/vr/ - Retro Games

I've never played a VN, where should I start? Preferably one that isn't a million hours long and you can play on the go.

>>9616848
What do you like? Romance, comedy, horror, detective shit? Porn or no Porn?

>>9616848
it depends on what you like but I'd go for something lighter at first. Something more casual and light hearted. Like Pia Carrot for example

>>9616848
YUNO should be a prerequisite playthrough to even be allowed to post on 4chan. Start out there

>>9616875
I like (adult) romance and comedy. Not interested in the other genres. Anything good on the PS1?

I started playing Wonder Project yesterday but I guess it's not really a VN. I do want to finish it first before moving on to other stuff. The translation is so bad but I'm really interested in the plot.

>>9616885
>>9616893
I'll check those out, thank.

>>9616903
Try out Air if you're interested in adult romance. PS1 is lacking in VN titles, most companies put them on Saturn. Policenauts/Snatcher got ported to PS1 if you're into kojima shit

Has anyone here played Yoake Mae yori Ruriiro na? How would you rate it?
I just got the English patch and I'm looking forward to try it because I kept seeing images about it all over the Internet back in the day

>>9616806
There's a part of me that's filled with rage when I see her, remembering the anime adaptation.

>>9616924
>PS1 is lacking in VN titles
According to vndb the PS1 had nearly 300 visual novels. What the fuck are you talking about. That's like 1/9 of the library.

>>9617390
>I just got the English patch
Play it in Japanese

>>9617680
it's been decades anon let it go lol

>>9616806
>>9617680
>>9617785
What vinnie?

>>9617853
https://vndb.org/v28

>>9618003
My penis thanks you.

True Love 95 was my first visual novel and I've never really found one that did it so right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HARM0r64z0Y&list=PLVk2jyfMlEP16Q6Zf_ezQNPzH5nWNVxkZ

>>9616848
Start with the best

>>9617753
I prefer to understand what I'm reading

>>9618170
that's a well-mannered penis

>>9618246
>>9618239
>>9616806
Good taste

>>9617785
I can't, it pisses me off so much
>Oh I love you Rin but I'm dying because I have to use magic but I don't want to use magic because then I'm not normal and it'll make my mom sad but also I'm going to ignore that dying would make her even sadder now now please nakadashi me! I need to stretch out this drama that only exists because of my own retardation as long as humanly possible!
IT NEVER GOES AWAY, ALL THESE YEARS I STILL REMEMBER

>>9617680
The only good thing about the anime was the batshit crazy orange, everything else was hot garbage.

>>9619102
Kaede pissed off a LOT of people who played the VN because the anime completely made up her yandere aspects. That was never in the VN, she was just the sweet sister character, so turning her into a secret psycho bitch made so many people who liked her original personality angry. It's why the anime is considered one of the worst adaptations ever.

What are the best 2000-2007 VNs?
There's a much greater amount of translated VNs from that period

>>9619119
If you like mechs and still have access to your inner chuuni, there's no reason not to read Demonbane.

>>9619102
I liked it because it shows the losing heroines in excruciating pain

>>9619119
ToHeart 2 is pretty good imo if you're into slice of life. I got the X-rated uncensored version from a torrent. another good one is Shuffle! as in OP. If you're into VN and fire emblem autism at the same time, Castle Fantasia 2 is cool

>>9619201
top fucking kek that image

any translation projects going on for this?

>>9619520
one of my favorite soundtracks right there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLDQaGx4NXE

>>9619616
Just learn Japanese. Even if there was a translation project going, by the time they finish you could already be fluent in Japanese and have played any and all Japanese-exclusive games that you want.

>>9619201
Why would she be sad, the gods are a polygamous society

I really wanna try Doukyuusei but the remake looks so souless

soul

souless

>>9620439
>>9620446
>>9620447
The remake is a 100% improvement unless you literally only want the pixelated look.

>>9620714
>more pixels
>less details
can't make this up chief

>>9620729
How is this example >>9620439 less detailed? Are you just pretending to be retarded? Or are you genuinely mentally ill?

>>9620737
Never argue with nostalgiafags, even if remake was 1:1 the exact same thing they'd find something else to nitpick at muh soul or something.

>>9620447
>>9620439
Looks kinda like AI art but with less fucked up hands

Im playing eve burst error and im only a few hours in. Not bad so far but the humor is making me cringe at times

>>9620818
all i remember about this game is in this scene where that fat guy and the protagonist keep laughing really awkwardly together at the same time lol

>>9616806
What are some VNs that are "easy" for someone learning moonrunes?

>>9620924
you could look at lists like https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KnyyDt7jimEz-dgeMSKymRaT2r3QKBPm9AzqZ6oUWAs/pub
but if you want REAL advice, just do the same thing as me as a beginner: read porn doujinshi all day

>>9621524
Thanks Anon!

>>9620256
because she realizes that MC won't go the polygamy route and will not choose her

>>9616848
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (and then Umineko)

>>9619117
the guy who decided that she would turn psycho deserves a million bucks

I'm fucking hyped for the Nursery Rhyme patch. it's on its final stages and should drop soon

>>9620714
Of course I want the pixelated look. That's a huge part of the appeal.

>>9620714
The script is a downgrade, they made a lot of dumb changes (not so much with this remake but with the 1999 remake this one is based on) but it's the only one in English

>>9616848
Planetarian - reverie of a little planet if you are suffering from excessive happiness

>>9616806
Fuck yeeessss. Another retro VN thread.

Can Someone recommend me some visual novels that were released on Mac OS? (We are talking PowerPC era)
If any exist of course. I would be glad if they do.

>>9618239
Was my first too. The gameplay aspect and attempting to get as many girls to unlock their endings as possible at the end is an interesting bonus gameplay aspect as it requires knowledge of events, items and careful planning of stats

>>9620439
This looks amazingly better than the Yu-No remake disaster

>>9623347
the cat violence is pretty funny

How come I've never seen any love for Love Hina Advance in these threads?

>>9620095
>Just learn Japanese
Impossible

>>9626631
It is possible but you have to know what to do.

>>9626936
Who went through this and are actually fluent now

>>9626949
the method has been around for years. i expect that many people became fluent with it.

>>9626936
>Anki
I give up.

>>9627371
there's nothing to be afraid of, it helps you into literacy even when you are fulltime wagecucking like me
doing the same thing WITHOUT it is how I imagine nightmare mode, or at least a massive mess of paper flashcards.

>>9626936
>you're allowed to quit anki
never do that, spread your reps of shit you know further apart, but don't quit it entirely unless you're capable of consuming absolutely massive amounts of text everyday (which would mean fluency).

why can't I get voice on this? any clue lads? there's a folder for voices....

>>9628589
Are there any (voiced) sex scenes?

>>9628603
wouldn't know, I can't even get voice on the game

>>9618246
Didn't devs from Princess Maker make this one?

>>9626936
>Ankidrone
Is that the sentence card deck that teaches you mega rare kanji for words like "Indonesia" before actually useful everyday shit?

>>9626949
Speaking as someone who went through this methodology I don't 100% support it but I did become literate in Japanese.
In my opinion the Anki decks are quite unnecessary. Mine hit me with words like 二十歳 in my first few days. I finally used that word for the first time in my entire life last week, eight fucking years after I was made to memorize it.
Real experience is better than flashcards in every way. I believe the best thing to do is to head into a VN immediately after learning kana.
That said, everyone learns differently, and I have met people who swear by Anki.

I'll be direct: if you love visual novels, learn Japanese.
Going from translated VNs to raw ones is like going from vitamin gummies to meth.
You think you love visual novels now?
Wait until you spend weeks, months getting to know a heroine, falling head over heels for her, and hearing her tell you in her own voice that she loves you too.
When everything finally clicked for me for the first time I turned into a fucking junkie. I would come home from work and do nothing but read VNs for four hours straight. Not because I was a workaholic, or committed to studying, but because it felt that fucking good.
When it's sweet it's ambrosia, it's eudaimonia. It's the best I've ever felt.
It certainly isn't always that good, and you have to put in a lot of work to get there, but you owe it to yourself to read a VN the real way at least once.

>>9616806
Private Eye Dol was recently translated and it's fucking amazing what they were able to pull off on the PC Engine. It's part VN, part detective game, part classic adventure. And fully voiced with excellent artwork. I highly recommend.

>>9629705
I don't really care about visual novels as I used to, I just want to play games in Japanese.
Guess I'll add learning Japanese onto this year's resolutions, I did take Japanese 1 in college and I have nothing but time.

>>9630262
>>9616806
>>9617751
>>9630262
Don't you know? Most visual novels should be avoided since they are proprietary.
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-games.html

>>9629705
>words like 二十歳
it's used fairly frequently like when a character is mentioned or introduced
you think you never need it, until you see it in the wild again and again and realize your stupidity. I know because I was the same with words like 躊躇

>>9629167
You're probably confusing it with Ayanami Raising Project and Shinji Ikari Raising Project, but the love interest from Girlfriend of Steel, Mana Kirishima, does show up in the Shinji game.
Also the Rei game got a remake with an additional Asuka route.
I'm not sure the Princess Maker devs had anything to do with Girlfriend of Steel.

>>9631140
二十歳 just stuck out to me as particularly pissing-in-the-wind useless because of how many conditions have to line up for learning it from a flashcard to be useful.
>A character is being introduced
>They are EXACTLY twenty years old
>They are introducing themselves verbally
>There is no accompanying kanji
>You aren't already familiar with the word anyway
I have only seen this set of conditions line up once ever, and it's the テレクラ minigame in 龍が如く0. You have to select dialogue choices written in katakana, Kiryuu is being asked his age by a potential love interest, he happens to be twenty in that game, and so 二十歳 is written there as ハタチ.
Is a situation like that so common you need that card on day 3 of your deck?
I'd much rather spend all my studying time "in the wild" rather than bashing my head against a brick wall of maybe-perhaps-kinda-useful-someday flashcards.

>>9619102
but anon, from all the girls form anime she was the best one. Can't blame the MC

>>9624990
I'm not sure what all exists but you could always run a search on vndb setting it to "Mac OS" and specifying the years where it'd be PowerPC. Looks like there's ones existing since 1993

>>9616924
>>9617751

Sony even developed and published VNs themselves back then

>>9632868

I'm a proponent of learning japanese through memorizing situational phrases first. Phrases you might encounter in your daily routine and interactions. After you memorize those and common questions/responses THEN learn how all of it is written down.

Anyone's brain is meant to go through that route in formative years. You learn common phrases and prompts then later learn how to write it down. That way it's locked in a different way than by rote memorization of symbols and mental gymnastics about what situations they potentially appear in.

>>9626936
Aniki is the biggest waste of time there is out there, you’re better off reading kids stories and then going from there. Half the time to when you’re reading most of the VN games people play on here (romance and porn) you’re not gonna get a lot of specialized vocabulary that you’d maybe see in other genres like detective and horror games

>>9634602
How much grammar should I know before I can read and start learning that way? Context-based learning is always fastest for me.

Anki is a really useful tool if you use it for its intended purpose, which is memorizing things that you learned elsewhere. It really does help with retention while you are building up your vocabulary.
Just stay away from pre-made decks, set reasonable limits and understand that it's not a substitute for reading.

>>9634619
I don't know how much grammar is ideal.
I just winged it, went in knowing nothing at all, and learned everything through context and experience.
>Hm, words that end in い seem to mostly be adjectives
>I keep seeing お or 御 before words when the speaker is being particularly polite. Is that what those prefixes are implying?
A lot of stuff like that.
Very confusing at the start, but I slogged through it, so it's apparently possible to skip studying grammar and still learn the language.
I would definitely recommend at least skimming this article before jumping into a book; it would probably save you a lot of time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_grammar

Also, if you want something fun to start out with that's a very low reading level, I enjoy NHK's おはなしのくに.
https://www.nhk.or.jp/school/kokugo/ohanashi/
It's a bunch of live action performances of fairy tales with Japanese subtitles and text you can copy and paste into an electronic dictionary. (If you don't have a good electronic dictionary already, I use Aedict.)
It's an easy place to start, and getting basic knowledge of Japanese fairy tales is pretty useful; they get referenced in all sorts of places.

>>9625710
>Yu-No remake
Please don't remind me

>>9634649
Appreciate it. I'm just using Anki and some Youtube videos at the moment.

>>9634619
My teacher spoke zero English and gave me a few pages that were excel spreadsheets organized in a grid. It started with 50 everyday verbs and all their conjugations, and once you get the pattern down for them you can use those same patterns for any new verb since the don’t change, besides maybe 2-3 exceptions. Then there is particle. Problem with that is they all have multiple meanings and uses and you’ll just need to know the a bunch of examples to get the context. Adjectives are easy. Went you get to more complex grammar, adverbs, turns verbs into adjectives and vocabulary versa, that’s not that hard either. Once you get that you’ll be fine for most VN games, basically a middle school level reading. I’d suggest Renko dictionary app for some games because you’re gonna come across some games that like to use archaic kanji to either look smart or save space in a script (when often they are just spelled in kana 95% of the time). Don’t worry about JLPT type stuff because that’s specifically for taking a test and not actually for having an understanding of the language. And most important is always be reading. You have to read. Start with Japanese material made for learners. Then you can move to manga, simple slice of life stuff like Yotsuba or Shinchan is really easy to read. Then go from there. Akagawa Jiro is good for mid tier reading, if you can read his stuff you’re golden for most VN games.

>>9620818
Good music, but be prepared for a let down ending.

>>9616806
OPs pic is my favorite visual novel. Including the sequel.

Anyone here played this? (Amakara Twins)

>>9620818
The translation is awful. I also find it to be my least favorite entry out of the Kanno+Umemoto works of Desire, Xenon, Eve: Burst Error and YU-NO. Part of that is likely the bad translation but it's also lacking the meta elements the other games have which I'm a huge sucker for.
>>9616893
The one problem with starting at YU-NO is that it plays a lot smoother if you're already familiar with how to deal with the gameplay of "walk around to different locations until you find the next person to bump into". The amount of people who play it while mindlessly following a walkthrough is despicable.