/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9572387
Many talented people who genuinely just love fun

>>9572387
They're not. Sega had them beat in almost every category apart from Kart racing. Ignore Nights.

Because it makes them money?

>>9572391
Ironically, Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed is probably the best kart racing game ever made. Although it was made long after Sega was past their prime.

>>9572391
>They're not. Sega had them beat in almost every category apart from Kart racing
You have no idea about game design. Weird that you dedicate your life to posting about games

>>9572387
Quality control, I guess. They hire good developers and make sure the game would be a well polished product. I think no one but Nintendo does that anymore.

>>9572401
>playing Transformed
>taking 1st place and keeping up
>hearing invisible crowd shouting your character's name and cheering for you as you run through

That was fucking legendary game. It's surprising that the other two are such mediocre attempts.

>>9572387
It's sort of like asking on /sp/, why Alabama or Clemson are competitive every year in college football. The quality of their legacy draws the finest people even if it's to their personal detriment.

>>9572387
They aren't. Their games look and play boring. They're good at building a cult for their type of gameplay and mascots though.

>>9572391
If this was remotely true they would still make consoles today and more than one good game every five years instead of an annual 59% Sonic game

They never touched Melee, Mario, Metroid or let alone Zelda quality and their GC F-Zero is somehow worse than the 64 game with unintended snaking, awful flying physics and shitty generic techno

>>9572401
>Ironically, Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed is probably the best kart racing game ever made.
It's so derivative of all the other Kart racers that came before that this is completely meaningless, besides wrong

As already stated, it's QA and hard work at polishing the gameplay and design aspect of the games.
I'd say Nintendo is one of the big ones but many other japanese companies, at least in their prime, were as good, like Konami, Capcom, Sega (of Japan)

nintendo is run like an oligarch mafia, that's why.

>>9572387
Their single biggest thing that made them stand out in the /vr/ era was their games were very finely tuned for challenge in regards to kids.
Kids could actually get past the first few levels of their games and eventually beat them.

>>9572387
Until n64 they were then they just kinda gave up

I see the new systems have more games though so maybe not

>>9572391
Sega never really learned how to make a great console-style game until it was too late. Everything was highly influenced by arcade or PC design theories.

>>9572401
>the best kart racing game ever made
that's actually F-zero X

>>9572420
>>9572391
>they aren't good, muh Sega!
Always funny coming from people whose own heroes disagree with them, be it Sega's Nagoshi whose favorite series of all time is Mario, Kojima (dito), Suda, Itagaki, Kamiya, Miyazaki or obviously every professional tester, while it's people like Neil Druckmann who don't really care for Nintendo and list pretentious shit like Ico with bad gameplay as their fav ever

Way to derail a thread though

>>9572423
>It's so derivative of all the other Kart racers that came before that this is completely meaningless, besides wrong

Trying something different in a conservative genre = bad
What kind of logic is this

>>9572483
Do you believe derivative is synonymous with different/distinct? Jesus

>>9572402
>>9572423
Sega made great games that Nintendo had no answers for. Daytona, Virtua Fighter, Golden Axe, Phantasy Star Online, Shenmue and so on. No, SMW where you fly over every map isn't even comparable to Sonic 2.

>>9572473
Does your favourite musician talking about climate change or vaccinations make their music any less impressive?

>>9572485
I love Sega and the games you mentioned, but the "SMW fly over every map" bullshit got stale. Even if you try, the actual levels where you can "fly over" the whole level are 17 (out of 70+).
And the Sonic Team loves the Mario series.

>>9572485
>Sega made great games that Nintendo had no answers for.
And? You aren't bad if you aren't doing quite literally everything
>Daytona
Did you actually play it? It's the most basic racing game ever with F-Zero obviously smoking it in the depth and content department. Release Daytona today with a different name and it would sell 10 copies. It lived on presentation and arcade culture
>Golden Axe
Anon, that's a beat em up. Theorists are trying to figure out how people ever bought into that braindead genre right now in this moment. Nintendo could have paid an intern to make a bemu...which would have been dumb because other devs already made them on their console anyway. Battle Circuit, Sengoku 3, Battletoads and Treasure stuff if you want to count it are the only bemus that came close to being actual proper video games and those aren't Sega
>Sonic
Stop

>>9572392
It makes all of them money but barely anyone makes polished games on that level

>>9572521
This is your mind on Nintendo.

>>9572503
>17 out of 70 maps
The Cape can be used inside ghost houses to skip the majority of the content. I also like Mario 1-3 but Sonic 2 is the better platformer.

>>9572521
Nintendo didn't make those beat em ups. Battletoads isn't even a beat em up.

>>9572401
>>9572470
The best kart racer is Crash Team Racing: Nitro-Fueled.
It's not a fucking debate.
Not even Mario Kart gets to its level.

>>9572652
>It's not a fucking debate
Howse it's 4 player split screen multiplayer?

>>9572390
FPBP
>>9572391
SPSP
>>9572534
>reasonable post is your mind on Nintendo
True
>>9572539
>can
99% of players didn't know or even tried something so weird, stop being dishonest

>>9572492
It's just that everyone who makes video games and knows about video games says A and a literally who on a thinly veiled porn website says B

>>9572423
Wind Waker is one of the games that transcended its medium. It's pure playable art but with actually good gameplay not like most games considered artistic

>>9572662
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NtJQGedd0o

>>9572391
>sega had them beat in almsot every category
please post your face for science

>>9572664
>tried something so weird
Spin jumping with the Cape launches you straight up making it a super jump which wasn't some secret tech 1% of players discovered.

>>9572670
Should Wind Waker be my next game to play out of these?

>>9572670
kek

>>9572672
Not retro and it still looks worse than Mario Kart 64 block fort.
>>9572673
How about my bicep.

>>9572694
It's skill-based and fun.
If you're so anal about it being retro, then go play the original 1999 CTR.

>>9572702
I have played it 9n my havked vita. You said it was better and not up for debate. Now the reason is its skill based? Have you ever played Mario Kart 64?

>>9572705
>You said it was better and not up for debate. Now the reason is its skill based?
Why are you saying that like it's somehow contradictory?
The reason it's better and not up for debate is that it's highly skill-based. It filters the Mario shart players.
Are you retarded?

>>9572708
Mario Kart 64 isn't Mario Party. There are even ways to counter blue shells.

>>9572687
no you should play metal gear solid or doom,those are the 2 best games on that list,so maybe play one now and keep the other one for later.

>>9572714
Hos list is pretty bad. I also agree with mgs and then getting a new list with some data East games, snk games and wonderboy 2 or 3.

>>9572687
Take BOTW off there.

Play Prime, WW, and AM2R next in that order.

>>9572387
I think 90's Nintendo made great games, especially for kids/beginners. Simple, easy to control and understand, nothing too overly convoluted for anyone to get into. Plus they invented the Game Boy, probably one of the most revolutionary systems of its time. As an adult (and even as a kid at some points) I definitely prefer SEGA, but Nintendo was great back during that time period too.

>>9572420
Cult means small, Nintendo's fanbase is anything but small

>>9572726
What is wrong with you

>>9572732
>Take BOTW off there.
No I already bought it.

>>9572473
> and list pretentious shit like Ico
I was with you up until this point, don't you fucking shit on Ico. I don't know who the fuck Neil Druckmann is but I've heard this name, it's a nu-Playstation guy who does God of War or some shit, yeah, people like him are not allowed to have Ico as their favorite game. Also I think it's Miyazaki's and Taro's favorite game along with OoT

>>9572387
Honestly a lot of their more flagship franchises kinda bore me. 2D Mario and Metroid are alright and I love the moveset of 3D Mario, but the actual objective being more exploration and less challenge/execution based makes it less interesting to me. A lot of the time there aren't really many obstacles to overcome, you just need to figure out where to go which is incredibly obvious, and Zelda and 3D Metroid are the same way.

But strangely I think any RPGs they have a hand in tend to turn out great, perhaps because they're usually at least a little unconventional. Granted these aren't usually first-party, but still, the first two Paper Mario games I remember having a cooler combat system than most other JRPGs, I really like how the stats work in Fire Emblem (speed is maybe too important, but then I like how they're not all equally important but even some of the less powerful ones it's still important to have a bit of), and even though you obviously CAN play single-player Pokémon in a very braindead way and win, in my experience it's easier to find a way to play it that does produce tense and challenging situations than it is in most JRPGs, which I wouldn't really know how to make challenging without resorting to romhacks.

The single-combat format is unique as well, and a lot of the moves are also pretty creative in their functionality and I like that it actually tells you each move's accuracy and doesn't pull that BS where major enemies are immune to status moves. And of course the system is fully functional in multiplayer too.

Idk, maybe all this comes down to is that it's not really hard to be better than games that are just copying Wizardry's combat system and making it shittier. But it's interesting that Nintendo could've easily done that yet tends not to when they publish RPGs (I guess Earthbound would be the exception).

What series is Sega's Zelda? Shenmue and Yakuza? I'm aware of Golden Axe Warrior but that's just one game

>>9572687
Let me rank them:
>Play immediately
BotW
>Play immediately but don't necessarily finish, 100% must-try for the atmosphere
Wind Waker, Metroid Prime
>give it a go sometime
MGS
>give it a go sometime but not necessarily finish, worth it for the uniqueness or vibes and stuff
God Hand, Kingdom Hearts
>there is better stuff out there so yes but only if you got time to waste
2D Dork Souls, Nu Doom, Crash Bandipoop
>why is this shit on your list?
God of War, Metroid fanfic, post-World 1 Digimon, Digimon with cancer tranny art style, Blasphemous

>>9572941
>>Play immediately
>BotW
Particularly with 2 around the corner. Though I'd almost say skip it so the world feels completely fresh in 2. Can still play it afterwards for the four titans

>>9572929
Beyond Oasis, perchance

https://youtu.be/kyRl9VaDKS8

>>9572929
Nothing if you actually mean something comparable. Shenmue is amazing but really more for reasons of immersion and stuff like that. Zelda is lightning in a bottle that for some reason no other dev has the secret sauce for, Okami being the one and only exception, and it took one of the greatest minds in the industry to plan, write, direct and supervise it

>>9572946
Don't think that was made by Sega, it also kinda sucks, contrary to what Youtuber will tell you

>>9572941
>why is this shit on your list?
>God of War
Already played it for the first time months ago, and I'm considering replaying it because I like it.
>Metroid fanfic
Metroid fans keep bringing it up like it's supposed to be canon, so I'm considering it.
>post-World 1 Digimon
There's a new mod that improves World 2 and makes it less of a chore.
>Digimon with cancer tranny art style
I already played Cyber Sleuth, and this is its DLC/sequel, Hacker's Memory. I liked Cyber Sleuth. It's also why I have World 2 on the list.
>Blasphemous
I like Metroidvanias, and it's interesting that there's a game centered around Christian mythology, which I barely know anything about.

>>9572946
>18 28
That fucking music
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt3AlBCqkA8&list=PLP8_sGncyT5TZj5RBb1sBX-JgPKGPN2ix&index=5&ab_channel=SEGA-MAG.com

>>9572952
>Okami being the one and only exception
Nier, Souls games, SoTC. Also I've never played 3D Ninja Gaiden but people say it's like Tecmo's Ocarina of Time but more action-oriented. I really need to play this game

>>9572420
>>9572485
Lmao, cope harder.

I love Sega but they can't touch Nintendo in quality control
If Nintendo was really as stale as you claim it is then their games would not get the high praise they do.

>>9572952
>Don't think that was made by Sega, it also kinda sucks, contrary to what Youtuber will tell you

I actually enjoyed beyond oasis, but I agree its not as refined as alttp

Nintendo won

>>9572972
It's not really all about quality control. Modern Playstation movie trash is always polished as fuck but no one wants to play that shit because it's boring. Sega and Nintendo games are simply fun and you can tell that they are made with passion. Jet Set Radio is as jank as it fucking gets and it's still one of my favorite games of all time. Overall I'd say that Sega is better at making arcade games and arcadey games, but Nintendo is all about home consoles and makes better 'big' games that feel like an adventure, you have a clear goal in them. Their early arcadey stuff like Balloon Fight and Wrecking Crew is still good though. Don't get me wrong, Sega still made some good big games like the MegaDrive/Dreamcast Sonic games or Shenmue, they are just not as good as stuff like Mario and Zelda

>>9572972
Metroid and Zelda get constant praise and both are just crummier versions of Wonderboy 3. I find it odd I'm not thanked for pointing out this information and instead am attacked on a regular basis here.

>>9572387
There's a lot of blunders Nintendo has had over the years, but above all else, Nintendo's brand is built out of making games which are fun to play. Their developers are pretty much all focused on that. Virtually every interview and official statement, coupled with design choices in the games themselves make it clear that their whole focus is on fun.

It's how they were able to take something as shit as the NES and make it a global powerhouse in gaming. Nintendo games just have more soul.

>>9573014
If you want to not see people attacking you, you could always kill yourself.

>>9573014
Your picture is you but it should be any Wonder Boy game instead of Earthbound

>>9572969
>Nier, Souls games, SoTC.
Was talking about games actually similar to Zelda

>>9573054
All of them are. If you want a 3D game that straight up plays like Zelda, then there's nothing like it. Zelda is its own thing, really. Maybe because games like this are hard and expensive to make, I don't know. That's why I treat games like the ones I mentioned or I don't know, Mega Man Legends, as something similar to Zelda

>>9572391
>>9572402
I’ve been posting here for years and not once have I seen a seething Tendie try to shit up a Sega thread

>>9573061
Okami is way more similar to Zelda than any of those games.

>>9572387
Because their core philosophy has always been to make games that people will enjoy. To this day it's the only company who's games I am comfortable pre-ordering.

>>9572391
It's not 1992 anymore. It's ok to like both.

>>9572387
Their games aren't fun which is the biggest crime

>>9572952
>Zelda is lightning in a bottle that for some reason no other dev has the secret sauce for
Pisses me off because Zelda style action adventure is my favorite genre and what captures comfy shonen adventures just as well as JRPGs while offering action gameplay and interactivity instead of static RPG antics

>>9573168
True, me and the boys were just pretending to enjoy Smash Bros for thousands of hours while half of us didn't even care for Nintendo. The millions of people online who enjoy Nintendo are also just gangstalking you. Picrel also wasn't actually amazing fun in 1996, it was just a psyop

>>9572387
hard work and talent

>>9572956
I've been playing Blasphemous and gotta say, from all the reviews and comments about it, one would expect it to be mediocre, but I'm having quite a lot of fun and challenge.

>>9573201
Yea, the games simply aren't fun. Awkward speed run tech demonstrates this perfectly, the games must be broken to have fun. The intended means of getting that star are in the filename, you're meant to awkwardly measure a fall from a terrible perspective while an owl carries you. It's peak unfun, it's anti-fun. It's stupidity almost entirely beyond your control, but carefully timing a slowly rotating platform, taking stilted, measured and handicapped jumps will let you awkwardly wall kick off a 1 foot high wall and swiftly kicking the analog in the opposite direction to wrestle the games barely existent air control so the dodgy collision detection forces you into the boundaries of an object is inherently unfun. It's time wasting garbage and they knew they were making a game that would take a lot of time but deliver a minimum amount of fun. That's Nintendo games, not fun.

>>9573216
>Yea, the games simply aren't fun
I agreed, it's an international psyop to gaslight you

>>9573216
Post Duckstation game list so we can laugh at your idea of fun

>>9573218
They simply aren't fun, your weird schizophrenic delusions and complexes are fun at least so lets keep going.

>>9573221
I don't romulate

>>9573223
>your weird schizophrenic delusions and complexes are fun at least so lets keep going.
You are the one saying tens of millions of people are pretending to have fun. I'm just agreeing with you

>>9573224
Yea, the games simply aren't fun. It's a problem haunting Nintendo games today. I think children might be impressed by the bright colors on screen, but the games are so lacking. It's a problem ongoing even today.

>>9573227
True, the millions of people playing Mario Kart 8 and all the professional testers and users scoring it highly are also pretending. It's really not going well for Nintendo with the highest rated game of the last decades being a Zelda

>>9573229
See, the games are simply braindead. You mash the button and pretty colors happen, the fun is nowhere to be found. No clever physics, no well designed stages or encounters, no ingenuity. Mechanics so threadbare and uninteresting. I think the saddest thing is the Nintendo faithful have denied any other games a chance, were they to play more, they'd play less Nintendo. That's inevitable.

>>9573236
It's just a psyop, I agree

>>9573236
All big games have stinkers and some of the best games are quite repetitive at times. You are grasping at straws

>>9573210
Good to hear!
Any other thoughts you have on it?

>>9573216
>The intended means of getting that star are in the filename
And you can use the intended moveset to do it another way, which in many casses is intended or at least left in the game on purpose, otherwise they would try harder sweeping the game and put more invisible walls in them. Nintendo is very aware of that aspect of sandbox Mario and how open games feel more like your own experience

>>9573216
Bug

>>9573227
Older MKs had a lot of intended shortcuts. They did this because, guess what, the games are made to be enjoyed by everyone and not for turbo autists to dab on 6 year olds online. Are you actually too dumb to comphreend this?

>>9573242
From games don't even have any real dungeon interactivity minigames or village antics, you pretty much just R1 through 30 hours and no one has a problem with it

>>9573249
3D Mario peaked with Odyssey.

The problem with shitposting Nintendo games is that at one point you have to decide on how you even scale things, which becomes a problem if you aren't a total hypocrite. No one says Mario is perfectm, but...the thing is there simply isn't much better. I know this because I tried every single similar game there is. We can debate how Mario is better than all of them if you want to, doesn't matter if it's Crash, Jak, Spyro or whatever shit game

>>9573238
You don't have much interesting to actually say do you?

>>9573242
Game doesn't look retro or nintendo so I don't find it relevant or interesting to the thread.

>>9573249
>And you can use the intended moveset to do it another way
The way described before, an unfun and tedious solution. The objective should have simply been designed to be a fun one instead.
>which in many casses is...
...not this case.
>otherwise they would try harder sweeping the game
They did this much more aggressively later on.
>Nintendo is very aware of that aspect of sandbox Mario
They were not in 1996, the design is very scattershot and amateurish, more like 80s 3D games than 90s ones which were becoming far more structured and well understood. Even the "alternative" way of getting the star in a cage must be mired in tedium to be executed.
>Bug
There's a bug here too: >>9573201
>Older MKs had a lot of intended shortcuts
They were better overall, but ultimately lacked quality design and mechanics so were swiftly overshadowed by games like diddy kong racing, and ultimately that was trounced by CTR which if you're a fan of sandbox design, is the most sandboxy racer.

>>9573254
A huge AAA game barely getting any threads on /v/ because there is nothing to shitpost about is the best quality seal. It's like with movies on /tv/

>>9573261
>mad because I agree with him that millions of people are trying to troll us

>>9572387
>why is Nintendo so good
A lot of it is just that everything Sony touches is so bad in comparison. If you look at Sony games prior to the ps1 release, they are some of the worst shit of the era. Sony had no business entering the industry. Sony’s strategy was always going to be pushing shitty movie games and there is no shortage of developers who wish they were in Hollywood so it becomes a spiral of garbage. Nintendo does desperately need real competition though.

>>9573261
>The way described before, an unfun and tedious solution. The objective should have simply been designed to be a fun one instead.
Since 99% of people disagree with you, maybe come up with something more quantifiable than "fun" or "tedious". The things we can measure objectively all tilt in favor of Nintendo's quality, be it Mario's snappy controls that respond near perfectly (talking about Odyssey, but obviously 64 was insane for its time where other games had tank controls--something I assume you just ignore), Mario having a lot of moves you can string together with relatively small time windows and rhythms that are literally methodologically and scientifically validated to be experienced as enjoyable by people, how well everything flows into one with just the right animations and weight to Mario. It's hard to tell how good something is when viewing it in isolation, though, so let's just look at the much lauded Jak games: You have to roll to long-jump, which is less visceral and chancier in tight spots than Mario's quick duck, while it's too easy to accidentally roll when you actually want to crouch for a high jump because the stick has to be 100% neutral, which doesn't have a good flow. It lacks Mario's rhythm and risk and reward (even the easiest platorms in Mario can be a challenge if you want to do things like backflips instead of standard jumps, but it always feels rewarding). You can constantly challenge yourself with timing triple jumps and dives to fill the space that doesn't have enemies and pits while still having to factor those into your timing if you want to go fast while also having the advantage of higher/longer jumps. The closest to that Jak has is spamming rolls and wide jumps, which is more like the rolling in Zelda, doesn't really give you an advantage outside of going faster and doesn't require any skill or timing, besides being impossible or needlessly risky to use in tight spots due to its clunkiness

>>9573297
>Since 99% of people disagree with you
>The intended means of getting that star are in the filename, you're meant to awkwardly measure a fall from a terrible perspective while an owl carries you. It's peak unfun, it's anti-fun. It's stupidity almost entirely beyond your control, but carefully timing a slowly rotating platform, taking stilted, measured and handicapped jumps will let you awkwardly wall kick off a 1 foot high wall and swiftly kicking the analog in the opposite direction to wrestle the games barely existent air control so the dodgy collision detection forces you into the boundaries of an object is inherently unfun.
What part of this sounds fun?

>>9573261
>...not this case.
There are tons of clearly intended shortcuts in Odyssey, so it wouldn't surprise me if that was intended. What we know for sure is that Nintendo didn't go out of their way to discourage you from doing things like that but quite the opposite by giving you even more tools for doing exactly these things. That's not an accident
>They did this much more aggressively later on
Odyssey is quite open throughout, not sure what you mean
>They were not in 1996
Source?
>There's a bug here too
Not seeing the bug
>Mario Kart
>overshadowed by Diddy Kong Racing and CTR
lol

SMO is full with shortcuts that aren't very obvious and just work barely. Pretty much the way to play the game

>>9573313
>what sounds fun about good playability
>what sounds fun about fun
Assumign you aren't just a hypocritical fanboy, platformers and adction adventures simply aren't for you. Play Planescape: Torment or something instead of shitting up threads

>>9573297
>something I assume you just ignore
it's tomb raider austere so he does more than just ignoring it

>>9573014
What makes Earthbound great is the hunky dory village vibes and art. Does anyone insist it has good gameplay?

>>9573315
>There are tons of clearly intended shortcuts in Odyssey
Wasn't talking about odyssey (dropped it an hour in, was very boring)
>Source?
star 1 in wet dry world is a series of moving platforms you're intended to wait on but are so poorly placed you can skip over the entire intended challenge with a far easier long jump, the more advanced solution being easier, rendering the challenge pointless showing nintendo's lack of understanding of sandbox design as well as challenge progression. At that point in the game every level had featured more demanding challenges. Poor pacing.
>Not seeing the bug
pic is the bug, you being a mario 64 expert should know how walls work in this buggy game

>>9573326
Then you agree, it's not fun. Why aren't Nintendo games fun? They're simply tedious and time wasting.

>>9573258
Similar experience with zelda.
Every zelda like game elsewhere is just not as good.
Now most are still pretty fun to play, but don't hold a candle to the real deal.

>>9573338
The real deal with its arbitrary hit detection, obvious and slow puzzles, and awful stories. Any alternative to Zelda is better than Zelda, especially the games Zelda ripped off.

I have to wonder if the aggressive iframes are a technical limitation, like the n64 is choking while running at 20fps so it can't change the vulnerability state of an enemy until a massive amount of frames have passed. Only feasible explanation I can see for combat feeling so fucking awful.

>>9573331
>Wasn't talking about odyssey (dropped it an hour in, was very boring)
You might just be a very obvious case of ADHD with your kalashnikov shitposting in threads about games you don't like. The internet does this to people
>star 1 blablub
So no source
>pic is the bug, you being a mario 64 expert should know how walls work in this buggy game
Still not seeing how something like that is a "bug", but I'm not attached to that one trick and it was the first thing I found when Googling "Mario 64 shortcut". What really makes mario distinct and better than all other retro 3D platformers is its understnading of rhythm and flow, something much simpler than the shit we're talking about and something other games somehow don't understand
>Then you agree, it's not fun.
No I'm saying this genre isn't for you since 99% of people enjoy it, and most likely even the people who made the games you enjoy. Most likely even the people who made you

>>9573345

>>9573345
>enemies literally taunting him
>autistic player wants to win fight faster
>doesn't want to risk anything so he needs longer though
>therefore game bad
Quintessential Snoy post

>>9573356
soul

>>9573345
game logic in oot runs at 60fps
combat “feels awful” because it was one of the first implementations of lock-on 3d fighting. and i don’t think it feels awful, it seems you’re comparing it to modern games which have built on top of oot’s base for like 20 yrs
combat in 3d games only got good with kh1 and dmc

>>9573345
Okay the game is not for you and honestly I don't care.

>>9573351
>You might just be a very obvious case of ADHD
Nintendo fans are always the first to throw out insults and project their own mental illnesses onto others. I take it you're bored now?
>So no source
Source is the game, play it some time (but it might bore you, I recommend a better game like klonoa)
>Still not seeing how something like that is a "bug"
Then take my word for it, I've already demonstrated I know more about this game than you do
>first thing I found when Googling "Mario 64 shortcut"
I got the false wall in the penguin slide area, prob the first shortcut everyone finds cuz coins highlight it but I get this when I visit archive
>No I'm saying this genre isn't for you
That's false, all genres are for me because I like all games. Nintendo just doesn't make good ones. Except Balloon Fight which is an inferior clone of Joust.

>>9573367
>game logic in oot runs at 60fps
Post source code

>>9573345
>48 seconds
In Final Fantasy this fight would be 2 minutes and consist of selecting the attack button and healing once

>>9573371
RPGs are not action games, but even then no

>>9573372
>but even then no
Except yes

>>9573254
Only the sandbox games. Galaxy 1 and 2 and 3D World are still better 3D platformers in my opinion. 64, Sunshine and Odyssey are action-adventure

>>9573371
Also lengthy combat sections like these are infrequent in OOT. I cannot say the same about FF.

>>9573378
later 3D mario games are miyamoto submitting that mario 64's meandering sandboxes were a mistake, but his approach of throwing out the baby with the bathwater was a mistake. Mario 64 actually has decent moves...but the levels rarely encourage the player to use them. More like that in a more focused environment would go far as the sunshine underground stages showed. Shame about the rest of the game however.

>>9573370
>Nintendo fans are always the first to throw out insults and project their own mental illnesses onto others. I take it you're bored now?
The observasion that you probably have ADHD when you shitpost things you don't like while being unable to enjoy games 99% of people enjoy isn't an insult
>I take it you're bored now?
Yes, you are extremely boring. Literally a fat child screaming the same 1%er thing without arguments, but it also keeps the thread alive
>Then take my word
No
>I got the false wall in the penguin slide area, prob the first shortcut everyone finds cuz coins highlight it but I get this when I visit archive
I have no idea what your point is, but keep doing these exciting things while being bored by games, which totally isn't a sign of ADHD and having to do a lot of different retarded things every 10 seconds

>>9573378
galaxy 1 and 2 kinda feel like shit after playing odyssey and controlling mario for 5 minutes
i’m not even trolling play them back to back sometime. but not retro let’s go back to watching the shitposter kick the ground

>>9573382
you can also avoid most combat in Zelda and don't get jumped by invisible niggas every 5 seconds like in j"""""""rpgs"""""""

>>9573384
>The observasion
Observation* :)
>you probably have ADHD
Once again, projection.
>Yes, you are extremely boring
Sounds like the ADHD is kicking in...
>No
Then continue to be confused
>I have no idea what your point is
Mostly that you're a dishonest fanboy, you've done a great job of proving it so far.

>>9573387
I unironically prefer Mario's movement in Galaxy, the spin move is just so fucking good. I played Galaxy 2 after Odyssey and liked it even more than Galaxy 1. Odyssey is still amazing though and everyone has their own favorite 3D Mario which comes to show how good they all are
> let’s go back to watching the shitposter kick the ground
It's not even interesting because it's definitely some /v/tard who hasn't even played a Nintendo game or any game that came out before like 2010. You are literally arguing with some retard who plays Genshin Impact, some shitty PC ports of 3 year old console games and considers some boring and uninspired western game like Fallout 4 to be peak vidya. Like what sane person who wants to genuinely talk about video games and point out their flaws has a folder of fucking webms of Nintendo games on his PC? It's a mindbroken /v/tard who can't sleep because of Breath of the Wild

>>9573392
>Observation* :)
I probably did 20 typos now because I couldn't give less of a shit. If this is the first you spotted, you need to get yourself some glasses
>Once again, projection.
Only one of us is so dishonest he would deny it, though
>Mostly that you're a dishonest fanboy, you've done a great job of proving it so far.
Because I posted a gif multiple times and like facts? Also coming from someone who insists games everyone loves are not overrated or just decent...but literally bad and boring

Also you still have to actually address >>9573297 with something beyond your typical baby cries if you had any interest in actually discussing gameplay. Now go kill 20 goons in Jak games to be allowed to enter the next room, which is a lot more mind-numbing and also takes longer than this >>9573345. Of course people like you can only shitpost Nintendo games in a total vacuum. Sucks for you that this makes no sense and things are indeed relative

>>9573402
i truly do not understand the level of contrarian you gotta be to say “nintendo has never made a good game”

>>9573383
SMO feels like a refined take on the SM64 formula, doing a good job at it as well.

Sunshine, galaxy 1, 2 and then 3d world became progressively linear untill they flipped that around again in SMO

>>9572387
They're not, all of their games are extremely braindead and made for literal kids and normalfags

>>9573414
64 has more soul than all the shit afterwards combined tho. Picrel made me poop my pants and we all know what they did to the art

>>9573406
>I probably did 20 typos now
Probably
>Only one of us is so dishonest
Well yeah, I've got no reason to lie. I've backed up everything I've said and didn't make up a lie about googling a gay speed run trick.
Lemme really hurt your brain my fanboy friend: I like Mario 64 ;)
>Also you still have to actually address
I don't actually
>Jak games
Never played them

>>9573414
The sm64 formula culminated in some real stinkers, Odyssey being no exception. When an hour is enough, I lose my motivation to see the weird unity asset t-rex and dragon. Also it doesn't help Odyssey's case that I was playing Tetris 99 at the time, which was a far better game - and as far as I'm concerned still the only game worth having a Switch for.

>>9573414
One of the best things about Odyssey is how 'anti-sterile' it feels compared to everything after Galaxy. After stuff like NSMB shit, 3D Land and 3D World if someone told me that in 4 years I'd be able to talk to Pauline as Mario in his Mario Artist (frickin JP only N64 game) attire in a mainline 3D platformer I simply wouldn't believe it

Legit question though: why do all the severely mentally ill shitposters/namefags/tripfags are ferviently anti-Nintendo? You know, guys like Ruggarell, Quentin, ACfag, Manlet tears and here on /vr/ australia-kun.
These all share the same kind of heavy autistic energy with that sort of trademark way of no-life, terminally online shitposting demeanor, and they all happen to have a serious agenda against Nintendo.
What does Nintendo have that causes these kind of people to seethe for decades and stay rent free in their minds so much? Why don't other companies cause the same effect? Sure you see a lot of anti-Sony/Xbox/PC or even other normal anti-Nintendo stuff around, but these kind of super autismal people are focused on Nintendo.

>>9573423
>I like Mario 64 ;)
Is this supposed to be shocking? Everoyne likes Nintendo games. They're objectively good. There is literally science on this shit. The question is how much of a hypocritical fanboy you are to have the final word
I always say most people obsessed with hating on Nintendo are mentally ill, so thanks for just admitting it by making 50 posts telling people how shit and boring a game is when you actually know it's not and even like it yourself
>Never played them
Well unlike you I actually probably played every single video game you can think of and aren't just obsessing over the most hyped Sony game and the most hyped Nintendo game to suck off the foremr and shitpost the latter

>>9573436
>anti-Sony/Xbox/PC
I literally never see this shit anywhere aside from everyone (including actual Sony fans) collectively shitting on movietrash and being butthurt about Sony nuking Japan studio. Anti-Nintendo are mostly people who don't even play video games
>Ruggarell
I remember some guy with that nickname adding me on MAL ages ago

>>9573441
Hey are you that guy that didn't get chaining in sky gunner?

>>9573456
No I'm the guy who called him a fat retard because I'm not a brand warrior and I like fun games no matter on what platform

>>9573462
Just making sure, now I can respond to the rest of your post without giggling like a school girl,
>They're objectively good
I disagree, no game is objectively good. Games have to prove themselves and I find Nintendo games get away with a shit ton of unfun shit because of pretenses like this.
>There is literally science on this shit
There absolutely is, and Nintendo typically only pursues the most entry level of it, to the point they feel sanitized, samey (biggest crime) and tedious.
>I always say most people obsessed with hating on Nintendo are mentally ill
I personally would never accuse someone of something so terrible as an insult, it's below me.
>by making 50 posts
I only started posting in this thread this morning after waking up before my girlfriend and while taking a dump, you know how it goes.
>Well unlike you I actually probably played every single video game you can think of
idk about that but appreciate the implication, play more games, but be aware of bullshit hype especially over nintendo games which as-you-know are a sacred cow around these parts. Can do no wrong kinda shit, gets real tedious - kind of like their games can be.

>>9573436
I call it Saturn Derangement Syndrome. These kids spent like 5 years playing subpar games due to Sega's late stage mismanagement, and rather than just admit it, have convinced themselves that their woes were the fault of the competition. Note that you almost never see that level of autismal hatred when discussing anything related to Sega, but bring up something successful on another platform (that they were probably DYING to play as a kid eg. Chrono Trigger, FF6-9, Zelda, MML, Spyro, Metal Gear, Mario) and they come out of the woodworks shaking their sonichu amulets

>>9573436
>Legit question though: why do all the severely mentally ill shitposters/namefags/tripfags are ferviently anti-Nintendo?
Even as a child I always noticed how Sony fans are WAY more aggressive than Nintendo or MS dudebros, very reminiscent of attack and guilt cultures in sociology. Besides typical muh console > your console, maybe it's how miserable they are while Nintendo games promote wholesomeness and innocence. Hard not get jealous of the imaginative tendie who had a good childhood, good school, trust fund, watched GamXplain with his mum every day

>>9573441

>>9573509
>>9573493
This but it's always the opposite

>>9573515
Then why do I know if you made a Playstation thread like this there wouldn't be half as much shitposting

>>9573476
>I disagree, no game is objectively good
Sounds like relativist homo talk that makes no sense, but refer to >>9573297 if you actually want to talk gameplay seriously and not just nitpick a game in total isolation when it's better than everything else like shitting on a Lambo when the average car is a 2005 Renault. Until then I won't ignore you but I also won't let you waste my time with your intellectual diarrhea after you admitted being mentally ill
(we can pick something that isn't Jak, Spyro if you are insane or those shitty Clank games where you mostly just run and gun like a zombie)

>>9573517
PlayStation fans and Sega fans literally never make threads this presumptuous, it's a defining trait of Nintendo fans. I just like arguing with them. For the record, I'm a Turbografx fan above all.

>>9573524
>saying Nintendo makes good games is presumptuous
It's actually fascinating how such a harmless thread triggered you

>tfw you grew up with the Famiclone, Mega Drive, Playstation and then PC
>still play games from every company if it looks good
I'm the ultimate gamer, I love all the video games. From Donkey Kong to Mario Odyssey, from Flicky to Yakuza 0, SUCK MY DICK, AAAAAAAA

>>9572652
The original is better. The difficulty curve in Nitro Fueled is way too steep and turns off casual players.
>hurr git g-
It’s a mascot kart racer, Melvin.

>>9573561
It's literally the same game
git gud, bitchmade

>>9573524
Lmao, title is just about Nintendo being good at making games.

Your reply is just next level seething

>>9572521
Sega made F-Zero though.

>>9573564
>instantly goes from babby-tier easy mode to blue flame mastery being strictly needed in medium mode
>all cheat codes except penta removed
>have to beat the janky nitro kart stages now too to unlock everything

>>9573575
They made one game which is great if you are all about graphics but otherwise marred by snaking, dumb physics, dumb campaign and broken physics

>>9573580
Oh, and let’s not forget the godawful loading times. You can literally get through character select before the character models even load.

>>9573537
>>9573571
Proves the point quite well, were drama unintended there would be no reason for the thread. You're not particularly subtle, being innocuous is not a defining trait of Nintendo fans.

MK64 is still the best retro fun racer
>pick-up-and-play as fuck, no unlocking shit, no hubworlds, just start and race
>extra intuitive because everyone is familiar with the universe
>very diverse locations
>dat battle mode if you have friends
>gameplay just flawless with great course design
>Double Dash
Long karts make it control like shit and worst MK courses
>Super Mario Kart
Too clunky
>Diddy Kong Racing
Most counterintuitive course select screen ever, shitty story mode and collectathon elements because Rare can't help themselves. Charm and fun gimmicks but nothing great
>Crash Team Racing
Lacks the charm of Mario, WHICH GUESS WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR FUN RACERS, samey desert visuals mostly, items and game feel isn't as intuitive, time wasting hub, story mode and frustrating stipulations to unlock key content
>Speed Freaks
Awesome early CGI charm but lacks polish

Arcade games: Sega and Namco
Console games: Nintendo and Capcom
Middle ground: Konami

>>9573592
Nah, you wish it would make your point but it doesn't.
Just stick to threads that match your interests, this obviously isn't one of them

>>9573592
We leave the _subtle_ shitpost threads to the snakes, like our daily "could this game run on the N64" thread, first post being "haha no N64 sucked", or our daily "what N64 game should I play next?" thread, first post being "haha none they all suck", or our daily "did you know the GameCube didn't sell well :)" thread with the obligatory namefag >>9570932
Not to mention the subtle Mario/Zelda/Earthbound = bad thread

>>9573618
A Sega turbo autist seems to be making all the first posts in threads, almost managed to do it here too

>>9572387
They don't rush the studios to launch a game in the franchise anniversary and launch worse than a collection from 20 years ago, that's it.
Also i guess QA back in the days, but i really doubt Nintendo has a Quality Assurance team with how Pokemon SV launched and they don't even need to launch good games at this point, the fanbase will buy anything anyways.

>>9573580
>strictly needed in medium mode
It isn't. You're just retarded.
>all cheat codes except penta removed
Lol no. You don't even know how to Google?
https://www.ign.com/wikis/crash-team-racing-nitro-fueled/Every_Cheat_Code_in_Crash_Team_Racing_Nitro_Fueled
>have to beat the janky nitro kart stages now too to unlock everything
"Noooooo, now I have to play the game to unlock stuff?!?!?!"

>>9573583
It's a skill issue that you can't play the game properly, and it's a skill issue that you can't get money to buy a PS5 for reasonable loading times.

>>9573593

>>9573493
>>9573509
Nah I'm not talking about regular console warriors, of course these exist and yes they all have their own quirks: Sony fanboys are super corpo-aggro, Sega fans are like bitter widows and Nintendo fans are usually stuck-up and closed. But I'm talking about the hyper autistic people like the shitposters I mentioned, people who are legit mentally ill. They are always obsessed with Nintendo.
>>9573450
Yeah it's more like this, people who hate Nintendo that much I find it hard to believe they like video games. I can understand Nintendo not being your cup of tea or not your favorite, but hating the entirety of Nintendo and being obsessed with the company is a red flag

Does someone know if they did justice to pipcrel in MK8D or haven't they added it yet?

>>9572956
Another Metroid 2 Remake is a remake of Metroid with all the sequence breaking and rewarding the effort you put playing the game game, but the 3DS remake isn't a bad experience, just different.
I think the fangame is superior to the oficial metroid 2 remake, but both are worth playing in the end.

>>9572387
Play western multiplayer games like fortnite, wow, lol or hearthstone you will realise nintendo games are for retards

>>9573657
Fortnite, lol and hearstone basically speak for themselves but
>wow
if you unironically play a non-Asian MMORPG you should reconsider your life

>>9573657
>these are unironic posts nowadays
Might as well nuke all vidya boards in 10 years

>>9573639
All those DLC tracks are sasuga because they're all from a phone game. They don't even look like the rest of the game but much cheaper

>>9573592
>Saturn above N64
Yup, clear case of >>9573493 SDS

>>9573638
I've noticed that same hyper aggressive autism directed towards some PlayStation games as well. Namely FF7/8, Chrono Cross, and MegaMan Legends seem to trigger them the most. I'm pretty sure it's just 1 or 2 anons though. The post style is way too distinct in its particular mental illness for it to be any more than that
>>9573593
I don't know how many hours I spent just hiding on top of those platforms spamming green shells down on my homies fighting on the ground. Good times
>>9573618
To be fair I can understand earthbound not being everyone's cuppa. It feels like one of those games you had to play as a kid to get into

Bright kiddie image makes people ignore their faults

>>9573691
> and MegaMan Legends seem to trigger them the most
It's Battle Network fans

>>9573728
>It's Battle Network fans
Yeah you gotta be pretty autistic to play that shit. And the Chrono Cross reeeeeing COULD be from Trigger fans who are butthurt by the developments in Cross. But there can't be that many autists with that same level of violent retardation on this board can there? It's a pretty slow board all things considered

>>9573639
Nintendo is being ultra low effort with mk8, it's comical how bad some of the "new" tracks are. When Nintendo gets lazy they get REAL lazy.

>>9573691
N64 fans hate all those games, especially Legends for doing the whole Ocarina of Time thing better and also having an embarrassingly bad port that makes the N64 look too incompetent to run a 1997 PS1 game.

>>9573807
No one who likes Ocarina hates Legends, doofus. Your hater ass won't believe this, but as a kid I lent my N64+Zelda to a friend in exchange for his PSX+Legends1&2 for a like a month because that's what normal people do when they want to play cool games

We shared our whole collections obviously, but that was what sparked it. He wanted more time with my Zelda than he could get at my house and I wanted more MegaMan

>>9572387
They make games in genres nobody else in the AAA space is competing.

>>9572492
those are both important topics so i would respect them more

>>9573869
>No one who likes Ocarina hates Legends,
Nah, zeldudes are livid ocarina was predates by volnutt. Spend more time here.

>>9573928
Ok, sonichu

>>9573931
Chris chan is a nintendo fan, his gamecube collection would put yours to shame

>>9573631
>It isn’t
They spam it for the entire race.
>link
>literally the only character code is Penta
Thanks for proving my point.
>”Noooooo, now I have to play the game to unlock stuff?!?!?!"
If you didn’t in the original, then removing the option is an objective downgrade. Far from everyone wants to be an autistic speedrunner.
>i-it’s good if you buy a different shitty console!
Fuck off with your console war bullshit. If it’s an issue on one platform, it’s an issue with the game.

>>9573928
Nah that's not true

>>9573970
>>literally the only character code is Penta
>Thanks for proving my point.
Retard read your own words
>all cheat codes except penta removed

Stop posting retarded shit and then pretending you were right when you get assblasted.

>If you didn’t in the original, then removing the option is an objective downgrade.
Retard opinion. Earning things is an improvement on cheat-coding your way to them.
No wonder you cry about a skill-based game; you want everything handed to you, since you're a retard.

>They spam it for the entire race.
They don't, you're just retarded.

>Fuck off with your console war bullshit.
How is it "console war bullshit" when it's the same upgraded version of the same console (PS4 -> PS5), you retard?

Everything you post is retarded. I'm not reading your retardation anymore, and neither should anyone else.

>>9573990
All relevant cheat codes, retard. Nobody cares about quirky meme codes like 1-lap races, it’s getting all the characters unlocked immediately that matters. Tedium is the opposite of entertainment.
>m-m-muh skill! waaah, “cheating”!
It’s a mascot racer, Melvin. Your autistic speedrunner mentality turns off everyone else.
>They don’t
They sure do, get over it.
>BUY MUH PS5!!!
No. It should be equally good regardless of whether it’s on the Xbox, Switch or Playstation.

>>>/v/624429875
why you nintendo kids always shitposting

>people inevitably show up angry because someone said Nintendo were good
Literally name one other company who have produced so many great games, and remained consistent for so long

>>9574156
>and remained consistent for so long
Holy shit this is a tough one. Namco is the only one I can think of.

>>9574156
>so many great games
Not THAT many but Capcom. It sometimes feels like Capcom is a huge conglomerate that has like 10000 dev teams because they couldn't stop churning out vidya of all kinds non-stop for ~25 years before finally stopping to chill somewhere around 2010. It's like they were throwing shit to see if it stuck and ended up with a bunch of masterpieces by pure accident

>>9572387
They just realized early on that home games should be different than arcade games. They realized that maybe people might want to keep following the game progression instead of returning to the beginning.

In my opinion they reward creativity and innovation. Miyamoto, Sakurai, even stuff like silicon knights and old rareware. Leave luck to heaven. Maybe i'm too much of a fanboy for them, but they have helped change how engaging this hobby is.

any good serious answers in thread or just console war shit?

>>9573121
Just because I state Sega made better games than Nintendo that makes me a hater? I liked Super Mario Kart and I admit Sega has no answer for this. No Sega fans attack me calling me anti Sega when i say this.
>>9573026
I owned them on Master system. Everyone who owned a master system had at least one wonderboy game and the majority of people not in America or Japan owned master systems.

>>9574156
Capcom
Namco
Square Enix
Konami

>>9575242
>NOOOOO THEY NEVER MADE A GAME AS GOOD AS OoT!!!

>>9575242
>any of those being as consistent
Half of them barely make games anymore

>>9575305
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? We're on a retro board.

>>9574156
There isn't one and everyone knows it
>>9574173
>Namco
lol
>>9574202
>>9575242
Capcom is the only one that comes close to coming close

>>9575365
To be fair, Nintendo is much bigger and comprised of subs like Retro Studios, Intelligent Systems and now even Monolith Soft

>>9575372
>Nintendo
>Retro studios
>intelligent systems
>monolith soft
Being a nintendrone makes you believe these are all better than Sega, Capcom, Konami and Namco.

>>9575365
>Capcom is the only one that comes close to coming close
Lol.

>>9575326
Are we playing the world doesn't exist after 2006 game?

>>9575536
Fuck off to /v/ if you want to discuss NU games.

>>9575450
I would say Nintendo as a company has put out more good games over the years, and been more consistent than any of those. Nothing more. Nothing less.
They're not even necessarily my favourite company. These days that's probably SNK or Taito, I guess, but I like them because of very specific games they made at a specific window in time.

>>9572929
Beyond Oasis

So many triggered fanboys that just seethe the moment they hear the word Nintendo.

Nintendo lives rent free in their head and it's not healthy.

>>9575668
I've owned a nes, snes, 64, gc, wii u and every single Nintendo handheld. Criticising Nintendo is something I feel I have the right to do and if you feel their games don't have flaws you're the delusional one. Yoshi Island is a shitty platformer, every single Zelda game after 2 has been worse and FZeroX looks like 2 guys worked on the entire game and rushed it out the door.

>>9575695
This is again narrow minded.
I dont like Yoshi's Island either, but claiming it's trash because one doesnt enjoy it is peak delusional.

Same for people trashing games like sonic, crash, or spyro.
These may not be your cup of tea, but stating they are crap is just narrow minded as you should at least be able to see why others have fun with it.

>>9575458
Megatard detected

>>9575242
I like a lot of Capcom games, but they are anything but consistent.
They have been shit since 2015, when they begged Sony for money.

>>9576135
>>9576125

>>9575450
Retro alone shits on most of those today. They're currently making a Metroid Prime and made one of the best 2D platformer ever with Tropical Freeze. Literally what does Sega do today? Or Konami? Or fucking Namco?

If you strictly mean 20 years ago, maybe word it a bit better

>>9575450
>Being a nintendrone makes you believe these are all better than Sega, Capcom, Konami and Namco.
Nintendo including all its subsidiaries is easily better than those, yeah. There is a reason Nintendo can carry a console on their own and they can't

>>9576236
Yeah, Retro are amazing these days: Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze (2014), the list goes on...

>>9573216
>barely existent air control
Based

>>9576243
didn't care for this one being 2/3rds tutorials.

>>9572391
Where is Sega now?

>>9573062
>Tendie
Stop trying to make this a thing loser

>>9576236
Is TR really that good? I'm a huuuuge DKC fan but I thought DKCR was a little disappointing

>>9576774
It has its high notes but feels a little shallow. It's Rayman Legends/Origins but with some hints of DKC.

>>9572387
Because this guy had a weird knack for picking talented people and giving them creative freedom.

>>9576786
>It's Rayman Legends/Origins
It isn't nearly as bad as those games

>>9572941
Stuff like cloth simulation was actually pretty easy to do on the Gamecube since the Flipper GPU also acted as the system's northbridge. The Gekko CPU can just recalculate the positions and the GPU can draw them directly.
On a PC you'd have to transfer the new positions over the PCI bus which takes time. Nowadays you'd do the simulation in a shader, but that's a lot more cumbersome than doing a basic clothsim in-place on the CPU.

>>9576817
It's about as good as them, and the most fondly remembered levels are directly inspired by them.

>>9576774
>I'm a huuuuge DKC fan but I thought DKCR was a little disappointing
The fuck, I think that Returns is the best one. Still haven't played Tropical Freeze though

>>9573210
If an indie game is actually popular enough for you know about it's existence it's generally pretty damn good. If it was bad no one would even talk about it.

>>9576860
>The fuck, I think that Returns is the best one.
You gotta be kidding me zoom zoom. Returns was a nice game but it was utterly forgettable. No interesting boss fights or enemies, mediocre soundtrack, floaty controls and the worst thing about the game: waggle controls.

>>9572678
>a fat smelly loser spending all his free time (18 hours a day) discovered a way to exploit the engine therefore game bad

>>9572687
Get around to Kingdom Hearts some time soon, it's one of the best games ever made.

>>9572450
Nintendo was started as a Yakuza front making gambling games. The more modern video games division is for money laundering and is quite profitable as well. The original Nintendo building headquarters for the Yakuza section is still in use in Japan and you will be accosted if you go near it. Just play dumb tourist.

>>9577843
>using the Cape is figuring out exploits

>>9576768
Great empires rise and fall. Nintendo can rerelease Pokemon and Smash til the end of time and they will never come 1% to Segas greatness.

>>9576236
>>9576240
Why the hell would I mean today when we're on a retro board?

>>9575838
It's the worst Mario game up until that point. I see Double Dash praise on here as well and hold the same opinion worst Mario Kart up until that point. The reason people enjoy these games is because they don't know any better and obviously haven't played the entire series.

>>9578413
Because you made a statement about studios like Monolith Soft that weren't even Nintendo during retro time

>let's pretend the cape in SMW actually lets you skip more than 20% the levels
>let's also pretend that's how people played the game on their first playthrough
>let's pretend people never got hit or were autistic enough to backtrack to an easy feather
>let's alsop retend the feather isn't fun

>>9578538
It was cool how powerful and legit "super" it made you feel, without breaking the game or something

>>9578538
>autistic enough to backtrack
Are you fucking serious? If you could get infinite hammer suits in Mario 3 you would. Difference is that game would still be fun as you'd still be doing all the platforming.

>>9572387
hard to say, many possible factors, you could probably write a book on this.
they were a toy company when they first started getting into the vidya industry. A lot of their toys involved mechanical games, so it's only natural that their necessary focus on "what makes the player have FUN?" would translate well to video games. So they got a head start.

except everything I just typed is just bullshit conjecture a youtuber could come up with. The reality is that a few key people manage to work at the same company. Why? no one knows, luck I guess. everything I've read about how Nintendo works internally paints a very typical, boring corp picture. Shigeru Miyamoto was hired through nepotism. Tezuka studied design (not specifically game design) at an art university in Osaka that used to be an English cram school. Sakurai was a clueless 19 yo, essentially a kid, when he came up with Kirby. So it's not like Nintendo had some amazing hiring standards. Some companies just get lucky with hiring insanely good talent for no particular reason - I guess being located in Kyoto/Tokyo during the asset price bubble helped a bit in finding talent.

Nintendo always had a consistent vision about what to do with their games. Mario is about jumping on platforms, Zelda is about adventure etc. Because of this they didn't fuck up their flagship franchises like Sega did with Sonic.

Also people tend to forget Pokémania. Pokémon is literally the best selling franchise of all time, better than Mickey Mouse and shit. This gave them a loads of money to take risks.

Third thing is they got lucky with some exceptionally talented people they hired like Shiggy and Iwata.

>tfw because Japs were critical of Covid-19 policies Nintendo cancelled their involvement in the Olympics opening ceremony which was supposed to be all about Nintendo
>tfw the world missed out on absolute historic Nintendo kino watched by billions
Still makes me sad bros. At least we had Frog's theme.

>>9578661
Wasn't Mario one of the mascots along with characters like Luffy and Doraemon or some shit?

>>9578585
>Are you fucking serious?
Yes. I don't even think today people go out of their way to look for feathers. Check out blind playthroughs on Youtube

>>9578675
>check out zoomers on YouTube
Yikes.

>>9578669
No you're thinking of the Brazil Olympics closing ceremony (where Shinzo Abe suddenly appeared from a pipe)

>>9578618
It's not luck their talent scouting abilities are always on point. even when they hire third party devs to make Nintendo franchises they end up being good games

>>9578727
>(where Shinzo Abe suddenly appeared from a pipe)
Lmao I remember that

>>9578747
>they hire third party devs to make Nintendo franchises they end up being good games
They know that if they fail they'll 'die in a car accident', especially when they are tasked with something like a mainline Metroid game. Ever wondered why Samus Returns and Dread are good but CV Lords of Shadow and Mirror of Fate aren't?

>>9572391
Sega were good at making coin eaters, not so much console games or anything you'd want to sit down and play for hours.

>>9572387
The PlayStation started as an offshot from a music/movie label. Sega/Nintendo started as Arcade developers, although Nintendo quickly tried to diversify and get computer-like experiences on their console (Famicom Wars, etc) and people with a background in art and 2D animation, then some short stints with cutting edge early 3D. Then there's their background as a toy maker and a card game maker.

As Nintendo is right now, they, alongside Namco (who are worse at quality control and budgeting), are very good at prototyping projects until they get a good idea of what makes it fun to play, then they add visual elements to serve that objective. As a good illustration of this, pic related is from when they were designing bosses for Super Mario Odyssey, and despite how varied the character designs are, they're all designed around the same gameplay idea and boss pattern.

Another example is Kirby and Box-Boy. Those are games that released with their placeholder character designs, but were still shippable in that state.
The Wonderful 101 was pitched as a crossover using Mario/Zelda characters, and Nintendo as a matter of principle rejected it and asked for a prototype that would be fun to play regardless, and the game shipped with the generic characters.

Even their failures can be used to illustrate this.
Rare's Zelda pitch, while gorgeous, was immediately rejected because the gameplay was trash.
Project Hammer started at NST by American developers. It's supposed to be a Musou-like. They started funneling millions of dollars down the drain to produce expensive AAA cutscenes, complained that NCL's handlers are too oppressive, and that it must be xenophobia and the Japanese being PROBLEMATIC and out of touch with what American audiences want in a STORY. Even competing games like Disaster Day of Crisis were not approved by NoA to make room for it. In the end, NCL cancelled the project, and told them to REDO it with cartoony graphics, but FUN. They couldn't. Cancelled.

>>9572387
They haven’t been since the 90s

>>9573436
I have a friend who seethes about Nintendo, in his case he grew up mostly with SEGA and later Sony and feels that everyone overlooks the games he grew up with in favor of Nintendo’s stuff. It doesn’t help that he followed Yahtzee’s game reviews back when they were big, Yahtzee’s opinions on how Nintendo are just a bunch of uncreative hacks who make the same game over and over again while being defended by a rabid cultist fanbase helped reinforce his views that Nintendo was this overrated juggernaut keeping everyone else down.

>>9572387
They aren’t they are gay games for babies sega and sony are for mature gamers like me

>>9579037
Pic related, That's why I dont even bother to have those kind of discussions.

Don't they just rehash stuff nowadays kinda like Disney with their live action remakes?

Super Mario Odyssey would have been the best Mario game of all time if it wasn't so extremely easy. The Dark and Darker Kingdoms were challenging, but just a bonus for fans. I wish Nintendo would bite the bullet and just create different difficulty levels. Unfortunately this will never happen as it goes against the core of their design philosophy.

>>9573436
The people you mention are autistic narcissists, literally the worst possible combination one can have in a personality. They revel in the fact of hating something that is liked by "the masses". This is a mindset that has prevailed on 4chan since its beginning so it's nothing new. If you make a thread here about OoT, Half-Life 2, Earthbound, Chrono Trigger etc (i.e. games considered greatest of all time), you'll always have seething autists who keep coming back and trash the game without any substantial arguments. They enjoy the attention it gives them, and they enjoy feeling superior to others. Ignoring them is the only thing you can do, but most people here tend to take the bait eventually.

>>9579286
Odyssey is about the adventure/exploration not the traditional platformer challenge, that's why it's piss easy. Galaxy 2 and 3D World are actual platformers and they have balls to the wall hard final levels.
The thing in this game I was dissapointed by the most was that they don't give you anything for maxing out the moon count. Could've added one extra kingdom like the Comet Observatory

>What’s the secret behind that Mario ‘feel’?
>I think that is fine-tuning. Many, many, many hours and days spent actually sitting down and playing the game. If you don’t play the game, you don’t pick up on the little nuances, and the effects that you think should be there or shouldn’t be there. EAD spend a lot of time playing the games they make, half the team are playing while the other half are developing. That’s why they end up so good.

>>9579037
Your friend is right. Americans are in love with all things Nintendo.

>>9579514
Couldn't be further from the truth, Americans are in love with cinematic AAA Sony goyslop, Nintendo games aren't diverse enough and they don't dip their toes into politics

>>9579514
Switch has recently become the best selling console in France (of all time not this gen). And that makes sense because if you want to play modern vidya you are more or less forced to love Nintendo now because there are no actual video games coming out on other platforms with very few exceptions

>>9579553
plus cryptojews quite possibly permanently fucked the GPU market so gaymen PCs are not a reasonable option for most people who just want to casually enjoy video games

>>9579301
>This is a mindset that has prevailed on 4chan since its beginning so it's nothing new
Old 4chan was actually alright and I agreed with anons on most of the things. They loved 'popular and critically acclaimed' games too a LOT. And I mean that Mario and Zelda games were considered the greatest shit ever on /v/ and spawned more memes than any other game. Also during the late 2000s when TF2 became the most popular online shooter everyone on /v/ was playing it, there were party /v/ans, /v/ even made some custom maps that became community classics that even my 'normie' friends knew of. Now it feels like all of those anons are fucking dead, this website is just not the same anymore. /vr/ is still relatively alright though, you can actually discuss video games here

>>9579584
Those anons aren't all dead, they just mostly moved on with their lives and got replaced by a younger generation. I never imagined there would be a time where people would fondly reminisce about dudebro shooters on 4chan but that's the world we live in today.

>>9579584
We must have different memories then because I remember Twilight Princess being shit on 24/7. Same goes for stuff like Halo 3 and Super Smash Bros Brawl. But yea old 4chan was much better. So much more creativity, board culture, no polcel pepe shitposting everwhere you go etc. But /v/ has always been trash, just like /b/ (is /b/ even a thing anymore?)

>>9578618
I wouldn't say "let's hire the boss's friend's son (Shigeru Miyamoto) exemplary talent scouting.

>>9579518
I was more referring to their love for NES existing to this very day.
>>9579553
Who gives a fuck about switch. If you own one you shouldn't be allowed to post here.

>>9580468
meant for >>9578747

>>9572401
Agree and I'm partial to 'Tendo vice Sega.
I chalk it up to the developer Sumo Digital or whatever though. But I played the next Sonic Racing (Teams I think) and was nowhere near as good.

>>9579301
>They enjoy the attention it gives them, and they enjoy feeling superior to others. Ignoring them is the only thing you can do, but most people here tend to take the bait eventually.
I often reply to australia-kun because I enjoy his tantrums, sort of like a lolcow type of person to me.

>>9572942
After this long of development, I don't think the world will be truly similar. It feels like Nintendo has another hit coming up. Feels like a calm before the storm.

We'll see! I'll be playing it at 60FPS in YUZU anyways.

>>9573216
On release this game was fucking amazing and people took multiple tries on many stars. Were you playing it day 1 or at a kiosk in Blockbuster before release?? Doubt it.

It's only through the look back lens that you can shit on it, and it still holds up.

>>9581037
>playing on a kiosk
I was blown the fuck away my first time. It was at some weird computer store and the only place with a n64 on display. Psx and Saturn games (bug and some espn extreme sports) were on display forever at other video game shops and they never were anything special. Odd that they both turned out to have better libraries than n64.

>>9573593
But even this screenshot says it's Crash

>>9578723
>zoomers are better players who don't go out of their way for crutches

>>9580537
> If you own one you shouldn't be allowed to post here.
Why? Are you retarded?

>>9581480
>crutch
>not using the brand new power up
Do you think smw would have been better without a world map?

>>9572391
Sega hahahaha

>>9572391
>Sega had them beat in almost every category apart from Kart racing.

Pic related blows away any Nintendo-developed kart racer.

>>9582717
No it doesn't. It's nu-trash. Original smk has better single player than it.

>>9573626
>with how Pokemon SV launched
That's more of an issue with Game Freak than it is Nintendo.

>>9579518
>Nintendo games aren't diverse enough and they don't dip their toes into politics
I have never ever heard this supposed critique in my life. It only exists in your mentally ill head.

>>9572391
Gay ass furry games.

>>9579049
Sega having furries that all Sega boys wanted to fuck or be fucked by. Sony was the first nigger console in the States until Xbox came out.

>>9582717
Anything Sonic is trash that is only backed up by furries.

>>9584493
Sadly true

>>9584493
There are more actual humans in that game than anthro characters to choose from, though...

>>9572687
Play God Hand

>>9584493
Sonic appeals to autists because autists love to watch repetitive moment over and over again. Their brains are literally broken. There is also a huge overlap between furries and autists, as autists lack any meaningful emotional connection towards other human beings so they compensate for this by inventing an alternative character behind whom they can pretend to form a bond with another pretender. This is also the reason why there is such a huge correlation between autism and transgenderism.

>>9578727
How ironic that he would later be disappeared with a pipe.

>>9572836
Found the redditor

>>9582717
>Pic related blows away any Nintendo-developed kart racer.
You are mentally retarded and there is a reason MK is 100 times more popular. Even Wii has much higher skill ceiling and much better track design

>>9587370
nah he's right. Transformed is much more fun and diverse than MK.