/vr/ - Retro Games

Freakish rank autism that appeals to insane people

>>9565398
I'm gonna say it guys, I'm gonna do it

>>9565398
>Can anyone explain to me why this game is the goat?
It's not, and Saturn isn't even the best console for shmups imo. Even then there are better shmups on it like Sengoku Blade and Hyper Duel. I haven't played any shmups in a while but I had way more fun with SEGA CD and TurboGrafx CD when it comes to shmups. I did play Detana Twinbee on Saturn a month or two ago and that was pretty fun.

Since it's regarded as the best I was ready to be blown away... Instead I liked much more thunder force for example.
Just to be sure, 2016 version fixes anything or it's just an arrange mode?

>>9565414
>and Saturn isn't even the best console for shmups imo

>>9565398
I hate playing Garegga myself but I honestly do see the appeal of it. Most shmups at the time made dying HUGELY detrimental to the player, to the point where 'Gradius syndrome' is something everyone understands the meaning of immediately. Garegga on the other hand, makes scoring/dying into a crazy risk/reward system that can be pretty satisfying to pull off.

>>9565398
it looks and sounds cool

>>9565398
Battle Garegga didn't seem that special to me at first, but now it's my favorite shmup.

>>9565398
It was the first danmaku. And a good one at that.

>>9565498
Okay, can you tell me your evolution with it pls? What did you understand over time?

>>9565527
>tfw bullet hells peaked with the first game

>>9565527
this is straight up false

>>9565414
>Hyper Duel better than Garegga
Why? I'm a big fan of hyper Duel and even scored it and no deathed it, but objectively Garegga is way deeper and more interesting to play

>>9565547
It just gradually grew on me. I didn't play it exclusively at first, just now and then but kept coming back to it. It's just such a complex game. And the more I play it the more I realize there's new things to try, with the rank, with scoring and different weapon options and secrets to discover. There's just so much. It feels like there isn't really an obvious way to play the game optimally. Maybe there is one but for me it's enough that it doesn't feel like there is.

>>9565693
How do you feel about cute 'em ups like Detana Twinbee, Parodius series, or Twinkle Star Sprites?

>>9565398
Why would I bother when PS1 has Cotton 100% and Harmful Park? Let alone Einhander, Philosoma, Zanac X Zanac...

>>9565885
Love them

>>9565896
And love harmful park! It's my first 1cc and I was shilling it some months ago in all stg threads.

>>9565398
the bombs in garegga are to be treated as secondary offensive weapons

>>9565527
The first bullet hell was Batsugan anon.

>>9565885
>>9565896
Cute'em ups are based. Love TwinBee, love Harmful Park, love Parodius.

>>9565398
The game is lots of fun and has a great soundtrack.

bullet hells are for retards that can't dodge with normal hit box characters.

>>9566056
Really? I saw this shmup documentary and the japanese guy said Battle Garegga was thef irst one.

>>9567254
Just play Batsugan and you can see the DNA of a typical bullet hell form before your eyes.
It's halfway between a typical Toaplan shooter and what would become Cave when the staff members left Toaplan to form it.

>>9565885
I like the parodius series, and I'd recommend Salamander 2 if you like that style

>>9566056
my first shmup I took seriously, very fun and solid game. I prefer original to special ed

>>9567254
there's no real "first one" because there's no arbitrary limit that makes something a bullet hell or not. Stuff like DDP is considered by everybody to be a bullet hell, stuff like Tiger Heli definitely isn't, but Batsugun and Garegga are in a weird in-between, with some emphasis on micro-dodging from time to time, but with a fairly big hitbox, low bullet count and density, which makes them feel like prototypes for bullet hell.
Batsugun isn't even too different from V-V when it comes to bullets, and that came out a few months before, so that would make V-V the first one.

why do actual shmup players dislike and ignore Tyrian

>>9567926
Because it's not japanese, simple as that.

>>9565398
overrated game

>>9565398
It has a super autistic rank system that is way overly complicated and very artificial. I guess most people like it for that and the scoring (which is also a pain to optimize due to rank). Personally the rank system is a negative for me and the gameplay is only decent.

>>9567840
Tiger-Heli has more bullet curtains than most classic shmups to be honest, but I guess you are talking about patterns from a single enemy.

I think the main defining factor is small hitbox, which is intrinsic to all the gameplay and design surrounding it. To me, danmaku's signature style is a tiny little hitbox, slow bullets with tiny hitboxes, dull and static backgrounds, a shot covering a large portion of the screen (at least 50%), uninspired art and sound, and constant hordes of enemies littered without intent or care that just form a long flowing chain.

I would say Batusugun Original is only like 40% danmaku, and Batsugun Special is maybe 60%

>>9565398
its good, revisit it later, keep trying
some of my favorites didnt jump out at me until years later.


favorites of all time:
dragon breed (iREM)
blazing star
gunhed
densetsu sapphire
ironclad
coryoon
twinkle star sprites
magical chase (& the gbc port)
gg aleste 2
salamander
metamor jupiter
cuphead

>>9569417
& nebulas ray
strikers 1945
gunbird (2)
kikikaikai
space fortress (bally)

>>9565398
>Can anyone explain to me why this game is the goat?
It isn't, that said I love it anyway despite the issues

>>9565398
>not enough contrast between bullets/background
Rev.2016 solves this

>>9565398
>Can anyone explain to me why this game is the goat?
ask a jap
https://www.youtube.com/@ket_garelove/streams

that guy streams it every day almost

Can we all agree that this is Yagawa's worst game?
>has the same ranking system from Garegga, but it doesn't decrease
>the fucking weapon system, which causes the ranking to go up even faster

>>9565398
>>not enough contrast between bullets/background
>>some little missiles are almost invisible
These issues are solved by playing the game for more than 5 hours, if you aren't colour blind or something at least.

>>9570923
Fagawa is a hack who helped to create the tranmaku meme sub-genre, and all of his shmups are janky kusoges.

Fuck him along with Ikeda, both a blight on the shmup genre.

>>9570923
You don't really need to control rank in Pink Sweets that much. Just don't go for boss milks and it wont shoot up. You could also ignore rank and play for score.
>>9570961
Cope shizo.

>>9570961
Keep coping dadfag, your old archaic shitty shmups were phased out for a reason.

Fuck Gradius, Fuck Raiden, and Fuck All pre-DDP shmups.

What are the best cute em ups?

>>9570961
based + dadpilled.

pls teach me how to greg

>>9570979
Cotton is super popular, but I always suggest harmful park. There is also an eng patch now
Im instead curious about the best cute em up on steam

>>9570979
I personally love Game Tengoku.

>>9570979
Fantasy Zone

>>9570979
magical chase
twinbee
keio

>>9571304
bomb da burdz xD

>>9565430
Thunder Force is different than Garegga in a lot of ways. Obviously Thunder Force is mostly hori while Garegga is a verti, but beyond that the games are from two very different eras. Thunder Force is a survival game, the point is to defeat the final boss. Garegga is more modern in that its based around high score and has complex scoring mechanics.

>>9565398
My fave

>>9573570
Thunder Force is also way the fuck more fun and funfilling if you just manage to beat it, without needing to invent different ways for you to focus on the scoring.

And it has a 10x more kick ass soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHMv3M3bq4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxi3AwxCck

>>9566160
this guy sniffs stinky butts!

>>9573662
I mean he isn't wrong. cave games are objectively easier than >>9573605 or anything else compile put out

>>9573752
Being a contrarian doesn't make you an interesting person.

>>9567926
I haven't played it, but I tend to notice it's because most of them jerk off consoles too much. They don't dare speak of the mighty Speccy or DOS lest one upsets the console overlords that infest this habitat. They may even burst into flames if they download the MSX emulator.

>>9574205

>>9574207

>>9574208

this game is a fucking masterpiece and it's made by one guy

>>9573632
3 and 4 are two of my all time favorites. Never gave V a fair shake because of the early 3d graphics but I might have to try it again one of these days

what's the /vr/dict on GG Aleste 3?

>>9574330
Is emulated yet? I would have tried it, but fuck the switch as shmup console.

>>9574248
Title? Image search sucks for shooters

>>9574576
ChoRenSha 68k

>>9574581
its on windows too for free
excellent game

>>9567926
I disregard all 2D western games from that era because they are inherently trash.

>>9565398
The scoring system allows for strategy and different ways of playing, even moreso than a standard tactics game. If you don't understand this concept you don't actually understand shmups