/vr/ - Retro Games

Because it is a fifth generation game that was ported to the sixth generation console without any map changes.

>>9727463
It's a pretty short game, I dunno. It's just as long as it needs to be. You couldn't trim anything without trimming something fun.

so what's actually wrong with twin snakes?

>>9727539
stupid cutscene that zooms in on mario figures for no reason, voice actors gave worse performances all around, area design is not balanced around first person view like MGS2's is, graphics are worse than MGS2 and the artstyle is worse than MGS1

its not unplayable, but the original game is better. it's just kind of a novelty unless you don't have access to a playstation in which case its great

>>9727539
Rerecorded lines lost the shitty accent soul, and ryuhei kitamura's high-octane martial arts movie direction just did not serve the story, even for a fan of his films. Also, lack of pressure sensitivity really hurt the stickup game. Remakes are invariably shit anyway.

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>>9727551
>>9727554
These. I'm an MGSfag and beat both versions to death. TS is simply mediocre, the cutscenes are embarrassing for the tone the game is going, soundtrack is pretty shit, level design not built around 2's mechanics and the voice acting is notably worse. You should play it only after playing the original.

>>9727539
Everything
Even the idea of remaking MGS is retarded

>>9727539
Many people will say "the game isn't balanced around MGS2's mechanics, so it's easy to cheese". But I don't really count that as a legit complaint, since you can just exercise a bit of discipline and choose not use the MGS2 mechanics. Other people will say "the over-the-top action cutscenes are too unrealistic and make it hard to take the game seriously", which is bullshit considering the entire Metal Gear franchise is filled with wacky retarded shit, so to act like Twin Snakes is uniquely bad for that is disingenuous.
My actual complaint is that they didn't remake VR Missions.

>>9727570
>the game is broken, b-but just don't abuse it o-ok?
Dominant strategy, fag. Game design 101. You're defending dragging and dropping shit in a different engine and asking the player to dance around its flaws.

>>9727570
>Other people will say "the over-the-top action cutscenes are too unrealistic and make it hard to take the game seriously", which is bullshit considering the entire Metal Gear franchise is filled with wacky retarded shit
It just goes to show how the series has fallen after the first game. MGS1 didn't have a fat guy in a minesweeper suit skating around drinking wine and planting bombs, the worst it did was a cyborg ninja.

>>9727570
>you can just exercise a bit of discipline and choose not use the MGS2 mechanics
this is a problem unique to twin snakes, which is why people mention it
>the entire Metal Gear franchise is filled with wacky retarded shit
the first game wasn't, it has the most restrained cutscenes of any metal gear

it tries to MGS2ify the first game and misses the point

>>9727579
If you need the new mechanics as a crutch, they're available to use. If you are a super hardcore gamer that thinks it's casualization, then you have the choice not to use them. What's the problem?

>>9727463
Don't worry anon, it's ok to have a short snake

>>9727504
This. Also the added gameplay mechanics didn’t help in making the game longer.

>>9727463
You've obviously spent too much time feeling longer things
funfact: the tonsils are the organ most sensitive to length

>>9727539

its barely a game. aside from the normal running/shooting, the majority of the gameplay is just set pieces that are essentially just minigames. take away the metal gear veneer and its essentially a mario party title in disguise. its fine for the first playthru (or if you want to revisit it years later) but its not something thats supposed to be played over and over. also, twin snakes is very, very gay. if you cant tell what is wrong with it after watching some of the cutscenes then it cant be explained to you.

>>9728192
i refuse to believe this is real.

>>9728192
I like to think TSS is the version of the story told in Nastasha's book. She wasn't there so she just extrapolated from what she heard over the codec

>>9728192
hahaha what the fuck i had no idea this was like this. why?

>>9728192
Just like in my Japanese animes.

>>9728339
If you want to accept MGS2 retcons then the PS1 game was just a VR simulation

>>9727539
it's a remake

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>>9728192
Is that a mod? Wtf?

>>9727463
Because the new mechanics make the game way easier without the level design changing at all

>>9727597
>Hey, don't play the game in the way that the devs have explicitly told you to and it won't suck balls!
If this is the best argument for a game being good then it's poorly designed

>>9727539
This guy >>9727551 covered most of it but I also want to point out the music and sound design is absolutely awful in TS compared to MGS1. It cannot be overstated how terrible the music is in TS.

>>9728203
That would be true if VR missions didn't exist. Also, the difference from a movie game and MGS1 is MGS1 has a lot of gameplay gimmicks. Yes they're simple and once you find them there's no depth to them, but they're there.

>>9728192
I've beaten TS like 10 times and this still makes me cringe.

>>9727551
has Kitamura directed a good movie that's not Versus? everything I've seen from him was lame other than that one.

>>9728192
The worst thing is nintendrones actually defend this shit, brand cultism is literal insanity

>>9729087
I watched Azumi and Godzilla Final Wars, liked them both. Obviously they're just silly action movies don't expect anymore more

Jesus he's making B-movies in Hollywood now, been doing that for almost two decades now. What a tragic waste of talent

>>9727463
because the game is really short, first time playing it and using the codec a lot and just took me 8 hours

>>9728192
>sweet hal and hella dave.webm

It is short. It's like a four hour game.

>>9729117
Meh, if he was really that good to begin with he'd be doing bigger movies than that

>>9731941
even Sammo Hung was reduced to a shitter doing uncredited work in LA. just a bad idea to work there if you're an Asian with an action film career

>>9728192
Is this real?! Major Kek.

>>9728995
This is like saying Zelda is too easy because it gives you too many heart containers, even though taking heart containers is completely optional.

Playstation is barely a 3D console, and MGS1 is barely a 3D game. Silicon Knights was barely a talented developer that barely got the proper documentation and development time to do a port of MGS2 engine.

>>9732008
You probably thought this post was clever, somehow.

>>9731941
When was the last time asian action movies were popular in the west? The era of kung fu being mainstream is over

>>9729087
Godzilla Final Wars is his only good film, because it's dumb fun. Versus and Azumi were atrocious and I've avoided his stuff after that.

>>9732031
Everything Everywhere All at Once is the current critical darling and is the heavy favorite for the Academy Awards tomorrow

>>9732031
The Raid 2 was the last time I saw real hype for an Asian action film. I'm not really a film buff but it was hard to miss.

>>9728192
>I told you about slopes bro!

MGS games without VR missions to actually have fun playing the game are kinda meh. I wish we had gotten a VR mode with MGS3.

>>9732046
Versus deserves to be mentioned in one breath with Braindead, Evil Dead and Bloodsucking Freaks as an instant classic B-movie, but Final Wars is the antithesis of a good Godzilla flick, wtf is wrong with your taste anon

>>9728192
peak kojimakino tbqh

>>9732859
>nothing but incomprehensible buzzwords
>shit opinion
checks out

>>9727570
>you can just exercise a bit of discipline and choose not use the MGS2 mechanics

That's retarded. You can impose any self rules in any game and it doesn't make it not a problem just because you're ignoring it. Purposely not using a game play mechanic is just as bad as poor mechanics themselves. It's a sign that the game still doesn't work.

>>9727539
It's just sonyfags bitching.
Their big complaints is the cutscenes, but they neglect to tell you that the director Kojima hand picked for the Twin Snakes originally did all the cutscenese 1 for 1 with original game before Koijima rejected them and told the director to do it in his action style.
The other big complaint is the voice acting. The original stuff was unusable because it was extremely low quality, so they got the voice actors back to re-record everything and redo lines that were faithful to Kojima's script. Since a lot of the lines was altered by the translator.
So Sonyfags just bitch about everyone losing their over the top accents and Grey Fox no longer sounding like the DARPA chief's twin brother.

The only real valid complant is no VR missions.

>>9728339
The Twin Snakes is what really happened.
MGS is how Snake tells it to downplay what he did.

>>9733112
>"Super Mario Bros 3 is easy because you can just use P-Wings, Clouds, and Warp Whistles to skip everything!"
>just don't use them
>"No, why would I limit myself from resources that the game makes available to me?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpcgpKmqnPw
Twin Snakes is superior for how they presented this scene alone.

>But mum atmosphere!
Seeing the aftermath of Cyborg Ninja slicing up some Genome Soldiers verses actually seeing him do it make a massive difference in presentation.

>>9733237
>Their big complaints is the cutscenes, but they neglect to tell you that the director Kojima hand picked for the Twin Snakes originally did all the cutscenese 1 for 1 with original game before Koijima rejected them and told the director to do it in his action style.
Yeah, and it happened because Kojima and Kitamura are IRL bros who knew they could get away with a random handshake agreement, there's no deeper reason behind it other than that they got wasted together and decided to go with it. Why did Kojima get sacked from Konami again?

>>9731985
No it isn't lmao, most of the heart containers in the game are explicitly optional, you are told you should use the first-person view in TTS.
Your argument is like someone saying the heart containers from the dungeons make the game easier and responding with "just don't do the dungeons!"

>>9728192
>until today, I've always looked for a reason to live
Not for long Octacon lmao.

>>9733252
>Compares secret items and power ups to basic game play functions

>>9732865
lowest point of anon's posting history to be quite honest

>>9733273
Big if true, proof that was why they did it?

>>9727463
Because it is short.

>>9727463
MGS1 was already a 3 hour game sans cutscenes, Twin Snakes made everything way easier so you can blast through it even quicker. There was a point in time where I didn't have many games on hand but I had a Gamecube and Twin Snakes so I ended up playing through it almost every day because it was a nice 2 hour romp. I actually appreciate that a lot. The worst thing in my eyes is for a game to feel long or bloated.

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>>9731891
Every time I think I've forgotten how dumb these cutscenes are, someone reminds me and the memories come flooding back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7YPzuPLas&t=340s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eASQ3wmK-D4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6nJoLerP_U&t=570s

>>9727539
Everyone is going to explain the change in tone and direction, MGS2 style enhancements breaking the gameplay, and it's all absolutely right. But if you just want to compare quality I have a microexample that is an analogy for the whole thing.

In the PS version the screen shakes with nearby explosions and when metal gear walks, in twin snakes the screen never shakes. When metal gear walks he has the weight of a bouncy castle.

It's polish details like that, effort put into the original work by artists who are worried the game will fail and be forgotten. Hacks shitting out a remake don't notice things like that, and small fits of apathy plague the whole game.

>>9733237
>The original stuff was unusable because it was extremely low quality

Why do people keep regurgitating obviously false explanations? The PS was a CD console with plenty of space for audio. You played MGS and didn't notice anything wrong with the voice quality until you read on the internet something was wrong with it for twin snakes. Kojima not liking the alterations of the first game makes way more sense, or some business reason I don't give a shit about.

>>9733268
The original had this shrill sound and flashing white light when they cut between shots that was pretty cool. Then the remake sucked all the style away

>>9727463
That's what she said

>>9735158
>The PS was a CD console with plenty of space for audio
What bearing does this have on the recording setup? If the audio was recorded in some shitty apartment without any soundproofing rather than an actual studio, it's gonna turn out terrible.

>>9735360
>If the audio was recorded in some shitty apartment without any soundproofing rather than an actual studio, it's gonna turn out terrible.

>>9735426
Pretty sure Tricky's home studio was considerably more advanced than what David Hayter and crew had. Tricky's studio was, in part, set up by the record label. A record label is going to have a better sense of how to convert a home for adequate audio production than a video game publisher. Especially in the rudimentary stages of fully-voiced video game cutscenes.

>>9727539
Literally nothing except for the embellished cutscenes.

>>9727463
Twin Snakes specifically? Because they took MGS2's gameplay and threw it into MGS1s level design. The first person in both the PC port and Twin Snakes breaks the boss fights,

>>9727539
it's obviously a meme to hate it on here but some criticisms are valid.
- the redubbed voice acting is needlessly over the top
- the newly coreographed cutscenes are very cringe and overly stylistic.
- the gameplay mechanics from MGS2 they added completely break the game since they didn't redesign the levels for things like First person aiming, ledge hanging, or tranq gun

My first experience with MG was TTS so I'll always like it and I enjoyed the story enough to go on to play all the others so it definitely has its merits. But then again I would always recommend the original MGS over TTS.

>>9727570
>which is bullshit considering the entire Metal Gear franchise is filled with wacky retarded shit, so to act like Twin Snakes is uniquely bad for that is disingenuous.
absolute retard. at no point in any other MGS game does snake jump nine feet into the air. you have no idea what tone is and I'd accuse you of being disingenous but really I think you're just too stupid to know the difference.

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>>9735360
You can listen to the PS1 audio right now and hear that it's literally fine with no sounds of "cars" in the background

>>9733237
>The original stuff was unusable because it was extremely low quality
I'd rather have good performances with LA traffic in the background than mediocre performances with a professional audio setup, and most people agree

>>9727570
>which is bullshit considering the entire Metal Gear franchise is filled with wacky retarded shit

The explanation isn't complete. In metal gear solid, the playable characters are "normal" dudes without sci-fi/fantasy/comic book powers. This makes them relatable and fits with you not doing crazy matrix acrobatics in gameplay. Also it's ironic how the characters with the strongest and most revered martial abilities have no powers.

>>9735360
>What bearing does this have on the recording setup? If the audio was recorded in some shitty apartment without any soundproofing rather than an actual studio, it's gonna turn out terrible.

Nothing. What does your question have to do with anything? Does MGS have a bad recording setup? Why didn't you just say so?

>>9736146
We're pretending Guns of the Patriots didn't happen then? The game where Snake, Meryl and the guard that shits himself get fired out of "man cannons" onto a giant floating Mt. Snakemore. That ends with two sweaty old men beating the shit out of each other on top of said giant floating Mt. Snakemore.

The whole series is goofy retarded anime shit and that's why we love it. The real reason people hate Twin Snakes is because it's exclusive to a console barely anyone bought.

>>9736147
>Does MGS have a bad recording setup?
Yes
>Why didn't you just say so?
I incorrectly assumed you weren't retarded.

>>9736186
>We're pretending Guns of the Patriots didn't happen then?

>>9736186
If you're an actual MGS fan, MGS ended at 3.

>>9736186
A. a large portion of the fanbase hates 4 and would put it closer to twinsnakes than 1-3
B. even then the stuff in 4 is still distinct from TS as goofy as it can be, Ocelot and Snake fight like old men not backflipping 9 feet into the air.

>>9736207
You speak in hypotheticals because you're afraid of being wrong. "if the audio was recorded in some shitty apartment", and "its gonna turn out terrible", as if you didn't know, or hadn't heard the game to know for yourself. And no matter what the outcome you can claim you were always right about anything because you never claimed anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaIUpXZnqPU

I have studio monitors, just tell me where the background noise and echos are if you want to make a point. It couldn't even matter because basically every line of voice has the game's music, reverb, or ambient sound with it.

>>9736186
>We're pretending Guns of the Patriots didn't happen then?

Is this a question? Who doesn't do this?

>>9728192
I TOLD YOU BRO