/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9721327
THIS SO MUCH!

man who gives a shit, i'll never understand fallout "lore" autists there is no lore the first game said everything that could possibly be said because the setting is so limited
>b-but this suit of cybertron power XLG giga-7000 armour is anachronistic as the khans and the shaman sizzlers had already usurped the territory of the great lakes by the start of fallout: piss edition
pound dirt you fucking geek

>>9722086
>NOOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU CARE ABOUT STUFF I CAN'T FATHOM!
KYS GRUG.

>>9721327
Canon aside, it’s sad more people don’t talk about this one. It’s a fun game. Maybe because people confuse it for the console game and think it’s also dogshit.

>>9722086
>heh I don't care about lore in an RPG
Why are you playing it then

>>9721327
But the lore of Tactics is also shit, combat was a massive step up though.

>>9722187
It was always a weird side thing. Even at the time everyone was pretty disappointed with it. Just because it's Tactics doesn't mean it has to be so light on the story, look at FF Tactics

>>9722296
>Anon claims to speak for everyone back in the day who bought copies for this game in the early-mid 2000s
Ah, the stench of someone with delusions of grandeur.

>>9722187
It's true. Internet pseuds shit on Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel because they have it confused with Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel for the PS2 (which they haven't played either). Tactics is actually a good game unlike the PS2 Fallout.

>>9722187
just stop pretending, it looks and reads like garbage made by some german knock off artists

>>9721327
Fallout Tactics is a good game, but later missions just get tedious.

>>9722484
>UMM ACTUALLY
Obviously I mean everyone I know not everyone on the planet. Congratulations you wasted my and your own time. Was it worth it now that I've issued a correction?

>>9722653
How is he pretending, dear crackhead offspring?

>*blocks ur path*
I have no idea what the fuck they were thinking with these things. I never could get past them without cheesing the hell out of the turn based system.

>>9722086
yeah you tell 'em anon :^)

>>9721327
I mean it might as well be, they keep taking ideas from it.

FO Tactics is the best squad game ever. Great complex levels, tons of gameplay options between your 6 characters development, various items and vehicles and the various enemies, amazing OST, already has a fleshed out world behind. I can't think of game in the squad/rts genre that's this good.

>>9722292
The lore is great, the story is just linear which is why ppl hate it.

>>9722086
fallout lore is okay for the most part but the autism for it is what makes it shit...
>"NOO FEV RESEARCH MUST HAPPEN IN CALIFORNIA AND ONLY CALIFORNIA!"
>"NOOO YOU CAN"T HAVE SUPER MUTANTS OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA!"
>"NOOOO THE BOS CAN'T BE ANYTHING MORE THAN THE TECH HOARDING ZEALOTS THEY WERE IN FALLOUT 1!"
>"NOOOOO EVERYTHING SHOULD BE BUILT BACK UP LIKE THE NCR! I DON'T CARE IF SHADOWY ORGANIZATIONS WERE KEEPING EVERYONE IN THE REGION DOWN!"
>"NOOOOOO ALIENS AREN'T CANON! EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN IN EVERY FALLOUT GAME PRIOR!"
>"NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE THE ENCLAVE COME BACK! DESPITE THAT IT WOULD BE PERFECTLY REASONABLE FOR THEM TO STILL HAVE MORE BASES/HOLDINGS THAN WHAT WE SEE IN FALLOUT 2"
...the greatest irony is their complaints about bethesda keeping things stagnant despite bleeding out in their tampons every time they do something.


>>9722591
tactics is the only fallout game i haven't played but BoS is easily the worst fallout anyone who says otherwise has todd living in their heads rent free. the only ones that even come close to it is shelter and the frontier and one of those is a TC mod.

>>9721327
But is it canon?
Furthermore, is "cannon" zoomerspeak for amazing?

>>9721327
1 & 2 are the only ones that are canon. Tactics was fun though. The Bethesda games can suck my dick

>>9724646
Your arguments are cope, and the problems with the "lore" of the Bethesda Fallout games is that Bethesda are both pretty bad writers, and lazy.

>"NOO FEV RESEARCH MUST HAPPEN IN CALIFORNIA AND ONLY CALIFORNIA!"

Nobody said this, however it's just lazy to transplant that entire plot to the east coast instead of making up something new

>"NOOO YOU CAN"T HAVE SUPER MUTANTS OUTSIDE OF CALIFORNIA!"

It makes zero sense to have them outside California. The super mutants were specifically bred by the master to be used as his new vision for humanity. Sure, there COULD be people/organisations that by happenstance stumbled upon the same process and decided to do the exact same thing, but why write it like that? Again, why not come up with something new?

>"NOOOO THE BOS CAN'T BE ANYTHING MORE THAN THE TECH HOARDING ZEALOTS THEY WERE IN FALLOUT 1!"

Having them as tech hoarding zealots is a far more interesting concept than "they are the good guys of the wastes!!"

>"NOOOOO EVERYTHING SHOULD BE BUILT BACK UP LIKE THE NCR! I DON'T CARE IF SHADOWY ORGANIZATIONS WERE KEEPING EVERYONE IN THE REGION DOWN!"

Shadowy organisations kept humanity from building anything better than small villages of scrap-metal huts for hundreds of years and kept plants from growing while at it? Am I supposed to believe this?

>>"NOOOOOO ALIENS AREN'T CANON! EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN IN EVERY FALLOUT GAME PRIOR!"

Aliens have at most been an easter egg in the real Fallout games (1 & 2), not canon in the slightest, adding canon aliens is just dumb

>"NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE THE ENCLAVE COME BACK! DESPITE THAT IT WOULD BE PERFECTLY REASONABLE FOR THEM TO STILL HAVE MORE BASES/HOLDINGS THAN WHAT WE SEE IN FALLOUT 2"

Again, why have them come back? It all comes back to lazy and bad writing. The entire USA is exactly what we saw in 1 & 2 (small part of the west coast) because... why exactly?

>>9724646
>...the greatest irony is their complaints about bethesda keeping things stagnant despite bleeding out in their tampons every time they do something.

And the reason for that is that modern Bethesda are exceptionally bad writers. Do you like Marvel movies, because it seems like it

>>9726380
bethesda's writing style is the exact same type of KISS writing that fromsoft uses for their souls games and everyone praises fromsoft for doing that.

>>9726378
>NOOOOOOOOO FACTIONS CAN'T EVOLVE OR CHANGE OVER TIME BECAUSE I SAY IT CAN'T!
>NOOOOOOOOOO FALLOUT MUST ALWAYS BE IN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE...JUST BECAUSE OKAY!
>NOOOOOOOOOOO ALIENS AREN'T CANON BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT!
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO PEOPLE STAY IN ONE SPOT FOREVER AND NEVER MOVE ON!
but it's absolutely A-OK when obsidian or interplay do it right?

to politely put it like >>9722086 said touch grass.

>>9723056
save all looted drugs up to this point (especially the Afterburner Gum) just for this mission - and make the surface turrets "fatally overdose" on them, then activate the 'surface sterilization protocol' without consequences

>>9726793
What an incredibly bad post, anon. What does Obsidian and Interplay have to do with anything? If they are bad at writing as well, then it's obviously not okay when they do it.

>NOOOOOOOOO FACTIONS CAN'T EVOLVE OR CHANGE OVER TIME BECAUSE I SAY IT CAN'T!

The "evolution" is from well written and interesting faction to "we are le good guys! Being bad is wrong!"

>NOOOOOOOOOO FALLOUT MUST ALWAYS BE IN CALIFORNIA BECAUSE...JUST BECAUSE OKAY!

No it absolutely does not have to be, which begs the question: Why just do a ctrl-c of Fallout 1&2 and ctrl-v it on the east coast then?

>NOOOOOOOOOOO ALIENS AREN'T CANON BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT!

Aliens aren't canon because they aren't canon. In any case it doesn't matter much, it's just a further point that highlights how bad Bethesda are at writing and plotting

>NOOOOOOOOOOOO PEOPLE STAY IN ONE SPOT FOREVER AND NEVER MOVE ON!

I don't know what this is in reference to. Change is no problem, POORLY EXECUTED AND WRITTEN change is a problem

>>9722086
>>9722181
>>9724646
>>9726378
>>9726793
>>9726868
shut the fuck up retards

>>9726817
Huh neat, I never realized they were vulnerable to that. I remember equipping my dudes with diamond spears and very slowly chipping away at them until they died once.

>>9721327
>cannon
>no punctuation between "thinks" and "Fallout"

You're either an ESL or a retard. Either way, you should kys.

>>9727176
I did the same. The turrets seem to have pretty shit aim if you stand right next to them, so I wailed on them with melee weapons till they broke. My troops could barely move due to all those looted fusion batteries.

>>9726868
>Aliens aren't canon because they aren't canon, THEY JUST AREN'T, OK!
How so? Where did the creators back at interplay say that Fallout exists in a universe where humans are alone?

>>9721327
NO
>>9722047
NOO
>>9722086
NOOO
>>9722181
NOOOO
>>9722187
NOOOOO
>>9722287
NOOOOOO
>>9722292
NOOOOOOO
>>9722296
NOOOOOOOO
>>9722484
NOOOOOOOOO
>>9722591
NOOOOOOOOOO
>>9722653
NOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9722756
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9722768
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9722776
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9723056
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9723425
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9723694
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9724309
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9724315
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9724646
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9726338
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9726369
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9726378
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9726380
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9726793
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9726817
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9726868
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9727030
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9727176
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9729172
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9729742
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>9730309
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>9721327
Who cares about 'canon' in a series anyways

>>9730496
This isn't Doom, most Mario games that aren't RPGs, Blake Stone, Q*bert, nor Gradius.