/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9618432
>aged so well
>game looks like shit
>n64 blur
what

>>9618432
Basically the gameplay is gold

But Crash and Spyro have aged just as well in my opinion

>>9618432
Why do you keep making all these N64 shill threads? Stop being so obsessed.

>>9618524
>Why are you discussing retro games on the retro games board?

rayman 2 on dreamcast is the only 3d platformer that aged well

>>9618456
I'm playing it rn on original hardware. It doesn't look like this. You never actually played it, right?

>>9618456
based and obsessedpilled

Dunkey
>Yes, yes, e-celeb, but it'll be brief
brought up that the game doesn't require you to make pin-point jumps, and there's normally a lot of space where you do have to go. Makes the lack of precision much less frustrating. I love Crash and Spyro, but sometimes the platforming in both of them is shit

>>9618548
>It doesn't look like this.
I know it looks worse

>>9618456

Doesnt matter what it looks like but how it plays

It's one of those games where just moving around feels really good, and that basically makes up for any other short comings. If you're playing the game at all, you're already having fun, because it feels fun to run around in a circle.
All games really ought to be made with this mentality.

>>9618432
Aged like milk

>>9618560
well...

>>9618432
>it's mario 64 spammer again

Mario 64 is a real 3D platformer.

There is major difference between being a real 3D platformer and a collectathon. They aren't the same genre. 3D platformers emphasize movement and platforming. Collectathons are adventure games that have jumping.

>>9618569
The scuttering around, and the long jumping, do feel really good in SM64.
Personally I don't really enjoy anything else the controls offer, but luckily it's only Mario games that use that moveset in the 3D platformer genre.

>>9618432
The different moves and what you can do with them if you're skilled enough are what make this game so enjoyable.

>>9618569
I want to iterate on this. This really should be the first thing they teach people in game design, and yet for some reason it isn't.
If you're making a game where the basic action is clicking on things, make clicking on things feel good. If you're making a shooter, make sure it always feels good to shoot something. It weird how this basic idea is lost on a lot of developers.

>>9618615
> Mario 64 is a real 3D platformer
>There is major difference between being a real 3D platformer and a collectathon.
>you have to collect stars
so its a collectathon?

>>9618432
It hasn't really. Not worth playing today.

>>9618532
You are not discussing, you are spamming mario 64 shill thread over and over again.

>>9618656
Yes it has you contrarian fag

>>9618432
Why are you so autistic, OP?

>>9618432
There is absolutely no point in revisiting Super Mario 64 in 2023 because later games are much better.

>>9618432
>aged so well
Nah, it's not

>>9618718
Not OP, but you are insane if you actually think that.

Because you don't challenge yourself and don't keep up with modern game design that scales to your age.

>>9618432
It was kinda ok in 1996 but It's not particularly enjoyable by today's standards.

>>9618760
not him but rayman 2 mogs the shit out of mario 64

>>9618432
Because the controls are amazing for its time and the gameplay is still better than 99% of 3D platformers. It's basically a genre that doesn't have good games besides Mario

>>9618663
Are you the same Sega fag getting mad about Zelda threads while there are 10 Sonic threads at any given time? I do respect your efforts to single-handedly ruin this board, ngl

>>9618836
If this was true N64 gamers wouldn't ignore the shit out of it

>>9618953
because they know the dreamcast version is better and that makes them seeth

>>9618456
Not every N64 game is blurry especially first party ones

Marios is the most overpowered and broken 3D platforming protagonist and the game doesn't even try to make you die by falling into pits outside of the final areas. Most 3D platformers of the time fall into the trap of thinking that because it's a game you should make the player lose sometimes, and they've all aged like shit because of it.

>>9618965
No it's because the game is shit. It's also on PC so I guess Dreamcast fags are seething too

>>9618975
It's literally the only 3D jumper where you can die because it encourages you to go fast and faster than your skill allows, something you can't even do in others lol

>>9618432
>can pick up and still enjoy just as much in 2023 as I did back then.
because you're a brainwashed Ndroid that can't be helped.

Seriously when are you fuckers getting your own board so we can all take a rest from your constant cultish circlejerking?

>>9618976
>No it's because the game is shit.
its not, have you played it? its way better than any 3d platformers
>It's also on PC so I guess Dreamcast fags are seething too
dc > pc source: the actual creator of rayman and my ass

>>9618983
>implying he wouldn't enter that board to shitpost 24/7 just like how he enters these completely innocuous Nintendo threads here on /vr/ because Nintendo lives rent free in his head
Funny

>>9618992
>its not, have you played it?
Yeah it's a terrible repeatathon that does literally nothing well
>>9618992
>the actual creator of rayman and my ass
Well that's two sources I wouldn't put much stock in

Also Mario 64 happened when 3D was actually new and a game as open and well playable as Mario 64 revolutionary while that Rayman turd came out literally right befefore Gamecube/PS2/Xbox lol

>>9618524
Comming from the retard that keeps complaining in threads he/she/they/furry has no interest in.

Just fuck off if a thread isnt to your liking.

>>9619004
>Yeah it's a terrible repeatathon that does literally nothing well
rayman 2 is more diverse than mario 64.
lmao you didn't play it
>Well that's two sources I wouldn't put much stock in
so you don't care what people and the actual creator says? ok sounds like tendie cope
>Also Mario 64 happened when 3D was actually new and a game as open and well playable as Mario 64 revolutionary while that Rayman turd came out literally right befefore Gamecube/PS2/Xbox lol
tomb raider was better and rayman 2 is still better than both

>>9618432
el juego era una mierda cuando salio solamente te acostumbraste, cómplice.

Not that I'm excepting any logic, sanity or objectivity from tendies but I fucking hate the argument Mario64 is good because it has a bunch of moves, as if quantity automatically means quality. In fact titles like Crash feel more japanese and minimalistic because of the fact that it has only 2 moves and the whole game rests on the quality of level design, whereas M64 is just a bloated aimless mess.

>>9619018
also 3d wasn't new in 1996 you dumb fuck, go play other games tendie

>>9619018
Yeah I disagree, rayman was alright but nothing too special. Plenty of platformers (both psx and n64) that were more fun.

>>9619027
>was alright but nothing too special.
go play it on dreamcast and stop saying shit
>Plenty of platformers (both psx and n64) that were more fun.
like what? memekazooie?

>>9619018
>rayman 2 is more diverse than mario 64.
Throwing a lot of gimmicky random shit at a 3D platformer without any identity is literally why most of them suck. It's games that know their fundamentals suck so they try to distract with a lot of side shit
>tomb raider was better and rayman 2 is still better than both
Oh it's this retard thinking a tank controls third person shooter is comparable with Mario

It's "aged well" because the movement controls and camera were adopted by the rest of the industry and it has an appealing art style that makes up for the primitive graphics. Compare this to something like the PS1 Resident Evils, which have tank controls and fixed camera angles (no longer used in mainstream action/adventure games) and a more realistic art style that brings out the graphical limitations. It's not that one game is better than the other, but that Mario 64's design philosophy is more in line with newer mainstream games, and thus it feels like it has "aged well."

>>9619032
>go play it on dreamcast
why is this meme so prevalent on this board? Are the versions really that much different or is it because of the fact that dreamcast as a console has so little going for it that they need to invent arbitrary shit narratives like this one?

>>9619032
>like what? memekazooie?
Honestly dozens if 2D counts. Mario, Bajo, Crash and Spyro are just the obivous ones

>>9619041
>It's "aged well" because the movement controls and camera were adopted by the rest of the industry and it has an appealing art style that makes up for the primitive graphics.
Literally nothing in this sentence is true.

>>9619042
>why is this meme so prevalent on this board?
Because it's infested with one or two extremely retarded and extremely vocal Sega fags
>Are the versions really that much different
No they absolutely aren't. It's not some SNES/Sega Aladdin thing

>>9618432
SM64 didn't age well imo. Lots of better platformers have appeared since then.

>>9619060
>Lots of better platformers have appeared since then.
I wish that was true but it isn't. The only better 3D platformer since then are other 3D Mario games, arguably. It's literally the only series that understands 3D platforming

>>9619038
>Throwing a lot of gimmicky random shit at a 3D platformer without any identity is literally why most of them suck. It's games that know their fundamentals suck so they try to distract with a lot of side shit
what are you talking about, the game gives you other cool things to do not to distract you but to make the game more diverse and fun, unlike mario 64
>Oh it's this retard thinking a tank controls third person shooter is comparable with Mario
I'll even say its better, maybe if you weren't brain dead you could play tomb raider but since every nintendo game is piss easy I guess you just get mad when something is a little bit harder

>>9619042
>muh meme
no its because its how it is, stop coping

>>9619045
>Mario, Bajo, Crash
those are shit, rayman 2 is still better

>>9619070
>the game gives you other cool things to do not to distract you but to make the game more diverse and fun
Because its fundamentals and the PLATFORMING doesn't do that and the game is aware of it
>Tomb Raider
>hard

>>9618432
I think sometimes a good game is just a good game. Simple, fun, pure. There's not much to say, it's just fun. You can't really dissect it down very deeply.

>>9619074
If it was that good then being slightly worse than the Dreamcast version wouldn't make it a shit game and N64 players would actually care about it but they don't because they have better games

>>9619042
>they need to invent arbitrary shit narratives like this one?
>n64
>shitty musics
>blurr
>vasiline
>bad res
>fps drops
>cut out content

>dreamcast
>crisp visual
>good music
>solid 60fps
>vga
>amazing visuals
cope some more

>>9619076
>Because its fundamentals and the PLATFORMING doesn't do that and the game is aware of it
you do know that rayman 2 is a platformer right? and it has more content than mario 64 right? and is overall better than mario 64 right?
>Tomb Raider
>hard
harder than mario 64

>>9619080
>n64 gamers
idc what they say, they play a shitty console I'm not gonna listen to what they say

>>9619094
>you do know that rayman 2 is a platformer right? and it has more content than mario 64 right? and is overall better than mario 64 right?
Frankly I'm not sure about any of these things. Also you sound like a 12 year old or mentally stunted person like 99% of people who shitpost Nintendo every day. Literally a 30 year old retarded dude seething about a video game company because someone with an N64 bullied him in school

>>9619103
nice cope, now go play rayman 2 on a dreamcast and stop playing the same shitty games

>>9619107
I already played your Ubisoft shit and it was bad

>>9618558
LOL. No. It's fake.

>>9619113
let me guess, you played the inferior n64 port?

>>9619116
cope some more buddy

>>9619118
Probably PS1 which is also what the game was developed for first. If the game was half as good as you want us to believe it wouldn't matter which version. It's always ever Sega shills that insist you must play it on their shit consoles though

>Rayman 2/Tomb Raider/Sega fag at it again
Rayman 2 is a mediocre puzzle platformer with (literally) floaty jumps, awful momentum and pacing and no rhythm to make up for the downtime in 3D games, something really only Mario does well with the pogo jumps and various ways to speed that are always fun ligning up with the level design, which is why it's the only important 3D platformer left today

Rayman 2 has some of the worst game design I've ever seen that wouldn't even fly in a licensed game meanwhile. Picrel
>grab this barrel and slowly carry it to the thing
>now repeat the same thing multiple times with ANY variation to it
>now watch this fucking story cutscene and braindead dialogue for 2 minutes (longer than the preceding gameplay segment) in a supposed platforming game

>>9619142
Not even Conker is ever this shit and Conker INTENTIONALLY tries to have annoying shit gameplay

>>9619142
Can't even watch this boring crap for longer than 20 seconds, imagine "playing" it

>>9619142
>>now watch this fucking story cutscene and braindead dialogue for 2 minutes (longer than the preceding gameplay segment) in a supposed platforming game

rayman 1 was good though

>>9619153
It's quintessential Ubishit and I'm tired of seeing the same sperg go on and on about it here

>>9619048
Name 5 AAA action-adventure games from the last decade with fixed camera and tank controls.

>>9619142
>>9619147
>>9619153
>he doesn't think it's time for Mario to move over

>>9619041
My friend and I recently played RE1 for the first time on my old PS1. Both of us thought it was quite impressive in terms of presentation and gameplay. We were even playing the Directors (DS) edition, which is apparently the worst.
Don't know why people point to RE1 as this common example of an outdated game.

>>9619018
You are just trolling. The Tomb Raider series was dog shit even back when it was new. The only reason anyone bought it was to jerk off to Lara Croft.

>>9618969
They are all blurry, some just have two layers of Vaseline rather than just one.

>>9618432
SM64 has aged like milk. Outdated gameplay, blurry visuals, laggy framerate. SMB3 and SMW are much better.

>>9618432
Because the N64 controller had a stick and it's a good game.

/thread?

>>9619289
He does this shit on multiple boards, if it's just an act he sure is committed

>>9619630
Why would anyone pretend tomb raider is shit? That's an insult to gaming as a whole. Mario fans are unhinged.

>>9618432
It's like some crude semi-game that could only be seen as a tech demo in this day and age. The only people that like it are god damn tendies.

>>9618638
it is, but here's the thing. that's not a bad thing, well it can be obviously but idk why he's bitching about them like they all are. any good collectathon uses the collecting shit not as its own end, but as a means to doing cool shit with the gameplay, and mario 64 is great at that.

>>9619131
>Probably PS1 which is also what the game was developed for first. If the game was half as good as you want us to believe it wouldn't matter which version. It's always ever Sega shills that insist you must play it on their shit consoles though
the ps1 version is actually shittiest, and no mater how mad you get, the dreamcast version will always be the definitive version

>>9619650
>definitive version of a shitgame
>>9619142
>>9619147
>>9619153
>>9619161
imagine defending this

>>9619142
>Rayman 2 is a mediocre puzzle platformer
stoped reading after that also tldr git gud at tomb raider

>>9619646
>is pedo
>hates Nintendo
Why is this so common?

>>9619142
>>9619147
>ps1 version
so mad

why is it so difficult for n64 threads not to start with a presumptuous statement? You never even talk about the game.

>>9619150
its the first level you brain dead retard, its basically just a tutorial level

>>9619153
>MUH THIS GAME HAS A STORY
so mad lmao

>>9619670
>the it gets good in 20 hours meme
Personally not a fan of that. Especially a platformer has be good right away

>>9619289
its better than mario 64, thats for sure
>The Tomb Raider series was dog shit even back when it was new
thx for letting me know ur a zoomer

>>9619653
>imagine defending this
imagine not playing it and saying shit you don't even know

>>9619634
Why anyone would make 1000 posts and counting insisting the most derivatve Western shit with outdated tank controls is on the level of top 1% Japanese games regarded as timeless classics by everyone in the industry is the better question
>>9619646
Everyone with a modicum of authority and influence in this sector likes SM64, including all the reviews who gave other Nintendo games low scores and all the developers who made your favorite games. Stop being a delusional retard

>>9619674
the first levels are what, 10min with amazing music and visuals?

>>9619676
>its better than mario 64, thats for sure
You are the only person who believes this

>>9619674
>Especially a platformer has be good right away
it is but since ur brain is on mario 64 pills, its obvious you can't enjoy anything else that isn't bing bing wahoo

>>9619687
>You are the only person who believes this
nice cope

>>9619669
Mario 64 aged so well that even zoomies today can easily into it. There is nothing presumptuous about that statement and you're just being a schizo

>>9618474
>But Crash and Spyro have aged just as well in my opinion
Maybe but they never were on the same level. Crash was already quite unpolished back then and Spyro really more of a collectathon than a pure jump and run.

>>9619693
>>9619683
unhinged replies

>>9619669
yeah not wrong desu. though i feel like playing the game would accurately surmise it better than any words. well, i'll give ya a descriptor, if any replying /v/fags are inclined to consolewar i'll pummel em irl.

they give ya a lot of options with the movement which is fun to traverse the relatively simple but often well designed levels. and you're not forced into a certain order bar the star doors, the caps, and some lone stars unlocked by getting to a certain mission, so you can choose from your leisure each time ya play. boss fights are simple but a strong step up from most of the 2d mario games at least.

>>9619142
>>9619147
It's literally Yoshi's Island in 3D except ugly art style

>>9619713
>desu.

>>9619717
is that supposed to be a problem or summit? yoshi's island is fun as fuck
>>9619718
i typed desu directly, not t.b.h.

>>9619721
>yoshi's island is fun as fuck
It's a key hunting game where you just hover over pits

>>9619717
>except ugly art style
its the worst version of the game, but since tendies are such butthurts he posted it anyways instead of posting the dreamcast version
https://youtu.be/c1C5XI7L_Fc

>>9619725
well if you oversimplify it like that, yeah ig you're right in your own head. it's like saying mario 64 is just a jumping tech demo

>>9619726
also the music is better than anything on mario 64
https://youtu.be/z6c-K2nXYVk

>>9619342
The ps2 has worse image quality

>>9618969
>t. never played on real hardware

>>9619745
the n64 is worse actually

>>9619745
>retarded fuck doesn't know about component cables
lmao post your tv kid

>>9619745
The PS2 is bad, but N64 is on a different level. Also, some PS2 games actually look good, whilst all N64 games are Vaseline.

>>9619726
It looks like ass and most of the game is dark corridors
>>9619728
There are long drawn out segments that don't even have music and the music is mostly completely unfutting "subtle slow burn" shit that puts you to sleep, completely missing the mark of a high BPM jump'n'run game... Then again, Rayman is slow as shit when not riding the shell so I guess it fits

Was it a platformer?

>>9619787
It was garbage

>>9619726
Why are you so hellbent on comparing a 2000 Dreamcast game with Mario 64? Dreamcast isn't even the same generation as the 64 and Mario was one of the earliest fully 3D games

>>9619775
>It looks like ass and most of the game is dark corridors
its the first level, not even a tutorial level, and it looks better than mario 64
>There are long drawn out segments that don't even have music and the music is mostly completely unfutting "subtle slow burn" shit that puts you to sleep, completely missing the mark of a high BPM jump'n'run game... Then again, Rayman is slow as shit when not riding the shell so I guess it fits
this is proves you never played it kek

>>9619815
because its better and aged better than mario 64

>>9619792
>filtered by sa

>>9619818
>6 gen game aged better than 5 gen game, wtf hold the presses

>>9619816
>its the first level, not even a tutorial level, and it looks better than mario 64
What are you even talking about? I'm talking about the entire game
>this is proves you never played it kek
I think you never played the game and you just use it to shitpost Mario

>>9619824
It didn't even age better

>>9619826
>What are you even talking about? I'm talking about the entire game
the entire game is not le dark corridors you dumy
>I think you never played the game and you just use it to shitpost Mario
the problem is that you played a shitty version and now ur saying shit that I doesn't make sense