/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9664821
they alre pretty average games, i guess sunshine, lasts more than 2 hours without speedrunning shit compared to the other 2

>>9664821
Sunshine even though it's worse than everything before it. Gc is good for smash, that's it.

Neither, they’re all garbage.

Im partial to the “every room is a puzzle” gameplay of luigis mansion. Its why i like metal gear solid 1&2 but i dont like mgs 3-5 as much

Luigi's Mansion is better than the other two but not by much. They're all pretty average games, especially Wario's game.

>>9664843
Rogue Leader, F-Zero GX and Wind Waker are essential to experience.

>>9664821
Sunshine. Sunshine to me is one of the best 3D platformers of all time, if not the best. I feel like I'm the only one in the world who thinks this nowadays. Every single complaint I've heard parroted for more than a decade now sounds like a ridiculous exaggeration.
>muh chuckster
the one level where you gotta get tossed by two chucksters isn't RNG as people imply. It took me 2 tries.
>muh watermelon level
beat it first try. Didn't even take long. Fun tension. Why the fuck did people get filtered by this?
>muh Pachinko level
I beat it in less than 3 minutes. Seriously.
>muh lilypad level
I'll admit that just getting there is unnecessarily tedious, but it's completely optional anyway. The level itself was fun.
>muh blue coins
who cares? there's really no reason to get them anyway.
the only truly tedious parts of this game are the boat in the lava level near the end, and the manta ray boss, neither of which get any complaints online. I wonder why.

anyway this game is creative, very unique and experimental, and somewhat janky but genuinely fun. There are few parts, if any, that feel like mindless braindead easy platformer for the sake of it, something that other highly acclaimed platformers suffer from but no one who likes this genre seems to mind when the games are too easy.

>>9664839
>they alre pretty average games
Mario Sunshine is literally the best 3D platformer of its generation

>>9664821
Sunshine obviously

>>9664843
>Gc is good for smash, that's it.
Maybe if you have absolute shittaste and think shit like pic related is an epic masterpiece

>>9665004
cookie and cream is better, but you'd have to play more games to figure this out. Sunshine is awful.

>>9665012
>cookie and cream
I pity Snoys

>>9665010
It's no masterpiece but it mogs any zelda

>>9664821
Luigi's Mansion. Finally confirms Luigi's character, establishes new material for him to work with, is a fun unique game on it's own, just too easy and short.

Tier wise it would be: Luigi's Mansion, Wario World, and then Sunshine. Sunshine is such a huge piece of shit. Full of soul, but a horrible, truly awful platformer with terrible controls and stages.

>>9664916
I liked rogue leader and it only cost me $10 but I'd rather own a dc, xbox or ps2 before a gc as their libraries are much stronger, especially dreamcast.

>>9665021
>it mogs the dungeon crawlers by being completely empty, having no dungeons and barely running at 14 frames during its cinematic shit boss fights
I'm so glad a friend broke my PS2. Looks like every Playstation fan turned into some weirdo who 24/7 seethes in his life and enters Nintendo threads to shitpost actually good games:
>>9664839
>>9664843
>>9664846
>>9665012
>>9665021
Though there is a high chance this is all the same person, as we know there is a hardcore samefagger with a Nintendo hateboner

>>9665032
It's usually jannies. They are the only ones who live on a board. Also Cube threads get deleted for no reason

>>9665012
>cookie and cream is better
That literally has nothing to do with Mario-style platforming and doesn't even have a moveset. Are you retarded?
>better than this
What the fuck is wrong with Sony fanboys?

>>9665032
Smash is the only game ps2, xbox and dc have no answers for. Every other genre can be found on those other consoles and they're better. I'm sorry for pointing that out but it doesn't mean I hate Nintendo.

>>9664821
1. Luigi’s Mansion
2. Wario World
3. Sunshine
All are 9-10/10s imo

>>9664821
>resident evil for kids
>a bad 3D mario
>not mario 2D
Sunshine if I had to pick

>>9665058
>Every other genre can be found on those other consoles and they're better.
>God of War and Zelda are the same genre and I like God of War more
>therefore there is no reason to play Zelda...even though it's a completely different game
#SonyBrain

>>9665047
>What the fuck is wrong with Sony fanboys?
fanaticism does that

>>9665032
>zolda
>dungeon crawler

>>9665047
>>9665015
There's more to platforming than pirouettes and playgrounds, mario sunshine doesn't even make good use of its moveset, it reeks of wasted potential and massive levels undermining it to push reliance on the god awful feeling fludd. sunshine is not a good game and this is far from a controversial view. Leave the /v/ lingo on /v/.

>>9665092
>There's more to platforming than pirouettes and playgrounds
True, as seen in the video
>mario sunshine doesn't even make good use of its moveset
Wrong, as seen in the video

>>9664821
Luigi's Mansion 3 for me. Sunshine is frustrating, and Wario World doesn't feel finished.

>>9665093
>There's more to platforming than pirouettes and playgrounds
>Wrong, as seen in the video
Just more platforming and pirouettes, yawn. Mario 64 did all this already, it's trite.

>>9665098
>Just more platforming in this platforming game
>yawn
#SonyBrain

>>9665032
>Though there is a high chance this is all the same person, as we know there is a hardcore samefagger with a Nintendo hateboner

gamecube was a shit console with bad 1st party. nintendo dropped the ball in all aspects

>>9665101
Ah yes, the console warrior shows his face. We know you like this one because it's Nintendo, but beyond dull and never required speed run techniques, the game falls flat in its level design which is the Achilles heel of this one. Nintendo never made good on the promise of mario's moveset in 3D and that's the saddest thing, wasted potential.

>>9665103
>gamecube was a shit console with bad 1st party. nintendo dropped the ball in all aspects
Shame it has four times as many exclusives in the Metacritic top 50 than the PS2

>>9665101
ape escape 2 is better than sunshine, not even close

>>9665109
that barely even has platforming

>>9665105
The level design is good, see >>9665093 and >>9665047
You being bad at it and incapable of doing things like that doesn't make it bad

>>9665109
They aren't in any way comparable. Also 2 sucks. At least say 3

It's funny talking to Sony fanboys as an idort

>>9665115
It's pretty bad once you get past the first stage lil bro

>>9665126
That would literally be a highlight in every other 3D platformer or shit like Rayman or Jak

>>9665128
Not seeing it, it would be a low point in any game because the platforming sucks there, just as much as it sucks here. It's just bad level design continuing to knee cap Mario, Nintendo being both too afraid to require players master the mechanics and forcing shitty gimmicks down every players throat. I thought the point of selectable stars was that hey you don't have to get them all, there's others to collect.

In sunshine most of those are blue coins, which also suck and hurt the game.

>>9665126
Mario always had puzzly parts, even in 2D games. Picrel is worse imo

>>9665135
Noki bay isn't the puzzle part, that's this stinker of a level. Doesn't help every stage has that identical tropical theming, repetition fatigue is a real thing and Mario Susnhine is going to demonstrate that for you.

>>9665134
>Not seeing it, it would be a low point in any game because the platforming sucks there
As it does in most games that aren't Mario. And it doesn't even suck there. Just another case of you are bad at it or can't appreciate fun

>>9665148
Do you have a name you'd like to go by? Between your constant butthurt over PlayStation games and fellatio of anything Nintendo-Mario you really to deserve to go down as one of the boards iconic shitposters.

>>9665152
I'm not the completely mentally deranged person who enters every Nintendo thread to say shit like the GameCube has no games. You are one of the most autistic people I've ever seen on 4chan and don't deserve a name but a bullet to put you out of your misery

>>9665153
>I'm not the completely mentally deranged person
You're just the one keeping it alive for how many years now? Relax dude, it's just video games. Mario Sunshine has been considered a black sheep way before /vr/ was around.

>>9665160
Yeah but your insanity is the issue here (see >>9664839, >>9664843, >>9664846--at least 2/3 posts that shouldn't even exist anymore if janny wasn't a Snoy), not Mario Sunshine being admittedly rushed (still much better than every other 3D platformer of its generation, which is the typical issue of people having selectively higher standards when it comes to Nintendo stuff without realizing)

I'd say Weegee's Manse.
It's the most atmospheric and I love the presentation and gameplay.

>>9665093
>>9665047
This looks impressive until you note two things.
1. It completely breaks what's fun in 3D Mario games, exploring.
2. The kind of people that can get that good at a game are never good people.

>>9665135
SM64 has a lot of stars that are ass and it never got the autistic hate Sunshine gets. Even the shittiest Sunshine levels at least have a nice backdrop. Not to mention Sunshine controls much better

>>9665169
>1. It completely breaks what's fun in 3D Mario games, exploring.
>being able to practice and rush through levels means you can't explore them and chill too
>2. The kind of people that can get that good at a game are never good people.
As opposed to the people who pretend FromSoftware shovelware is better than Mario

Wario World is Treasure's worst game.

>>9665167
Not even the same guy my friend, you've gotta relax, it's just Mario. Sunshine wasn't a great game, it had all the bedazzling flips and pissing in the world but it didn't matter for the final level, for much of the game, the chases, the blue coins, the awkward yoshi sections, it didn't save the tedium inspiring aesthetic choices.

It's still not even as good as Cookie and Cream, which is a master work of the genre everyone should play. As for back seat modding, don't be a fag son.

>>9665179
I'm just saying, I can't imagine spending that much time to get that good at Sunshine. I like Sunshine BTW. Great winter game, nice and warm.

>>9665174
fludd is a very unpopular addition, 64 has its flaws but nothing as egregious as blue coins, and it's a far more refreshing game to play thanks to its variety of level settings. I think the worst thing about 64 is the reuse of music, it's generally a fine game with far better pacing than sunshine.

>>9665182
>being so dishonest you pretend screenshots prove anything and you can't edit shit or just use your phone to samefag
Thanks for proving you are dishonest enough to samefag
>It's still not even as good as Cookie and Cream
That's a slower and more braindead version of Hugo with a co-op mode exclusively made for toddlers

There's gotta be phthalates or somethines in Sony products' plastic

>>9665193
>>being so dishonest
lol, and everyone else is deranged.
>braindead version of Hugo
adopting austerisms is never a good idea for proving your point

>>9665195
>lol, and everyone else is deranged.
No only you and people who pretend GameCube has no games besides Smash Bros. Melee because Metroid Prime is an action adventure and Playstation got God of War which you personally prefer
>adopting austerisms is never a good idea for proving your point
Resorting to a 60% FromSoftware game made for babies to make Mario look bad also isn't a good idea, but you already went there and the internet won't forget

>Sony fan: Mario Sunshine has shit level design and the GameCube sucked!
>Also Sony fan: Now Cookie and Cream, that was a riveting masterpiece!

>>9664821
Luigi

>>9665216
What's with this crop and zoom lol its a split screen game

>>9665209
Neither of those are me, my favorite gamecube game is kururin squash btw I take it yours is mario sunshine?

>>9665226
>What's with this crop and zoom lol its a split screen game
Easier for people to see how braindead it is what one player is doing

Also where is this Sony vs. Nintendo shit come from?
Granted Sony is AIDS now but retro Sony and Nintendo are both keen in my eyes. I had a PS2 and Cube, and I have a modded Wii 60+ GC games and a Mickey Boots PS2 with 80+ games on HDD.
Kinda stupid bashing one or the other. They were the last truly great game consoles.

>>9665107
>Shame it has four times as many exclusives in the Metacritic top 50 than the PS2
Same with the PS1 and N64. Sony systems have a lot of OK games but not that many actual masterpieces worth an adult person's time

holy shit, the cookie and cream guy LMFAO. that is literally an android-tier game. are you repping it out of nostalgia, or more pitifully, because it's by from software? are you one of those king's quest guys? lol
you werent around but back then, from was infamous for shovelware. and that game looks like it should be free and on a phone.

so heres how i would rank OP's games.

3. wario world is not only the worst treasure game but also the worst wario. that pause screen is one of the most cancerous things thought up by man.
2. luigi's mansion is a good game but it doesnt really have replay value.
1. sunshine is awesome. theres some jank here and there, yet it also has some of the best controls, level design, atmosphere, etc. its one of those games where you can spend hours in one level just messing around.

>>9665278
i mean king's field heheheheheheheh

>>9665074
I'm not even a Sony fanboy but you would be nuts to think gc has a better library, controller or DVD capabilities than ps2. Both God of war and wind waker sucked.

>>9665293
As someone who can only enjoy very unique games or games with very good game design, yeah, I prefer the GameCube library. I liked my PS2 more when I was a kid, though. Played GTA 3 and Vice City all day

Sunshine is awesome. I like Mario 64 and I like tropical settings.
Luigi's Mansion filtered me. I played it at a family member's house for like 30 minutes and I couldn't get it.
I've never played Wario World but most people seem to think it's just okay from what I've seen.

>>9665180
That would be Stretch Panic

>>9665390
I legitimately prefer Stretch Panic over Wario World. At least with a new IP, there's no expectations. When you're working on a major IP for a major console developer, you're expected to produce a game that should have enough content to not be 100%'d in one sitting.

>>9665107
>Shame it has four times as many exclusives in the Metacritic top 50 than the PS2
Metacritic Top 50:
5 PS2 Games, 3 not on GC
4 GC Games, 3 not on PS2

https://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all

>>9665404
Wario World is playable

>>9664821
none of the above.

>>9665368
SA1 is better than Sunshine. Outrun 2006 is better than any GC racer, xbox Chaos Theory is better than any stealth game on gc. Halo completely destroys Metroid Prime. The list goes on. Yes ps2 was a mainstream console which I also played a fuck load of vice city and thps3 on. I'd still pick it over gc as it's jap library gives you access to those unique games you're bringing up.

Super Mario Sunshine is one of the best games of all time.

>>9665786
>5 PS2 Games, 3 not on GC
So what's left is MGS2 and the worst versions of GTA. Also even counting RE4 is funny

>>9666274
>The list goes on.
Then please go on. The shit you are typing out is hilarious so far
>Outrun, fucking Splinter Cell, SONIC ADVENTURE
kek

>>9664821
They're all 6.5-7/10 games.

People who hate Sunshine lack imagination and a taste for atmosphere i.e. autists/asspies.

>>9665012
>Pedophile opinion
Ignored

>>9665216
So fucking clunky and slow, typical of From Software.

>>9666548
No I just enjoy good Mario games and that's why I hate Sunshine.

>>9666443
>even counting RE4 is funny
Those twigs make a big difference!
LOL

>>9666548
This, when I play it I just imagine that I'm playing a game that's not shit.

>>9666548
My imagination doesn't jive with unfinished products

>>9665126
Is this supposed to be your example of a bad level?

>>9667010
>unfinished meme
Back to /v/

>>9667103
I'm staying right here, if anything just to spite you.

>>9666416
Such shit taste, holy cow.

>>9666676
>>9666998
>>9667108
>>9667151
Samefag

>>9667154
This is what you tell yourself everytime someone disagrees with you?

>>9667163
It's pretty obvious. SMS always triggers autists because they don't have any feeling for atmosphere. To them SM64 was the pinnacle of video gaming and they feel the obsessive urge to shit on Sunshine as much as possible whenever they get the chance. I pity them and their severe mental handicap.

>>9665169
> It completely breaks what's fun in 3D Mario games, exploring
What's fun in platformers is platforming. This isn't a metroidvania. In any case, you have plenty to explore, you don't have to move like this all the time
>2. The kind of people that can get that good at a game are never good people.
autism doesn't make you inherently evil

>>9665143
Baby needs more traditional bing bing levels.

>>9665169
>1. It completely breaks what's fun in 3D Mario games, exploring.
Apart from Odyssey exploration was never a big thing in the Mario games.

>>9667204
Shame the platforming in sunshine sucks outside of the underground levels

>>9667176
Na, the pinnacle of gaming exists on a SEGA system. Certainly not a mario game at that.

>>9666446
>fucking splinter cell
You've never played it have you?
>please go on
Almost all gc ports are generally the worst version being outdone by dreamcast even, badly.

Gc has nothing to touch marvel vs capcom 2. One of gamecubes best games is just a port of psx resident evil and it's still worse. Double Dash was the worst Mario Kart up until that point. Complete garbage compared to smk and mk64.

>>9667217
hell yeah, it's a baby game after all might as well focus on level design instead of poorly doing a setting

>>9667454
but muh re4 muhfugga we gots mo twigz on cube

>>9666274
>SA1
Segafaggots are delusional

>>9665012
>cookie and cream is better,
That's on the level of Iggy's Reckin Balls. Stop embarrassing yourself

>>9667454
>Splinter Cell
This isn't 2002 Gamefaqs here, anon. You don't have to pretend to like absolute normie garbage

>>9668825
>absolute garbage

I have semi-fond memories of Sunshine but the game literally peaks the first time you explore Delfino plaza. It looks very comfy and has a great vibe to it but everything else in that game is pure soul-sucking tedium.

>>9665169
>It completely breaks what's fun in 3D Mario games, exploring.
how does incredible movement potential break exploring

>>9669075
Island delfino is so out of place with Mario. It's worse than Mario 2 with all it weirdness (I love Mario 2 usa though).

>>9664821
you could just get THPS3 for like ten bucks and have a better time

>tech demo
>disappointing sequel
>mediocre

>>9664821
Luigi's Mansion > Wario World > Super Mario Sunshine

>>9668823
Found someone with no friends.

>>9664821
>Mansion- fun and unique despite being easy, short but pretty memorable
>Sunshine- loved it as a kid but has undeniable flaws, didn't enjoy it so much on replays
>Wario- This game sucks except for the last couple levels.
Also Sunshine and Wario World have 2 of the worst final bosses I've ever experienced.
Luigi wins easily.

>>9666274

I enjoyed the Dreamcast original Tokyo Bus Guide

>>9667176
>SMS

>>9667305
>SEGA system
Fuck off

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The absolute state of samefagging Sunshine haters. Autism is a thing to behold. It's pretty obvious which poste are by the same person. Social tact isn't their strongest point.

First playthrough:
Luigi’s Mansion: 7/10
Mario Sunshine: 8.5/10
Wario World: 5/10

Replayability:
Luigi: 9/10
Mario: 6/10
Wario: 1/10

>>9667204
>autism doesn't make you inherently evil
Not inherently, in fact, auties are completely harmless (and often kinda sweet) people. They simply do not care about trifles like atmosphere, music, art design, originality, aesthetic qualities etc. When they see a game they see a set of virtual mechanisms that are either satisfactory or dissatisfactory to them. There is nothing wrong with that. It becomes a problem when they spam their opinion endlessly on the internet, as autists literally lack the capacity of understanding why someone else would like a thing they themselves dislike. This can make them very angry, hence the abundance of samefagging in threads about more games that lean heavily on their aesthetic atmosphere like Sunshine, SotC, Ico, Earthbound, Twilight Princess and such. Same goes for their obsession with original hardware and so-called 'purity'. But, it cannot be helped and they have many superior qualities non-autists lack. It's just annoying for internet discussion is all.

>>9671043
>they have many superior qualities non-autists lack
That's only the case with actual autists who are autistic savants. The "autists" here are just mentally/emotional undeveloped children with no redeeming qualities.

>>9664846
Why are Snoys allowed to derail threads with flame and shitposts?

>>9670667
i thought i was the only one who played this. tokyo bus guide chads.. it's so not over

>>9666274
>Halo completely destroys Metroid Prime
there goes your credibility

>>9664821
Wario World was a terrible Warioborne
Super Mario Sunshine was a terrible collect-a-thon
Luigi's Mansion is a unique, replayable experience

Luigi wins.

>>9664821
I wish sunshine had a bigger lobby area with more dynamic events. Its so neat, but it's also boring. The castle from n64 was more puzzly, and I like the straight forwardness of sunshine. I think I just wish it had some GTA style things happen. Give me a reason to mess around in there more, extra lives or to unlock different skins for mario. Otherwise, sunshine is pretty dang good mario game. Except for introducing bowser jr. and ruining the koopa kids for western audiences.

>>9664821
Wario World, I find it really charming and fun. Play the Japanese version if you want a better final boss. Luigi's Mansion is also cool, but I haven't played it much.

Why would anyone waste their time with GC games? Pretty much any console before this turds release has better games.