/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9720335
I hope thet get fucked with data corruption.

Just another reminder that all things in this world are temporary

>>9720335
This is the only response that deserves.

>>9720335
So what seriously goes through people's heads? Because if I put myself in the headspace of someone who obtains a one of a kind prototype and staunchly refuses to release it, I can't possibly conceive of not at bare minimum dumping it FOR MYSELF. Do these people seriously not do that?

>>9720387
Ephemeral eyes ephemeralize ephemeral lies

>>9720402
They only know how to hoard.

>>9720402
Collectors don't necessarily know anything about what they collect.

>>9720338
Yeah fuck all of them. That’s such a shit attitude to have.
>”I’m just gonna keep this thing that I know needs to be preserved, but if I dump it the price will go down, but if I let it breaks the price will go down… ohhh god I wish I wasn’t such a stupid faggot!”

Reminder that every game has endless amounts of prototype builds like this and 99% of them are not preserved because corporations are even bigger cunts than collectors.

>>9720402
Well, the reason they refuse to release it is because the ONLY reason their one-of-a-kind prototype has any notoriety/value at all is because it's the only copy and nobody else can play it.
I think most of these fags do dump the game, but just have a local backup on their hard drive or whatever. Whenever people give them shit (and rightfully so) they try to weasel their way out by saying "don't worry, goyim! I have backups stored locally so the game is preserved :^)"

>>9720426
I'm asking why they refuse to dump it for themselves. Even if I was firm about nobody ever getting to see the thing, why wouldn't I make a copy for myself out of an abundance of safety? Especially for a fucking floppy disk.

>>9720430
I'm saying they most likely DO make personal backups. Even if they don't admit it (ie, feigning ignorance/ineptitude and using that as an excuse for why they can't release a dump)

>>9720426
They clearly don't have backups if they're panicking online about the original shitting itself.

>>9720434
>tehehe my ultra-rare game is literally about to disappear, silly boys
That's not panicking that's trying to increase the price of their game

>>9720434
I'm sure there might be some exceptions demonstrating true ineptitude, but it'd be the exception. Also even in this instance, it sounds like the fool that BOUGHT the prototype afterwards is the one who would be panicking. Not the guy who sold it. Who knows if that guy kept a personal copy before selling.

What I'm interested in is if people who eventually sell these unique prototypes for big bucks decide to pull a Bogdanoff and release a dump after selling off the cart, thus plummeting its "value" for the next guy, now that they themselves no longer own it

Genuinely don't care

>>9720435
So they do this before they're about to sell it. Gotcha.

>>9720402
Collectorfag mentality. They seriously get a boner from having a one of a kind product to flex on rando nerds on the internet, even when its basically worthless like prototypes. Anybody else remember that Kingdom Hearts Trailer guy who got BTFO'd into oblivion?

>>9720457
No but I like a good BTFO story so do tell.

>>9720402
Japs in particular think that unobtainable games have a "mystique" to them that is lost with dumping them and making them widely available. Which is true in a sense I suppose, no one would have cared about the stupid socks the cat game if it had just been a footnote in SNES rom archives and not been hoarded by a blueballign autist for so long.

>>9720402
>Do these people seriously not do that?
They don't know how. Collecting and technical knowledge are often at odds with each other in /vr/ (and other hobbies).

>>9720464

>>9720482

>>9720402
There are a ton of people who collect video games (not even just people who collect prototypes) who know nothing about repairs or maintenance. It genuinely surprises me too because why spend hundreds of dollars on this stuff if you have no idea how to take care of it?

>>9720335
They're honestly pathetic.
This is the closest they have to power, the ability to deny others what is basically a luxury good they're interested in preserving.

If you take that, and expand this desire to other things beyond this, you get why the world is in the state it is.
These kind of people tend to seek power, and then use it to deprive others of whatever they can for the minor, temporary ego boost.

>>9720335
Very entertaining to watch entitled children seethe over this bogeyman

>>9720402
The entire situation exists almost exclusively in the heads of poor angry children. Cases of things which can be dumped actually not being dumped are exceptionally rare. But in the vacuous heads of those children words mean very different things than they do in reality. "dumped" means "dumped and put online and made available to me to """preserve"""" and kept online perpetually with an emulator that can play it in case the drive with my one copy goes bad, because, you know people who """preserve"" things only keep one copy"

>>9720402
It is the endgame of coomlectors. They get something that nobody else has and they coomlect so hard that the thing they have is destroyed by their own hands.

>>9720402
Obviously, it can be greed, but it could also be the sunk cost fallacy. It happens in collecting booms and busts, and is not exclusively games.
The inherent technology of games makes rarity almost useless, but incredibly expensive for the small circle of people who care.

>>9720482
That would still be a pretty cool thing to have. Too bad he was a fucking faggot about it.

>>9720597
his twatter is still up, and he's some writer for some gay website

>>9720335
I'm not losing any sleep over a prototype of Metroid. You can't save every little piece of apocrypha in the world.

>>9720402
How do you even dump it? What do you have to do?

I get it to a degree. People argue about how EarthBound is still an expensive cartridge even though you can play it for free (which is true), but imagine if the ONLY way you could play EarthBound were if you had a cartridge. When a prototype gets publicly shared a lot of the mystique diminishes, and it becomes not that mystical relic only known through photos and maybe a video, but rather just another ROM for the digital collection. There's also the fact that a lot of prototypes are sold with minimal information about the build, so people will lust after photos of some NES proto cart because it could be some amazing thing, but then lose all interest when it turns out to just be a final version on a development cart. Why break the mystique, when you can wave around your may-be-amazing cart and sell it on the gamble of it being interesting.
For a lot of prototypes it doesn't matter, because despite what a lot of crying kids on the internet will claim, most people don't actually care about playing an unfinished version of some Eurojank platformer or a debug build of an SNES horse racing game, so the carts have minimal mystique to begin with, and the only reason people care in the first place is because it's something they can't have.

>>9720335
I think it's great. Things getting lost to history and being left as a mystery is fun. Spoiled rich fat fucks having their investments deteriorate into a pile of junk is also fantastic

>>9720757
>but imagine if the ONLY way you could play EarthBound were if you had a cartridge.
I suspect this is one time where the game not being available would have made it less expensive, not more. The only reason Earthbound is $3000 is because of its rabid cult-like fanbase. Which couldn't exist if it were limited to a prototype being kept under lock and key.

>>9720737
But think of the poor wiki editors and the trivia sections!

only thing I give a fuck for is Conkers 12 tales being leaked

>>9720587
I personally don't give a fuck about if anymore old prototypes ever get dumped or not. I'm not likely going to play them, so if they all rot/demag, it's no real loss to me. I'm talking about the general idea of preservation.
Digital storage is still so new, that we don't even know if it's the "permanent" solution that we currently think it is. We have no idea what's going to survive into the future.
Is it going to be the digital photos you have stored on a SSD/HDD or is it going to be the ones you printed off and put into a photo album? Is it going to be the copies you made or the ones your estranged family member has? We literally don't know.
You don't know. I don't know. No one knows.
Letting one person have complete control over the long term storage of anything, is a terrible idea. Whether it's some stupid prototype that basically no one is ever going to play or Wu-Tang's Once Upon a Time in Shaolin album. We're taught to not put out eggs in one basket, for almost all aspects of our life, but then also end up with these edge cases where we just have to sigh and let all our eggs be in one basket.

>>9720934
Why the fuck are you talking about eggs?

>>9720420
It has nothing to do with corporations being cunts. Game devs aren't going to think that build 3954a is worth a damn, when the difference between 3954a and 3954b is that 3954b doesn't brick the hardware.
Prototypes are only interesting when there's meaningful or interesting differences between it and the final version that we have access to.

>retard wants a (You)
>doesn't know how to reply intelligently
>doesn't even know how to shitpost properly
Not worth a (You).

>>9720587
If a game is only available to one person, it isn't preserved. What happens if he drops dead tomorrow and the dude working on his estate throws the old crusty hard drives in the garbage?

The only way anything can be preserved is if it's on the internet and accessible to the general public. Doesn't matter how many off-site backups you have, doesn't matter how many "contingency plans" you have where in the event of your death your hoarder buddy gets a copy in the mail, if it's not online or available at request, it isn't preserved.

>>9720597
>That would still be a pretty cool thing to have
It can be yours for $20 anon. It's neither rare nor difficult to get a copy of.

>>9720934
>we currently think it is
>We literally don't know
>No one knows
You're projecting a whole lot for someone who claims to not give a fuck

>>9721005
>words mean what i say they i do i make the rules i want i want i want waaaahhh
lol. That's exactly the kind of hilarious seething rant I find so entertaining

>>9720587
nobody is seething. they're laughing at you. not that it matters, those disks were never that reliable to begin with. it's possible it's had an error for a long time and can be fixed.

>>9721061
>>words mean what i say they i do i make the rules i want i want i want waaaahhh
not coping very well? that anon was right. another problem is that people have some rare shit, want it dumped but fear it will either get damaged, stolen (or possibly both) because sending things overseas or long distances isn't something everyone wants to do with their rare property. not everyone has the skillset to do the job themselves.
>projecting
maximum reddit cope. not everyone in this world is a demented failure like you, otherwise nothing would get dumped.

Reminder that the best way to stop hoarding is to stop giving the whole thing that much attention.

The more you keep seething, the more you keep complaining, the more you feed them. The more answers of this kind there are, the more glorified and interesting such items become. So, just shut the fuck up and move on. We know hoarding suck, we know it's not preserved, you don't have to repeat it every time, 300 posts threads only make it worse.

But of course this is like asking people not to fall into obvious low quality bait threads so it's a lost cause.

>>9720387
this

>>9720938
Yeah and neither did they think original assets for FF7 CGI were important. I mean Square REALLY needed those extra 2GB of space so...
It's one thing not preserving every build, but they're systematically deleting original files for every game

>>9721090
If no one is seething why did you reply with such weak unhinged cope? Sorry kiddo. "Dumped", "preserved", whatever other word you want to use, doesn't mean "one special little child can play the game in an emulator". Seethe moar.

>>9720335
How do they know that's corruption and not just a bug in that particular build?

>>9721224
In 1997 2GB of space was not nothing.

>>9721481
That's 4 CDs anon... And I'm not sure a bunch of models with low res textures actually would take up 2GBs.

>>9721497
>2GBs
where did you get that number from?

how did a youtuber like scott convince you guys to care more about nearly finished games of finished games more than finished games?

>>9721090
using the finish game to fix an unfinished game? brilliant, how did nintendo never think of this

>>9721501
Just a random number I put in my post. But think about it, the raw assets for CGI in FF7 are a bunch of pretty lowpoly models (by modern standards) and a bunch of pretty lowres textures. If you make those assets today they'd be under 1GB, maybe it was less optimized back in the day but same ballpark

>>9720335
>collector dies
>whole collection gets pawned off for pennies or just outright trashed
>the new owners are even more clueless and have no idea what they have
That's the destiny of all the hoarded collected crap

>>9720406
Black guy's black ice black eyes.

>>9721530
The uncompressed backgrounds and FMVs were probably pretty hefty for the time. And if you're in 1997 you aren't predicting those things being useful. Video game rereleases on later consoles was not really a thing yet. At most you had PC ports which would maybe call for 800x600. Nobody imagined people wanting FFVII on a future console with the same primitive graphics but at way higher resolutions.

>>9720335
They hoard without dumping solely to jerk their own egos off

>>9720482
This image is so delicious.
You have mental issues if you actually post something like this and then tell people you're purposefully keep it away from them. This couldn't be more poetic.

>>9721604
I think it reveals something about human nature. Like sure, there's a certain population of gunners with money who deliberately try to grab any one of a kind they can, either by going to the sources directly or buying them off of the rando who finds them at a yard sale. Then they do their "look at me" dance. I get that person, as in I understand that its their "thing." But this image reveals that literally anyone can become that person. There's no way this guy was in that mindset before finding this DVD. He didn't even know what the fuck he had so he's obviously just a random guy who likes Kingdom Hearts. But give even the slightest hint that he found gold and suddenly "look at me!"

>>9720387
>>9721203
Buddhist retards kys

>>9720335
I doubt they have anything good, excluding prototypes

>>9720420
Nintendo has everything. Literally everything. Giga leaks proved it

>>9720469
False. Japanese don't share and hoard because they're tired of foreigners stealing all "their" treasures, and some misguided belief that releasing it violates the wishes of the creators and the law. Look at the reaction of the lead dev for that neo geo fighting game proto that popped up some years ago

>>9720776
>>9720737
Truly the autism of people who are are perpetually online and obsessed over Protos with 4 byte differences knows no bounds.
Meanwhile warlock of the fates still isn't dumped.

>>9720335
that Metroid screenshot has no corruption, the tiles are in the correct position with clearly legible graphics, albeit the wrong ones.
...that's just an unfinished game that they didn't draw yet lol

>>9721840
It could be many things, but it could corruption of some of the code data making it load the wrong graphics. Truth is there is no knowing what it is unless we have the ROM

>>9721595
>uncompressed backgrounds and FMVs
That's not the RAW raw data, the RAW raw data are the 3D models and textures used to create those backgrounds and FMVs. If you have those you can create 1 to 1 3D remake of original locations using old 3D data

>>9721907
> but it could corruption of some of the code data
i highly doubt it, if the disk were truly corrupted, there's no way the game would have loaded at all. one wrong tiny little bit flip in ASM and BOOM the whole program goes to hell.
the fact that it loaded at all means that everything is probably fine.

>>9721806
Nintendo is unique among game publishers. Probably because of their long history as a toy company they had a culture for cataloguing because you'd want to store blueprints and other physical objects you'd need for continuous manufacture, which also means they likely have robust storage space compared to companies that started in software. They're definitely the exception.

>>9721821
It might be a legal thing, too. Japan's IP laws are wacky. It's why every anime suddenly has a paragraph long title. It's not like "Dragon Ball" anymore. Now it's "I Fell Into Another World And My Mother Is A Sexy Wizard: How Will I Escape?! Or Do I Even Want To?"

>>9722062
That's not necessarily true. The NES is so rudimentary that it makes it surprisingly durable. It's why the minus world works. If Super Mario Bros. loses the logic of it's pointers and targets random data, it can build strange levels out of it without crashing.

>>9720387
>videotaping a sand mandala

>>9722171
Whats your problem, fuckwad?

>>9722175
You don't see the perversion in permanently recording an artwork created and dismantled for the explicit purpose of representing impermanence?

>>9720335
>undumped games
Dont care. Emulation is mostly shit anyway.

>>9720572
>seek power, and then use it to deprive others
Narcissist currently run this shit show you call the world.

>>9722265
Those who want power don't deserve it, those who deserve it don't want it.

>>9720412
>Not just being a big brain and buying the disk, dumping its contents, reselling it for full price, and then releasing the dump on archive.org so the next guy takes the hit in value.

Bro, do these hoarders even day trade?

Reminder that there is an officially localized version of the first Torneko Mystery Dungeon game that never got released, that some German dude is selling for 50k euros on eBay.

>>9721623
Yep. Despite all the kids who pointlessly posture about how if they had some undumped game they'd upload it right away, a lot of them would probably be among the first to run to reddit and wave their epeen about how they managed to get some rare game that other people don't have. It's easy to say you'll do whatever until you're actually in the position to be able to do it.

>>9722290
He'd be lucky to get 5k Euros for it. Unless an investor hypeman/WATA shill like Frank Cifaldi decides to promote it, most prototypes don't grab the attention of the really big spenders.

>>9720335
It's a prototype to a game already finished and released. Who cares?

>>9720936
Because you have to eat all of them.

>>9720787
Atleast we know Rare has it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnvVbdEs7c

I know its already tainted by zoomers but man I really want to see more of it
For all I know its another Yoshi's Island beta situtation where they had the entire game done but scrapped it (it is said the game went through multiple dev cycles anyway)

>>9721595
>And if you're in 1997 you aren't predicting those things being useful. Video game rereleases on later consoles was not really a thing yet.
This is a really fucking funny take considering they turned right around and rereleased ALL PRIOR FF GAMES (and Chrono Trigger)

>>9721595
>Video game rereleases on later consoles was not really a thing yet

That was a thing since the 4th gen. Actually earlier than that if you count things like Pacman on NES.

>>9722102
That's a light novel gimmick, you're only seeing it in anime titles because light novel adaptations are getting more common.

>>9720469
Didn't the Socks the Cat game finally get dumped because the guy hoarding it had to sell it to pay off debt or something?

>>9722498
Why are you doing this?!

>>9722636
A few years after FFVII, sure. The tail end of the PS1 it started to happen. Square did it and then Capcom did it with the Mega Man games. But during FFVII's development? Nobody was thinking that would be a thing. At best you had a handful of ground up remakes like Mario All Stars.

>>9722102
??? one of the biggest current anime ips is literally just called Chainsaw Man, that's even more straight forward than Dragon Ball.

>>9722642
Pac-Man was an arcade game. That's not the same thing because it took years for adequate home ports of even games from the early 80s to show up on home consoles. There was a carrot to chase in those instances.

>>9722102
>Japan's IP laws are wacky. It's why every anime suddenly has a paragraph long title.
That's not why. It's due to an ongoing meme among authors. It's an ongoing joke among light novel authors to give their series the extremely long names that basically describe the whole synopsis of the story. Naturally, anime adaptations of these novels will have the same title.

Anime adapted from manga do not have this problem because this meme doesn't exist in the manga community. That's why anime based on manga have names like "demon slayer" or "ayakashi triangle"

>>9722102
What?
Those names are just a marketing tool so you can get the whole "plot" without having to read a summary.

>>9720335
I'm not losing any sleep over it. I want to play games, not unfinished prototypes that are basically just a narrow hallway with slightly different tiles. It's just something for YouTubers to make a video about so they can earn that sweet ad revenue so quite frankly I really don't care.

>>9722890
>>9722891
>>9722102
It specifically happens with light novels because the spines of the books are uniformly boring, so writing obnoxiously long titles on them is the only way to make them stand out

>>9722939
Also because you need to get people's attention somehow, and a description of the plot is a better way than some generic title.
Manga doesn't have this issue since it's published in anthologies so it will catch people's attention as they read through the magazines.

>>9722939
It has nothing to do with the spines. Japanese book stores display new releases with the cover facing outwards. It's literally just a meme among authors.

>>9720335
The "archivists" are also collectors. In fact, the easiest way to get rare items for your collection is to tell other people that you're an "archivist"

>>9722957
Listen chief I've been to Japanese bookstores and bought Japanese books and there are publishers that actually make the covers horribly nondescript
You can keep trying to convince me it was made up ex nihilo as some kind of super AIDS mind virus but I'm done replying so there's no point

>>9722973
I'm literally Japanese.
>there are publishers that actually make the covers horribly nondescript
We're talking about light novels. That doesn't happen for light novels. The publishers always hire illustrators to draw the cover, and they also put multiple illustrations throughout the book. You're a retard and you don't know what you're talking about.

>>9720335
There is nothing wrong with stealing from one. Nothing wrong at all. Almost every prototype is stolen property anyway.

Rarest thing I own is perhaps my copy of of the World of Warcraft Panda-Expansion art book, signed by the dev team and Christ Metzen.

>>9722956
>Also because you need to get people's attention somehow, and a description of the plot is a better way than some generic title.
Bullshit. It's just "Batman" not "I'm a Rich Orphan But I Dress Like a Bat and Fight Crime!"

>>9722986
Batman debuted in issue 27 of Detective Comics, he caught people's attention by being in a book they were already buying.

>>9720473
This. Collectors are not enthusiasts and are often just greedy money-grubbers who have no real passion for whatever it is they collect.

>>9723020
Can we stop with the cope memes already? Most people who collect games do so because they're passionate about playing them, and the more knowledgeable people in the community tend to be collectors also because they're the ones who knows how to repair and restore broken hardware and games (obviously not all of them but my point still stands).

The trust fund kids who collect games as a tax write-off because "it's art" are few in number and they're all "employees" of WATA.

>>9720387

its fake

>>9723046
Buddha is cooler than Jesuswkrnr

>>9721405
Dude is a 33rd degree game preservationist. He can tell by some of the pixels and from having seen quite a few corruptions in his time. Also his uncle works for nintendo.

>>9723020
What a fucking retarded statement. The true enthusiast was into this shit back when people couldn't give it away. They got into it because they had actual interests, not because it was trendy or a financial asset. It was literally someone elses trash. And who the fuck do you think was uploading these roms in the first place?

>>9720335
you can't stop people with lots of money doing it and it sucks but thankfully 99% of the shit like this that gets sold is stuff no one actually gives a shit about or is so minor in difference from the released title no one still really gives a shit.
autism is powerful and it will always be there as long as humans exist.

>>9720482
Oh this one is great.

>>9722698
No, he had been trying to sell it for a while and these two brothers bought it to do a legitimate release and make money off it. I don't think it went as well as they thought it would.

>>9723046
>asking forgiveness from a supernatural being
vs
>using ritual to align yourself better with the world around you
These are not the same.

>>9722274
I think they have to sign contracts promising not to dump the game or someshit. It’s a whole fucking conspiracy that’s for sure.

>>9722328
Yes, if Obama said only one good thing it was “be the change you want to see” I am constantly archiving and uploading more or less rare stuff of the rom depot and mega. I’ve never actual had a game that wasn’t dumped, but I would probably dump it here first, kek

>>9723392
>align yourself better with the world
Supernatural mumbo jumbo that's no different from talking to god, who's a personification of the world around you anyway.

>>9722912
>interest in prototypes is just a YouTuber thing
It's probably more of a thing for people who are interested in even the minor history of the games they love, people who want to re-experience a favorite game for the first time, and those who grew up with gaming magazines and non-final promo screenshots and developed a fascination with how said coverage differed from what they were ultimately able to play. Zoomzoom fascination though, yeah, some of that's probably a combination of the little brother effect and actual autism.

>>9723424
>Supernatural mumbo jumbo that's no different from talking to god
Not exactly, no. It's true that prayer and meditation have a lot in common and probably bring similar benefits for similar reasons, but what turns people off from Christianity is all the pretense about sin, guilt, punishment, forgiveness, etc, whereas with Buddhist meditation it's a much less pretense-laden, "Sit still, relax, and clear your mind." The presentation of the idea makes a big difference.

I hope that more devs do what 343 is doing with Halo Digsite, where they're going through all their old builds and trying to find and release all the interesting shit they can.

>>9722208
no, because one day even the digital archival of that mandala will be lost to time

I'm still mad bros.

>>9723125
lmao,come back to me when buddha has a badass end of the world where he destroy his ennemies.

>>9723392
>she's litterally me
>your crazy bad. my crazy good
You're right. You're literally nothing but a collection of regurgitated memes.

>>9723560
>your crazy bad. my crazy good
Yes. But more specifically: >>9723475
Meditation, prayer, and ritual in general have very real positive effects on the human mind and body. I just prefer it without all the guilt and threats of hell.

>>9720335
everytime one of these hoarders has one of their betas/prototypes leaked an angel gets it's wings

>>9720482
I love everytime this gets posted in a hoarder thread

>>9720335
Which arcade games has this happened with ?

>>9723590
90% of the time prototype dumps come courtesy of the owner of the cart or disk/disc.

>>9723620
Obviously. How else is it going to happen?

>>9723620
sometimes multiple people own betas/protos for a game and one of them has a change of heart and dumps it for free and the rest of them seethe endlessly

>Japanese game prototype
Almost assuredly a localization candidate built only a couple of days before the actual release.
"Oh gee, this version had a misspelling of battle to batle. What a difference!"

>>9723640
yep japanese hoarders never dump anything and hate the thought of gaijin getting a hold of it

>>9723580
>I just prefer it without all the guilt and threats of hell.
dont blame us for trying to warn you,hell is real and you will most likely end up there,no meditation will save you.

>>9723491
I'll never not be mad

>>9722171
>>9722175
>>9722208

>>9722208
One could argue the point is the practice rather than the subject.
The artwork is irrelevant, and the principle of the act is worth preserving and propagating. That's not perverse in my eyes.

>>9723713
>broke
downloading sand mandala
>woke
deleting your copy of sand mandala

I'm so fucking mad about the klonoa gba proto

>>9723580
>I don't like threats of hell
>I like the reality of hell that this zoombie apocalypse hellscape nu-/vr/ is
Whatever floats your boat mate

>>9721326
> compulsive lying failure gets btfo again
why are /vr/'s resident compulsive lying failures like this?

>>9720402
Half mental illness, half just wanting to be an asshole. I swear they are autistic savants. They are capable of tracking down down copies of early builds of some game that was left to collect dust in a closet in Japan for decades by contacting some literal who dev they some how know has the key to the closet and convince him to give them an early build copy. However once they have it it's like their IQ immediately drops by half and they don't know what to do anymore and they decide to store it in their basement that regularly floods. These people have a ton of issues and it goes beyond collecting. Obtaining, holding on to, and watching rare games get destroyed is how they get their kicks especially when they know it pisses off everyone else.

>High class art collectors
>Regularly lend their collections to museums so they can be displayed
>Plastic storage devices from the 80s "collectors"
>No this shitty NES demo is for me and me only

>>9720436
i suspect the physical hardware is part and parcel of the game's value to these people. I doubt they play them, or have any interest in the board/carts/etc. beyond simply owning it and knowing enough about it to prove it's authentic.

>>9723491
What happened?

>>9724092
>n-n-no u

I have dumped every single rare thing I have obtained and immediately uploaded them online. Movies, games, music, everything

>>9724215
Based, and thanks for giving me free stuff I guess

>>9724143
A guy found a working xbox devkit and made a post on reddit about how he stripped it down and turned it into a super kewl pc case. The commenters told him he was an idiot and asked him to try to dump the hard drive or send it to someone to recover potential data but he got mad at them for dissing his so clever idea and was super smug about it.

>>9724215
So did all the other crying poorfags ITT. They have all dumped and uploaded every single rare or valuable thing they've ever owned. In fact, each and every one of them have hand delivered a copy of every single rare or valuable thing they've ever owned to me in person. Literally rode in on a full grown jesus raptor and served it up right off J.Lo's ass. I'm not making this shit up. This has happened with every single rare or valuable thing they've ever owned. True story.

>>9724215
Based. Same.
>>9724351
Hello chat.gpt

>>9720587
>poor angry children
I'm not angry because you wasted your money on shit that would only become one of the garbage roms in a full set.
If it doesn't have a (U) and a [!] it's not worth playing, simple as.

>>9724494
So why are you angry?

>>9724260
Calling him an idiot before telling him to dump the HDD was Internet retardation at it's best. If someone has the ability to still be of value to you then you don't want to give him a reason to be spiteful. They should have approached it like a hostage negotiation.

What the fuck happened with RE1.5? It's been "coming soon" for the last 10 years

It's shitty but there is nothing that can be done about it, the whole point of collecting stuff is that they are rare, though of course since a lot of this shit actually is data inside the disk and not actually the disk, it makes you wonder if collectors are not shooting themselves in the foot in the long run since the content itself will be impossible to be verifiable in a while, meanwhile it becomes a disk that the current owner claims once had a prototype on it.

>>9724726
It died with all the controversy, it's not RE 1.5 anymore and just a hack, similar to what had happened with Pokemon R&B first source leaks, the fucking retard made a whole website mixing it with his fancanon and it took a while for people to realize some of it was the real deal, like in every community there are ALWAYS retards trying to insert themselves as part of the story.

>>9724753
>It died with all the controversy, it's not RE 1.5 anymore and just a hack, similar to what had happened with Pokemon R&B first source leaks, the fucking retard made a whole website mixing it with his fancanon and it took a while for people to realize some of it was the real deal, like in every community there are ALWAYS retards trying to insert themselves as part of the story.

NTA you replied to but this is why I can't stand certain communities. You always have some weirdo autist trying to fit their fancanon into something instead of presenting it as is.

>>9724991
The prototype community overall is very decent with very rigid standards, the retards are always outsiders.

>>9725014
I was mostly talking about the Pokemon community, but it's good to know the prototype community is decent.

>>9723035
>the more knowledgeable people in the community tend to be collectors
[citation needed]

>>9725019
What people realized is that protos were routinely falling in the hands of a small stable of high rolling collectors with money. They either had the free time to hit every flea market on a weekly basis (back when that was a plausible venue for getting deals) or could outbid anyone on Ebay whenever something randomly appeared. The only option was to collectively work as a unit so that the group could pool their resources and make those purchases with the understanding that the people running the group would follow certain protocols after obtaining the item. It's actually a really good example of how socialism can benefit the public.

>>9725039
https://nvmusa.org/

It's founded by some of the most prolific collectors in the industry.

>>9720436
>Who knows if that guy kept a personal copy before selling.
anyone would be a fool not to

>>9720402
The HOOORDER
>I'm HOOORDING
>Just fucking HOOORDS

>>9725019
>>9725053
It's also not uncommon for them to actually work with some collectors, usually they pay the collector for the dump though, since it's possible the item will fall in value after being dumped.

I really wish we had a dump of Megaman X1 prototypes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtLVhqxdMvI&t=472s

7:52

>>9720436
>What I'm interested in is if people who eventually sell these unique prototypes for big bucks decide to pull a Bogdanoff and release a dump after selling off the cart, thus plummeting its "value" for the next guy, now that they themselves no longer own it
If you have long term skin in the game, that would be pretty stupid and a sure way to burn bridges. And no, not just with collectors, but imagine you're a preservationist who scrounges up a decent chunk to buy a proto with the intent to dump it, only for the previous owner to cut you off and release it first right after the sale. While the end result is effectively the same since the data would make it out anyway, the person who bought it loses their chance at recognition (which is absolutely part of releasing prototypes, for a number of reasons), loses their chance of having other people help offset their expenses (it's hard enough to get beggars to help pay to fund releases, even harder when the data is already out there), and ultimately makes the seller come across as an asshole. And besides, most people who have the wherewithal and/or funds to obtain rare prototypes probably are beyond the point of caring about "dabbing on" the people they sell to just for the sake of it, unless given some specific reason to hate their buyer

>>9725086
Yeah, the whole collector scene is based on trust, some stuff like prototypes may not even run on actual hardware and may be hard to verify though, specially when you consider the data is likely to degrade over the years

>>9720402
its dont
you dont buy ultra rare memeshit NES prototype carts for 6 gorrillion dollars or whatthefuckever to play them
they buy it as an asset
and scarcity makes an asset more valuable

thats the whole thought process
its a fucking retarded thought process, since dumping a fucking rom obviously does it absolutely no harm, and also saves it from literally being erased by time
but yea
its just an asset to them. and in their tardworld a rom existing on the internet for free is a possible threat to that assets value in spite of that being provably false, since MOST ppl nowadays get into /vr/ thanks to emus and shits as expensive as ever

>>9725075
>since it's possible the item will fall in value after being dumped.
i dont get this at all desu

the crowd thats buying these types of things isnt buying it to play it, and the kids pirating a rom of it arent pirating it to hold it up and show off a picture of it to their coomlector twatter followers

the two "markets" dont overlap at all so idk how one would affect another
if anything, youd think being aware that some ultra rare proto ver of megaman X1 would actually serve to increase the value, since more potential buyers would be made aware that such things even exist in the first place

>>9725092
To be fair, a proto being dumped or final can indeed hurt the sales value since preservation-minded buyers will tend to stay away. As a collector who's won auctions and shared many prototypes over the years, I absolutely would not have paid as much for a lot of what I've won had the ROMs been previously dumped or confirmed final.

>>9725113
hey i mean its your money

i just think that shits weird and doesnt make any sense
id think if more buyers were aware it exists, and still only one physical copy exists, itd do the opposite

>>9725113
>since preservation-minded buyers will tend to stay away
ahh i get it

still weird tho

>>9725092
>>9725112
>>9725113
>>9725115
NTA but I agree with him, it's speculation of how much it will it be valued at and not of how much it's actually worth, if the possibility the game may fall in value after being dumped exists of course this will influence the value of the sell and any payment fort he dumping too.

>>9725120
lol no worries m8
im just a hardline fucking pirate and have been since i got non-dial-up innernet so the idea of value or things like that mean zilch to me. i simply consoom

it makes sense our understandings of vidya and its value are diametrically opposed

>>9725112
The funny this is that the high roller collectors aren't really all that interested in prototypes. Yeah sure they buy some for stupid amounts, but to reference your Mega Man X example - you would get more money for a factory sealed mint condition WATA-slabbed MMX than you would a MMX proto.

>>9725131
I am not collector either, personally I don't really like the idea, I am just saying the whole mindset of the collectors' scene revolves around speculation, though I am sure there are specific items or stuff they personally like owning, though I do agree with you that an undumped game is a waste.

>>9725139
yea thats the other thing
theres a lot of different tiers of collectors and not all of you deserve to be painted w such a broad stroke

like theres that guy who posts here with the girly handwriting on the post-its who posts pics and seems to have literally every fucking game in existence
i dont see that guy as my mortal enemy
but those mint in-box factory sealed memesters i view as a literal blight on all of vidya

>>9725139
Mostly becaus the demand for those has existed for much longer, there is not even proof that a megaman x1 prototype even still exists, so there is no good way to determine how much it would be worth.

>>9725075
My white whale are the several Chrono Trigger builds. The early ones look wildly different. I don't think they've ever been found though. Knowing Squaresoft they were probably used to balance a table leg.

>>9725151
That was just an example, but what I said has held true for other prototypes. Mint sealed games are simply more desirable investment pieces.

>>9725161
>more desirable investment pieces
it just makes my skin crawl

i get flashbacks of that one vid that guy did exposing the whole WATA thing. theres that one clip of that dweeby lookin jewish geek standing in front of his basic-bitch-tier NES game collection of fucking SMB1 and LoZ talking about how hes starting a fucking hedgefund and it makes me wanna go spreekill an auction house or whatever lol

>>9725075
>Megaman X1 prototypes
The fuck? Who the hell is that?

>>9725173

>>9725174
There is also a subwater enemy that looks like a swimming reploid that is destroyed very fast and the sea serpent has different face sprites

>>9725173
If you do maybe we can get some of those prototypes back lol

>>9725174
Claw Bearus

>>9725113
Has there been all that many examples of this happening? I can't think of an undumped proto that sold for stupid money, got dumped, and then sold for a pittance afterwards. The market is going to ebb and flow naturally, especially for something with such boutique interest as a prototype. But the fears that dumps will cripple prices seems theoretical rather than empirical.

I think it's more likely that people are OVERestimating the value of these things, even when undumped, and then get disappointed when it doesn't sell for a million bucks. I bet these things are selling for what they're worth but if they don't hit expectations people will blame the existence of the dump for it regardless of whether or not that had anything to do with it. That Nintendo PlayStation prototype "only" sold for $300,000 but people were expecting it to fetch millions. If that hits a ceiling then everything will. Barring the occasional bubble, like the WATA nonsense, that is.

>>9725220
>Has there been all that many examples of this happening?
im the anon he was disagreeing w, but hes prolly right

in my mind, more buyers, same amount of scarce product = line go up
simple, right?

but he has a point
esp w prototypes, prolly half the buyers for such a thing are other conservationist-minded nerds who wish to buy it to not only collect, but dump it themselves
you take away that, and boom, suddenly half your buyers are gone
makes sense

>>9725220
I don't keep up with them, but off the top of my head, Monster Party Famicom tanked after it was dumped. Like it sold for several thousand, but after a dump, the cart was resold and went for maybe $800 or so.
I do agree that people way overvalue prototypes in general, because the people dropping $50,000 on sealed games are not generally very interested in prototypes.

>>9722062
kino atari 2600 cartridge art.
they need to bring that back.

>>9725241
And your right that it does "make sense." I just don't think we've seen it play out that way. At least not to my knowledge.

>>9725242
At best it's a losing proposition then. Because it turns into a game of hot potato. Everyone assumes that the value will plummet after a dump so they will only pay a lot if it's undumped. But then when you buy it you're automatically "holding the potato" and need to get rid of it before a dump shows up, either because another copy is discovered, a previous owner had a dump in secret, or just because of Internet magic. If your goal is to resell then, sure, buy high and sell higher before a dump appears, hoping that you don't get screwed in the interim. If you're buying to keep it because you just love prototypes and have no plan to sell then a dump is irrelevant. But if you're buying high because it's undumped and then you have to pray one doesn't appear because you aren't thinking about selling but ONLY care about it retaining value, then that's nothing but a piece of physical stress in cartridge form sitting on your shelf for eternity.

>>9725279
And now you discovered how wall street works and why everything is crumbling down

>>9720335
imagine caring about prototypes and drafts beyond "huh, neat. (moves on with life)".

>>9725324
It's no different from enjoying games simply for playing, it's just another facet of the experience.

>>9725324
i mean if youre some rich bitch sitting on a big ol pile of money, theres certainly a lot of asinine things you can waste it on. no matter what it is you buy, its always gonna look wasteful to the have-nots

buying a rare prototype of some game you like makes a whole lot more sense to me than the twats spending $100k on fucking SMB1 cuz its still wrapped in shrinkwrap and has the warehouse workers farts sealed inside
i mean what kind of numbskull doesnt own SMB1? thats the thing that really throws me for a loop with the whole WATA fiasco. its like they googled "top 10 classic NES games" and decided
>yea u know those games that literally everyone owns and knows about?
>thats at least a couple million dollars
>but ONLY if muh plasticwrap is in pristine condition
for ex shatterhand is a pretty great late NES title. pretty rare too. but nah lemme buy LoZ for 6 gorillion dollars instead

at least the rare prototype is something unique, and they usually look pretty cool since they need to have the capability to be re-writable

>>9725426
>prototype is something unique
Most investors don't really care about the games beyond them being moneymaking assets, so to them the fact that a proto cart existed before the game came out and was used for development, preview/review, or sales promotion and could have unique code doesn't have any meaning to them because they don't have any attachment. A minty fresh copy of some super popular game? That's easy to understand even for outsiders, so of course that's what they gravitate towards.

>>9724215
keep up the good work

>>9725426
I bought a sealed SNES controller and opened it mostly for the smell. Turned out it had degraded over time and there was only like 1% of it left. I'll never forget what my SNES smelled like when new. Gamecube too, it actually used to make my whole room smell like a good circuit board smell.

>>9720335

It's what they get for not emulating

>>9721632
No. Suffer

>>9720335
let them seethe

>>9723640
It's honestly insane how these chronically online losers get so worked up over prototypes with 2 kbyte differences

>>9720402
Usually money. If they dump the data the disk is worth less.

I don't give a fuck, even if you're a gigantic NEET I'm amazed you have the time to play every slight variation of a game with the thousands of games over decades available already. The OP absolutely looks like a lanky maladjusted school shooter faggot IRL I promise you.

I dont know why these retards dont do a fundraising type thing

If we reach X amount of dollars i will release the rom to the world type thing

That way the people with these rare items get to make money, and everyone gets the game.
They would get more money that way aswell as you can get money from multiple people with a fundraiser instead of just 1 person in an auction type situation

This thread reminds me of the guy who restored the original Star Wars 85%, (his words) I mean, he made it look better than most film prints. He possibly got to where the original negative was in terms of information and image quality with his ways of combing film prints-and he's not going to release it. For fear of being sued (ok) and also some respect for Lucas in destroying the original, even though that makes no sense. Then he said that maybe before he dies he'll upload it.
Now, I do not hate the guy, but I don't quite understand him.

>>9723610
Beavis and Butthead comes to mind. Akkr Arr (spelling?) as well, but someone straight up stole the ROM images from a collector's cabinet behind his back after being explicitly told not to touch it. Now the game is available for sale on the new Atari collection.

>>9729552
A few have tried. Generally, the publisher appears and threatens legal action before the fundraiser ends.

>>9730273
The "stolen rom dump" was likely bullshit the collector came up with to dump the game without being blacklisted from collector circles.

>>9730301
It does seem like it because dumping ROMs from an old board on one that you supposedly don't own and have no rights to and further you'd have to do it quickly seems like a stretch.
Stranger things have happened, but I think you're right.

Retro gamers are weird.
>I have this rare one of a kind demo build/unreleased game
>I'm never going to dump it
>I'm going to sell it on Ebay for 5k
>I'd rather destroy the game before dumping the rom
Whereas movie buffs:
>X bluray has fucked color timing
>I have this 70mm print of a film with an alternate scene and a different audio mix than the bluray
>I have this 35mm print of the theatrical Star Wars
>I have a 35mm print of Songs of the South
>Let's crowdfund building a scanner and doing a 4k restoration of a film ourselves as well as pumping 10k of my own money into the project just because we love movies

>>9730339
There's a bunch of faggot movie buffs sitting on old only-one-copy-in-existence shit they're not sharing too.

A couple of the earliest fucking Disney shorts are sitting in private collections with no way for you to watch them.

>>9730339
Plenty of old games get dumped freely. Also, you have to keep in mind that a lot of retro game proto collectors aren't actually rich, so of somebody scrounge up a few thousand for a rare prototype, it's probably all of their disposable income for several months lumped into one purchase, so of course they're hesitant to toss the core of the value of it (the code) out there without compensation.

>>9730339
Movie reels/VHS/DVDs hoarders do exist.
The most recent case that comes to mind was a Pixar DVD that was given to some select employees in the 00s.
It was basically an archive of commercials and other small projects Pixar animation was involved with from the beginning until that moment.
A lot of those commercials and shorts were considered lost media.
So they eventually find a guy who worked there and had actually had the DVD but refused due to copy it due to being a boomer about it.
I don't remember this correctly, but one other guy discovered it by rummaging through her death aunt's stuff. He posted he had it for the updoots but wanted to sell it for an insane price.
Then some other guy found a copy from his grandpa and just dumped it all on youtube.

>>9730339
The real version of 2001: A Space Odyssey is being hoarded, as is a super-sharp super clean NON-DNR Star Wars, and no one but the richest of fucks can watch them.
Filmfags are some of the worst elitist, probably far worse than gamers.

>>9720936

>not understanding a metaphor
>posting on a public forum to reveal that you dont understand metaphors

dude...

>>9721405

you're right that it COULD be, but Its also a floppy disk.
It's much more likely to be corruption.

>>9723610
Kung Fu Master 2
This genius privately dumped it and decided he would also emulate it himself. He sold the board on ages ago and kept trying to make it work, but the backgrounds were all fucked up. A decade later he gave in and released the ROMs.
Only the reason the backgrounds are fucked up is because they're encrypted, and now the board is gone (so it can't be used to reverse engineer it) they will likely never be emulated.

Hoarding rare stuff is cool and fun. You can't play with my special toys

>>9730718
But you don't even play or watch them, you just are in love with the option to do so that we lack.

>>9720335
Yeah, it was me who bought all those prototypes of your pixels. And guess what? I burned them all and you can't do shit.

>>9730768
Betabros? It's over...

>>9730254
hoarders gonna hoard. but at least in the case of Star Wars, we've got Harmy's Despecialized, which (correct me if I'm wrong) is pretty darn close to the real thing.

>>9730768
Post proof of the destroyed prototypes with timestamp.

>>9730254
That's Mike Verta. He's a massive faggot. I used to talk to that guy a lot on the OT.com forum. He started huffing his own farts shopping around his project like he could get it picked up by Lucasfilm officially. Basically what he does is he combines hundreds of frames from the same movie, because with analog film duplicates, they're all from the same master, but no two copies of the film are 100% identical. It's actually an extremely clever film restoration process. Now he's trying to shop around his film restoration process even though it's extremely time inefficient and not at all worth it if you have the original camera negatives.
>>9730851
Look up 4k77 and 4k83 and thank me later. Basically fans did a complete 4k restoration using 35mm film stock exclusively. They've been out for years but are hard to find on public torrent sites. Empire wasn't done because the film stock they had to work with was red faded to shit and damaged. For all I know, it's out already. I haven't kept up with that community in years.

>>9730863
>Look up 4k77 and 4k83 and thank me later.
I'll thank you right now, will definitely delve into this. Looks like 4k80 already exists as a beta, it's getting there with the help of a 35mm fuji print and a 16mm reduction with quality color. This is some good shit, even if it's not 100% yet.

>>9723821
>downloading sand mandala means broke, but you are woke if you delete it.
>woke
Bullshit, dr. Dingdong dipshit. Woke is clownery, and I am not poor.
>>9722208
>>9722171
Taping a sand mandala is not the same as being a participant of creating a sand mandala, Fuck off and LEAVE the internet for an Amish Commune and CHURN THE BUTTER, or join a Jain monastery where you can commit ritual suicide, a la starvation.

>>9730882
>Taping a sand mandala is not the same as being a participant of creating a sand mandala
Where did I even remotely suggest this is case? It just seems to me that an observer permanently recording an artwork intended to be temporary goes against the spirit of it.

>>9730878
Here you go. There's different versions, some have digital noise reduction, some don't. Like I said, it's not on many public trackers. Good luck.
https://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/project-4k77/

>>9730863
>Now he's trying to shop around his film restoration process even though it's extremely time inefficient and not at all worth it if you have the original camera negatives.
Yeah but in the case of SW because of bad film stock and Lucas's meddling, it might not exist as much as you'd expect, so Verta's project may just be *the* penultimate version of SW.
I just hope he gets sick of waiting and releases it.

>>9730851
>hoarders gonna hoard. but at least in the case of Star Wars, we've got Harmy's Despecialized, which (correct me if I'm wrong) is pretty darn close to the real thing.
True. I even bought bootleg Blu-rays of those, totally worth it too.

>>9724682
I doubt much was gonna come of it at that point. If I recall, people first did ask him to dump the HDD and asked him what he did with the parts and he said that he tossed everything since the HDD was too small for his build and didn't know what to do with the other parts. That's when everyone turned on him. Was smug about it at first but started crying on how it was his first build and just wanted to show it off. Just a dumb kid who got something that people would kill for and did dumb kid things.

>>9724142
Yeah but the value and notoriety in these things stem ENTIRELY from the fact that they're (publicly) undumped so no one else can access them. If they were dumped, they'd just be one more footnote in a pile of forgettable prototypes and mediocre unreleased games. For example, Socks the Cat being notable entirely for its owner being a cunt who just takes shitty potato camera photos of the game and doesn't dump it. Take that away and it's just another bland forgettable 16 bit platformer nobody would give a fuck about.

>>9730891
No. The sand mandala is a lesson for the person who creates it, having to destroy something he spent countless hours on. The recording was clearly made to inform outsiders about the ritual of creating and destroying it, not to permanently preserve the art itself.

>>9731886
It depends. Sonic 2's beta has more notoriety than Socks the Cat and that was released pretty fast. Its the content that matters, not the thing. Socks was notable for being an unreleased, nearly complete game.

Earthbound 64 is the only one I'm still fascinated by. In development for 5 years and collectively less than 30 seconds of actual gameplay shown.

>>9730383
The difference is that those people are, like, actual rich elites who were given those prints by the original creators. Game hoarders are more like the people who find copies of those missing Doctor Who episodes in a dead relative's attic and refuse to give them to the BBC unless they're paid some ridiculous finders fee and the pomp of a hero.

>>9730893
I'll have to collect these for the peak Star Wars experience. It does seem to be a bit scarce, Harmy's is a good holdover in the meantime, especially for ESB.
this reminds me, it's a bit of a tangent, but... I have a couple porn videos sitting on my HD that were taken down in the purge -- one is high quality painal, the other is a Chinese qt getting her feet tickled, and I've actively appreciated both desu. Any recommendations for uploading/distributing them?

>>9732061
>those people are, like, actual rich elites who were given those prints by the original creators
>were given those prints
lol

>the people who find copies of those missing Doctor Who episodes in a dead relative's attic and refuse to give them to the BBC unless they're paid some ridiculous finders fee and the pomp of a hero.
Has that even happened? From what I head the Who fans have been fairly helpful.
But anyway, it seems that in games it's far worse with more bullshit, case in point, no one is getting threatened with a lawsuit when they find a lost film or lost film elements, but the game companies and coders come out of the woodwork and make threats every time.

>>9732061
If anything the first group should be more willing to share freely. People in the second group are likely relatively poor and of course can (and should) take any opportunity presented to them to get recognition and payment.

>>9731920
>Socks was notable for being an unreleased, nearly complete game.
Partly, but there's also the Totally bizarre concept of a game based on Bill Clinton's cat which had political caricatures and parody as part of the gameplay. Nowadays that wouldn't be a big deal as games have become more filled with politics, but for a 90s SNES game that was certainly something unique.

>>9725061
>national video game museum
Just more coomlecting

good try janny. Up we go.

>>9732818
The good stuff has to be saved somewhere.

>>9733761
word

>>9732818
>Museum
>coomlecting

>>9732673
What are you talking about? Clinton was in everything in the 90s. He was playable in NBA Jam and mentioned in Lunar's "translation." Outside of video games he was in the intro of Animaniacs.