/vr/ - Retro Games

Counter-point: the unreleased XBLA port holds up

>>9727750
Doesn't it have better controls than the original tho ?
When a game "doesn't hold up" 99% of the time the main problem are clunky controls.

>>9727756
goldeneye's main problem is the frame rate. it's better with a modern controller but it was designed for the weird N64 pad and it has auto-aim out the ass to compensate.

Most 70's arcade classics like Space Invaders and Breakout don't hold up.

>>9727732
If Goldeneye doesn't hold up then why did I enjoy it when I first played it back in 2019?

>>9727732
the 60 fps + mouse and keyboard pc patch makes it play very good

Goldeneye holds up just fine. Maybe the controls are janky but visuals, level design, music are all good. There's probably 0 bad levels in the whole game.

>>9727732
I wish Goldeneye held up but OP is completely right. It's the damn tank controls, just too jarring and awkward to actually be much fun anymore.
My contribution: The overworld sprites from final fantasy 7. Fucking garbage lego men ruining an otherwise beautifully aesthetic game. I still love that game tho so IDK if this even really counts

>>9727772
I wish I could stick my hand through your screen so I could slap the shit out of you

>>9727793
So I guess Doesn’t hold up then? The controls are outdated?

>>9727793
>tank controls
Just switch the control scheme. That's your fault for using the standard setup. As a 7 year old even I had the mental capacity to go into the menu and change the scheme to 1.2

most old games are better with mods so by virtue all of them dont holdup

>>9727732
Perfect Dark and any TimeSplitters sequel alone beat Goldeneye

>>9727732
The slowdowns-ridden library for this 2.68 mhz atrocity.

It's just too gamey.

>>9727732
every n64 game

>>9727732
I’m convinced that everyone who says goldeneye doesn’t hold up is trying to play it on an emulator with an Xbox controller or something.

>>9728047
>genesis fags have finally defaulted to "slowdown" as an argument against the console that pooped on them, lacking any other reasonable argument
Sonic 1, Gunstar Heroes and Gauntlet IV are tantamount to the only good games on the system dude, it's time to move on. SNES won.

>>9728073
n64 emulators actually look/run better than rh n64 wtf are you talking about

>>9728076
not him but, snes sucks
https://youtu.be/uxpeMQiqT-Q

>>9728079
They run at a faster framerate, sure, but that’s not how the game was designed. As far as looking better, nah, goldeneye looks way better on a real n64 on a crt. Also no other joystick really acts like a n64 stick. Cope and seethe, emupoor.

>>9728076
>Sonic 1, Gunstar Heroes and Gauntlet IV
Funny you should name those 3 games in particular, which have ZERO equivalents on the SNES. Next you will complain about the Mega Drive only having Alien Soldier?
>genesis fags
I appreciate all the performant 16-bit hardwares. equally. The SNES is not performant.

>>9727732
the one to rule them all...

>>9728092
no n64 game running on rh look better than emulated, because the n64 is pretty low res and blurry

>>9727732
I just recently beat the whole thing and unlocked all the cheats on 1.3 controls
great game

>>9728098
I’m guessing you’ve never seen a n64 game running on real hardware.

>>9727732
I think the problem is that c-mapping to an analogue stick or some other combo of buttons never feels quite right and I'm sorry but I'm not playing a fucking N64 on real hardware in 2023. Still love the hell out of this game, though.

>>9728116
bought one, sold it 1 month after
its the shittiest console i've ever played

daily reminder that if you can't adapt to any control method, you suck at video games.

>>9728123
Didn’t look good on your 4K tv huh?

>>9728132
I use a curved trinitron retard, and it looked like shit

>>9727732
goldeneye singleplayer is still fun, multiplayer is not.
id say nes jrpgs as a whole dont really hold up anymore. the few i play are good for nostalgia but its hard for me to imagine a new player enjoying them. endless hours of mashing.

>>9728127
this. imagine having such a low IQ you get filtered by the concept of holding forward to move forward lmao

>>9728052
retard it holds up just fine. I played it for the first time less than 5 years ago and it has become my favorite game of all time

>>9728076
Super Metroid is the only good SNES game. Everything else is either inferior to its NES counterpart or has a superior Arcade version.

>>9728263
Not an NES fan either, but the principal is the same as to why I agree, all it's games have better counterparts in arcades or on the many more powerful 16-bit hardwares. The SNES just does not do anything well on it's own.

>>9727732
in high school we would always play the aki wrestling games but there was always that one faggot that wanted to play 007

>>9728275
>want to play licensed male soap opera video games
>call someone else a faggot
Oh, the irony

I played it for the first time two years ago on original hardware. I thought it was great

>>9728052
it's not, i played this for the first time last year and it's amazing. currently doing a revision playthrough

>>9728068
N64 is great but croc on psx and Saturn is better.

>>9727732
games don't age dumb itoddler, if it's a good game it's a good game
goldeneye was never good

>9727732
>aged
>don't hold up
Kill yourself subhuman

>>9727732
It's fun for remembering the game, otherwise, I agree it wasn't that great. The reason, I think why everyone loved it - is because it was (the first?) the only multiplayer fps for a console and you didn't need internet to play it. Ps1 had some but you had to network them I think

>>9728092
Ha you're somewhat right about the crt (the filters look good anyway) but the controller thing you're wrong about. Just configure it well and it should be fine

>>9727732
inb4 a shitstirrer posts the first three Crash Bandicoot games

Single player of goldeneye on og hardware is still amazing, he who says otherwise is an homossexual.

>>9728068
Nah mate

>>9728068
Most of them don’t but there are a few that I still go back and play every once in a while.
>SM64
>Star Fox 64
>Mario Kart 64 (still the best Bowser’s Castle track)
>Ogre Battle 64

>>9729497
Shit how could I forget the GOAT console wrestling game:
>WCW/nWo Revenge
Only bested by two arcade-only titles.

>>9728859
you’re retarded bro, i had a nintendo64 as a kid and absolutely loved this game, both single player and mp with friends. games absolutely can be judged differently in the context of a specific time period. only a dumbshit zoomer like you who didn’t grow up with the technical limitations of earlier generations wouldn’t understand this simple fact. kys bitch

>>9729515
>N64 baby
of course lmao

>>9729528
you will die alone without ever knowing true love or self acceptance

>>9729515
>nostalgia
not an argument, also games run and look better on ps/saturn/dreamcast.
there is no excuse

>>9729531
says the weirdo tendie with retarded frenz

Ocarina of Time is the most overrated game in the history of vidya.

>>9729726
/thread
and ootfags should stop shitting up the board

>>9728076
What's the point of responding to stupid bait with even dumber bait?

>>9729726
>>9729732
is this becoming a popular opinion now? for the record, i was saying it before it was cool.

n64..... bad.....
grrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>9729726
>>9729732
>>9729762
Don't care if trolling or not, but the big problem with a lot of games from that era is that they're purposely designed to not tell the player what to do so. The goal was to get you to subscribe to Nintendo Power for a guide, make you buy a guide book, or to fuck over people who were renting the game who didn't have an instruction manual. That's what OOT is designed around. You'll have to restart the game like 3 or 4 times because you missed an item if you're going in blind. There's also a lot of backtracking and a lot of trial and error.

>>9729814
what? i've heard this said about the early nes zelda games, or some old text adventures, where missing an item at the start of the games can screw you when you get to the end, but how does this apply to oot? if anything, this was when zelda games were getting excessively hand-holdy.

>>9729814
>but the big problem with a lot of games from that era is that they're purposely designed to not tell the player what to do so.
oot isn't even hard, its just, well, boring

>>9729762
its not cool its just how it is, I used to only play tendie shit but then I started to play other games on other platforms and i came to the conclusion that oot is a faggy overrated boring game on the same level as starfox adventure

>>9729783
its garbage

>>9727791
>There's probably 0 bad levels in the whole game.
Statue is pretty bad, There's a lot of waiting and it's just a mess to move around in

>>9729924
yes, auster nintendo bad

>>9729924
my what a cute a little rally game

>>9729932
>australia
I'm not, meds now or back to gayddit

>>9729935
its shit, like every other racing game on the n64

>>9729936
yes you are.

>>9729814
This is retarded, after the NES/SNES era OOT basically had a guide built in comparitively. Even if you miss the characters telling you where to go in every cutscene, N'avi tells you where to go every 5 seconds also. Were you really expecting there to be Skyrim quest markers in this game?

>>9729943
I'm european you niglet

>>9729952
OI ME SPECCY

>>9729978
i said european not ukunt

>>9729931
It's one of the lesser good levels but I wouldn't call it bad. It's got a neat spooky atmosphere

>hold up

>>9727793
>tank controls
you should not be talking about video games

>>9728052
>too gamey

...have you actually played Deus Ex, or are you making a joke? The crosshair expands like crazy when you aim at an enemy, then you have to wait for the crosshair to significantly shrink before you shoot an enemy. You can't just run around and shoot guys like other first person shooters.

>>9730341
It was indeed a joke and if you add a couple of points to your desired weapon skill, the crosshair business becomes a non-issue.

>>9728097
Telenet games have their charm but most were janky

the best telenet game i've played is Exile on pce which isnt more than an 8/10. the pce remake of Valis 1 is also decent

>>9728052
My only gripe with Deus Ex is the times you have to return to the new york hotel block. The map quality is atrocious.

>>9729753
Because ever since /vr/ allowed Gen 6 console discussion, it practically invited /v/ to it.

>>9727772
It's been the opposite experience for me. I started gaming with the Genesis and playing old arcade games like Space Invaders, Breakout, Arkanoid, Frogger, etc., they seem like perfect games in that they have one set of rules or one or two mechanics and just execute them in their purest form. They're simple but there's also nothing to muck them up.

>>9729814
You're fucking retarded if you think OoT was designed around that. Like actually mentally deficient. Navi exists for a reason, and if you need more hints than what she gives you're probably just low IQ and should play something else.

>>9727732
I think the reason people are calling the controls bad is because modern sticks are nothing like the N64 stick, so when it comes to aiming they can't handle just how precise you need to be (something not offered by modern sticks). N64 also offered a shitload of control options, both Goldeneye and Perfect Dark even had double controller options that are closer to modern shooters, but I guess nobody remembers this stuff anymore (or they're fakers that never played the game in the past).

>>9728818
>croc on psx and Saturn is better
Croc fucking sucks and it was never good you stupid ass apologist

>>9728883
>Just configure it well and it should be fine
"should be" sounds like excuses emulator developers make
the original N64 controller has never been properly replicated, even superpad64s don't feel the same

>>9730849
not him but i think its better than gayrio 64

For me it's Ultima IV. My whole life I've heard people describe it as this amazing, one of a kind adventure that defined the modern open world CRPG. But then I played it and felt like I was in Colossal Cave Adventure again. Just too damn primitive and slow for me to enjoy. Especially the combat, which is not only absolutely tedious, but also unsatisfying.

>>9729753
Because ever since /vr/ allowed Gen 6 console discussion, it practically invited v/ to it.

>>9728083
wow, cool, a tech demo. that's what really matters, not the game library.

>>9732178
>>9732186
Maybe some people just don't like the SNES? Maybe it's more and more people realizing that the SNES just doesn't hold up like it's contemporaries after all these years? What's wrong with that? You're welcome to go play your little SNES Mario and Metroid games in peace.

>>9732236
segatards aren't people

>>9732236
i'm just saying it's the games that matter, and "muh superior hardware" is just cope.

>>9732308
Superior hardware enables superior games.

>>9732370
Ah yes, I remember all those superior 64 bit Jaguar games.

>>9730823
This. Fags that think Pong doesn't hold up have generally never actually seriously played Pong. Shit gets pretty intense when you have two fairly skilled players.

>>9732236
>topic is about retro games and which ones aged bad
>comes in and says 'lol entire console and all of its games are shit!'
You clearly were trying to bait and derail with a flamewar. No matter how many excuses you make will change that.

>>9729814
>That's what OOT is designed around. You'll have to restart the game like 3 or 4 times because you missed an item if you're going in blind
this isn't remotely true.

>>9729814
The only Zelda games I had to use a guide for were the Gameboy ones primarily Link's Awakening due to some of the super cryptic ideas (kill specific 3 enemies in order)

The Old 3D GTA Games i think they Aged Very Badly but they were very Revolutionary Games in their time

The Old 3D GTA Games i think they Aged very Badly but they were very Revolutionary Games in their time

>>9732370
yes, "enables". not "guarantees".

>>9729940
Nigga what?

>>9732516
Then it is a good thing the performant, impressive hardware offered by the more powerful Mega Drive, PC Engine, X68000, Neo Geo, etc. enables those hardwares to have far superior game libraries as well.

>>9732596
>PC Engine, X68000, Neo Geo
lmao

>>9732370
You belong on /v/

>>9729762
Nah, you were just getting drowned out by autistic screeching from fanboys. If you go back and play any of these games people claim are untouchable masterpieces you see the flaws immediately. The unskippable "item get" animations, the tutorial owl that loops if you try to mash past it, the instant fail stealth sections, the fucking water temple..

>>9732537
this one is better

>>9732186
u gay
https://youtu.be/vNwFHSmNWjE
https://youtu.be/MY0N2BVN_X4
https://youtu.be/l8eaHk0IXps
also the library is better

>>9732308
cope
>>9732370
based
>>9732380
more cope

>>9728052
>gamey
It's a video game, the whole point is to be "gamey".

>>9732506
III & VC sure, but SA is still based, redpilled, kino, soul & ludo

>>9727732
>aged
>hold up
Kill yourself disgusting subhuman /v/tard
Cancerous faggot

>>9732760
>PC Engine, X68000, Neo Geo
https://youtu.be/q3bOjMekDCY?t=298
https://youtu.be/6HYghW2bH8o?t=282
https://youtu.be/zuNPCJzyBrU?t=454
Correct. All far more powerful, with higher quality games than what the SNES offers, or, indeed, can offer. I'm sorry this offends you, but I maintain that the SNES library does not hold up by modern standards when compared to the litany of better 16-bit hardwares on offer.

I honestly can't play gta 3, vc or SA right now. Shit I even have low tolerance to open world games right now

>>9733182
>shmup, figthing shit
nice variety there

>>9733861
how can you get filtered by the best platformer ever made

>>9733881
I didn't get filtered, I filtered the game out of my life.

Red Faction.

The classic Final Fantasies.The random battle shit is too frequent and slow.
If you use an emulator and 2x speed they are still kino though

>>9734029
PC port holds up fine. It's basically Half-Life with wall deformation.

>>9734305
Gameplay takes it in the ass shortly after the start, abandoning Geo Mod and pitting you up against those horrible, horrible rail gunners.

>>9727732
Still waiting for you to start...

>>9734318
I'll own up to it being dogshit if we can all admit the Xen levels in Half-Life were fine and "Xen Syndrome" is code for I got fucking filtered by Gonarch.

>>9731294
For the time, it was amazing. Yes, Everything before U6 is a bit primitive these days (although there's someone revamping U5 with retro-graphics that looks AMAZING).

What was amazing was, for it's time, the depth and the fact that you HAD to be morally good in the game. Remember, this is in an era where politicians were beginning to zero in on computer/console gaming and that we were all going to become axe-wielding atheist satanic communist baby killers if we played too much of them.

For the record, I have never used an axe to kill any atheist satanic communist babies. Ever. And I even LIKED Ultima 8.

>>9734347
Honestly? Yes. Xen is very brief, really the only shitty thing is the slow healing pools but you don't feel the sting of that slowness unless you fuck up and get wounded to the point where you need them. That and I don't like the twisty elevators but that's a personal problem.
I don't mind fighting the giant testicle spider either, you fight her enough times in Sven co-op it becomes routine.

Also despite Red Faction shitting the bed so quickly, I still think there's some cool shit there. The first portion of the game that lets you play with geo mod is really fun, and I like some of the weapons, the shock baton is a cool starting melee weapon, at least aesthetically.

>>9728097
Restiana best girl.

>>9727732
i play the Goldeneye X hack. It uses the PD engine so you can have bots.

>>9728083
>resorts to 3D tech demo to back up claim
Who let the retard out of its cage?

>>9736479
kope

>>9729814
Fucking retarded zoomer parroting shit he heard from a youtuber when he wasn't even there

>>9732482
>kill specific 3 enemies in order
game literally tells you to do this

>>9733136
SA was never good. 1, 2, 3, and VC are all better. SA is a bloated mess.

>>9737151
3d gta games were never good anyways

>>9727772
You shitting me? Most of the early 2D games hold up. Like 10% of the early 3d games hold up

>>9727732
i never liked that game even back in the day, i never liked any console shooter its always super frustrating to aim with a controller when i was i kid i thought all fps games were shit until i played an fps on pc with mouse and keyboard

>>9728052
>a game is too much like a game
are you listening to yourself retard?

>>9728127
these people are the reason why every game nowadays play the exacte same

>>9728783
the fuck is a revision playthrough is this a gaytuber thing?

>>9729726
i like it but i've been saying this since i played a link to the past when i was 12 years old

>>9729814
bro... the npc give you clues to everything necessary to beat the game did you even bother to talk to the npc?

>>9734347
i actually like the xen levels

>>9728092
>looks way better on a real n64 on a crt
A CRT may be a supernatural object delivered directly from the hand of god, but even god has his limits, n64 looks like a Vaseline smear, and not even the CRT can fix that.