/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9716213
I just stole mine for free

>>9716213
They're on Facebook marketplace for free whenever some boomer throws them away. But he careful, you have to get there first, and chances are some obnoxious faggot decking all his halls with CRT's cause he's a scalper faggot (his wife hates him) will probably beat you to it and roll up in his fucking van with the other CRT's he's picked up earlier that day. It's a never-ending cycle of aspiring scalpers too, as scalpers will even pay top dollar for these TV's and then mark up the price themselves. There's millions of these fucking TV's but there is an artificial bubble because of scalpers, I would be very happy if the market crashed so these scalper homos get divorced by their wives for packing the house with dozens of tube TV's they wasted thousands of dollars on and can't liquidate. Cunts. There's an unreal faggot in my city who has two garages worth of this shit, I've never been more tempted to rob somebody.

>>9716226
They're not just scalping the PVM's either but any and all CRT's. Fuckfaces are selling 50hz-only shitboxes with no RGB or stereo for $100+ (not that I'm personally interested in RGB). Others are even trying to remove the modest CRT's from existence and RGB modding them before selling. I had to get my CRT from another city because over here it's a fucking travesty for this shit, it's full of scalping degenerates who need to die. I HATE RENT-SEEKING BEHAVIOURS I HATE RENT-SEEKING BEHAVIOURS I HATE RENT-SEEKING BEHAVIOURS I HATE RENT-SEEKING BEHAVIOURS GET A JOB YOU SCALPER CUNT LOSERS

>>9716226
>>9716238
The more you want something the more you gotta pay for it, it's the system working properly and as it was intended to work

I paid 20 bucks for mine before all the youtubers started making videos about them. I very rarely even use it, emulation and shaders look almost as good and are more convenient.

The secret was getting them back in the early-to-mid 2010s when they were more readily available and scalpers hadn't gotten them all. Nowadays its impossible to get one for a reasonable price unless you just get really fucking lucky finding one locally that's somehow still sitting around at a hospital/studio/liquidator. But you'd probably need to spend so much time going around to different places and rolling the dice to find anything that doing so wouldn't be worth your time either.

The good news though is that they're not necessary. I love my PVMs but you don't NEED one. Nowadays there's plenty of information on how to mod a bunch of different consumer sets for RGB, or you can get a transcoder if your TV accepts component. Is the TV line count as high? Is the image as sharp and perfectly calibrated? Well no, but we're talking about free (or nearly free) vs hundreds for a 13" or potentially thousand(s) for something 20". And you'll never be able to get a professional monitor that's a nice size like the 27-36" consumer sets.

pic-related is my sega genesis through an RGB-to-component transcoder into a 27" consumer trinitron. I think that's plenty good.

>>9716238
scalping consumer sets is honestly pretty hilarious. I'm imagining someone filling their entire house with big old shitboxes, sitting on them for years hoping to what... make 100 bucks when you eventually find some retard willing to come over and buy that shit from you?

At least with scalpers cornering video games, carts/discs are small things that can reasonably be stored. But I just don't see how it'd be financially worthwhile to bother storing a bunch of CRTs that you don't even use, just in the hopes of EVENTUALLY selling them.

>>9716213
honestly just get a regular CRT. You dont need triniton PVM

>>9716238
>50hz-only shitboxes with no RGB or stereo for $100+
Damn. That's a good deal. Half a century old round tube antiques. I don't think they've even made 50hz only TVs for the 3rd world shithole market in over 30 years.

>>9716213
It's not called the PVMeme for nothing. Just get a normal CRT with decent input entries for 20 bucks like everybody else (then spend 150 on meme cables to see no difference in image quality).

>>9716314
How much do to pay for air?

>>9716213
No, get fucked.

>>9716402
I pay taxes for the right to breathe it

>>9716213
Want to know the real secret? Stop searching for terms like "CRT" or "PVM" and be patient. You have to search for things like "old TV" or "tube TV" instead. Any faggot out there who knows what a CRT is knows that other faggots like you want one and will gouge you for it. What you're looking for is some old boomer who's cleaning out their now dead 90+ year old parent's den and are clueless about what they have and desperate to get rid of it all.

>>9716475
Issue there is that anyone with a pvmeme isn't going to do this. It's not like your boomer dad just had one in the spare bedroom all these years and just called it "an old tube TV". Good advice for finding decent consumer sets though, any listing that specifically says "CRT" is going to be some kike labeling it "RETRO CRT GREAT FOR VIDEO GAMES I KNOW WHAT I HAVE FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FIRM"

But on that note, there are definitely search strategies for pro-monitors too. I got mine back in 2015 for cheap because I specifically searched for olympus monitors rather than "PVM", even though olympus models like the OEV203 are identical to certain Sony models, just with a different nameplate on the front. But eventually more people caught on to that and it stopped being a viable strategy. Even then for a time, you could still get good deals on pro-monitors from other brands like ikegami/JVC/panasonic, but eventually those too were found out about.

>>9716213
>on how you’re able to afford these Trinitron PVMs
Restaurant serving actually. Great money. Shit environment. Glad I'm out now.

>>9716510
True. If you want an actual PVM you're basically fucked at this point

>>9716213
>reasonable price
Assume most people bragging about owning professional monitors are lying and paid through the nose. On /vr/eddit you should actually assume said posters don't actually own anything at all. The brief period of time when no one wanted these is long gone

>>9716213
I just looked for consumer grade CRTs for free or close to free. Most I paid was $10 for a Sony Wega Trinitron.

Total scalper death

Roundhouse kick a scalper, pummel a scalper to death, defecate on scalpers, gun down scalpers in the street, club scalpers with hammers, tear off scalpers' arms, throw a scalper into a woodchipper, inject scalpers with HIV-tainted needles, dissolve scalpers in vats of acid, impale scalpers, drink from scalpers' skulls, strap bombs to scalpers, kill scalpers

>>9716213
Have you seen a PVM in person? I realize it's not always that easy but I would not recommend buying one for retard money if you don't know what one looks like right in front of you. You might be like me and find that you prefer the consumer look because that's what games looked like growing up, not the thick black window blinds you get with professional monitors.

>>9718303
um wut? You sound like the type of cock smooch that would own one and still use AV composite.

>>9718312
If proper waterfalls in Sonic makes me a cocksmooch then I guess I'm a cocksmooch.

>>9718323
vgh... so much sovl...

>>9718531
kek

>>9716213
I got mine years ago when $100-200 was "too much" for people who refused to pay more than free. Now it's too much for me at $800-2500. I'm happy to have a few multiformats now and I can retire with that. Also you really need to have a nice consumer CRT, it's so worth it.

>>9716213
No

>>9718531
So this is truly what the developers intended...

God it feels good to emulate and not be a colossal faggot

>>9716213
I think the "reasonable price" ship set sail a long time ago. I paid $100 for mine last year. It's only 14".
They're not necessary at all. I was pretty skeptical about them until I played on a friend's and decided it would actually be worth the money to me. I don't think the higher TVL count really makes much of a difference when actually playing games and not taking smartphone pictures from three inches away, but I do love having a small-ish CRT with built-in handles and flat sides that takes S-video.

I'd be pretty surprised if you couldn't find a good CRT at a pawn shop, an electronics recycling facility or on something like Facebook Marketplace or Craigslist. I bought a 27" Trinitron for ten bucks off a guy on CL a few years ago, and while I doubt you can get anything that cheap these days I bet you're still more likely to find better deals in general on CRTs that are over 20". A lot of people just want this stuff out of their houses.

>>9716213
What you need to learn is what makes the PVM desirable. Once you understand that you can look for CRTs that have these features without the PVM-brand tax.

>>9719750
>I paid $100 for mine last year. It's only 14".
$100 is reasonable for a 14" PVM. I'd even call that cheap.

>>9716213
Look for jvc security monitors if you really want an affordable pro monitor. Most of them are s-video and composite only, but you won't be able to tell video quality difference between rgb and s-video anyway.

Or get a decent pc monitor. Just be patient and you will find stuff for free. I just traded a GDM-F500R for a USB stick last week. Got my high end Trinitron and made a boomer happy. Hardly any PVM or BVM will match these PC monitors in terms of color accuracy, resolution flexibility and just overall image quality. The only thing that sucks is the plastic casing.

>>9716359
this, a crt is a crt. Just enjoy the soul of your unique experience, at least it's not blown the fuck up on an hdtv

>>9716372
There's plenty from the 90's and 2000's, it's why PAL releases were slower in the first place

>>9716213
Just gotta grind you local online marketplaces. It took me months to muscle in on one at a reasonable price, bloke sold his old one for $40 and I brought it out the same minute it hit the market. It sucks, but that's the way these things are.

>>9716213
You dont need a shitty PVM. just get any TV from 90s and 2000s and you're golden.

The only thing I'd be interested in a PVM for is that they're multisync which is legitimately useful. Are there any inexpensive options for that?

>>9720446
multisyncs are overrated. Especially because they're astronomically expensive even by PVMeme standards. If you want to do 480p or higher just get a PC monitor.

>>9716226
>>9716238
Supply and command anons, that's the way it all works.

>>9720448
It's more for arcade games. They can be a bitch about this. Mortal Kombat's refresh rate is fucking 53.2 Hz.

>>9720474
fair enough, although I doubt that's the main reason why most people jizz their pants over muh 20L5 or the later BVM series.
Didn't think about arcade stuff though, is MK 24khz? I know that was a weird thing done by some arcade monitors.

>>9720478
That's definitely not why people mostly want PVMs but it's also the most valuable reason to have one. I'm just stuck because I don't know any good options for that that won't break the bank and, frankly, will actually LOOK like an arcade monitor rather than a PVM.

>What's the secret
Got them when they were cheaper. You were too late OP.

>>9716213
>trinitron
cheap is relative but you'll be lucky to find one for less than ~$500. not impossible by any means but no one on here is going to be able to give you any leads, you have to do the leg work.
imo a crt is a crt and you really just want one that isn't going to crap out on you too often.

>>9720274
>it's why PAL releases were slower in the first place
You mean in the late 70's when people were playing atari over RF. Yes. By the 2000s I don't even know where you could find someone making a 50hz only TV. Even cheap garbage made for 3rd world shitholes could handle 60hz. Have you been getting your opinions from youtube again?

>>9720817
Mate, I'm Australian and grew up wondering why Mario 64 ran slower on our Nintendo 64 than on the N64 emulator on me older brother's Xbox. It's only beginning with the 7th gen that EVERY single game ran full speed here—the vast majority of 6th gen PAL games were compromised, to say nothing of 80's and 90's consoles.

>>9720817
Even if the TVs supported pal60, the consoles back then did not. Up to fifth gen you were 'fucked'

4th gen and earlier just ran 17% slower while 5th gen just had a slower framerate

Wasn't until gamecube/ps2 where we got partial support for pal60.

>>9720984
So at what point did you become an expert on all those 2000s 50hz only TVs?

>>9721059
Even if the TVs supported 60hz then they supported 60hz and that's the end of it. Crying that some toys didn't take advantage of it doesn't change history and turn 2000s TVs into 50hz only.
I have a famicom that does "pal60". Official, not a mod. You zoomies really need to lurk moar.

>>9721584
Famicom is not a NES you could buy in general PAL territory stores.
Stop calling bullshit when all the official products released were just standard PAL 50hz machines.
Also broadcast signals were just 50hz in the 90s, there was also the widescreen palplus for a short while but also restricted for backwards compatibility reasons.

You are mixing up TVs with consoles, and the original guy you responded to was talking about a pal n64.

I wonder if you were even alive back then, you sound more like you are quoting wikipedia or reddit or something.

>>9719870
This is probably the best advice in the thread. I think a lot of people shopping for these kinds of CRTs don't realize that lots of security monitors that JVC and Sony made generally just used the same exact tubes that are in TMs and PVMs.

>>9716213
I paid $150 for a 14", and $300 for a 20". I was able to afford this by never buying an LCD TV.
People probably spend more than $450 on some huge ass living room LCD TV. Which I don't need and don't want. I don't play modern games and I sure as fuck don't want modern shows or movies.

>>9716213
I live in a 3rd world country very far from everything, so I thought I'd never ever find one, but last year I bought a 8" PVM at a flea for $4

So, I guess if you go out to the usual places for junk one day you'll get one

>>9719870
>>9721709
The only downside is that a security monitor is REALLY likely to have burn-in or be generally dimmed from thousands of hours of use. It's the same downside as using authentic arcade monitors. You can obviously find good ones but it takes a lot more investigation and you probably want to see it turned on beforehand.

>bought a PVM 20L5 in 2014 for $350
>they’re now going for $2900 on ebay

>>9722134
That is very true. I own an SSM myself but definitely made a point to ask the seller to show me it actually in use before I took it home.

>>9716472
I havent paid taxes in 5 years and the air has never tasted sweeter.

lol retarrs be dropping benjamins for 14 inch tvs

>>9722189
>be dropping

>>9721609
>the original guy you responded to was talking about a pal n64.
No he wasn't. He was talking about CRTs. This is the post >>9716238. You've been desperately trying to change the subject, but failing and coping. Now you've lost your shit so bad you're projecting and can't even form a coherent sentence.
>Famicom is not a NES you could buy in general PAL territory stores.
lmfao, what is that cope even supposed to mean. Rhetorical question. You should absolutely not risk further embarrassment by answering it. Or anything else until you're at least 18 years old.

>>9722134
You have a point there. It's more tricky compared to ex-medicals, which are much more likely to have been well-serviced and often even have a new tube. I guess I have been lucky in finding spare monitors with low hours. They have also been commonly used in R&D and for demos at fairs. Although the demo units tend to get beat up during transport.

Coindidentally, ex-medical is another somewhat reasonably priced way to get a PVM. Still expensive, but you won't be paying RETRO GAMING ULTIMATE CRT markup prices. 200€ for a 14" Sony or Olympus is doable.

>>9722083
>>9722189
A CRT isn't worth more than 50-100 dollars, depending on size, age and quality of the model of course. If you paid more than that for a 20 year old consumer TV then you've been scammed. If it's a particularly rare model or one of the more recently released PVMs you could go into the $200-250s but no way should you spend more than that.

That's my opinion and how I'd spend my money, although you might see it differently. There's lots of local ads in my vicinity of people giving away CRTs or selling them for extremely cheap (like in $10-20 range) and they're not just small TVs either, paying that amount of money is absurd.

>>9722148
Seems like everything is a grift these days, everything needs to be speculated upon. People are buying CRTs for thousands and Mario 64 cartridges for tens of thousands. What a world.

Not even gonna lie to you OP. Just steal them from some retarded scalper or hope you find it online from some boomer.
I personally go for the former because faggots like the ones mentioned in this thread make me angry, and I get even angrier when retards defend slimey money grabbing behavior saying shit like "it's the system working!!". It makes me wanna steal their shit even more out of spite for being willing NPCs.

>>9724128
That's how I found my PVMs, although we're talking about 7 years ago. It was very easy to get olympus-branded endoscopy monitors for dirt cheap because everyone else was specifically searching for PVM-branded monitors.

>>9716314
fuck off with that shit

humans are fucking parasites

no good thing goes unabused

"free nespresso in the office? better take the capsules I like back to my desk before _someone else_ hogs them all lol"

"oh no, now there's no free nespresso how could this happen people are so evil"

>>9722178
Mr. Snipes, I just want to say I'm a huge fan.

>>9724180
>A CRT isn't worth more than 50-100 dollars, depending on size, age and quality of the model of course. If you paid more than that for a 20 year old consumer TV then you've been scammed.
I think that's a good price range because it leaves room for normal courtesy. The two extremes are out of line. No, I'm not going to pay $600 for your "great for gaming" television. But the other extreme, never pay a dime for something people leave on the street for free, also isn't really sensible. I think it's a situational thing. If a guy wants to get rid of a 36" Toshiba and helps you load it into your truck? Even if he says it's free and just wants it gone, I'd feel like a dick not throwing him a $50.

>>9724180
>A CRT isn't worth more than 50-100 dollars
To you. How much is a 60" OLED worth to you? That's how much a 20" PVM is worth to me.

>>9725283
>How much is a 60" OLED worth to you?
Absolutely nothing? I would never buy a display designed to fail, and 60" is a worthless stopgap.

I paid 300 bucks for a 43" IPS, that was about the sweet spot for a 4k monitor. I'll pay around 600 bucks for an 85" 8k monitor in 10-20 years. Oh, and my 20" PVM cost me 50 bucks because I bought it before all the retards caught on, and 90% of that cost was in shipping because it came on a pallet.

>>9726659
nta you're larping to but that's one of the most embarrassing larps I've seen on /vr/ today.

>>9716213
I have over 20 of them in storage at the moment. Picked them up from garage sales and so on. Won't sell until the prices go up some more. I'll keep collecting them thank you, it may just fund my retirement.

>>9728713
lol see you at GFC 2.0

>>9728717
And the irony is that although I have a storage unit packed with CRTs, I don't even use one at home for gaming, I prefer a nice modern TV

>>9728757
>paying $75 to $150 a month to sit on old TVs that people are giving away every day for free
I unironically hope it's a somewhat temperature/humidity controlled environment. If not, in 5 years you'll be sitting on a garage full of 50+lb paperweights.

>>9728757
>>9728791

>>9718312
I've got me a cheap pvm and I love the composite image, I even use a passive composite switch box for added quality

>>9724623
You should try being happy. I find this kind of attitude is a self fulfilling prophecy.