my hallway, and it starts smoking lol, smelt like burnt electronics for hours with a massive headache. Plug it in outside if you can next time.

>>9746595
Same. Odds are he chickened out. We will never be plasmapilled.

>>9747970
>>9746595
I wasnt in that convo last thread, but I can give you my perspective as a plasma Owner.
Plasma is an inferior technology to CRT for sure, but its nice having a big screen.
Motion clarity is alot better then on LCD, but not CRT level.
Peak brightness is quite good, all white less so.
Blacks are alot better then LCD, slightly worse then a well calibrated crt.
Native 1080p is nice for movies and consoles, very low input lag aswell.

>>9746791
I have used a two. My past Sony CPD E-200, and my current Dell E771p. Both direct VGA to VGA, no gay conversion. The sony was nice as fuck, but there aren't really huge differences. On paper they exist, but not to a degree where I will be sickened with the dell. Never used a ViewSonic, but people swear by them.

I love it over TV CRTs, it's connected to a fucking PC so I get ever benefit possible. I can emulate if I really wanted any game I'd like. And Iainly play retro PC games, especially crpgs. They look like shit in widescreen so a 4:3 or 5:4 display is a must. Go for it anon, we need more monitor chads here.

>>9747990
Also ghosting

>>9748024
not on my model

>>9747990
>Plasma is an inferior technology to CRT for sure, but its nice having a big screen.
Context should always be given before making such claims. Inferior in what, exactly? Should the advancements in scalability, geometry, screen uniformity/focus and higher resolutions be ignored just because CRTs have slightly better motion resolution?

>>9746595
I am still here, thought the thread would get archived before any replies. I'll record some autistic UFO or moving photo between Plasma and OLED soon.

>>9748131
>geometry, screen uniformity/focus and higher resolutions
Is any of this true though? Many CRT monitors have much higher resolution than 1080p, and have more focus, uniformity and convergence adjustment zones than "fake HDR" LCDs have dimming zones, so they're solved problems. Picrel is an older model, some Eizos went up to 256 adjustment zones.

>>9748131
And the late Sony Trinitrons generally don't need any sort of uniformity compensation at all, they remain incredibly clean even after tens of thousands of hours.

>>9747284
I hate the copper goblins.

>>9748131
>higher resoultions
>Basically every crt has a higher pixel density then plasmas

:)

:|

>>9748249
>>9748252
aw man

>>9748249
>>9748252
just report that shit, people like that are the worst

>>9748249
>>9748252
why the fuck would they add both component and S-video to a 14 inch turd? lmao

S-video? Composite? Huh what's that?

>>9748316
I can take any signal type, no shart connector necessary. You people play games at 50 hz it's disgusting

How hard is it to connect a CRT TV to a modern PC? Is it even possible?

>>9748329
>Spends years and hundreds of dollars looking for the perfect unicorn CRT with all the connectors he needs
PALchads can pick up any CRT from top of the line Sonys to budget brands and it'll have a scart connector

>>9748408
I recently found a TV thats so old it doesnt have scart, works flawlessly though.
Worth taking?

>>9748252
>AF45
That would be funny even if they weren't a fucking fag

>>9748359
It's very easy. HDMI to composite cables exist, and composite to HDMI cables exist, so on and so forth. Your quality will vary depending on connection type and brand.

>>9748461
Is there any brand I should go for in particular? I have an Nvidia graphics card.

>>9747938
lol luckily this one didn't light up in flames, I guess something's wrong with the power supply, I'll post updates if I can figure it out

>>9748519
I have a HDMI to SCART connector that I used with my 1050ti, it worked well enough.

>>9748316
Dithering? Huh what's that?

>>9748530
Awesome, thanks. I might be getting my hands on a CRT soon so I'm looking forward to some quality gaming time.

>>9746578
they can be made to with homebrew, but stock they use those pins to output rgb.

>>9748408
composite and rf are better

>>9748316
I wonder how many europes used composite SCART just thinking all SCART carries RGB.

Like didn't the PAL Saturn come with composite SCART cables?

>>9748648
I have two PAL Saturns and they came with RGB SCART cables. Both model 2's though, maybe the model 1 came with a different video cable

>>9746372
> not heavy at all
CRT weight rises exponentially with screen size. If it were 28 inch, it would probably weight twice as much.

>>9748572
You don't need homebrew, YPbPr is enabled by shorting pins 8 and 10 of the AV connector. Both on PAL and NTSC consoles I think.
I guess my cable does this and it just works, but I haven't ripped the cable apart to check myself.

>>9748729
here's a chart i made for the crts i've measured. it would seem to be linear with outliers at the small end and at the big end (the two heaviest are sony wegas)

>>9745673
you dont need to buy an rgb tv just get one that supports rgb, i was gonna reply in the last tread to the guy that had a sony trinitron on his passenger seat.

the orange scart socket on sony trinitrons supports rgb scart, the black socket doesnt.

>>9748934
>i was gonna reply in the last tread to the guy that had a sony trinitron on his passenger seat.
I'm still here.
>the orange scart socket on sony trinitrons supports rgb scart, the black socket doesnt.
It's the other way around, actually. The orange SCART is AV2, with S-Video instead of RGB. The black one is AV1 and it supports RGB.
If you look at other Sonys, they often have the AV1 SCART socket in black and the others in orange. It's not universal though, my other Trinitron has both sockets black and only AV1 is RGB. More than one socket with RGB support is pretty rare.
Also, I've come across a Sony that had two SCART sockets and strangely RGB didn't work on any of them. I think it was broken though, maybe the CVBS/RGB mode select pin was shorted to ground or something.

Is there a modern graphics card that has outputs for crt displays? Can be TV or monitor CRTs

>>9749087
i think ur right actually. just checked the manual and RGB is on AV1, if thats the black socket then ur correct, cant get to my tv atm, its a 29" lump and jammed in a cupboard

>>9745673
https://www.retrorgb.com/rgb-to-composite-s-video-converter-announced.html I have one, it's fucking amazing does both composite and s-video without a hitch. You won't be disappointed.

I just bought this tv, does anyone know how to get into the service menu?
RCA Model E13344

>>9749276
I assume you tried googling for this specific model but did you try any methods for other rca crts?

>Turn the instrument on.
>Press and hold the VOL - button.
>Press and release the POWER button.
>Press and release the MENU button.
>Release the VOL - button.
>Keep pressing vol -/+ until the number reaches 76. Press chan -/+ to change to the different service options.

Like this for example?

Photo of CT at 256x224 on a Laptop LCD screen

>>9749509
The same image being magnified ito 110% before being photographed
Notice how it looks more CRTesque with a pleasing blur to it?
What could this mean?

>>9749509
>>9749516
A comparison
Look at how much smoother the number on the right appear to be just by being magnified to 110%(which would be about 282x246 or so)
Even though there are artifacts in the right it looks better than the left imo

>>9749524
what it means is it's scaled incorrectly

>>9749526
And yet it looks smoother and less harsh. Much like a low end low TVL consumer CRT.
The raw native res looks good of course but it looks harsh

Just look at Chrono's face
How can you possibly say the left(real res) looks better than the right(110% magnified)?
The right clearly looks smoother and is closer to what they intended.

I'm reminded of a low end slot mask TV

>anon discovers bilinear filtering

>>9749534
lol, exactly what I was going to say

>>9749509
Didn't you post this exact same shit in January? I've still got my comparison pictures

>>9749534
>>9749536
Nah Bilinear doesn't look like this but nice try

>>9749543
because it's spread over less pixels
but you enjoy playing with a massive black border all you want

>>9749538
I posted a different shot but yes I'm the same guy and I was just bored and testing shit out when I noticed that at 110% the image looked noticeably different

As for your shot it appears your TV is a bit sharper probably 500 TVL so the numbers/font looks sharp rather than smooth
Also worth noting that the USA version of Chrono Trigger has different font(that is less pleasing than the Japanese version imo)

>>9749546
Bilinear is too blurry imo
Obviously I'm not gonna play this way because the image is too small(literally about 282x246 or so since this is just an image magnified to 110%) I was just making an observation
The magnified image looks like a low end CRT which imo is the best way to play retro games

>>9749553
It is literally just bilinear filtering over less pixels
On a CRT most game pixel are spread over two or three phosphors which is mostly what you are seeing, but as stated before it's too small

>>9749559
>It is literally just bilinear filtering over less pixels
It's just an image magnified to 110%
There's no bilinear filtering involved
If the display itself is doing bilinear interpolation that's another thing but I didn't do any tampering to it.

>On a CRT most game pixel are spread over two or three phosphors
Well depends on the CRT
Any high line CRT for example looks sharp like an emulator but with scanlines
While low end ones smooth the pixels

>but as stated before it's too small
Of course I just find it fascinating how much it looks like the kind of CRTs I like
It almost look like those low TVL 9 inch portable sets with the way the image blends

It just goes to show how much there is to learn about displays
Though I suppose one day we'll have 20000PPI displays which will upscale everything perfectly and we won't look back anymore

>>9745662
>German text
I hope that's not a 50hz PAL CRT.

>>9749632
I've never seen a post 80s crt that cant do 60hz in the UK desu

>>9749276
I know 14inch trinitrons didn't have service menus, might be the same here

>>9748648
Gamecube came with composite to scart adapter at launch

JVC TM-A140PN. Unfortunately it only has composite and s video ports, but I don't think I made a terrible loss by paying 50€ for this

>>9749651
My Sony 13m42 has a service menu though.

>>9749705
I paid $75 for a TM910SU and do not regret it at all. The picture is better quality than my 27 inch consumer despite being low TVL because it has better volt control.

>>9749713
looks like a high end model to me, most trinis at that size weren't afforded one

>>9749584
>It's just an image magnified to 110%
How do you think image scaling works?
You need some interpolation algorithm to do this, nearest neighbor, bilinear, bicubic, lanczos, whatever. Different algorithms produce different results. Some will be smoother, others more blocky. Nearest neighbor produces the best results for pixel art, provided the scale is integer.
The Photos app on Windows 10 blurs shit when zoomed, for example. The older photo viewer was much better IMO.

>>9749270
thnx anon

>visit wife's grandparents
>go down to the basement to see something, my first time being down there
>immediately notice an unplugged ~27in Trinitron sitting unplugged in an entertainment center
I put the bug in their ear about taking it off their hands when they want to get rid of it. It's only a matter of time.

>>9750161
I do this all the time yet
>Whatever happened to that old TV?
>"Oh we threw that away last month, sorry we forgot you asked us to save it for you"
>Thats allright, thanks anyways
Dont count on it unless its so heavy they dont wanna carry it themselfs

>>9750181
Her grandmother was surprised I brought it up. It's apparently been sitting down there for years. They used it when they had cable or rabbit ears or whatever, and no longer do so it's just been there, probably because it's too heavy to carry up and get rid of. Not to bore, but we also have a reputation for being a good way to get rid of stuff in the family because my wife resells and I'm a hoarder. Plus, me and her grandmother have become gardening pals so she already shares a lot of stuff like plants and seeds with me.

It's happening.

>>9748249
>>9748252
""""""""""""Mint""""""""""""""

Scored a CRTit works perfectly but the corner is mashed. Anyone do a repair on something like this? A simple crack I would just do it but the geometry is messed up. Would you patch it /CRT/? Or just cover it up?

>>9751148
I wouldn't even turn it on if I saw that crack beforehand.

>>9751165
Enlighten a poor wizend beginner such as myself.

>>9751172
I'm just saying that the crack alone would be a deal breaker for me, even with a good tube/screen. It could probably be repaired with some resin, sandpaper, and paint.

>>9745673
Why not just use s-video right out of the consoles?

>>9751148
A crack in the plastic case won't cause geometry to fuck up. Whatever caused the crack broke something else.

>>9746605
Weiya cv-04

>>9751206
Sorry I used the geometry to refer the the plastic shape. The screen geometry is fine. Just did a few rounds of Virtua Cop and hit everything in that corner fine.

>>9751148
i'd use superglue if possible

>>9751251
>Weiya cv-04
saved thank u anon
have you tested this yourself?

>>9751191
my arcade supergun doesnt output svideo

>>9747310
>>9747284
They're called 5th chords

>>9751773
but it's actually +7 semitones
you're naming convention sucks

>>9751793
and the third note in the major chord
music is stupid

so is recapping expensive for people to do or just time consuming? I have a PVM 1341 and live about an hour away from someone who can do it for me but I have yet to get in contact with them and find out how much it would cost me. I almost feel like doing it myself but at the cost of me potentially messing something up and ruining it more

>>9751805
The parts aren't that expensive, the problem is disassembly and reassembly. Also desoldering is harder than soldering.

>>9745783
BASED dragon half enjoyer

>>9751824
if thats the case i might attempt it then. ive posted on here before but in case anyone is wondering this is what it looks like turned on

>>9751805
If you've got no experience with soldering you should get someone else to do it. I own a 20m2mdu that was recapped poorly by someone prior to me and it has bad geometry problems that are likely related.

>>9751837
You're not gonna get it done with copper-wick if you don't have years of soldering experience. Do you even have a decent iron?

>>9751894
>You're not gonna get it done with copper-wick
as long as the board's single-sided, it should be fine. you could even just pull the legs out when the solder's liquid and that would work, too. just discharge the caps first.

>>9751901
if it's the first thing he ever solders, no absolutely not. he will fail and maybe damage something else

>>9751894
>>9751901
>>9751914
Solder suckers are 8 dollars. That's all you need. It's what I used.

>>9749154
I don't know about modern graphics cards, but some mother boards still have VGA output, just built a PC last month with it. I got an integrated graphics CPU and plugged directly into my crt monitor.

>>9751914
fucking up's always a possibility, but i think the average joe can get the hang of it with some practice. the thing is, though, that recapping won't always fix the issue. and even if it is caps, it's not always apparent which ones are the problem.

>>9751894
>>9751914
its not my first time soldering and I would invest in a solder sucker. plus when I take it apart I'll more than likely post pics step by step on here, should be fun

>>9748249
>>9748252
i have a 14AF46C,picked it up for 20 bucks from some old man,i really like it.

where do you even find a good CRT nowadays if you're a leaf? I've thought about maybe getting a smaller one and hooking up my N64 or gamecube since I don't have a place for them right now

>>9751805
If you are gonna desolder, be very careful you don't lift traces

>>9745673
My CRT was 60 bucks and my other one was free also >>9745734 What the fuck is RGB?

>>9752216
The fuck is a leaf Facebook marketplace is the only place I ever had good luck with. Otherwise, the side of the street. And habitat for humanity in your area will put CRTs outside with cut power cord/VGA cable

>>9752216
what city are you in?
>>9752261
>The fuck is a leaf
a canadian. but also facebook marketplace has been the spot for me

>>9752216
Down the street. Also people in this country still somewhat use Kijiji depending on the region, even though it's slowly being drained by the Facebook anti-Christ in my city.

>>9752216
facebook marketplace,dont search for CRT,just search for TV and sort by cheapest.

>>9748271
Because DVD players.

>>9751894
NGMI

>>9751148
Superglue and stickers.
You wont get something this damaged looking as good as new again, covering it up is your best bet

>>9752806
You can, it just takes work
This anon >>9751186 is correct, resin sanding and paint
Conversely you could do it by gluing then using some filler and painting it so it looks good but matching paints is difficult so a once over with a spray might work

>>9745678
Get a curved screen.

480p on a 17 inch CRT or 480i on a 20 inch?

trying to figure out how to replay RE4

>>9753034
On a Wii

>>9753038
yeah, but would you prefer 480p on a smaller screen, or 480i on a larger one?

>>9753041
Well my 29" CRT looks great interlaced
Also I just found out you can make Wii look really sharp by disabling the de-flicker in USBloaderGX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzJth1XFCBU

>>9751830
Its a fun OVA and minku is cute

>>9752830
>resin sanding and paint
I just put some high strength epoxy on it using duct tape as psuedo clamps. Then I already have sand paper for grinding all the way down to finishing. I'll then use a plastic epoxy to shape it and if at that point it doesn't look passable I'll get creative. Maybe make it look like faux Kintsugi using paint.

>>9747310
>first time seeing my image posted by someone else
Took this screenshot and posted it on 4chan a few years ago. It’s a nice feeling seeing it out in the wild.

My crt has a noticeable flicker/shimmer in the bottom right hand corner only. Particularly with lighter/brighter colours. Seems to alleviate slightly after a while of being on but still quite noticeable. Is this normal, or could there be a capacitor/power issue going on?

>>9754626
also a high-pitched whine (more noticeable than other crts). I've read both could be a sign of a failing flyback

So what affordable crt is the best option if youre looking for something with a decent size?

Anyone know how to fix this warping on the corner of my CRT? It's my first one and I've heard flatscreen Trinitrons generally have issues like these, but it had component input so I thought of it as a tradeoff. It's not too noticeable when I'm playing and focused so should I just leave it alone?

>>9754839
The one that's free on facebook marketplace in your area

>>9754847
turn down the contrast a little and make it overscan
making it underscan is a mistake for CRT's

>>9754839
Just whatever you can find bro. For decent size I'd say anything from 20" - 27" is good, personally. Beyond that they get pretty bulky and heavy, but if you've got the space and a buddy to help move it, knock yourself out.

>>9754847

>>9754852
Will do. Thanks anon.
>>9754867
I'm scared as shit to touch this thing though. I don't have any heart issues but I heard you get a nasty shock if you do anything stupid, and I'm not that smart.

>>9753050
in my opinion that looks worse, but play it how you want

>>9747284
had a small 13inch sharp tv with a cut cord. only issue was that it was cut super short. had to open it up and get at the last cm worth of wire to solder to because i didnt want to deal with the termination on the PCB instead.

>>9754847
Looks like it's tilted a bit. Only way to know for sure is using 240p test suite, but you might not even need to access the service menu if that's the case.
There's an option in the normal menu where you can adjust the screen angle.

>>9754887
It probably depends on a per game basis. I like the clarity of some games like RE4 and Twilight Princess even if it exposes the dithering patterns, but others I just dont see much if any noticeable difference.

>>9755554
Scanlines are straight at the top and curved on the bottom, looks like my Inshitnia flat that's stretched out at the bottom right corner but not as bad since it's only on the y-axis.

I got a really nice crt but its broken, I hope I can manage to fix it somehow/not damage it further by working on it

picked up a 32" Sharp with an entertainment center for $50 the other day. It's not a trinitron but it's my crt

>>9756101
comfy af.
This is the kind of setup people were dreaming about in the late 90s

Is the BeoCenter 1 any good?

>>9756212
Not super sure where it fits into the line of B&O stuff but seems similar to MX6000. Definitely my favourite line of tubes, the contrast screen and audio are amazing and the sharpness is just right.

>>9756101
That is my dream setup.

>>9756101
Your crt is always the best one.

>>9756417
The MX series has some serious horizontal ghosting issues though, which is super clear when playing with RGB.

is there a way I can use my PVM as a computer monitor? I know it sounds weird and redundant but its how I'd watch my anime

>>9756101
Nice. I like small gaming collections like that, not ones where there's a million games for a million consoles, but stuff that feels a little less mechanical and more personal. I'm reorganizing my games currently because I sort them in weird arbitrary ways and should probably just do it alphabetically.
Also, is it just me, or is the surface my TV is on sagging inwards? I thought it was a weird illusion looking at the photo but it's definitely sagging a little inwards.

>>9756614
what are its inputs and does it do hd?

>>9756631
oh shit its the funny sitting rpg meme guy

>>9756650
PVM 1341

>>9756580
Never seen any ghosting, is what you're referring to the poor horizontal linearity? These sets are indeed known for that and it can cause a kinda goldfish bowl effect on horizontal scrolling. Incidentally the last in the line (MX8000) fixes this issue entirely but it's too high TVL for my taste.

>>9756656
and what os and gpu does the computer have?

>>9756710
Win 11 and 6800XT

>>9756101
nice clean and cozy set up, anon. i would add some houseplants to give the space a little life though

>>9756659
Turn up the brightness and contrast and you'll see very clear ghosting lines on the MX6000-8000.

>>9756714
as far as i know there's no way to connect your card directly to that monitor for 480i. it seems like the rx series doesn't support interlaced output at all, so if you want 480i you'll need to convert the video out to one of your monitor inputs.

>>9751894
>You're not gonna get it done with copper-wick
Really? Do most if not all of CRT boards use through hole components? Isn't it easy to desolder those with copper wick? The secret is to be generous with solder grease.

My 32 inch panasonic tau is still rocking, but can't stop notice a weird buzz coming out of it from time to time; I really don't plan on recapping the thing anytime soon as I don't have the space nor the means to discharge it, but I think I can practice with small sets; probably ask my local melee community to lend me some CRTs: I pay for the capacitors and recap them, and if I fuck up I don't take responsibility. A lot of them are interested as TVs are cheap and plentiful here, and I can use the practice.

When you recap sets, do you recap the whole board or only failing capacitors? I guess you test 'em with the multimeter? Do you look for documentation online? Anons who have recapped their sets, do you think the community mystifies a little to much the process of recapping a TV?

Been thinking of getting a CRT or like a CRT for my desk but I want it to be a good size for a desk nothing huge. Anybody got any ideas of brand or model to look around for?

>>9757161
In my experience anything 13-14 inches is fine for a desk. If you're getting a TV, any brand will do. Some Sonys tend to have component, while other manufactuers only use composite or RF. If you go the PC monitor route, then 17 inches or less is ideal. Avoid the 9-inch eyestrain-machine PVMs. Personally rocking a Sony KV13FS100.

>>9757161
Panasonic or JVC if you can get them. Or Sharp. Anything Japanese really.
I have a little Panasonic 13" and it's really good.

>>9757364
>>9757356
Will hunt ebay for those, much appreciated on the info.

>>9757386
Not ebay anon, look locally. Unless you wanna get scalped and have your CRT massacred in delivery.

>>9756631
I think I owned that exact tv at one point.

>>9757386
Panasonic ct13r, comes in white black or silver

>>9745678
Adjust the TV or monitors geometry controls.
You're not really meant to sit directly on top of a CRT TV screen either unless its very very small (under 9 inches) so try leaning back or adjusting your setup a little. Retro consoles and games are designed to be played on a CRT but you're not meant to be terribly close to the CRT screen.
If you really want to see the pixels all super crisp and sharp up close rethink what you are doing and get yourself some half decent scaler kit and a nice LCD panel.

>>9757447
>a nice LCD panel
No such thing. OLED or bust when it comes to modern displays.

>>9746151
>PAL console
>NTSC tv
why

>>9748572
??
Wii has official component cables, what are you talking about
>>9757748
I assume he bought a CRT online

>>9745678
>>9745843
I find that smaller screens are easier to adjust. I have a 20" Trinitron and a 24" Toshiba and both were pretty straightforward to get a good result. I don't think it can ever be 100%, but it's close enough, and honestly for me that is part of the appeal. It's like driving a manual transmission car- your shift is never going to be perfect, so you're always striving to improve, and you accept that the world is an imperfect place and just deal with the tiny imperfections in life and your interactions with machines.

>>9746226
It sucks, not a single game worked when I tried and it doesn't do 240p.

>>9747465
I'm actually surprised that more 90s sets aren't having issues, because frankly the 70s caps were a lot more durable. But yeah I've recapped most of my CRTs, I generally go for automotive capacitors since I find they tend to be a bit more robust and long-lasting.

>>9748249
>>9748252
>>9748271
Seller is a fag but these little Toshiba A-series are honestly hidden gems, they're probably some of the sharpest consumer sets around, and I would say they give PVMemes a run for their money. They have component because the tube is actually good enough to make use of it.

>>9756105
>no sound system
No, people in the late '90s had better priorities than this.

>>9749719
>TM910SU
I got one of these for free back in 2015 or so. Honestly a great little monitor for a desktop setup, would highly recommend, and since it isn't Sony it tends to fly under the radar a bit.

>>9750181
Yeah, I've just straight up started asking people if I can have something because most of the time they'll forget. The worst was when my neighbours ended up giving away an Apple II because "oh you were at work while we were doing the spring cleaning, sorry we forgot you wanted it". Fuck being polite and modest, gimme your shit NOW.

>>9756101
>It's not a trinitron but it's my crt

The best CRT is one that works, has good geometry, and has a lot of life left in the tube.

>>9756737
You're right about the 6000 if you crank the brightness and contrast up, but not the 8000 then you're talking out of your arse, the 8000 is an entirely different design with a tube from Panasonic instead of Philips, the only similarity is the form factor being the same MX design language and casing

>>9758181
Im currently building my sound system, I have pretty much everything high end period accurate parts, but only mediocre speakers for my amp.
Any cheap but good modern speakers or should I continue to look for old big boxes?

>>9758180
If they were hidden people wouldn't be selling them on Facebook for $150. They're the first flat screen people go to after WEGAs.

>>9758180
How hard was the recap?
I need to do it to a few of my tubes but frankly pulling the boards and especially disconnecting the flyback makes me afraid im gonna break something/ not be able to put it back together correctly.
Lots of photos and marking cables is necessary I presume

>>9745734
RGB is a signal, better than YPbPr even. Even though YPbPr was used for longer, when most of the world was already using HDMI.

>>9748530
>>9748461
>>9748359
I was looking to do this myself with my laptop to my SCART TV, but I remember someone here or elsewhere telling me that plugging a modern PC into a consumer TV can damage it badly because of the different refresh rates (TV requiring 15kHz) or something?
Is there any truth to this, or is it a misconception?

>>9748249
>>9748252
I have this exact TV and it's great. Got it from a black dude for $20. It's so small and its shape means I can easily put it on its side for TATE shmups. The only thing is it really stinks of cigs after a while.

>>9758204
I own an MX8000 you bitch ass nigger, and it's got exactly the same ghosting and geometry issues that the MX6000 has.

>>9754867
That's for purity. Won't do shit for convergence or geometry

>>9758975
I know YPbPr usage dates as far back as 1950s, but it was all experimental at the time and would eventually lead to YIQ used in NTSC and YUV in PAL. So nothing in terms of standards.
What's the first device that used YPbPr component connections in consumer space? I can only think of DVD players and that would make YPbPr's place in time from the late 90s to the end of WiiU's life.
Analog RGB on the other hand was first widely used in computers from the late 80s (VGA) and there are still new devices being made that have an RGB SCART output, namely DVB-T2 STB decoders.

>>9759280
why did you feel the need to specify it was a black guy

>>9759674
Because it wasn't a white guy and I need you to understand that.

>>9759361
talking out your arse it has it's own set of problems, its got different ghosting issues due to the internal sharpening and such, not due to the design. I've got one as well nigger, as well as a mx4200.

14'' consumer CRT with composite, DO THEY EVEN EXIST?

>>9759751
yeah, I got one in my room right now. Sure you meant to say composite?

>>9759517
Are you able to read that image? The disk magnets, which are pictured here >>975486 are for corner geometry. I've done this myself on several TVs.

>>9759754
Mind to share the model?

>>9759751
Almost all CRT's have at least a composite input anon
did you mean component?
majority of silver sets post 2000 have component regardless of size

>>9760053
It's a panasonic tc-14sv10m. Basically identical to picrel. I'm from nz, so maybe the situation is different where you live? But I would expect most models you're likely to find would have composite.

>>9745821
RGB mod (or get a component transcoder) and use DP to VGA adapter

>>9760063
>did you mean component?
YES YES, I'm dumb.

>>9759751
Toshiba 14AF43, baby

>>9759751
>>9760325
Toshiba 14AF43, baby

>>9760406
lol this is literally a deawoo?

>>9760325
Just say Ypbpr and you wont get confused

So I got recommended this encoder by some anon here to use on my computer since it can only output RGB scart.
I got it yesterday and it worked but the image is kinda "wavy" is this supposed to be normal?
it certainly doesn't happen with my consoles
https://files.catbox.moe/cn4elx.webm

>>9760459
>deawoo
im not familiar with the brand but a lot of crt tvs had a similar design into the 2000s. for some reason every flat crt had to be silver. its interesting following those types of aesthetic changes, like how every pc went from being beige into the 90s, to being black in the 2000s, mostly till today where black + glass siding and or RGB shares a lot of the aesthetic culture limelight.

>>9760506
i can't speak for that encoder i guess but that isn't how rf, composite, svideo, or component look plugged directly into my crts

>>9760506
here's a smaller sized video
https://files.catbox.moe/143flw.mp4
>>9760514
Yeah I figured, something is definitely wrong with the picture.
I wonder what could be the issue...

>>9760540
maybe its something to do with the power brick that usb c is plugged into. did it come with some or are you using a phone brick? is it a fast charging brick? try something older

>>9747284
It is common for businesses to deliberately destroy old merchandise so that it can't be resold (I don't know why). Once while visiting my parents, I peeked into the rental store I used to work at. It was being shut down, so the guys were destroying everything, including snipping wires to stuff like headsets. They gave me a hammer so that I could smash apart the aisles...

>>9745678
>How do you guys deal with CRT geometry?
By not being an obsessive fucking basement loser who gives a shit about "muh CRTs".

You should try it.

>>9760616
>did it come with some or are you using a phone brick?
no it did not and yes I'm using a phone brick, I even plugged it into my pc and the results are the same.
I think that the issue is from the seller himself.
looking at the reviews now, I think I've been bamboozled

>>9746578
>>9758152
you're right. i guess you just need to switch to ntsc output if you want composite and s-video then?

>>9760665
0/10

>>9760684
You didn't get bamboozled, my vga to svideo/composite from him works perfectly.

>>9760726
have you tried the composite signal?
does it have a wavy effect?
because looking at the reviews it seems like I'm not the only one with this issue

>>9760743
I do not understand this shit fully but this is something the guy said before
>RGB to s-vid (NTSC or PAL) can be pretty damn good, externally converting RGB to composite has somewhat shitty artifacts, worse than internal composite generation in a console/whatever since the artifacts are going to drift around in position rather than being a fixed pattern
I think you're just out of luck on trying to get native looking composite out from an emulator on PC.

So, I've finally convinced my sister to give me the CRT from our childhood.
It's been in her basement for a decade at the least.
So I want to do some maintenance and have some questions on what exactly to do.
Obviously, I am gonna do a recap.
Anything else I might want to replace while I'm at it or should be doing?
Should I only replace the electrolytic caps or all in general?
I have the service manual so knowing what to get isn't a problem.

Pic related is the CRT, a Sony Trinitron KV-M1450A which looks as good as I remember it.

Would games look good on this? It has s-video. Only issue is that I would be playing it on my desk, so would it be too big?

>>9760923
Yeah, I tried my wii with the encoder and the wave effect is still there but it's a lot less visible.
not gonna bother with converter, encoder, cables or whatever.
I'll just use the ntsc composite filter in retroarch, it looks pretty close to the real thing.
here's a shitty comparison that I made

>>9761152
That would definitely be too big for your desk.
I have a 27” and out of curiosity I recently looked up the recommended viewing distance for TVs by size. 8’ is recommended for 27” SD TVs, and I now sit about 6-7’ away since it’s the best I can do with my setup. It made me realize that I was sitting way, way too close because it was “comfy” to wheel my TV up to my seat on the cart I made for it, but the picture just isn’t as good in that situation.

>>9761180
8' is insane for a 27" TV. I sat more or less the length of my legs away from a 29" and it looked great.
8' is my distance to a 55" 4K TV and I want to get a bigger one when I change it.
Resolution difference vs a CRT definitely plays some role here, but it's not as important as you'd imagine. With all types of displays the "bigger is better" rule is always true.

>>9761232
>I sat more or less the length of my legs away from a 29" and it looked great.
That’s pretty much what I was doing, but I immediately appreciated moving it back. I’m not rejecting bigger TVs or anything, but I definitely don’t think you (I) should be that close or that there’s much to gain from being that close to lower fidelity content. Like I said, I’m at closer to 6’ and I feel pretty comfortable with that.

>>9761005
If its working fine, what reason is there to mess with it. If the capacitors had failed it would not be working correctly.

>>9761364
Well, it is still working fine.
But I want it to last and have no idea whether caps started to leak or not (or who knows when they would start to).
That TV is easily ~30y old. It hasn't been in use for 15y or even more and since it is from my childhood, I'd like it to last.
Also I noticed that the SCART socket doesn't really grip the plug, making it lose sync when the cable is even remotely touched (having to put a book or two under it, so it has contact with the pins) so that's definitely something I also want to fix.
And while I'm at it, I want to preventatively do a recap.
So my questions still stand.
Should I replace all capacitors or only the electrolytic ones (since they are the ones that fail and start to leak) or would it be a good measure to replace all while I'm already at it?
Anything else that I could replace while it is open?
Not to mention, since it was in the basement I want to give it a good clean.
Even if it doesn't make a difference in its longevity, it at least won't hurt.

>>9761005
Man that's a nice picture. Is there a secret to taking good quality photos of CRTs on modern cameras? Mine very rarely have that vibrant pop to them.

i tested out my ps1 and ps1 emulator on a crt. no difference.
i tested out new games on a crt. text is hard to read and minor difference in display.
why is crt even a thing other than some niche fad.

>>9761641
>why is crt even a thing other than some niche fad
Because they were the only kind of consumer televisions that existed for decades and decades? What kind of question is that?

>>9756101
I really need a shelf like that one on the side you have.

>>9756631
which game is this?

>>9761691
soul hackers?

>>9761691
is the band supposed to be that color or did it yellow over time a lot?

>>9761635
Dunno what would make it even better but I've just calibrated it a bit with the Wii 240p suite and the service menu.
Then I just darkened the room.
Both pics were shot with a Samsung Galaxy M31.

Posting the OLED (left) vs Plasma (right) motion video as promised. Sample and hold sucks.

>>9752830
>>9751148
Looking much nicer now.

High strength epoxy was overkill and was hard to sand. Definitely get lower strength.

>>9761691
First fella who replied to you was right

Any decent affordable component-vga converters? I'm still using picrel I got like 10 years ago.
http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de#Picture115

>>9761501
do don't have to do maintenance on non-electrolytics. other than cleaning the dust, you could clean the sockets and controls with contact cleaner or isopropyl alcohol and compressed air. also do a visual inspection for any cold solder joints or anything that looks burnt or open traces or something.

I ended up getting the RCA F27676BC.

1. What universal remote should I get for it? I can’t even change the input without it so it’s literally unusable right now.

2. Is the weight of it (seller said it was 45 lbs) too much for the desk it’s sitting on?

3. Is the picture actually good?

>>9762185
Fucking forgot the picture

>>9762185
any universal remote that has an input button should work. rca made a couple so you could get an rca remote if you want to be sure. if my shitty particle board ikea desk can hold a 50lb monitor, yours is probably fine. you can look up the desk specs if you really want to know. no telling how the picture is from a blurry picture of static.

>>9762185
>>9762192
>>9762379
I have to wonder if remote controls of other RCA Colortrak Plus models would work, or are they model specific? I also have a Colortrak Plus with original remote, but I never was able to see if it would work on other models, everybody else I knew who had CRTs at the time had Zenith or Panasonic.

is there a RGB scart for the wii? or would I have to use an N64 one? I wanna hook it up to my PVM and I already have the SCART to RGB breakout cables.

so why does grandia in particular have a black bar on the right side of the screen, but only for grandia, and only during the in-game scenes and in-game gameplay? (animated FMVs don't have that black bar on the right)
I'll post another game working on the same console on the same tv so you can see the difference

>>9762475
there is, but the wii renders ycbcr internally so there's no benefit over using component

>>9762504
so would I just need the retrovision component cables and some connectors?

>>9761180
LMAO
that's pretty dumb
How big do you think the astro city cab screen is

>>9761232
>>9762515
I tried finding the calculator I used last time, and I’m not sure if this one is the same or not, but it says 8.6’ is the MAXIMUM viewing distance. I probably misremembered. In any case, I was definitely sitting too close for my comfort with the TV at just leg’s length.
I want to be clear that the anecdote about recommended viewing distance was an aside and not my reasoning for saying that would be too large for a desk. I definitely think that would be too large for a desk in footprint at least, but maybe manageable if you plan to scoot back a few feet when playing. But it seems like you’d just be better off not wasting half your desk space with the TV and getting a small center or table and putting it next to your desk space.

>>9762538
I have a 27" set and sit 1 metre away and it's good viewing distance

>>9762542
Like I said, I personally didn’t like it. I wouldn’t say I had eye strain specifically, but something didn’t feel right. Maybe it sounds like splitting hairs, but I think 4-5’ would be my ideal. This conversation is probably going to lead to me being a psycho and carting my TV forward and back to test this again.
I wonder if aspects like wearing glasses affects our preferences, too.

>>9762505
Your pvm doesn't take component?

>>9762504
>the wii renders ycbcr internally
are you sure about that?
I would've thought the Wii does RGB natively and then converts to it

I like sitting far enough away from the TV that I can comfortably take in the entire screen at once. On that note, modern televisions are too fucking big.

>>9762572
move out of your parents' basement then

>>9762552
the back of my PVM is here >>9756656

>>9762560
it's what i've read. the gamecube's the same way. any rgb output from either console is just 4:2:2 ycbcr converted to rgb.

>>9756101
Fantastic setup

>>9762664
looks like you are right
I looked up the Wiidual mod and it cuts into that output before it get to the DAC

>>9753034
How big is that screen and what model JVC? It looks clearer than my lcd monitor and I want one!

question:
can I use pic related on euro TV to output s-video?
TV only has scart and composite

>>9763143
You have to see if the TV accepts S-Video signal or SVHS as it's sometimes called in manuals

>>9763224
I'm trying to find the damn manual but those fuckers want money for it.
I searched everywhere but it's all, "need payment to download"

>>9763143
dont u mean input svideo? if so yes, im pretty sure u dont need a tv that supports svideo as this block is just an adapter to convert pins from svideo to scart,

also if u open the block, on the pcb the svideo is connected directly to the yellow rca next to it, so u can use it as a passthru adapter, which is what i did for my old pc, going thru svideo from my gpu to crt, i was having issues due to the pc outputting 60hz, and my crt being uk pal, i had a black and white picture.

in the end i plugged the svideo out on my gpu into this block, then the yellow rca next to it i plugged into my crt and i managed to get a colour picture (the block wasnt plugged into anything, it was just to adapt the svideo to yellow rca)

>>9763428
Anon, if your tv doesn’t accept svideo signal you’ll just get composite through this

>>9763456
Anon literally said that.

>>9763482
He literally didn’t
>if so yes, im pretty sure u dont need a tv that supports svideo

>>9763456
>>9763482
>>9763513
i didnt literally say it, but going thru yellow rca its what i implied, composite is better than nothing,

also depending on ur crt ,u prob wont notice much difference between the two, sometimes u just have to settle with whatever works.

>>9763265
what model?

>>9763585
JVC AV-25TS2EN

>>9763548

>>9761984
i have the lagless vga>hdmi
and hdmi>vga

but i cannot make use of component signal with any of my tvs other than an aging 75" flatpanel (not really suited for fast-paced gaming)

>>9763548
I want a true S-Video, so of course an s-video cable is going through it

>>9763687
the adapter will work fine, it's a question of if the tv supports s-video through the scart port.

>>9763713
90% of TVs can

>>9763714
>90% of TVs can support Svideo through SCART
Are you sure about that?

<3

never change

Am I a retard for messing with my CRT geometry every time I play a different game?

>>9763779
Yes

>>9763779
That should only be a one and done sort of situation when adjusting your CRT's geometry when testing things with the 240p test suite. You shouldn't have to do that when playing different games.

>>9763859
Well, even the same console shows a slight different alignment for every game. And sometimes I switch between PAL and NTSC games, and I like to remove the black bars PAL games have. My Trinitron has a 4:3 to 16:9 button, I dunno if changing one changes the other but that would be a good way to eliminate those black bars I guess.
Should I stop fucking with the geometry then? Or do it once every time I switch consoles?
I don't mind overscan, but I guess I should stop being this autistic about underscan.

>>9763876
>Well, even the same console shows a slight different alignment for every game. And sometimes I switch between PAL and NTSC games, and I like to remove the black bars PAL games have.
Oh, I didn't realize that you were doing all that, in that case, I guess it makes sense to keep making adjustments, but that's outside of what I know since I only mess around with NTSC.

Doom is a well liked game

>>9764856
>drinking
>drinking alone
anon pls no ;_;
i only drink on dates (which is rare)

>>9764856
Sweet.

>>9747994
I have been trying to find a PC monitor for months but so far I've had no luck. personally I'm not willing to spend over 100 dollars for one

>>9763775
nice crt music anon

>>9761152
probably too big for your desk but i have this in my basement and love it

>>9761641
looks good to me
your tastes are not my problem

>>9762450
it's very likely depending on the company, the remote for my 90s Toshiba vcr controls the volume on my 2000 Toshiba crt without any programming

>>9764998
>personally I'm not willing to spend over 100 dollars for one
Because you have excellent standards, I can help you, unless you're in Europe in which case that's a bit more difficult. If you provide me with your town/city, how far you can drive for it, and minimum required specs (size/kHz), I'll go on the hunt.

>>9756631
...why did the ps2 have multiple usb ports? don't remember ever using them, or even seeing anyone use them

>>9765187
The eyetoy used usb, i think maybe one of the singing game's microphones too

>>9765197
wow, god bless that consoles designers
from the hard drive port to the usb ports you can really fingerbang that slut

>>9765187
There's a reasonable few online games with USB keyboard chat, some other MMOs or whatever as well as the odd FPS that use mice, and it also had Linux available.

>>9765218
is there a reason those accessories couldn't work using the controller port like on the PS1?

>>9758683
>If they were hidden people wouldn't be selling them on Facebook for $150
Disregard those faggots, they probably aren't selling them because of the component, they're pricing them that way because "I heard RETRO stuff is VALUABLE now, and this TV is RETRO!"

>>9758921
I would say that a CRT is a more advanced recapping project, if you're not comfortable taking something apart and then putting it together again, I would suggest practicing on solder kits, radios, motherboards, etc, before graduating to CRTs. The analog boards themselves are not super complex but you do need to know what you're doing because some of the capacitors can kill you (be sure to grab a high value resistor and short it across any of the large capacitors you find for a few minutes each). I do find taking photos helps me avoid headaches later on when putting things back together, so I would recommend doing it. Marking capacitors and knowing where each one goes is probably more important than marking cables.

>>9760406
Man that Toshiba is cute

>>9765187
For two player guncon2

>>9765223
You could I guess. Gamecube had a lower end Logitech force feedback wheel that used the controller port. But for niche accessories of the same type as PC it's simpler to just use the USB, especially if you want to use the controller simultaneously like SOCOM and MGO.

By the PS4 Sony started being cunts about drivers to make you buy licensed stuff, but back then none of the other consoles had regular USB ports and PCs didn't really factor in, plus to play GT4 you'd really want the licensed GT Force or Driving Force Pro more than the generic PC versions at the time so you'd get a d-pad and stuff for menus.

Finally got an S-video cable for my Sega Saturn. Testing it out on the regular Trinitron I've got.
>>9765187
I used one of them quite a bit with a USB keyboard for Phantasy Star Universe and Metal Gear Online. Also, Half-Life was compatible with both a USB keyboard and mouse.

>>9765336
And here's my Saturn S-video cable on my WEGA Triniton. It looks beautiful, but unrelated to the cable, my WEGA has a clear problem with the picture getting really blurry near the top of the screen. Is this something that can be fixed?

Anons, pardon my ignorance.. but CRT itself is PAL or NTSC? if it's correct, would a PAL console work on an NTSC TV? is that a thing or I'm mixing up the concepts?

>>9765546
That blurriness is definitely a convergence issue. It can be fixed but requires opening the back and making adjustments while the tv is on. Looks pretty alright otherwise.

>>9765569
Is replacing convergence strips dangerous? Why would the TV have to be on?

>>9765336
>>9765546
Game?

>>9765586
not him but it looks like this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Knight_Rayearth_(video_game)

>>9764998
My main sources are:
Facebook marketplace, which I'm sure you've done
Side of the street (rng based)
My favorite habitat for humanity, near me they put about 3-8 outside every weekend, all with cut VGA or power cords. I soldered my VGA cable and am never doing so again, but it's where I got the first one. Dell was from Facebook marketplace nearly 45 mins away. I didn't get them when I felt like it, they found me.

It's all about resources, patience, and a lil luck. And I would highly recommend taking >>9765093 anon offer. True best friendo

>>9765005
i have two of the same;
i feel like a hoarder but i dont care...
ive been watching vhs tapes on it almost every night

all the thrift stores in my town have officially stopped taking them :(
this is the end

>>9765672
im about to grab my 10th crt, you're not a hoarder yet anon

>>9765653
Yep that looks like it, thanks anon

>>9765559
The tube itself isn't PAL or NTSC, it's the question whether the electronics driving it support the signal.
Most PAL sets do NTSC no problem or at least sync to 60Hz (where without NTSC color encoding support you'll get black-and-white picture over composite, but RGB works fine). I have no experience with American TVs, but I doubt PAL or 50Hz support is as common.

>>9765583
You need to see what you're doing.

>>9763224
>>9763265
>>9763585
>>9763669
>>9763713
>>9763714
I got the manual, but I'm not sure if there's any mention about s-video.
https://files.catbox.moe/ro71wk.pdf
Looks like I'm out of luck here

>>9766059
No SVHS?

>>9766059
s-video is marked as Y/C. it's supported on both scart inputs, looks like, with rgb only on ext-1

>>9766070
The thing is not about accepting the signal though
The thing is will it display correctly

>>9766065
nope, no SVHS
>>9766070
which page did you find this?
>>9766086
now I'm genuinely confused

>>9766158
I’m just saying because mine accepts Svideo through SCART but you need to switch a setting with a button otherwise it will display incorrectly, I assume that it’s related to the fact that the both composite and svideo are sharing the input
Do you have a user manual or just the service one?

>>9766174
I found this online.
I think it does

>>9766181
Yep, mine works that way too, sounds like you’re good

>>9766182
Great
just one more question:
can I use a scart cable to get s-video? or do I have to buy an s-video cable?

>>9766191
You have to buy one of those adapters posted as far as I’m aware but I suppose someone may have made custom svideo scart cable but I think that’s a bit pointless
I have two SCART inputs, one to an RGB switch box and the other is a composite/svideo switch box

>>9766191
>>9766201
In theory you could get S-Video with a standard SCART cable. It uses one of the RGB pins (I think red) for chroma, while the usual composite pin is luma + sync.
It's up to the device connected. It would need to send an S-Video signal as described above and keep pin 16 low (composite/RGB switch set to composite not to confuse the TV).
That last part is not necessary, as you'd need to switch to the S-Video channel on your TV manually anyway, plus RGB and S-Video support on each input is mutually exclusive. On the usual AV2 channel you'd have a monochrome picture (as there's only luma on the composite pin).
I honestly can't recall any device that actually does this, maybe some STB or DVD player like that exists, but all I've ever seen only had a CVBS/RGB switch in the settings.

>>9766267
That’s fine and all but I still don’t get the point
Especially if he’s going directly from the console, it’s not like it will switch between RGB and composite seeing as most consoles have proprietary inputs

>>9766280
Yeah, there's no point really. It's possible, but rarely (if ever) used.
With a console that's just unnecessary complication. As you said, the connectors are proprietary, usually with all pins for different video signals being separate. So you'd have to put a two-channel physical switch on the cable itself to alternate between R+CSYNC and chroma+luma from the console, assuming we want to retain RGB compatibility.

>>9762114
>do don't have to do maintenance on non-electrolytics
Yeah, thought so. Just wanted to make sure if there are any parts that might need replacing as well.
>>9762114
>you could clean the sockets and controls with contact cleaner or isopropyl alcohol and compressed air. also do a visual inspection for any cold solder joints or anything that looks burnt or open traces or something
Visually, it seems to be alright.
Though I noticed that some pins of the SCART sockets aren't really soldered in.
Not that it really matters since I am going to replace it, just to make sure that it can grip the plug again.

Cheers.

Are there any pictures or videos of CRTs operating without the glass screen? I’ve always wanted to see that but search results reveal nothing.

>>9766314
I'm not sure what you mean, an electron through a yoke?

>>9766314
???
It won't work without the glass in the front, it's a vacuum tube.

>>9766325
an electron gun*

>>9766314
I don't think you can remove the glass?

>>9766314
Anon...
The glass screen is the crt

>>9766314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL29V1JPkHY
Maybe this is what you mean?
The moment the glass breaks the TV stops working

>>9766314
it would shoot all the tv beam at you if that happened

>>9766325
>>9766341
>>9766358
>>9766360
>>9766364
I guess I thought that the pixels were like lights (kind of like a lite-brite) and that the glass screen was there to protect it from being damaged.

>>9766486
Go look at an Oscilloscope
Or here these might make it more obvious how it works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BJU2drrtCM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea6tw-gulnQ

>>9756101
kino setup anon

Took this photo just now. Might start doing more of these comparisons. It’s almost unbelievable how much of a difference playing on a CRT can make sometimes.

>>9766486
The CRT display is a "laser" beam of electrons exciting a phosphor powder painted on the glass. It works completely differently than the LED array you were thinking of.
Though I think you might be onto something with your lite-brite idea. Circular microleds stacked like shadowmask phosphors, and a gaussian blur + fast PWM electronics could simulate a crt quite nicely.

>>9765093
Thanks for the the offer but I'm about to move, and I'm also going to have a lot more time to look for stuff
so I'm pretty confident that ill be able to find a some crts in two or three months, that being said does anyone know what crt this is? I might just be a retard but I couldn't find out what it is

>>9745662
>Ja
>Ne
Ne Brudi, ne.

>>9767861
No idea what the CRT is but it says it's a Compal P554 on that label in the picture.

>>9767861
No idea what the CRT brand/type is but the label says the monitor is a Compal P554.

As a kid I only owned CRTs with curved screens. As an adult the opposite. I guess because I've never seen or used them side by side I have no clue which is inherently better or if it ultimately matters at all. Seems more or less the same to me.

>>9768120
Because of the way a CRT works in a conical fashion
A curved screen will often look better towards the edges
A flat screen usually has more geometry and convergence issues towards the edges

>>9767997
Are you able to find any manuals for it?

>>9768364
Can't find it online. Are you considering getting that monitor?

>>9768386
I can't make a opinion on whether or not its worth driving for it, if I can't find any info about it

>>9768404
The guys is selling 3 crts 25 dollars each, 50 for all 3 but I couldn't find anything about the last one(bottom right)

>>9768404
Specs won't really tell you that, to be honest. You'd have to see it operational, in person, to make that call. Take it as an opportunity to have a nice little road trip.