/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9711617
any reliable way to get s-video from rgb signal?
i want a tate crt but i would rather not pay more than 199$

i have some gnarly red dot crawl over rgb>composite conversion

>>9711634
& yes i have a modulation device that sort of "blends" the issue

but do i really have to get a daisy signal chain going just to play my arcade pcb? in 2023???

>>9711634
Why not just get a CRT that takes S-Video through RGB SCART?
Mine does

>>9711659
not him but I find SCART inherently disgusting, I will never allow it in my house

>>9711659
i live in the united states
ebay prices are out of control
im not paying top dollar for an unserviced USED item from 33 years ago

i almost never see anything with scart input
even locally here in california most of the component input sets are being scalped

>>9711667
>>9711668
Ah well, guess it sucks looking for a solution as easy as mine

>>9711617
im from the old thread but im probably gonna pick a 1341 tomorrow, the guy selling it told me when he used component it has weird lines at the top. if anything it should be a problem but I plan on using Scart for my modded N64, unless S-video is just as good

>>9711659
>>9711680
also anon
TECHNICALLY this would not work
i need a crt that can support rgb signal natively

>>9711709
>>9711692
scart cable doesn't magically change the source signal
if it is sending rgb that is what it will send
if it sending s-video or composite that is all that will be sent

you have to be autistic about custom cables in arcadeland

I'm contemplating selling my CRT (PVM20M4E) since I kind of stopped playing on it (ever since I sold my Saturn, ironically).
Have the MiSTer, an N64 and a PS2 hooked up (I prefer using the PS2 on my flatscreen)
Convince me to keep it and recommend some games bc I'll sell it otherwise

I downloaded a Super Mario 64 Render96+ Raytracing video and played it back on my mid-90s PC workstation monitor in high resolution.
Was a bit surreal to look at.

>>9711730
naw not really was just curious what is better on a PVM

>>9711783
>(I prefer using the PS2 on my flatscreen)
I can't convince you of anything

>>9711709
I literally am using a natively RGB TV, it just also does Svideo and composite through the SCART I have this on one side and RGB on the other, both lead to a switcher

>>9711680
my PVM does RGB, component, s-video, and composite, all switchable from the monitor itself, without any disgusting SHART connectors in sight

>>9711634
>>9711637
This guy https://www.ebay.com/usr/wakabavideo sells a s-video to rgb transcoder occasionally that I use. Works great.

>>9711857
>I have to use a mess of cables to get what I want
Don’t know why you’re proud of that

>>9711948
cables and wires don't bother me at all, it's only SHART connectors that I hate

composite sync isn't gay at all, it's just two signals blanking together

My CRT doesn't start right away, is it on it's way out? It makes a sound, then the picture slowly fades in and it eventually looks OK. When you turn it off the picture goes away instantly. Do I need to replace the caps?

>>9711860
i was on the fence about this one
i have a keene electronics scartRGB>svid+composite

i still dont have a crt set that can support component

>>9712174
That's how they work.

>>9712174
Totally normal. Stop being a such neurotic zoomie. I understand you've never lived in a time when things were made to last but you're worrying over literally nothing.

>>9712182
Thank you.
>>9712192
Does hyperaggressive shit-flinging make your dick hard?

>>9711668
>i live in the united states
>i almost never see anything with scart input

Makes sense since SCART was not at all a thing in North America. S-Video for you.

>>9712208
Yes that high pitched noise is normal, all crts make it.

>>9711984
I have a feeling that you are a regular autist around these boards
>>9712174
Pretty normal, but how long are we talking about here, more than 5 seconds until you see a picture may be a problem
Should take about 20-30 seconds for the tube to warm up

I bought a random 2.50€ Aliexpress HDMI adapter, because it resembled the Rankie one,. Tested it on a GDM-F520.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004122490250.html

>>9712524
In pic 1920x1440p90hz GTF 362mhz. I can't test it any higher because my GPU locks if I try anything above 1536p60 (this is why you don't buy nvidia for Linux use). Didn't bother trying anything else, so I have no idea just how high bandwidth it actually can do. But my unit does at least 360mhz. Regardless, it completely outperforms the Delock 62967 and other popular adapters while costing one tenth. But I have no idea if mine's just a silicon lottery jackpot. Please test it.

It does not crush blacks or whites either, though I did not bother checking in-depth with my colorimeter. EDID on it is trash though, it reports dogshit resolutions. I don't think it passes any of the serial comms through, so no DDC/CI likely either. You'll have to force custom resolutions and depending on your drivers override any checks.
For X11+Nvidia, in the device field of xorg.conf(.d/) you can add
Option "ModeValidation" "NoMaxPClkCheck, AllowDpInterlaced, NoHorizSyncCheck, NoVertRefreshCheck, NoDisplayPortBandwidthCheck, AllowNonEdidModes, NoExtendedGpuCapabilitiesCheck, NoTotalSizeCheck"
X11+AMD in my experience doesn't have these checks and on Windows CRU overrides for both.

>>9712527
Could you elaborate on how to force custom resolutions on nvidia? Messing with it never worked for me

>>9712683
Linux or Windows?

>>9712739
Linux, ever since I switched it doesn't detect any refresh rate higher than 85Hz at any resolution

testing for code tags

>>9712767
Wrote a whole blog for you
https://rentry.org/q6hzpz
<3

I have question.
If I connect this to a crt, will it work?
My gpu can output at 15khz.

>>9712839
Thanks for taking the time anon, I'll give it another go

>>9713265
If you don't know don't do it. Even if you gpu puts out 15khz it's going to be 15khz rgb unless you have a special gpu that has an ntsc mode that also uses the vga port.

>>9713601
Can't you just run custom timings that match NTSC and not GTF/CVT?

>>9713603
It's not a matter of timing, NTSC combines RGB and h/v sync into a single signal. You need a transcoder to do that.

>>9713629
Oh right. I was thinking if the adapter could have the conversion circuitry built-in, I remember seeing simple circuits like picrel that could convert rgbhv to composite but it's apparently (and rather obviously) very bad and just monochrome.

Does the gamecube Xbox and ps2 gen benefit from buying one of these more than the ps1 n6 Dreamcast gen or less? Realistically does it make that big of a difference? Is there a way I can some plug the game into two tvs at once to compare side by side?

>>9711668
>im not paying top dollar for an unserviced USED item from 33 years ago
i dont get why so many people are opposed to spending money on good crts kek, youll likely be using it for hundreds of hours i dont see a point on waiting to get lucky on some cheap one someone might throw out over the next year

>>9713691
>gamecube Xbox and ps2
I still use mine for ps3/xbox 360 everything looks great on them imo, my unit takes component though

>>9713895
This, especially when dealing with top-end CRTs. It makes no sense to waste years of your life looking for the unicorn deal. You can always make the money back, but you can't get the time back, and in some cases you might not even ever get another opportunity to buy some extraordinarily rare CRT.

>>9713970
Yeah i waited like 2 years and didn't even see a shit crt show up cheap decided to finally bite on >>9713950 drove like 5 hours each way to pick it up and it cost £200 its one of the best purchases ive ever made i use it all the time

>>9713265
>>9713601
>>9713603
>>9713629
>>9713659
I don't know if my GPU has an NTSC mode but the GPU outputs at 15khz out of the box.
https://www.arcadexpress.com/en/arcadevga/268-tarjeta-grafica-arcade-vga-1gb-gddr5-pci-express.html
Even the boot screen can be visible on a crt.
I'm currently using a VGA to scart cable but I wanted to have composite signal for NES, SNES and maybe ps1 games.
If that's not possible then what cable do you recommend?

>>9713691
I like it for 6th gen if for no other reason just to not deal with deinterlacing. Xbox and Dreamcast have fairly wide 480p support though. That said the one case of playing an Xbox game with progressive scan available on Xbox 360 I've tried with both 480i component on CRT and on a 1080p LCD monitor over VGA still looked better on the TV, Generally native 480p on a VGA CRT monitor is going to look better than upscaling on an LCD but only Dreamcast and Xbox 360 natively support that on consoles.

480p on PS2 and Gamecube is kind of a weird set of tradeoffs anyways. With 480i you either choose between being a little flickery or a little blurrier because of anti-flicker filter (Smash Melee has this as a menu option) so with 480p you can get the best of both in that regard, but it comes with reduced color depth which creates dithering and/or banding.

>>9714052
That GPU only puts out RGB, so a cable won't work. You need a transcoder. I use one of these https://www.ebay.com/itm/174151197805 with my mister. But the guy sells 3 or 4 every month or so, you have to watch for him. There are other solutions out there but they're either built specifically for the mister or just as hard to come by.

>>9714103
adding on to this, honestly if you want composite output the easiest thing is to get one of those retropi setups.

>>9714110
>hose retropi setups.
i think the composite raspberry pi output is terrible, might be better on the newer ones but i have a pi 1 and pi 2 and its looks awful

>>9714052
just grab a gpu with a svideo port, i made a seperate itx machine with a radeon 3650 for svideo to my crt after fucking with vga cables and not having any luck

>>9714103
>That GPU only puts out RGB
So the issue is with the gpu not the cable.
I was also planning on getting this
>https://www.arcadexpress.com/en/arcadevga/457-cable-arcade-vga-scart-usb-5v-12v-con-audio.html
but it's been out of stock for a while.
>There are other solutions out there but they're either built specifically for the mister or just as hard to come by.
So it's over for composite signal
>>9714110
elaborate

>>9714135
>just grab a gpu with a svideo port
But then I won't have access to RGB anymore...

>>9713950
I wish that we had TVs with components here in euroland

>>9714168
This is a euro crt JVC BM-H1400PN, the american version is a different model number BM-h1400SU

>>9714168
This is a euro crt JVC BM-H1400PN, the american version is a different model number BM-H1300SU

>>9714179
Oh My bad.
But seriously trying to find a pvm in Europe right now is like trying to win the lottery

>>9714186
im sure you can get a good one for under 400 euro are you trying to get them free, tonnes on ebay here at okay prices

>>9714131
I've never had one myself so I have no idea.
>>9714138
it's an emulator box that puts out composite. see above.

>>9714189
lol 400€ is way too much for me.
Also not worth it since they are mostly 14" if they were at least 21" or something, it might be worth it.
It's not a big deal, I can cope with my 25" standard JVC TV

>>9714103
>>9714110
>>9714131
>>9714135
>>9714138
>>9714164
>Enter

>>9714205
>lol 400€ is way too much for me.
im sure you could save it easy over a couple months if you tried kek, but yeah i think 20 professional grade would probs be like 1k+, can you not rgb mod the jvc? component doesn't look any better than rgb

>>9714209
what the hell is this

>>9714215
>im sure you could save it easy over a couple months if you tried kek
It's not about the price, it's just not worth it for TV that small.
>can you not rgb mod the jvc
My TV has RGB via Scart, what I want is that sweet 480p

>>9714237
>it's just not worth it for TV that small.
I think it is if you use it enough kek
>what I want is that sweet 480p
oh my jvc has component but it only supports 480i nothing higher works not even 480p. i bought it thinking it could do up to like 1080i because it said high resolution on it kek

>>9714223
Male fantasy

>>9714247
Interesting, I thought all pvms supported 480p.
Well that's one more reason to not get one

>>9714249
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225457219058? found it i think
>>9714256
maybe the sony ones do

>>9714209
>>9714249
>>9714258
Might be a good solution but these computers are underpowered, I doubt that they can even run N64 games

>>9714269
you should just get an n64 instead of fucking about with gpu cables and other bullshit kek

>>9714281
Not worth it since I am only interested in a couple of games.
Everything works flawlessly on my pc up to ps2 games.
All I'm missing is the fucking composite signal.
What about composite filters on RGB?
Has anyone tried them before?

>>9714302
>All I'm missing is the fucking composite signal.
>What about composite filters on RGB?
if you want it to look like shit just get one of these

>>9714307
I would rather gouge my eyes with an rca cable than use this piece of shit.
This thing fucks with the aspect ratio.
4:3 has black bars and 16:9 is squeezed int the picture

Japanese console television from the Showa era.

another example

1970s Japanese ad for console televisions. 26" size already available.

>>9714608
>>9714614
Can this do 4k?

Let me guess, you need "more" ?

>>9714608
>>9714614
>>9714624
I don't know why, but 60s and 70s TVs always looked ugly to me

>>9714619
The coarse screen pitch will bring out the true beauty of Famicom and PC Engine games.

Panacolor eh...

Not familiar.

More of the National product catalog.

>>9714631
I wonder if it's just perspective that stuff that was a like 2 decades old when I was a kid just looks like old junk or just the 70s being being a generally awful time for the aesthetics of everything.

Panasonic catalog from October 1989.

>>9714631
its the wood, like on the TV it looks nice but as a decorative thing, idk what people were thinking

>>9714631
Opposite for me. I always loved the look of wood grain or actual wood in my electronics.

Panasonic 89 catalog continued.

and what do we have here?

>>9714662
>43"
n-nani?

More of the Panasonic lineup.

>rear projection smaller than direct view CRT

>>9714662
American Traditional is corny but American Modern is just awful. I do wish I had a TV that was actually flat on top though, fuckers beveled it just enough to make it impossible to put anything but a Wiimote sensor up there.

>>9714665
It's only $12,500 1989 US dollars. Real bubble economy shit right there.

Oh no. Ebay culture is here.

>>9714631
Because they are and they have no real benefit to gaming
I’m pretty sure this is the anon that treats CRT’s like furniture

So I picked this up today and once I plugged it in im greeted to this. Any idea what it is or how to fix it?

>>9714695
Those monitors have never been cheap. They are the cousin of the FW-900.

>>9714739
>they have no real benefit to gaming
Not true at all. These are awesome for 70s and 80s games, and the later models are good for any kind of SD gaming. Some of them could be RGB modded.

They are also sources of tubes for arcade monitor chassis swaps.

>>9715128
Caps

>>9715142
>70s and 80s games
RF on any set capable is good for those consoles

>>9712839
you're a based guy, i want you to know this. i had just given up on custom modelines because of that error. i gotta try this.

>>9715165
80s games includes the Famicom and PC Engine.
Megadrive came out in the 80s.

>>9715387
If you were including those consoles for those TV's then you're wrong about them being good for them

>>9715391
I was and I disagree about that.

>>9715391
you're wrong and he's right

>>9715416
>>9715650
then you should have no problem explaining why it benefits them

>>9714608
Would look good if you took out the whole tube with the silver frame and put it in a black plastic/metal case.

>>9714631
It's the same for me with most electronic devices. The 60s and 70s designs are awful for me, especially the wood. I consider the 80s to early 90s the peak of electronics design, together with car design.
Everything went downhill from there, with weird curves in the 90s and piano black in the 00s-10s. Fortunately nature seems to be healing lately with the return of 80s-like designs, pic related. TVs barely even have bezels now, and that's a good thing, considering how awful the earlier LCDs looked.
Modern cars got a bit futuristic looking instead, I like it with the exception of instrument clusters being just big screens, not even OLEDs in most cases, with shitty fonts reminiscent of some 2010-tier Android devices. Can't beat analog indicators, pic related again (I wish they were bigger though).

>>9714650
>>9714658
>>9714662
>>9714671
>>9714673
Absolutely beautiful (except those wooden ones).

I've got a Japanese Sony catalog from 1987.

>>9715160
damn im not to confident in replacing them myself and im unsure if there is even a shop that recaps crt's/pvm's near me

>>9715710
How a Trinitron works.

>>9715714
Explanation of symbols used throughout.

>>9715716
Overview

>>9715717

>>9715718
Profeels with both analog and digital RGB

>>9715720

>>9715712
ring around electronic repair stores and ask if they do

>>9715723
Some lower-end Profeels

>>9715726

>>9715728

>>9715729

>>9715730
A bunch of more basic models

>>9715732

>>9715736
Trinitron with a built-in Video8 deck and another one with a more powerful amp and speakers.

>>9715738
Projectors

>>9715740
Computer monitors with 31kHz capabilities

>>9715747
A little something for travelers

>>9715720
>profeel pro

>>9715749
Explanation of connection standards

>>9715756
TV stands

>>9715758
And finally, a summary and comparison between models.
This is the last page, hope you enjoyed it.

Black Trinitron refers to the screen type, not the casing, right?

Like it's supposed to have better color and contrast if it's a "black" trinitron compared to the older models.

>>9715764
pretty sure it's the glass being black instead of green/grey

>>9715773
Yup.
It was used by other companies too.

>>9715764
Yeah, black glass with better contrast and less light from the outside being reflected.
It's explained on page 11 >>9715732

>>9714103
>>9714110
>>9714131
>>9714135
For anyone who still cares
I found this online https://arcadeforge.net/UMSA/UMSA-Ultimate-SCART-Adapter::57.html?language=en
I think this might do the trick
"Composite Video Sync Generatin by logic. Thus a wider range of graphic cards and TV are supported. This results in more stable signal as well. "

>>9713895
>likely be using it
yeah, as long as nothing's wrong with it. it's old, so the chances of it needing repairs is actually pretty good; better than you will admit. Everybody's glib about this stuff until you actually have to fix something. It doesn't make sense to pay 300 dollars for something that could easily need repairs the next day. I've done it, but it isn't smart or reasonable. Some people have better sense than that.
These days, if you can't fix it yourself, paying for repairs will quickly become uneconomical and i'ts reasonable to take that into account when you're making a purchase.

>>9711814
cool, i haven't viewed that demo yet

>>9715140
I've seen 3 other CPD-G520's in past couple years, all sold/bid to 180-250€.
I myself bought a GDM-F520 with 10k hours for 250€ on a different site, though that monitor also required a lot of servicing.

>>9714164
Why do you want composite if you have rgb? also what gpu?

>>9714695
hyvä hinta on

>>9716092
Call it autism, but I prefer 5th gen and down to be in composite signal, that's how the developer intended due to them using a lot of dithering technics at that time.
My gpu is AMD ATI Radeon HD8490

>>9716227
How are you getting RGB to work does that gpu do something special i tried using a vga to rgb cable on my pc and it didn't work with my crt

>>9716227
If you prefer that then I’d advise you to get real hardware or a Mister when they offer true composite output
Converting signal down through cables often has undesired effects

i need some emotional support, the VGA monitor I found on the side of the road last year (viewsonic A90) is starting to go wonky and I have no experience with recapping CRTs so I'm pretty sure when it dies, it dies. please help me cope with these dire and unfortunate circumstances

>>9714135
Is there any way to output an actual 480i or lower signal through one of those GPUs with a built in s-video port?

The ATI card I've got with one can only, with its intended drivers, output a downscaled video of the desktop which looks horrible, I haven't been able to find a way to get a direct 480i or lower signal short of using modded drivers, which do not support any output to the s-video port.

>>9716313
I know that feel, my favorite monitor is starting to show a scrolling horizontal line and some vertical lines on a corner

>>9716239
> i tried using a vga to rgb cable on my pc and it didn't work with my crt
It won't work unless you use something like crt emu drive, to make your gpu output at 15khz.
mine was modified by the seller to output at 15khz out of the box.
>>9716272
it's not that simple, let's say that I will get an N64.
First I'll have to import one from the US or Japan, get a voltage converter, find a flash cart and all of that just to play five games

>>9714269
>Might be a good solution
Not really, those things can't output 240p, anything you feed it will turn to 480i through that composite out.
They're good as media players for old shit and that's it.

>>9716449
>mine was modified by the seller to output at 15khz out of the box.
you got a link to where you bought yours? id prefer to have it just werk than to fuck about with software bullshit
>>9716423
you sure youve got it setup correctly? I had to fuck about with settings to get my svideo one working. will take a look in a minute and remember what i did. im using the newest catalyst available for win7 with a radeon 3650

>>9716423
Okay I enabled force tv detect then rebooted the machine. Then went to desktop management > creating and arranging desktops. In there i clicked on the little black arrow in the tv at the bottom and set to extend. then I could set the resolution in desktop properties. you can also mess with colors and underscan etc in the tv options. I dont normally have another display connected just did it for setup after putting the settings the way i have them i just boot the machine and use the svideo as the only display. cant see bios or anything so get no video until windows loads. I can have different resolution for each display if i have both connected though

This is at 720 x 576

>>9715903
That's a sync combiner, composite sync and composite video are different things.

>>9716568
it's beautiful.

>>9716529
sure
https://www.arcadexpress.com/en/arcadevga/268-tarjeta-grafica-arcade-vga-1gb-gddr5-pci-express.html
though in my case they only ship to Spain and Italy, so I had to order it from their ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/264257689601
if you want to get the most out of your crt, you need to install crt emu drive.
They made a simple video to follow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgUQHnda34Y

>>9716550
>>9716568

That's how I had it set up with a 4250 (I think), and if I'm not mistaken, the way you've current got it set up has it outputting 720x576 downscaled by the GPU to 480i which results in a much blurrier image than actually outputing a native 480i signal; Even 640x480 looked off compared to a native signal, though I never tried it with the 30hz refresh rate-- That might be actually outputting 480i.


Ultimately, I found another TV with component input and used crtemudriver to output whatever signal with composite sync to VGA -> SCART going into a transcoder to take it to component. It definitely took a lot more effort, but I can output at any resolution I want without any issues.

(Ignore the lack of blue in the image, the VGA -> SCART cable I soldered together had a bad blue solder joint)

>>9716734
i think 640x480 does output proper 480i, the text is quite sharp i prefer the slightly higher resolution though because a lot of programs are unusable at 480 and much better with 720*576. Also the 30hz is the max refesh rate it lets me set for some reason it says it supports up to 60hz but i cant set that.

>VGA -> SCART going into a transcoder to take it to component.
yeah thats sounds annoying though kek the reason i got a crt originally is because i got fed up of needing video converters and stuff for my old consoles are just wanted something plug and play

thought this was funny

>>9716779
adrians digital basement rgb modded one of these the other day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d64hDBI7CpY

>>9716786
Well now surely a 9" is worth $400 because some youtuber had one, right?

>>9716779
heh, armatures

>>9716790
doubt thats why its priced like that normies just think all crts are pvms

>>9716779
>>9716897

Apparently, consumer grail WEGA's demand a premium now.

I bought a 9inch Ikegami PVM a week or two ago and around the same time my 27 inch trinitron started arcing. Now I'm just gaming on the 9 inch and it's actually pretty nice. The tube isn't high tvl or anything, but I think it has higher quality components inside because I don't have the issue of streaking that I did with both of my 13 and 27 inch trinitrons.

>>9716941
I mentioned this because of that 9pt60 which I'm almost certain has worse quality picture.

What size is good to start with if you don’t want something that takes up a lot of room but still looks good if you play n64 games. Also how does resolution relate to the size of a tv you pick?

>>9715921
>yeah, as long as nothing's wrong with it. it's old, so the chances of it needing repairs is actually pretty good; better than you will admit. Everybody's glib about this stuff until you actually have to fix something. It doesn't make sense to pay 300 dollars for something that could easily need repairs the next day. I've done it, but it isn't smart or reasonable. Some people have better sense than that.
>These days, if you can't fix it yourself, paying for repairs will quickly become uneconomical and i'ts reasonable to take that into account when you're making a purchase

This 100%.

It only makes sense to buy a CRT if you are actually capable of repairing it yourself. Even the best CRTs are old now. Something will eventually go wrong.

It doesn't make economic sense for people with limited budgets to hire people to repair CRT TVs .

CRT collecting and usage are for retro gamers and people who want vintage equipment.

Yet because of 2020, the prices have gone through the roof.

>>9716949
20" 480i set would feel right for you. Avoid HD sets for 5th gen or below.

>>9716949
>looks good if you play n64 games
no such thing exists

>>9716949
13/14" is great for on a desk.
Resolution and size don't have any relationship. The only time resolution comes into play is if you want 480P or higher. Input types and good geometry are the most important factors in a CRT.

>>9716961
This is why I wouldn't pay $50 for a 14AF, my budget for bringing things home then throwing them in the trash is about $20 max.

I've had a 14" CRT for a while now but I want a bigger one but have no space for a bigger one

>>9716014
Yeah 180 is still not cheap at all for a used PC CRT monitor.

Going by my research into looking up photos of Japanese people's homes in the 80s and 90s I have come to the conclusion that televisions over 19" in size were a minority.

>>9716949
13/14 inch is the best imo

>>9717462
>I have come to the conclusion that televisions over 19" in size were a minority.
They weren't common here in the UK either i remember we used to watch a tiny tv probably 14 inch from across the room, was similar at friends and family until like the early 2000s

>>9716961
>It only makes sense to buy a CRT if you are actually capable of repairing it yourself.
This is FUD.

>>9716961
i'd be more confident in repairing it myself if there were still classes that teach you how, or even fully detailed youtube videos. Like thank god youtube has some tutorials for stuff but when it comes to PVM repair, its very minimal

>>9717583
>>9717478
It's a weird feeling being fully capable of fixing CRTs and seeing everyone else struggle with it.
Nobody should learn soldering/desoldering by working on video games. If you do you'll probably never be any good at it.

>>9717616
I wish I knew how to recap or knew someone who could recap my PVM for me

>>9717458
The G520's aren't just any PC CRT monitors, they're among the best ones ever made. That ~200€ range is a reasonable and fair price for any 21" ~130khz unit imo.

>>9717703
I know. That's why I said they were never cheap.

>>9717837
Eh I guess. Tho that is bit relative. Among CRTs, sure it's on the expensive side, but considering how these still outperform brand new OLED gaming monitors in crucial ways, that price is kind of a steal. But it is a 20 year old metric cube of inconvenience too.

I've only had composite televisions my entire life. I might go so far as to say that I've never even seen a component or RGB tv in person before. In all likelihood I probably did when I was a child, but I wouldn't have taken note of the difference in quality compared to the one at home. Should I stay blissfully unaware of the greener pastures that exist and remain content with my trusted old maid?

>>9717926
Do you like seeing every pixel clearly?

>>9717993
How clearly are we talking? Because I question if I would be able to tell that there is a noticeable, marked increase in clarity unless I was looking at two televisions side by side, one composite, and the other component/RGB. A little while back I posted a photo of my television screen in unintentionally perfect conditions, and an anon or two asked if it was component or RGB, when it was in fact composite. I can fish up that photo if you want, it's probably saved somewhere on my computer. Essentially I wonder if the upgrade would be 'worth' the effort, or if it is something I'd stop noticing after a day.

>>9718002
This clearly

>>9718009
That does look pretty impressive. Unfortunately I live in the boonies, so it might be a long time until I happen across a proper component tv available for me to acquiesce. Goes without saying if you can't get one locally, or via local listings like facebook marketplace, it is absolutely worth waiting instead of getting disintegrated by silly online prices.

>>9718024
I thoroughly recommend component and RGB for 6th gen consoles

>>9717926
Here's a pic of genesis on composite

>>9718178
this is either a shit TV or your settings are all wrong

>>9717926
and here's the same thing with RGB. Both pics are on the same screen, a BVM-14F5U

>>9718182
lol

>>9718190
>NTSC 7.5
there's your problem

>>9711617
toshiba 14AF46C

>>9718196
yeah, no

>>9718190
>be retarded
stay retarded

>>9717616
My advice for people would be to buy a decent CRT and enjoy it while it lasts. It may be 6 months it may be 20 years.

All things considered they are not *that* rare or *that* expensive. Even the expensive CRTs are very cheap compared to other hobbies.

>>9718232
That's what people say to justify overpaying for everything.

>>9717583

For anyone that wants to learn about CRTs, there are some older books out there that are helpful and worth tracking down. CRT, radio, cassette, and stereo repair shops used to be as common as small engine repair (something else that has gone away). Plenty of midwits got trained to be technicians and fixed 100s of tvs and monitors. You'll need to under stand some basic electronics. Any beginner analog circuits book that covers transformers and transistors is a good start.
Here's some resources that I like:
easy top level guide that's all over the place but covers a lot of terminology:
https://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq.htm
I have been reading this and it's surprising tv/crt heavy:
https://www.amazon.com/Troubleshooting-Repairing-Consumer-Electronics-Schematic/dp/0071421815
Here is a tube radio obsessed boomer that worked as a tv tech. It's not gay gamer shit that teaches you nothing like other channels. This guy fixes CRT tvs from the 1940s on up. he's worth watching to see how he uses equipment, tests components, inspects things for damage/fuckery and explains the evolution of the technology:
https://www.youtube.com/@shango066

that's just the beginning. I have found plenty of older tv repair books that have been helpful in learning and internalizing the functions of CRT technology. There is not a lot of computer monitor literature. It's very similar but horizontal deflection circuits are designed differently. Also by by the time CRT monitor technology was pulling way ahead of tvs, flat panels came along.

I was thinking of wiring up a geometry adjustment board to my jvc d-series crt's internal geometry adjustments, so I can on the fly adjust for different resolutions to fit. Anyone know where I can order a board like this?

>>9718236
$300 is not that much money.

>>9718243
The thing is I just don't care to get that deep into it. I own CRTs to play video games and watch old television shows. They are not a hobby unto themselves for me.

>>9718335
It's cheap for a car and expensive for a burger, the value of things is determined by more than "will I personally be bankrupt tomorrow if I pay this", you whore.

>>9711617
>Commodore 64 monitor

Basedo. Playing NES on this back in the day was the shit.

>>9718334
>Anyone know where I can order a board like this?
JLCpcb or OSHpark. You just have to learn KiCAD, Eagle or Altium first, design the board, then order it.
Serious answer is that you just relocate the pots off-board.

Does anyone know what the VM setting does on Sony Trinitrons?

>>9718549
Some bullshit sharpening crap that marketers used
Disable it

>>9718182
doesn't the genesis have nutritiously bad composite output?

>>9718589
I mean, it makes the n64 blur go away so maybe its worthwhile enough for that

>>9718604
Exceedingly so
However the colour seems really dull on his, although it could just be his camera

>>9718641
Kek, sure let’s go with that

>>9718642
>>9718642

Those are pictures from years ago, the saturation probably isn't correct. But it's not something I ever bothered tweaking, since I never really use composite on it anyway. Ignoring the saturation level though, the point is to demonstrate the smeariness of genesis composite vs RGB on the same display. I wasn't trying to compare colors.

A CRT getting a bit wet on the bottom should be fine, right? I've heard stories of these things sitting out in the rain and still being fine.

We found one and brought it to the garage, but with the snow melting it got a little wet in that area.

>>9718710
Well, they tend to have the main board on the bottom. At the very least I'd make sure to let it sit and dry out before daring to turn it on. You might want to take out the screws and take off the back and help dry it out. There's a potential for water damage if it was sitting for a while soaking wet but probably not an issue. You could always check for rust inside.

>>9718710
>A CRT getting a bit wet on the bottom
Anon wtf are you doing with your crt?

Here's Grim Guardians on a crt

>>9719124
How else am I supposed to clean it

>>9718361
It's cheap as far as hobbies go.

Someone near me is giving away to small Sanyo TVs like this, wonder if I should jump on 'em even though I don't need them.

>>9718009
Right one is not a CRT.

>>9719836
Yes it is

Recently moved to yurop, live in a small town and have no car to pick up a CRT. I'm looking at eBay.
I'm deciding between three CRTs--they are roughly the same price and have RGB SCART and NTSC support, I believe.

Can I get help identifying the best model? Sony naming conventions make it hard to both date products and know if they site on the same tier or if one was a fancier set. Models are:
>KV-M1400U
>KV-M1441U
>Panasonic TC-15M1R

>>9719924

>>9719927

>>9719924
Don't look on ebay, look on local ads dummy. Of those three I'd pick the first Sony though.

>>9719924
>Moved to Europe
You are probably better off scouting for Philips and Thomson sets.

>>9718337
same I just wanna be able to give it to somebody to fix, or if its simple enough do it myself. Sadly the only person I know who dealt with retro stuff no longer speaks to me otherwise i'd ask him about it.

>>9719962
Local ads base their prices off ebay. Any common consumer set here will be gone within hours of the ad getting posted.

There's a Multiscan Sony CRT Projector for 30 bucks near me, it has a "32 error" on it
Don't really want it but it looks neat

>>9720258

>>9720261

>>9720261

>>9714676
>American Traditional is corny but American Modern is just awful
Friend of ours actually used to own one of those, although theirs would have been a bit older, like early 80s. Big ulgy fucker but for its time it was a pretty massive screen to game on

>>9714662
>>9714671
>43"

My fucking dick, we have ourselves a lifter

>>9719924
I'd get the first Trinitron, it looks more modern, late 90s to be precise. The other Sony is probably from the early 90s, it reminds me of my uncle's old TV a bit.
How much are they? Don't pay any ridiculous prices anon, there's plenty of next-to-free CRTs in Europe.

I found this cute little antenna a thrift store a few weeks ago for 2 dollars. I think it's from the late 80's or early 90's. I absolutely love it. I thought I would post it here. It seems to be some off brand called Gemini III? It has a UHF, VHF connectors and a nob to dial them in. It's kind of sad this is the best antenna I have ever owned.

>>9720527
Too bad you can't pick up anything with it anymore.

>>9720543
I have a digital to analog converter box. I pick up around 80 stations on a good day. I found it at the same thrift store a few months ago for 2.50. It's now my bedroom TV.

what are some good BNC connectors I can get? as well as best capacitors to use for recapping my 1341?

>>9718183
Ive never seen a composite crt sonic that didnt look exactly like that. Your 2 pictures look like they were just taken at different angles.

Fuck all this worrying about a tv type you didnt even know existed when the system was out.

Anyone have issues picking up a CRT when they have dandruff? Not sure if I should show up with a hat or maybe even a hat+hood. Anyone ever been denied a CRT for having Dandruff?

>>9720914
Unless your head looks like one of a ghoul from Fallout it should be fine, as with going anywhere else. You do go out of your basement from time to time, right?

>>9719962
Been looking for months. Literally nothing in a 40km radius and then it's still eBay prices. No point renting a car when some of these will ship.

>>9720452
All three are auctions ranging from $40-80. I don't expect much bidding competition as the demand on consumer CRTs is pretty low despite what these sellers think.

>>9720914
top kek

Is it normal for the N64 to look a bit blurry on CRT displays? I'm waiting for an S Video cable to arrive so I'm guessing playing on composite is the main culprit?

>>9720923
>$40-80
Holy shit, for 14" TVs? That's ridiculous. I'm in Europe too and I got a barely used top model 25" Trinitron for a bit over 20€. Turned out the seller was like 500m down my street, lol. And there are LOTS of cheap CRTs nearby.
But you take what you can get... I wouldn't pay more than 50 though.
Move to Poland fren, we have almost zero nogs and CRTs galore.

>>9720928
how blurry are we talking, a bit is pretty normal
if you want super sharp either emulate or RGB mod it
the sharper you go, the worse the textures look btw

>>9720928
N64 is blurry no matter the connection. It's got a sort of a softening filter, you can't do anything about it without hacks. RGB mods let you disable it for good.
That said, S-Video will be a huge improvement of course. Stay away from composhit.

>>9720969
>Stay away from composhit.
looks good on my set

>>9720963
High end 14s are valued higher than 25-35" TVs most places these days because I don't think they were horrendously common to begin with, most people don't want living room CRTs in this day and age, and.they aren't a pain in the ass to move, Most CRTs over 25" just go straight into "please get this thing out of my house for me" territory.

>>9720967
The blurriness isn't a problem most of the time, but what really worried was Peach's "face" in this screenshot. I'm not 100% sure if this is just a result of the mix between 64's natural blurriness and composite, or if I need to adjust my 32FS100 somehow via settings. Thankfully, I have both a remote and an S Video cable so I can smash two birds with one stone.
>>9720969
Sadly I have to wait a few days for my S Video cable to arrive, but other than pic related, the game isn't terrible looking.

>>9720983
Both a remote and an S Video cable coming soon*

My retardation is showing.

So I just got a KV-13FS100 but when I plug in there's no power whatsoever, not even a standby light. Any ideas?

>>9720983
yeah that definitely looks pretty bad
have you set sharpness to high or too low?

>>9720983
actually, she does kinda look like that regardless

>>9720993
It's about inbetween. I'm guessing setting it on high might help?
>>9721000
Yes, besides that specific battle, she looks fine ingame. I'm guessing it might be the game but maybe it's a good idea to put it on a high sharpness.

>>9720963
>>9720982
Yup I'd love a big one but I moved to a small apartment and don't want to fill the space with a big setup. Most of my gaming stuff is back in Canada anyway--I only have my Dreamcast and Neo Geo with me. If it makes you feel better, when I move back home in a few years I will have my collection waiting for me, including a PVM I got for free back in 2011 and a couple arcade cabs.

>>9721004
nah mid should be fine

>>9721012
I wonder if it could be the focus on your set, get the S-video if you can though, you might like it a lot better

>>9721019
Thanks, I definitely will once it actually gets delivered. This is my first time owning a huge ass set like this so I appreciate your help man.

Changed the settings and it looks a lot better, but I'm gonna wait for my S Video cable so I can make more precise adjustments.

>>9720990
Check the fuse.

>>9721069
It definitely looks a lot blurrier than mine
Not gonna tell you to do it, but there a little potentiometer inside the TV that adjusts the overall sharpness to the centre or edges and I think it might need balancing

>>9721082
Is it an easy fix? It'd be my first attempt at doing something like that and I just moved this piece shit up three floors so I'm kinda scared of bricking an almost 170 pound giant.

>>9721085
it's not a "fix" it's messing with the setting, just on a hardware level
is anything else similar or just this?
if not don't bother

>>9721094
I see what you mean now. Still feel like I'll mess shit up somehow but I'll try. Surprisingly, I tried some Wii games and they looked crispy, had a lot less complaints about it. Connected it via component and set the Wii on 480i and 4:3. Looked fantastic. I'll keep on testing and playing the game to see if any more issues come up.

>>9721102
Yeah if other consoles don't have that issue, don't touch it

>>9721107
Will do. Thanks anon.

Zoomer here.
What's the signal arcade monitors used?
Was it composite or RGB ?
Also, did arcade games have the same resolution as console games at the time ie. 320*240?

>>9721201
Some did, a lot of them used 256x224

>>9721201
There is no one answer
Every arcade machine is essentially its own console and some have many games while others can be uniquely one game, I’d say majority used RGB but I don’t know about some of the older ones

>>9719650
yeah i'd just grab them. looks like RCA at least

>>9719924
be careful and really think about whether you want to ship it. it may not survive depending on a number of factors

>>9721217
>>9721260
I see, because I was recently playing Metal slug and I was comparing RGB with composite.
I have noticed that the waterfall has rainbow effect with composite signal.
Not sure if that was intentional

>>9712524
>>9712527
you got lucky, most of the ones that look simillar are complete trash.
Since its so cheap could you maybe crack it open to see what chipset it has?
should be possible without destroying it, exact specifications could be derived from that if they use an off the shelf chip, which is highly likely in a noname adapter

>>9721790
It's actually pretty simple to open, it's just held together with clips.

NX3303B
P09C62.00
2237

Absolutely zero information on the webs.

>>9721843
cant believe that actually outperforms the delock, doesnt even have a specsheet, just "1080p"

>>9712527
Im considering this, could you elaborate on the EDID issues?
With DP to VGA I get the EDID from the CRT I connect and not the adapter, is this not the case here?

>>9722078
Yep it's pretty hilarious.

>>9722095
I didn't test it too much but it only gave me a few low resolutions like 1024x768. It could just be my system (proprietary nvidia drivers xd) fucking things up.

>>9722124
sounds more like a linux issue to me, this is what happens on my linux machine when it can't exactly tell what model the monitor is.
If you have a windows machine you could look at the display adapter properties and see if the actual name of the monitor shows up instead of generic pnp monitor , there should be a way to do this in Linux aswell I think.

>>9721201
99% of the time it is RGB.

Exceptions for
-black and white games
-vector games
-a few laserdisc games that used composite video

Resolutions are divided into standard, medium, and high resolution. Also called 15.7 khz, 24.8 khz, and 31.5 khz.

Standard resolution is *around* 320x240 with some being a bit higher or a bit lower and sometimes playing with the refresh rate to squeeze just a little more resolution out of the game.

>>9721843
Since you have a few nice tools could you maybe check if the peak to peak voltage exceeds 0,7 volts on the RGB lines?
I read about cheap adapters killing monitors some time ago and this is the only thing I came up with that might explain that

>>9722169
There's a simpler way to test this, just connect it to an LCD. If there's too much voltage, you'd see white crush. And I don't see it with this adapter, 254-255 checkerboard is still visible.

>>9722130
It DOES let me read the name of this LCD I connected it to. So EDID probably works, sometimes.

>>9722183
Good tip with the white crush, if the name of the monitor can be read it might just be some weird issue with that particular OS and Monitor combo at that time, that kind of thing can just be annoying at times.
I might take a chance on this adapter since its almost free, I hope there isnt some kind of silicon lottery involved with getting one that performs well.
Do you have any issues with color at high bandwith?
Some adapters force YUV colorspace or have other weird issues when pushed

>>9722183
>just connect it to an LCD
not him but what lcd takes RGB that isn't a trimaster?

>>9722205
>Do you have any issues with color at high bandwith?
Nope, everything looked normal at 360mhz.

>>9722209
Anon, older LCDs almost always have a VGA port ...

>>9722209
some cheap LCDs only have a VGA port, but these were ewaste tier even when new

>>9722209
Every discrete LCD display in my house but for the 240Hz monitor I bought last year including the TV has a VGA port, even now it's on most 1080/1440 60/75Hz monitors on the market.

>>9722434
>>9722226
>>9722219
didn't realize you people were talking about pc monitors. I have no interest in pc monitors

folks what's the best way for me to play (mostly) 16 bit style arcade games on my crt? am i going to have to invest in a mister? id rather not daisy chain converters from to composite from a pc

>>9722448
no need for any 350mhz DACs for TVs, SD Video is less then 15mhz

>>9722465
A VGA LCD screen will take 240p RGB with composite sync?

What's the energy consumption for PVM's like? I'd assume it would be quite high but I'm curious to see if anyone's ran the numbers.

>>9722482
alot of them do but they all upscale it horribly.
Many old Monitors even had composite along with VGA and DVI

>>9722485
My 14M2 is about 60w, 14L5 was like 80w. 20L2 is under 120w.
This is all from memory of when I had them hooked up to a meter. The actual wattage changes constantly and depends on what is shown on screen.

>>9722454
what kind of CRT do you have?
what pieces of gaming hardware do you already own?

>>9722562
>My 14M2 is about 60w, 14L5 was like 80w. 20L2 is under 120w.
Interesting. That's honesty not too bad if you use it like a normal appliance and turn it off when you're not using it.
>The actual wattage changes constantly and depends on what is shown on screen.
Makes sense.
Running a bunch of high end PVM/BVM's for a kiosk/nostalgia situation sounds wasteful in this day and age.

>>9722714
just a normal NA consumer set, composite. hardware wise i just have retro consoles, plus a wii

>>9721723
>I have noticed that the waterfall has rainbow effect with composite signal.
that is just an artifact of NTSC and isn't supposed to be there, even on Sonic

>>9722728
It's not a lot of power at all. I never run them at the same time. The power usage is comparable to an old lightbulb. Electricity is extremely cheap, you should never worry about it unless a device is multiple hundreds of watts.

>>9723062
It's probably supposed to be there on Sonic.

>>9723152
>>9723062
It's not because of NTSC per se, it's just model 1 genesis having really dogshit encoding that also causes these thick vertical stripes to be on the screen at all times. It's not an intentional "rainbow waterfall" effect or any cope like that. It's present at all times on model 1 genesis via composite, it's just easiest to see during false transparency effects (such as sonic 1 waterfall or sonic 2 chemical plant tubes). But even on a solid blue background they're incredibly apparent.

>>9723264
it is NTSC
specifically it's caused by the overlap of colours through the dithering as you say
the rainbow effect is not present on PAL

>>9723405
I'm specifically talking about this effect. It's specific to genesis model 1

>>9723264
For what it matters, the video encoder and other internals still vary from model 1 to model 1 and model 2 to model 2 so some are shit and some are...less shit in both. I really need to get around to testing what the fuck the meme waterfall looks like on a Wii.
>composite no trap filter basically looks like you'd expect without rainbows
>composite with trap filter still looks fully transparent just with sharper contrast between white and blue
>component looks like solid lines as you'd expect
Component with Genesis Plus GX's NTSC filter looks a lot like the second but with component color and slightly jankier. Annoying the SNES9X family on Wii don't have the trap filter option.

>>9723409
It's caused by NTSC but the hardware is responsible for how well it's mitigated or exaggerated. Like on PS3 and some stuff on Wii you can trade more rainbow artifacts for less blur but the Genesis somehow sucks shit at both.

Any way to get rid of whining on a PC CRT? It only happens in 640x480, and goes away when I bend the circuit board up or down. It happens around the flyback, could that be it?

>>9723704
yes, most likely the big capacitor near the flyback if it isn't an induction coil

>>9714082
For GameCube, Swiss has an option to force the vertical filter off.

So the only CRT I still have in my set-up is my PC CRT. But I kind of want to fuck around with playing some flash carts on my SNES. Will this AV2VGA Mini do the job of upscaling the image to display on my PC CRT?
Since it is analog to analog conversion I don't think there should be any lag, but wouldn't surprise me at all if there was. Thing is only eight bucks. I'm not looking to get too much money invested here.

>>9724018
sure but at that point youd be better off just using an lcd with composite in

>>9724018
>720p/1080p
Yeah it will mangle it real good.

>>9717693
Recapping is not difficult. Just tedious.
Make a discharging tool using a length of old extension cord and a flathead screwdriver.
Take your PVM apart and take pictures and write notes along the way so you know how to put it back together. Keep track of all the screws and small parts by taping them to a piece of paper and labeling them.
Learn what the few dangerous parts are and don't touch them.
Once you have all the PCBs out, recapping is the easy but time-consuming part.

To the Anon who was wondering if the Wii rescales 240p content to 620x240 no matter the resolution, I can confirm that it does seem to do that, at least in Mednafen. Scrolling in Salamander produced a lot of warping/shimmering. Not sure if RetroArch can get around this or not (maybe by playing at 512x224), but I somehow doubt it.

>>9724663
How did you test this?

>>9724710
Ran Salamander for PC Engine and looked at the horizontal scrolling and noticed the warp/shimmer that you usually get from improper scaling. Ran the same game on my PC with integer scaling and had no such warping/shimmering. Do you know of any horizontal shmups for SNES I could use to test SNES 9X?

>>9724719
I never noticed that effect on my Wii, but I never played PC Engine titles on it.

>Do you know of any horizontal shmups for SNES I could use to test SNES 9X?
I don't know about the SNES but there's Gleylancer for the MD.

>>9724663
Yeah I later found some confirmation it does but apparently the Wii's hardware scaling is pretty good for a consumer TV at least because I can look at the vertical bars in 240p test suit on 256x240 and it's really hard to tell they're not perfectly even without being obviously blurred. Like if I look at it way out I guess I can see the pattern of slightly wider white lines every few but then I look closer to make sure it's not in my head and can't see it anymore so in any other scenario it's effectively invisible, at least without perfect geometry. There's an edge case I'd otherwise like to test with Tekken 1 having a temple background with 1 pixel alternating rooftops in 512x480 but I'm not emulating 32 bit consoles on a Wii anyways so it doesn't really matter.

Maybe Mednafen is going straight from 256 to 640 instead of doubling it first like the more developed Wii emulators, or doing it internally? That could be why I was getting blatantly uneven pixels in Retroarch due to one of the billion settings too I guess. I wonder if the Gamecube had a significant amount of 512x480 games like PS2 and that's why it's really good at that? I'd have to see if 384x240 games have more problems but I don't feel like the Wii is a great way to emulate CPS-2 or personally have a lot of interest in CPS-1 regardless.

>>9724018
>analog to analog conversion
I think since it is upscaling there is a digital step involved.

>>9724832
Gamecube did have a lot of 512x480 games actually, I know the Baten Kaitos games were off the top of my head. In more still scenes I don't notice the scaling at all, I only ever notice it with slow-paced horizontal scrolling, so I agree it is pretty good.

Check out this beauty I dredged from my garage:
Sony CPD-420GST
I'm looking forward to hooking it up to my old windows 98 PC and play some 3dfx games or the mister to emulate older computers and see what happens

>>9725083
that looks clean af nice
>>9724218
Would I have to use caps of the same voltage?

>>9725234
I just cleaned it with a microfiber cloth and distilled water, there's still a lot of old dust on the sides but at least I could make the glass look nice.
This thing is so damn heavy and bulky, I don't know where to put it to use it comfortably

>>9725234
>Would I have to use caps of the same voltage?
same or higher, also look for 105c rated caps if you can. also the height / diameter / lead spacing might need to match depending on if there's enough space

>>9725273
ok i'll keep that in mind, and sadly the guy didnt include BNc connectors but im assuming they are just female to female So I can plug consoles and stuff in

>>9725083
very nice, these were the last generation of curved Monitors

I got some old tvs in storage that have these DIN connectors in place of SCART or even composite, what's the deal with these?
Pic related is from a tv I have that has both, but I also have one with only DIN connectors, would component work with adapters? what about RGB or anything else?

>>9725290
and I meant composite when I said component, you know the one that has just the yellow cable for video and white/red for audio

>>9711668
> California

There's your problem lol

>>9725317
yeah living in soCal is ass for CRT's but sometimes you get luckiy and people just dont want em anymore

>>9725083
I have an even older CPD-300SF laying around doing nothing. 20" .30mm tube in this.

>>9725340
beautiful

Why does my crt make a crackling sounds every so often, like when you turn a crt off but just one crackle?

>>9725416
Hopefully just built up static electricity, may be a grounding issue, hopefully not arcing or something terrible

>>9725323
>socal
You missed out. 5 years ago, I was drowning in PVMs. I tried out 6 different PVMs and 2 different BVMs within a 12 month span.

>>9725443
people were selling but still expensive at the time, during covid anyway idk about 5 years ago I didnt get back into retro stuff until recently

Yep S-Video on PSX is a mistake. I didn't even realize there was so much dithering in Armored Core. But it was seven fiddy and has a composite plug, so it's fine I guess.

>>9715660
looks and feels good to me
all that matters

I have a request.
Can someone please display the character select screen from Super Street Fighter II Turbo on their RGB CRT?

>>9725483
>But it was seven fiddy and has a composite plug, so it's fine I guess.
Why even bother. I bet the shielding is dogshit as well.

>>9726197
You make a reasonable point but I mean I basically didn't have much expectation for heavily using S-Video to begin with so I didn't want to throw money at it just to see what it's like on my cheapo TV, and I can't see any checkerboarding. It's actually alright for a really clean hi-res game like Crash 2 and probably some 3D fighters depending what they do with backgrounds, but even Spyro at the same resolution as Crash I'd take composite.

chairs make decent stands for small TVs, the backrest ensures the TV cant fall

>>9726573
why are you German?

Need to adjust the geometry of my Trinitron. This is the remote I've got. No Display button and the power button doesn't seem to work on the TV. Can I still get into the service menu?

>>9726776
What TV? Is that the remote that came with it?
DISPLAY, 5, VOL+, TV should get you to the service menu.
Display is the [i+] button. TV is the empty rectangle under mute.

>>9725340
bet you're glad you pulled that thing out of storage, eh? i would've kept the Lions sticker on it

>>9727024
Different anon and different monitor

>>9726776
>>9726776
i have two of these remotes that came with 2 different trinitrons, they seem to be universal as they work with all the ones ive had, the trinitron i have at the moment has a larger remote thats double sided (buttons on both sides, u can remove it from the outer case and turn it round, one side is for normal tv basic functions, the other side is for tv/satellite and has menu functions)

thie remote in your pic works on the same tv but i think i can only access the menu with the big remote, possibly, i forget.

if i can find the remote ill post pics.

also the power button had broken off of mine and i lost it somewhere, i have to stick a screwdriver in to press the switch, what do u mean by no display button? also what model is the tv.

>>9726573
what gaymu

I got a couple of crts they are just some like 27 inch or so rcas. I can't afford the nice Sony ones or pvms but I will try to get my hands on them one day if the opportunity arrives. I want to get into this hobby, since it's how I always gamed as a kid til I got my first flat screen hd when I was like 24.

>>9726776
Unless you have an extremely good reason to get into the service menu you should just stay out of it.
And IF you do then write down every single setting first thing you do when you go in and then look up what ever single code does before you change a single thing. If you can't find a definition online for what a code does then do not change it. Be very aware of what buttons you are pressing at all time and be very deliberate with your navigation of the menu.

Get in, change exactly what you need to and only what need to, and get out. And then don't touch it again. Usually the only good reason to enter a service menu is to reduce the overscan on a consumer CRT.


And do not reset to factory default no matter what you do.

>>9727217
super paper mario

>>9715762
lovely, thank you. Got a link to the scans?

Is a PVM 1340 worth going for? How good is it compared to the other Trinitron PVMs?

>>9720258
Tassiebro and all. I saw that today, but i really shouldn't take it on...

>>9728852
Yo buddy, yeah
Hard to justify a trip to Hobart to pick up something I’d only use once after I fixed it

>>9728356
13 inch is pathetically small. 20 inch for PVMs, at least 17 for PC CRT monitors.

>>9728356
How expensive is it?

I have a 300 pound sony crt that I no longer want but can't throw out or even move :(

>>9729071
put it on facebook marketplace, someone will pay for it and take it off your hands
must be a big one at 300 pounds

>>9729072

it was originally my dads but I think this retard smoked maybe 500 cigars in a closed room with it watching sports so its picture is shitty

>>9728356
13 is usually good for small desk and streaming setups, if you want more of a game room CRT go for 20. I have a 1341 right now and its perfect next to my PC tower

>>9729074
someone will fix it
show a picture of it

Here's another fun thing from the garage: a Videotel terminal (they call it Minitel in france).
It has a serial DIN connector, a circuit can be easily made to convert it to serial and text can be sent to it from a linux computer or arduino, I'm looking forward to playing around with it.
The CRT should be monochromatic

>>9729074
Aslong as the picture tube doesnt have a million hours it can probably restored to near factory condition with a little TLC
If the tube is bad its trash

>>9729043
About $130. Yeah, I was kinda disappointed about how tiny that screen is, too.

>>9729572
14" PVMs sell for 360€ here

>>9728356
>>9729572
1340 has decent inputs, but condition is everything. That price is good if it's in good condition.

>>9716961
CRTs can be pretty reliable. My daily driver has 82k hours on it. Besides having a CRT then loosing it, it still better than never having a CRT at all. We will all die one day, live in the now.

>>9719848
it looks bad

The mask on the cheapo flatscreen I'm using is so thiggg at the edges the screen door effect reminds me of low resolution LCDs like the GBA.

>>9728356
Too small.

running this unicomp i picked up at a thrift store through an arduino to play typing of the dead. what do we think bros?

>>9730226
typing of the dead? excuse me we only play typing of the date here.

>>9728960
13 inch is pretty comfy

>>9723810
Unfortunately I think it's the flyback. I was poking at it with a straw, and got it to where it will whine unless I put slight pressure on the top of flyback. Specifically the cable that goes to the anode cap. I put a folded-up straw under the bottom to fix it. Is it delaminating? Will my monitor die within the next few months?

>finally make room for a CRT again
>get fucked over on some old dude giving away 3 for free on FB Marketplace by some dude who's probably gonna try to flip them to retards on eBay
>can't find anything else on FB/Craigslist/etc.
>post a listing saying I'm looking for them
>2 days with no replies
5 years ago there was a fucking million of them that people couldn't get rid of, I had a 32" Trinitron I think I paid $20 for. I hate everything.

>>9731157
>5 years ago
You sure you don't mean 7 years ago at the latest?

>>9731157
You probably threw that Sony away right?
I hope you atleast gave it away to someone, if not then you pretty much deserve it

>>9729584
you were saying?
speaking of which, I know another finnish website that it seems to be unaware of the retro meme yet with reasonable prices.
But I will die before I tell anyone about it

>>9731464
My brother, that monitor was listed mere moments ago.
Watch it get bid to 120€ and beyond, like this 17" Eizo with a starting price of 1 cent.

>finally find a listing for a decent PC monitor near me
>message seller three times, no response

I'm never going to own one, am I

>>9731157
Welcome to hell. It took me TWO AND A HALF YEARS to find a half decent replacement for my old busted one. Upside is that the one I eventually ended up finding and getting was free. And physically cosmetically perfect, if you're into that.

whoever lives in shithole West Virginia should get this ASAP
marketplace/item/1922257574790092/

what are pvms exactly? do they normally have these ports and nothing else?

Is there any money to be made on these?
I have a 24 inch sony trinitron in very good condition its only missing the original remote.
how much could I sell it for?

>>9732009
you should trade it for a rope to hang yourself with

>>9732015
stfu underage moron

Got this in the garage, I'm looking forward to restoring it soon, too bad there's no info at all on its capabilities, other than schematics, which will be useful for restoring but I'll find out if the RGB scart works for NTSC only after It's done

>>9731949
I'm no expert but that Y/C port may be s-video

>>9732134
Correct YC or Luma/Chroma or the black & white signal/color signal is S-video

>>9732027
piss off scalper

>>9731949
PVMs are just pro monitors. they're like a tv, but no tuner and mono audio (typically, PVM-2030 had detachable stereo speakers.)

The smaller ones are usually limited for ports. Bigger PVMs and BVMs intended for video editing/broadcast or medical use with high clarity video would have RGBs, YPbPr, SDi ports ect

>>9732124
that's a beauty anon, very cool monitor

>>9730226
good score on the unicomp anon, looks like a perfect setup. I bet typing feels so satisfying on that thing

>>9732882
it says monitor but it's a TV

I finally managed to identify catalogue all my CRTs I have in my garage, is there any reason to not use the biggest trinitron 420GS for everything?
I plan to use a pentium 2 PC to do anything from DOS to windows games with 3dfx, would lower resolution graphics look any worse than a monitor that supports only lower resolutions?

>>9732886
TVs are monitors. Any display device is a monitor.

>>9733309
Monitors that only support lower resolutions tend to also have bigger dot pitches. This means that pixels will not be as sharp, but will blend together more. It's going to be based on how far away you are from your computer screen too. What do you prefer?

>>9733309
the scanlines might be more apparent on the bigger, higher frequency capable monitors at low resolutions.

I don't get it...
what do you guys see in crt monitors?
They can't even do 240p.
the only good use for them is hooking up a Dreamcast or an XBOX on them

>>9734260
You know retro PC gaming exists right?

>>9734260
It's still better than an LCD and can do arbitrary aspect ratios. High TVL PVM RGB 240p and a PC monitor at whatever vertical integer aren't much different.

Interlaced is horrible dogshit
TVs without 576p@100Hz is dogshit
the only way to use interlacing is 2048x1536i@160Hz at high end monitors

>>9734260
Motion clarity is thousands of times more important than 240p. Playing 2d games on an LCD is absolute shit, completely unusable.

>>9734282
>TVs without 576p@100Hz is dogshit
Well good thing that pretty much 99% of all console software was 240p prior to 6th gen making that mostly a non issue

>>9734285
Consoles are goyslop.
90s-00s PC games never obsolete.

>>9733751
>>9734026
I added dot pitch to the table for the ones I could find one.
I suppose that if I want to play a lot of 2D games that make use of dithering I'll need a higher dot pitch?
Interestingly enough the multiscan 420GS is listed as having 0.25-.27mm variable dot pitch aperture grille and 0.28 seems to be the highest I have.
I suppose I'll have to try the trinitron and one of the .28 ones and see which I like best.
>>9734260
yeah it's too bad that the lowest resolution is 640x480 but I plan to either emulate computers on the mister or straight up use a pentium 2 of the era with it
For the rest I have a giant ass TV >>9732124

>>9734282
>>9734295
Fake non posts, this is the anti CRT autist

>>9734260
I don't play retro games. I play modern games. And CRT is still king for that.