/vr/ - Retro Games

what kind of basedjak is this

>>9680079
Seek Christ.

>>9680076
steelsticks haven't updated their site in like 5 years or something like that. It's dead, Jim.

it was a stupid idea to start with

>>9680076
Just figure out how to fix the conversion from resistance to optical and you'll be fine. 64 sticks are born to shit their own pants.

>>9680237
That wouldn't change anything. The sensors work perfectly fine. Having optical sensors on the daughter board instead would change nothing since the issue is the physical grinding of the gears/bowl that eventually leads to looseness

>>9680249
someone needs to 3D scan a brand new stick and bowl and share it so people can 3d print/smelt their own sticks.

>>9680260
it's already been done. Kitsch-bent makes replacement parts, I think there's another supplier now too.

>>9680249
the inaccuracies of third party replacements are due to poorly configured analog encoders, they haven't studied the way n64 interprets analog input to make it so standard resistance based sticks can capture the same range and accuracy. It shouldn't be relying on these autistic never-in-stock in-development parts which will have a shit ton of problems to sort long term. Making a PCB with a tuned encoder and a drop in set of througholes for a standard ALPS RJ* pointer would solve it all.

>>9680265
are they a good price or like $75 for a 1/2oz of plastic?

>>9680269
They cost like 2-3 dollars or something like that. I've heard some people say theirs were kinda wonky, so there might be an RNG factor in terms of how good yours are. But they're also so cheap that you can just buy a bunch of them for peanuts and play the numbers game.
I bought a few for my most worn-out controllers and I've been pretty happy with the results. Just make sure to use plenty of silicone grease on everything.

>>9680274
line the bowl with grease? or just the ball at the bottom of the stick

>>9680283
I coated everything in grease. The bottom of the stick, the gears, the bowl ,the holes where you put the spinning discs (the part that gets read by the sensors, you take them out of your OEM bowl and put them in the new one)

>>9680286
im remember that.
you were right about kitchbent, im going to order some parts. do i need a new bowl too?

>>9680292
Yeah, you should get a full set. If you were to open up your OEM stick, you'd see a bunch of white plastic powder everywhere. That shit is the bowl getting ground away.

>>9680305
thanks man. ordered a few pairs for the controllers i still have. is there any other good stuff at that site?

>>9680327
Not sure, it's the only thing I've bought from them.
Also if you have an everdrive, there's an N64 analogue stick tester rom you can load that will let you assess how good your sticks are. Good for checking before/after and making sure you did everything correctly and such.

>>9680274
I tried the kitsch bent parts like 5 years ago. The tolerances of the gears were not correct in any dimension. Literally every section was a slightly different shape. The wheels wouldn't spin smoothly on the new bowl.
My opninion is they're only good for turning a 2/10 broken stick controller into a 6/10 backup controller

>>9680260
Someone needs to permaban every faggot who shitposts about 3D printing everything.
The models already exist. You can't "just 3D print it brah". I mean, you can. It'll just work poorly and wear out many times faster than the original.

>>9680267
Plenty of faggots have made that PCB. Undoubtedly plenty of them have fucked up the encoder. But this isn't necessarily entirely due to retardation. There are fundamental challenges in converting values from pots to the signal the controller is expecting. Ironically, the N64 "analog" stick is very much digital. There are also physical differences between standard analog thumb sticks and the N64 one that make them less than ideal as a replacement.

I can't believe they rereleased them with the same issues

Can someone else not just start a business of selling these things? Is it that hard to get small steel components produced? I'm confused.

>>9680815
Anyone can start a business doing anything as long as they don't mind wasting their money making things faggots won't buy. All these projects don't fail because gainfully employed adults are beating down the door and throwing wads of cash them. You can cry about wanting new toys until the cows come home. Until mommy is willing to get out her credit card and buy them for you you're getting jack shit.

>>9680880
There are companies who make accessories and replacement parts for old consoles, and seem to get by doing it. I don't understand why this, specifically seems to be such a job.

>>9680265
>>9680269
>>9680274
Kitsch's parts are shitty and don't adhere to spec.

>>9681248
Is there a better alternative for replacement parts?

>>9680583
>You can't "just 3D print it brah". I mean, you can. It'll just work poorly and wear out many times faster than the original.
There's a lot to that, it'll depend on the material you're using, the density, as well as what you're actually printing, and you'll probably need to do some finishing to the parts for anything mechanical, to make sure everything is appropriately proportioned and shaped. There's a lot you can get away with with the right approach.

For an example, a guy on /k/ wanted to shoot an old blackpowder Snider rifle, but his problem is that it's antiquated as fuck and .577 Snider ammunition hasn't been made for 70+ years.
The common solution in these situations is that you'd load your own cartridges, but the problem is that there's no commonly available casings to use, and the stuff which you could adapt to work is limited, and you'd probably need to make an expensive custom order, thus he sets out to try to 3D print his own cartridge case.
First he uses a rigid PLA and a 9mm Parabellum casing to hold a primer for him, it fires, but the plastic case doesn't obturate (seal) the breach at all, thus it leaks gases when firing, and the 9mm casing backs out of the plastic case. He changes his approach, using a flexible TPA material and a .38 Special casing, and this works EXCELLENTLY, far outside any of the expected specs of this antique, but the slightly squishy plastic case holds together perfectly fine and its flex keeps the breach sealed, the plastic TPA casing is good enough to clean up and load again. It's like the gun was made for this.

He dubs his creation the .577 Zoomer

I'm not gonna say that you can necessarily solve the N64 controllers problem with 3D printing, at least not all of them and probably not directly, but it's the kind of thing which can help. Perhaps what you could use 3D printing for is to create jigs to help with making parts another way, it's an incredibly flexible tool.

>>9681239
It's not this specifically that's "such a job" This is one, of a number of things, that people cry about whether available or not. When they are they cry about the price. When they're not they cry about lack of availability. Sadly, as delicious as the tears of poor children are, you can't actually bottle them and make a business off that.

>>9681310
Not really, the N64 controller is a frustrating situation because they have this exact feel and fine precision which many of the games are just joined with the hip with, but it has this unconventional design and these durability problems.

If you have a mint or good condition N64 controller, I suggest to you VERY STRONGLY to acquire a mechanical grease suitable for plastic mechanisms and to apply it into the analog stick, because this was either done poorly or not at all, and the lubrication does a LOT to reduce wear.
You can kind of use anything, a guy on here used some coconut fat to prove a point, but I personally I'd want to avoid something which will turn rancid and start to smell.

>>9680329
That is bad ass!

>>9681350
I'd be perfectly willing to pay up for a steel stick, I see it as an investment, but it's just not available at all is the problem.
Kitsch Bent parts exist, but I don't think they're any good, and I don't think any of the substitute controllers available are good either.

>>9681356
Yeah sometimes Krikzz throws in some goodies with the everdrive software. If I remember correctly the N64 Everdrive has an NES emulator included.

>>9681352
I wouldn't recommend anything oil based though. Plastics are an oil-based product so over time the oil can actually integrate into the plastic and mess with the structure. That's why people recommend silicone grease for plastic instead.
I agree that the KB parts aren't absolutely PERFECT, but the ones I've used all perform well in diagnostic tests after some lubrication. They hit very close to OEM parts for the perimeter and are still tight for fine movements near the center. But like I said, there can be some RNG and you might get unlucky and have to try different parts and swap them around to get a good result. I can only speak for myself.

I have one OEM stick that's still really good since it was the "backup" controller when I was a kid so it rarely got used. Still pretty tight so I just applied some silicone grease to the stock parts and it's still great.

>>9681346
>.577 Snider ammunition hasn't been made for 70+ years
Yeah, that's bullshit, but I expect nothing less from /k/. Any faggot who's used a shotgun knows a casing can be made of plastic. Paper even. As the original cartridges for the .577 were.
Rather than being a great example of how you can 3D print anything and everything, your tale is really a great example of the rampant ignorance there is about 3D printing. PLA is famously not air tight. Your lads failure to achieve the effectiveness of a rolled up newspaper should come as no surprise to even amateur "makers".
And it has nothing to do with tiny parts grinding away against each other thousands of times. Or the clear need to permaban any idiot who chimes in with "just 3d print it brah".
3d printers are great tools. I own several at work and at home. You could absolutely 3d print controller parts and then machine the contacting bits to make them usable. But you can not "just 3d print it brah" and get a usable part.

>>9681357
That's all well and good to say, but since it't not actually a complete solution I'm skeptical of how truthful it is. A steel still is no major improvement. The bowl is what matters. But it's all useless when your gears go to shit. So work out what you actually need. Then come up with a price you'd be willing to pay for it. If it's enough and you can find enough other people willing to pay that much then the part makers will be falling over themselves to deliver. Simple as.

>>9681586
The steelstix parts include a metal bowl too. Not that it matters when the parts are unavailable anyway

>>9681667
Well there you go. You don't know what you actually need, and likely wouldn't be willing to pay enough for it to make production viable. I certainly wouldn't pay $100+ for the parts when I have dozens of perfectly good spares and can get more for a fraction of that price.
And that's why they are unavailable.

>>9680329
>there's an N64 analogue stick tester rom
Is this it?
https://github.com/Ryzee119/n64_controller_test

>>9681549
I actually wasn't aware you could use shotgun shells for making .577 Snider, but I guess that makes a lot of sense. I actually don't recall if he found himself doing it by necessity because he thought he didn't have any options, or because he wanted to see if he could do it.

He mentioned some initial accuracy issues, that the projectile turned out to be undersized, which I don't know if it was an error on his part, or that something was up with the rifle. I know that some Snider rifles made in Nepal have made their way to the west, and that there were also some guns (not necessarily Sniders) made in that country which did not adhere to standardized bore diameter, that you needed to make sure of what that actually was before shooting them.
I was almost gonna suggest that it could have been bored out to use as a shotgun (which isn't rare for rifles and muskets of these older periods), but it wasn't a smoothbore.

>But you can not "just 3d print it brah" and get a usable part.
Oh, yeah, of course not. It was a brief R&D process for him I guess.

>>9681667
>>9681851
The stick and bowl are steel, but apparently the gears are original worn out plastic ones which are meticulously heated and reshaped. I'm not sure why those aren't made out of steel.

>>9680880
so long as le waitlist is full, I'm not gonna listen to bullshit like
>what if nobody wants to pay for them all my niche hobbyist efforts are for nothing :'''((((
if you're too autistic to make things without having guaranteed buyers, or too much of a lazy nigger to finish the design in the first place, then fine, do what you want, but don't confuse being a pussy faggot with entrepreneurial sense
there's shit that's way more obscure than the main control stick on a basedtendo that people are able to make good money out of just fine, while giving people things that improve their enjoyment of a common interest, and they don't cry over five of their thousand units (of functional product!) having to sit around for a few months until the next wave of interest

>>9680076
>the year is 2041
>Floigan is still the future

>>9681874
The banjo boys on /k/ can make a shotgun shell out of anything. They may not have the right number of teeth, fingers, or even chromosomes. But they can make anything blowed up real good.

>apparently the gears are original worn out plastic ones which are meticulously heated and reshaped
Yes. I wouldn't believe someone could be so retarded if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.
>I'm not sure why those aren't made out of steel.
No surer way to fuck up the gears on the code wheel. Then you're in an even bigger mess. Reproducing that isn't as simple and straight forward as the other parts. This is just more of the same friction/wear problem that the "just 3d print it brah" bros are mentally cockblocked by. The guy who did brass parts with plastic gears where they contact the code wheel was on the right track. But I'm not aware of anyone selling.

>>9683082
>so long as le waitlist is full, I'm not gonna listen to bullshit like
Yeah, you're just gonna stamp your foot and hold your breath until the waitlist that hasn't seen a single shipment in how many years isn't full. lmfao.
>u-u-u r autsitic lazy cause you don't gimme oompaloompa now
And this is why no one wants to deal with faggots like you. You don't actually play games do you. It's just an excuse to act entitled and throw a tantrum. I'm surprised you didn't demand to speak to my manager.

>>9683791
nice job ignoring the point, retard
full waitlist = there obviously is a significant demand, and your projecting about virgins not shelling out mom's money doesn't fucking work as a reason the product isn't available
go ahead, continue projecting about tantrums and not actually playing games, it's to be expected from an armchair faggot who acts so superior to /k/ on a retro game board

Here is a little secret.
The Sharkpads/super pads had a nearly perfect analog stick that never goes limp.
But for some reason idiotic cocksucking shit tubers talk shit about these controlers because they don't like the shape.

>>9683893
I like this Superpad, but I do wonder if it will eventually go to shit like my other controllers. What makes you think they'll stay good? Are they designed differently?

>>9683940
They use OG potentiometers and the mechanism is spring based with not plastic pieces grinding against each other.
You wont ever find a pad with this type of stick with a limp stick, worst you will find is busted wires and pads with the plastic top on the analog missing cause faggots would pull them out and shove them up their asses.

>>9683940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2gV2j9EnSw
Here, this is why it will never go limp.

>>9683940
I went over to some kid's house and he just got a new superpad, so he told me I had to use the normal n64 controller and I said, "Ok the real ones are better than off brand." That made him start questioning things and the next time I went over there he made me use the superpad. Then we compared them in starfox and the sensitivity is different.
It sucks that the real sticks are a consumable resource but nobody ever made something that can match a brand new one.

>>9683817
The waitlist isn't full faggot. 50% of the people on it have died from eating tidepods since they signed up. But surely they'll open up those space now that you've thrown a tantrum on the internets. They'd be fools not to gear up for production when they have ones of angry children literally shaking because no one is making them an oompaloompa right now. That's "the point" right?

>>9680286
how are they holding up?

I have a couple of original-condition controllers - is it worth coating those in grease before i start using them?

>>9684205
Absolutely

>>9683893
That shape looks fucking horrible though. But, is the stick bespoke to that controller, or could I graft it onto an original one as a replacement?

>>9680076
n64 cope right there
n64 was never good

>>9683817
>full waitlist = there obviously is a significant demand
I do wonder how many of them legit customers that want one opposed to how many are scalpers, because once the guy finally ships them out, there's several listings on Ebay with absurd prices at around $150 for just the fucking bowel to $200 - $300 for the full set.
Don't try being reasonable by haggling with them either. These cunts are in it for the money.

>>9680292
>>9680305
If you buy a bowl don't forget to make sure that the wheels are spinning fast, if not, you'll need to open the hole where the wheels lock until it's spinning fast.

>>9684897
>bad shape
Get one of these
its better than the official ones, and it has the magic stick.

>>9685149
The waitlist is full because THE SITE IS DEAD. It's had zero activity in ~5 years

>>9684906
>I don't like da games console!
Okay.

>>9680076
That's why I buy one of the cheaper alternatives.

>>9687512
>The site has multiple items in stock
>But this one thing I can't get means the site's dead
Typical manchild entitlement. Grow up.

>>9680232
how come?

>>9680305
its not just the bowl but the two black guides or whatever you want to call them. the powder it grinds of is still white because some plastics turn white if malformed. if you have a well used stick you can see how insanely worn those pieces are but the bowl itself usually isnt that bad because the stick cant drop lower over tome because of how its assembled. the looseness in an old stick also comes from those two black pieces and not the bowl.

>>9680583
>Someone needs to permaban every faggot who shitposts about 3D printing everything.
But what if we use AI to 3D print everything

>>9688279
Good luck actually buying anything from that site, it's abandoned

>>9687480
yikes

i only use original controllers
japan ebay orders are usually decent quality
if you wanna spend the least amount possible hyperkins efforts are serviceable
makes most titles playable but precision 100 coin runs in mario 64? you might want the real thing instead

>>9689793
I don't want to 3d print everything because then I'd end up with a shit of theseus and that'd be bad design. I'd have to recap it and clean with 99.7% alcohol while burning at the lowest speed.

I went to the dark side and just use this