/vr/ - Retro Games

We will find out next Sat.

Yes. Everything will be dragged through the mud eventually. Not anytime soon for this game though.

>>9629731
What's happening on saturday? was playing it today on the telly

It has great music and an interesting plot for the time. Probably one of my favorite intro FMVs ever in the age of flashy intro FMVs. It's a clearly unfinished game though and the battles feel too slow for a jarpig and the dungeon design is ass for the most part. By the time the infamous disk 2 comes you'll probably be more thankful you just get a bunch of plot dumped on you without the gameplay to go with it than not.

I doubt Xenogears will ever be touched again just because of the whole split with the director thing and him forming Monolith Soft to continue the series.

>>9629781
25th anniversary of its original release

>>9629668
It's amazing ideas that are blatantly unfiniished but there's a real earnestness to it.

It's an amalgamation of then popular animes

>>9630858
you're forgetting dune,2001 a space odyssey, childhoods end and ꜱoylent green.

>>9629668
Only if Nintendo and Square come to an agreement

>>9629812
Just finished the game last weak. What I was liking the most about Xenogears thus far was the character interactions and the dynamicness of how the plot played out, so despite the crappy dungeon design and merely serviceable gameplay, disc 2 is pretty much the exact opposite of what I want from the game. The plot is just too over-ambitious and not in a positive way, and feels weighed down by plenty of pseudo-philosophical nonsense that does not personally appeal me nor has much effect into the actual characters. All this forced exposition and dry English doesn't help either.

I was also surprised to see the romance being so praised. Maybe it's because I hate the childhood friend/reincarnation trope, since most writers merely use it as a cheap way justify bonds instead of developing them organically throughout the story, but I found it rather lacking other than two scenes or so (one of them being the mini-arc at Elly's house, at that). The kiss getting censored during that anime cutscene was pretty lame, too.

But hey, at least they showed the huge robot transformation sequence in disc 2, so Takahashi and co. certainly got their priorities in the right place regardless.

>>9629668
Wonderful presentation, compelling story
bad pacing, amazingly cool battle system but with a disappointing lack of depth and challenge

it would have made a fantastic series, but that time has passed. a remake would be a soulless travesty

>>9629668
Terrible and overrated game. Cringe "evangelized" rpg with lack of depth and comically bad plot and interactions.

>>9631491
Chu-Chu died for our sins.

>>9630858
>>9630946
Basically it's just all the stuff the creator likes, which is why I said here >>9630149 that there's an earnestness to it. It's just a dude and his wife (who wrote it) geeking out and nothing about it feels cynical.

>>9629668
Kinda, at least for a long while. Then it's evident they completely ran out of budget. Instead of remastering it they should finish it properly, but it's unlikely either way because Squenix owns the IP.
It's a frustrating game, because it could have been one of the best jRPGs of all time if they'd done it properly until the end.

Fucking worst random encounter pace in a jarpig of the era.
>>9631491
Stop LARPing as a christian, nobody buys it.

>>9631491
I see Chu have pain in your soul and this is why Chu lash out. I hope Chu find peace, my brother in Kyow.

>>9631491
That scene is cool, fuck you.

reminder that Maria doesn't even pilot her mech, which has headbutt attacks

>>9632146
It's a refence to Giant Robo, so yeah.

I legitimately found the sci-fi twists and turns about Deus to be quite fun and fascinating, tying together a bunch of hanging points that I really didn't think were going to be explained in a way that was more satisfying than I expected. I'm not sure how I felt about Elly Christ, but to its credit it had actual Christian themes throughout, not just a bucket-load of Christian imagery for no reason. The Juxtaposition of basic human needs and connections and the absurdly high concept shit going on around them was classic; the sweet and simple romance being part of that (I wouldn't call it anything more than a sweet and simple romance, though).

Overall I'd call it (a) good sci-fi and (b) a trip. Far from perfect and could have benefitted from some paring down, but well worth experience.

>>9631491
I don't care if it offends your beliefs.

>>9631502
HALLOWED BE HER NAME

Xenogears is SERIOUS BUSINESS

If it ain't broke don't fix it

>>9632746
Which Brave series is it trying to ape here? I wanted to say GGG but that aired too close to XG's release

>>9632887
Power Rangers!

>>9632830
That's definitely not the case for Xenogears!

>>9629668
>Is it all it's cracked up to be?
Better
>Will it be remastered?
No, but it looks great in 4K (no shader). Like a beautiful diorama, with tons of details that got smushed by the original resolution.

>>9630858
Yep, and a lot more (Star Wars, etc). Xenogears was the swan song of pop sci-fi. People might have things they like that have come out since, but 1960-2000 was its own thing and Xenogears epitomizes it.

>>9630149
Is it true the amount of story in disc 2 is 4x the amount that's covered in disc 1, like another anon said? Because of that's true, remaking the unfinished parts 'correctly' would make the game unplayable. 150 fucking hours of - that??

>>9635356
It's not 4x the story it's just covered at 4x the pace because they ran out of budget to put in the dungeons and most of the cutscenes. The Disc 1 is 40 hours and Disc 2 covers the same amount of ground in under 10.

>>9635356
>Is it true the amount of story in disc 2 is 4x the amount that's covered in disc 1
No, about 20% of the scenarios are on disc 2. The second disc complaining comes exclusively from people who either never completed it or finished the game once 25 years ago.

I've played XG five times and I can tell you that not only is the second disc fine, it has quite a lot of the game's best content (cool dungeons, fairly deep multiplayer fighting game). Some of the scenarios would have been amazing if they were fully fleshed out, but it doesn't hurt the game overall.

>>9635365
>Disc 1 is 40 hours
Maybe if you're speedrunning it. Disc 1 alone easily has more content than most JRPGs.
>Disc 2 covers the same amount of ground
Not by a long shot.

While the second disc was the result of time and budget running out, the narration did add a more "epic" atmosphere to the whole global happenings. There was also stuff to do (boss fights and dungeons) in-between so it wasn't just a narrative.

The alternative was stopping after Solaris, which would have been a far worse way to end it.

>>9635391
Even howlongtobeat puts Xenogears at 56 hours and that website always highballs. It really isn't a game that requires grinding or anything. Most of it's just dialogue.

As for ground, part 2 easily covers half of the major plot points and intrigue. It's just a lot of it isn't even dialog, it's just descriptions of what was supposed to happen.

I like part 2, it has most of the best parts of the plot, but these are just facts here.

>>9635365
Gotcha
>>9635386
>The second disc complaining comes exclusively from people who either never completed it or finished the game once 25 years ago.
It sounds fine

>>9635386
>it has quite a lot of the game's best content (cool dungeons, fairly deep multiplayer fighting game)
Fantastic shitpost.

>>9632887
Voltron

>>9635407
It has a ton of obnoxious platforming dungeons and some schizo rate of random battles. If you haven't played it, refrain from using website references to discuss it. Makes you sound like a dumb idiot.

>>9629668
I hope it gets remastered it'd be ripe for it, and honestly long overdue. It's well worth at least playing the first disc and if you can't stomach the second disc don't beat yourself up over it.

>>9635391
>Maybe if you're speedrunning it. Disc 1 alone easily has more content than most JRPGs.

It doesn't have any sidequest besides that Rock/paper/scissor minigame
I remember doing it in about 40hours yeah

>>9636163
>if you don't agree with me you haven't played it!
Maybe just become better at games?

>>9636743
It's not a disagreement, it's you parroting stats from a website. If you had played it, you wouldn't even need to. Also please deny that the game has some horrid, samey, tedious dungeons a new player might get stuck in, motherfucker. Go the fuck ahead.

>>9636163
I'm at a little over 30 hours at the point where you shut the gates down before going to Solaris. So that seems like about ~40 hours for disc 1 which is the average length for JRPGs on this system in my experience.

>>9637338
Forgot to add, it would be a lot more if I wanted to grind the arena for strong items. But I took a look at that and thought fuck it, I'd have to get good at the arena battles and then it's still 5 hours of grinding minimum even if I don't lose any matches. It's not like grinding the fishing in BoF4 where it's only a matter of time.
I'm kind of tempted to do it, the items are sweet as fuck and the arena is actually one of the cooler parts of the game but I'm just too impatient.

>>9636246
Xenogears is in publishing hell because it was published by Square EA, a brief joint-venture with Squaresoft and EA running from 1998 to 2003.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/games/company/73922-square-ea

Tetsuya Takahashi is too busy with Xenoblade series now to return to Xenogears and give it the remaster treatment it deserves. Even if EA acquiesces, Square would probably be a bitch about it somehow.

They're probably just going to announce the Xenogears Bring Arts on Saturday. The mecha designer was teasing it on his twitter.

>>>/toy/10127639

>>9636151
No, GoLion's transformation looks nothing like that. It looks more like something from Fighbird or Might Gaine's Battle Bomber. Especially the focus on the hand twisting itself into place, that's a hallmark of the Brave series.

>>9637462
How about the real Voltron?

>>9637838
Dairugger is closer but still not right. The wierd thing is what it's probably closest to is Genesic GGG, a transformation that wouldn't exist for years still when Xenogears was made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOjrBYgRBxo

>>9632746
>>9632887
I always assumed it was Gao Gai Gar because the people who pilot those mechs are called the "G Elements" which reminded me of G Stones, but admittedly I'm not very knowledgeable about the Brave series

>>9638602
Zeo Megazord looks pretty close. G elements probably just means Gear elements.

>>9638602
The reason I'm skeptical about that is because GGG episode 1 came out only 13 months before Xenogear's initial Japanese release, and that seems a little too close, even if admittedly GGG finished airing 2 weeks before XG came out

>>9638678
That would be the Ohranger Robo from Ohranger

>>9638747
Exkaiser is a brave with a lion chest before ggg.

It could be the Liverobo from Liveman which has the same animal combination in the exact same places minus a 4th. Dolphin splits into 2 for legs, lion makes the chest lion, bird makes the head. Plus it actually is piloted by a team. It's probably a combination of multiple influences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POxNaEVjLtc

>>9629668
I got up to the sky world and my PS3 died and I lost all my progress.
How close was I to the end?

>>9629668
Will there be N64 port?

>>9639895
>Exkaiser is a brave with a lion chest before ggg.
Yeah but neither Brave nor King Exkaiser has a transformation sequence like the G-Elements.
That being said, yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it was based on Liveman.