/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9548758
How were they graceless stoners? I haven't played MM in decades.

>>9548758
plenty of grace in being a musician

>>9548758
>pretty much the elves of the Zelda universe
Bruh what

>>9548758
if they're the elves in zelda, wtf is zelda?

>>9548780
really nigga?

>>9548765
The entire Zora quest is literally a Bill & Ted movie. Their new domain is centered around a concert stage and (literal) backstage rooms for the stars to slack off in. Zora's aren't on guard to protect a king, secure the lake and rivers of Hyrule, revere and tend to (cow sacrifices?) Lord Jabu-Jabu, etc.
>>9548770
Historically the opposite

>>9548783
Common ear slut

>>9548783
>>9548794
Horny futa nun

>>9548794
>>9548796
YWNBAE

>>9548758
>>BotW doubled down on it hard
TP already did

>>9548802
She killed millions

are there female gorons though?

>hero is defeated
>your race becomes primitive hyperaggressive water beasts

>>9548810
>are there female gorons though?
I genuinely think there aren't, which is weird

>>9548758
The Kokiri are the Elves.
Zora are Merfolk, which are their own fantasy genre.

>>9548839
>The Kokiri are the Elves.
They're obviously more like hobbits

>>9548846
They don't age and are called the "children of the forest". Points towards elves.

>>9548810
No, which is one of the jokes they make if you go to the gerudo village and talk to a goron hanging out there.

>>9548758
They aren't even remotely elf like in OOT.
TP made them the elf race, their tech and design in OOT is comparable to that of the gerudo. With a very "chiseled stone" aesthetic. Did you even play these games? Your stoner comment makes me think no.

>>9548786
Yes nigga.

>>9548810
>>9548835
They look just like male Gorons. You see some in Gerudo Town in BotW. That disgusting thing in your pic isn't how Tolkien described female dwarves.

>>9548839
except mermaids exist in LoZ alongside the Zora. It's mentioned in Oracle of Ages.

>>9548858
What elves have advanced tech? What kind of elves is this thread talking about?

>>9548818
River Zora are all over the place in Four Swords Adventures... but that game was originally meant to be a prequel to ALttP. Zora don't seem to exist anymore in Adult Timeline... but BotW put that into question. Nintendo probably tossed aside timeline stuff moving forward.

>>9549176
>They look just like male Gorons. You see some in Gerudo Town in BotW.
Nah, those are males. The joke is that they let them in because they think big and strong = female

>>9549227
The real joke is that we don't know if there are females at all, but that particular Goron at least isn't one, but they let him in because they can't tell any more than we can.

>>9549247
The real joke is you

>>9549198
The whole "river" and "sea" distinction only ever made sense once in Labrynna, and it was just Capcom's way of having enemy and NPC Zoras coexist (which was eventually done by Nintendo im ALBW, which takes place sometime afterwards).

>>9548792
>Historically the opposite
What?

>>9548758
>Elven
>Hylian
>both pointy eared fruits
>"the fish mutants are the elves"

>>9548858
>TP made them the elf race
Because that's obviously the direction and parallelism the main people behind OoT intended. Only you and Majoras Mask were too dumb to see it for some reason

>>9548792
Thats basically all of Termina, it doesn't even have a main royal family ruling it.

>>9549493
>you either have to dos omething completely different or copy it 100%

>>9549496
MM is honestly the Zelda game that should have been just Link's fantasy or a dream (obviously withs ome deeper meaning), but LA already did that. Would excuse for almost all the shtity things in MM and even why the characters just look like OoT characters

>>9549502
If they hadnt reused models, i would have just liked it as a different land to explore, one slightly more advanced and without a royalty running shit. It does actually have some soft canon explanation from Nintendo of America sources that Termina exists along with other realms unintentionally created by the goddesses when they made Hyrule, comparing them to cracks in reality, though i feel a better explanation for the same concept is someone painting a picture and all the little droplets of paint they fling around unintentionally while doing so. If Japan had any hand in that origin concept, no idea, but it would be a good means to have Link explore more wild and varied settings without needing to dive into timeline autism.

>>9549467
>>9549472
>>9549479
unf

>>9549545
>concept is someone painting a picture and all the little droplets of paint they fling around unintentionally while doing so
>game is residual waste of foregoing game
>world it takes place in is also residual waste

>>9548758
Everything is turned upside down in Termina, something which literally happens when you enter it at the start of the game. In Hyrule there's order on account of the sages and the royal family, but in contrast Termina is in complete disorder. Clock Town's mayor can't decide on whether he should evacuate the town, the Gorons can't get a baby to stop crying, the Deku king has imprisoned a helpless monkey and the denizens of Ikana kingdom are still fighting the same war that destroyed their civilization centuries ago. There seems to be almost no competent authority figures at all. Termina is basically the inverse of the structured nature of Hyrule.

>>9548758
Because MM had character and didn't set out to sand all the edges off of the Zelda universe into a barely-discernable generic fantasy property carried by name alone. Zoras are most interesting when they're NOT just generic elves, and Gorons are most interesting when they're not just generic dwarves.

Zoras didn't have elf parallels until BotW, or arguably Oracle of Ages given that's the game that introduced them having long life-spans

>>9548758
Makes sense though, MM is supposed to feel different, with Termina being an alternate world

>>9549494
>>TP made them the elf race
>Because that's obviously the direction and parallelism the main people behind OoT intended.
Or it's just another aspect of TP copying from Jackson's Lord of the Rings, like Ordon Village being the Shire or the Death Mountain boss fight resembling the Balrrog

blue titty whore

>>9549806
>Zoras didn't have elf parallels until BotW
They have them since OoT. They start when you wash your ears upon entering their place and not ignoring the obvious dwarf counterpart in Gorons you met before

>>9549502
Termina is a weird-ass alternate dimension that exists specifically as a giant metaphor for Link to find closure, what the fuck are you complaining about?

>>9549927
>wtf why are you not regarding my headcanon, faggot
kek

>>9549918
>when you wash your ears upon entering their place

>>9549929
>headcanon
It's what the game says. Link goes right back to Hyrule at the end and ends his search for Navi, because he's not a Kokiri and he's grown up. What do you think Termina is? Don't cite Hyrule Historia or any of that crap.

>>9549934
The Zora theme transports something elegant and mystical from the first to the final note, as opposed to the simple and clumsy Gorons, who, like dwarves, seemingly have no women, are abrasive yet kind and spend most of their time digging in the mountains. Of course you can see all that in isolation and think it's coincidences and not a money-oriented stock company trying to do what they know works

>>9549954
>It's what the game says.
When does MM say Termina is an alternate dimension, bronon? This would make it a lot less shit in my regard

>>9549998
Probably the part in the beginning where Link falls down a near-endless psychedelic rabbit hole, then after getting transformed into a Scrub, walks through a corridor that spins and rotates with trippy sound effects. Inexplicably, this leads from an area in Hyrule's Lost Woods to underneath a clock tower in the dead center of a vast, foreign land.

>>9550015
So it doesn't say it and it's just how you interpret the N64 presentation and wackiness

>>9550025
Ah, I see you're an autist incapable of understanding non-explicit communication. My condolences.

>>9549815
>Or it's just another aspect of TP copying from Jackson's Lord of the Rings, like Ordon Village being the Shire or the Death Mountain boss fight resembling the Balrrog
As opposed to the entire high fantasy setting of OoT, the first boss being a spider (Ungoliant) that spreads death and poisons the magic tree (Trees of Valinor) at the behest of the devil-stand-in Ganondorf (Melkor), the world being a creation of space elves (Ainur), the story being about good versus evil and nine heroes who represent a range of different peoples (nine heroes of the Fellowship) that put their differences aside to fight unambiguously evil Ganondorf (Sauron), who covets nothing more but power and the Triforce (One Ring), enjoys the color black, distorts the natural world, takes up residence in an ominous tower and commands strong but simple Moblins (Orcs), swarthy Gerudos with red hair (Easterlings with red headscarves) and creatures as strange as Morpha (Watcher in the Water), Kokiris being tiny simpletons hiding in the woods (Fallohides/hobbits), Gorons being brawny hotheads (dwarves) mining in Death Mountain (Mount Doom) until they rouse a fire monster (Balrog) and find themselves suffering at the claws of a dragon (Smaug), with Zoras being their obvious counterpart (Elves to Dwarves)

>OOT creates new fantasy races instead of rehashing Tolkeinshit for the 10000th time
>nerds immediately scramble to make analogies to the Tolkein fantasy races
why are you like this?

>>9550098
It's babby's first symbol recognition.

>>9550098
>having an aneurysma because people aren't retardedly blind to similarities
Why are you

>>9549479

>>9548802
Behold, your ancestor

>>9548802
Her and Zelda are literally the only attractive TP characters and I like how it's not even close. Everyone else is ugly as hell, Ganon is alright though no homo

>>9550068
>just read between the lines!
There is no indication ever of Termina just being some illusion or alternative universe and your argument is "he fell down a long hole"

>>9550239
>and I like how it's not even close
Same, love how consinstent Nintendo is with the "if you're important you might be pretty, otherwise you're a troglodyte monster"
Gives the games another layer of grim luridness

>>9550239
Could be worse

>>9548818
Who keeps reviving all these evil kings and shit?

>>9549479
Those tiny fish eyes freak me out

>>9550286
Probably the same club of trolls who keeps reviving Dracula.
Non-joke answer: Before the downfall timeline was revealed, it became generally theorized that Four Swords Adventures was the retconned lead-in to A Link to the Past, and the Oracle games took place at the end of the timeline. I distinctly recall the theory that Koume and Kotake, because they were not killed in Ocarina of Time's child events, were the ones responsible for Ganon's continued resurrections in that timeline. Because the Oracle games have key details that don't line up with other games like how the Master Sword is found, it was believed to take place at the very end of the timeline. By finally destroying Twinrova in a linked game, the cycle is severed. But Nintendo clearly half-assed how the Oracle and Four Swords games fit into their timeline.

>>9549227
The joke is that gorons are sexless and the Gerudo Town is banned from males, which gorons don't have (nor females).

>>9548818
Calling it "Downfall" was wholly unnecessary. Just say that all the pre-N64 games (and the occasional release based on them like Oracles and ALBW) are in their own completely-separate timeline, like Nintendo did for Star Fox and F-Zero. Here, there was never any OoT, so Ganon is always an evil pig and Zoras are fire-spitting demons.

>>9550367
Ok, but who keeps reviving assholes like Vaati and Malladus?

>>9550435
>reviving Malladus
Has never happened sadly but he would be nice as a secret Tears of the Kingdom boss

This art makes Ruto actually seem hot.

>>9550478
Hyrule Warriors Ruto by DoA artist is the best

>>9549918
>>9549806
how the fuck does evolution work in zelda? this shit doesn't sound like evolution, sounds like morphing. do they just morph into something new every 100 years? you'd think it be like every 10 thousand years at least.

>>9550098
Its just one retard coping.

>>9550502
what's the point of giving a fish boobs if you're just going to cover it up? or is the retarded fish bra something you peel back when they need to be used? The character didn't have nipples, I really don't see the point in giving her an organic bra, what are you covering? it's clearly not the cleavage, at this rate just make her flat and keep the feminine traits of everything else.
I tell ya, people doing this seem to be more retarded than the puritans from the 90s.

>>9550265
The indication is what he fucking described, you autist.

>>9550265
Termina was always marketed as a "parallel world" of Hyrule, explaining why the characters looked the same. This was commonly understood when I was a kid

>>9549467
>>9549472
>>9549479
>literally just a naked fish loli
wtf was Nintendo thinking?

>>9550502
>they didn't give her a permanently wet shiny skin texture
could've been a 10/10 model

>>9550572
I'm looking at that model and the bra is honestly pretty weird. Sort of like pic related

>>9550805
true, I see what you mean.

>>9548794
(you)

>>9550367
The problem is OoT is very clearly a prequel to ALttP and was designed that way. It’s all Wind Waker’s fault for fucking up the timeline. All the games work except that one; honestly that should be the 3rd branch instead of Link randomly dying in OoT.

>>9548818
When is the game on the hero of wind timeline where the story somehow involves pulling the Master Sword out of Ganon's head?

Or has that already happened between games? I haven't really been paying attention.

>>9550885
Nobody wants to be the Hero of Braps.

>>9549998
>>9550265
>When does MM say Termina is an alternate dimension

>>9550885
It wouldn't matter if the sword is pulled out. He's probably graveyard dead. It would be cheap if he's somehow still alive because it seemed like he accepted his death at that point after living so long as a miserable obsessed old fart. The entire theme of WW was about letting go of the past.

>>9550958
>He's probably graveyard dead.
He was raised by two witches that were living well past their normal lifespans and the most recent game shows he's capable of surviving as a husk for thousands of years, if anything being sealed by the Master Sword embedded in his skull would just let him stew in his anger more and bolster his rage towards the gods and Hyrule

>>9550857
>OoT is very clearly a prequel to ALttP
At first, but the final release ultimately cut the main connection out by returning Ganondorf to being human and only having the Triforce of Power instead of gaining the whole thing and staying Ganon permanently. "Downfall" was ultimately conceived to try and rectify the plothole, but all they really had to do was just say OoT is a reboot and the prior games aren't canon to it anymore (if ever).

>>9551080
What good is "canon" to this series to begin with? It's not a consistent ongoing epic story; most of the games work fine as isolated stories. They're probably going to keep contradicting past games more and more.

>>9548818
I want a new game with Vaati as the villian.

>>9550435
Vaati was sealed and in Four Swords the seal weakened so he was able to break out, then he gets sealed in the four sword again. In Four Swords Adventures Ganon uses shadow Link to force Link into pulling out the 4 Sword and release Vaati. By then Vaati was pretty much completely mindless and weakened and Link finished him off, Nu Ganon gets sealed in the 4 Sword instead. I think Malladus was also just sealed and released, but that only happened once. Ganon is the only one who keeps coming back.
>>9551151
Vaati is gone for good. He had to siphon power from Zelda and he lost most of it by FSA.

>>9551161
>>Vaati is gone for good. He had to siphon power from Zelda and he lost most of it by FSA.

I'm sure that can BS a reason. I'm tired of Ganon.

>>9551151
Vaati is a jobber villain if there ever was one. Zant was literally based on him. I think the FSA and Twilight Princess developers were bouncing ideas off one another.

>>9551178
He's a jobber because Link got to him fast enough, if you took too long in minish cap it's a game over because he kills off zelda. Which was a pretty cool "feature".

>>9551178
I still can't fully grasp what jobber means and see it when people discuss shonen manga all the time but from what I understand Ganon himself is the definition of this. He comes back just to get his ass kicked every time. Judging by his facial expression before the final battle in Wind Waker he knows it himself lmao

>>9551186
almost every villain is a "jobber" if you're going by the wrestling term. It gets repeated because repeating the same things again and again is what most posters do.

>>9551080
Weird thing is, OoT was also going to be the Zelda 2 backstory with the sleeping princess in addition to LttP's backstory if the beta stuff from the gigaleak is anything to go by. Text from the dump shows it initially took place much earlier in the "timeline", with Zelda being the first princess of Hyrule setting up the naming convention and the Zora king was an earlier generation (Zora King III instead of Zora King XVI like the final)

>>9548758
>pretty much the elves of the Zelda universe
In what context?

>>9548792
Termina was just bizarro Hyrule.
Nothing, beyond that one backstory with Young Zelda, is really aligned to existing characters seen in the previous game.

As much you'd expect for a experimental project to test Aonuma on doing a Zelda game without Miyamoto's help and getting tardwangled by Koizumi.

>>9548802
>Her mom had a taste of hylian cock
Fucking interspecies slut

How do the Zora reproduce? Are they aquatic mammals like Whales or do they lay eggs?

>>9548818
Blame Ganon getting the triforce and doong brief havoc before he got sealed.

>>9551178
>Zant was literally based on him.
Wrong game

>>9551326
He follows a similar pattern as well. But Vaati and Zant are both meant to conceal the fact that Ganon is back.

>>9551320
Eggs, you have to get Lulu's back as part of the MM main quest

>>9551175
I could too, just have him reincarnate like the trio as he stole shit from Zelda's Force Power/ToW
If they could bullshit a reason why FSA isn't in the defeated timeline, i could do the same.

But let's be fucking real, FSA's non canon as fuck. How the fuck another Ganondorf happened and get to come back as "Ganondorf II" in the Child Timeline but the Defeated timeline has him resurrected so many fucking times and the Adult Timeline had to use other demons as the result of Ganondorf being sealed for good?
The fuck was the Zelda team smoking?

>>9551337
My guy, are you forgetting about his alter ego?
He was the first sub-villain to demonstrate the whole ganon hijacking bullshit.

>>9550421
I LIKE the downfall timeline concept, i just hate that nintendos explanation for it is basically "a wizard did it" and in their logic, every zelda with timetravel should have a downfall split from it.

>>9550421
>>9551413
>there's a "what if Link died and Ganon won" timeline split
>it branches off from OoT
>not Zelda 2
Fire Aonuma.

>>9550367
>it became generally theorized that Four Swords Adventures was the retconned lead-in to A Link to the Past,
There are VERY strong hints via unused localization text referring to the Master Sword and sages in a grove that this was going to be the case, and Miyamoto infamously "upended the teatable" regarding FSA story details.
>and the Oracle games took place at the end of the timeline.
I can see that, but I can also see them acting as alternate prequels to Link's Awakening (taking A Link to the Past's intended place), which is probably how Nintendo became so wishy-washy on Oracles.
>>9550857
>The problem is OoT is very clearly a prequel to ALttP and was designed that way.
You could say the same thing about Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures: it is PLAIN to see that FSA was supposed to be the direct sequel to FS since the game's own intro implies it's the same Link and Zelda since no other game refers to previous Links and Zeldas as such (this might actually be the worst timeline placement since it's so braindead-obvious, but I guess not enough people played the Four Swords games to care).
>It’s all Wind Waker’s fault for fucking up the timeline.
They for sure messed up with the Tingle Tuner's "Legend of the Fairy" easter egg that points to Majora's Mask being in the same timeline (and caused a lot of split-denial back in the day), but I guess we're supposed to selectively ignore that as just some fable.

>>9550568
Not seeing you deboonk >>9550093. Also wait until you discover Nintendo confirmed the Zelda team being inspired by Tolkien as far back as the 80s

>>9551151
Most gay people want this

>>9550637
They were thinking 'This is cute, and we live in the 90s, a time before people become virtue-signalling shitwads with their minds in the gutter, also the stats in the future will bear out that even if their minds are in the gutter it won't matter'

>>9551205
Having OoT be the core origin story for the entire series is really fitting and I feel it's unfortunate that they dropped beta stuff that would have mad more sense and tied up the whole saga.

>>9550093

>>9552078
Why are you on a crusade to deny the universally acknowledged truth that Tolkien's work is extremely influential and regarded as archetypal building blocks for fantasy media, even when NIntendo themselves said they love Tolkien on the question of what influenced them?

Is it autism? Maybe projecting your stupidity onto others because you never read a book in your life while literally everyone with a gossamer interest in high fantasy and an IQ above 115 read something Tolkien-related?

>>9550239
>Her and Zelda are literally the only attractive TP characters
Here is a (You), faggot

>>9548758
What if Link used the Minish Cap then walked between Ruto's ass cheeks when she's sitting down like that? What would that even be like? Asking for a friend.

>>9552193
>Tolkien is the only possible fantasy influence one can have
>ignoring the number of stretches to connect things together when shit like dark wizards in towers isn't exclusive to Tolkien by any means
Stop making LotR fans look bad

>>9552275
Zelda is pretty, Midna is pretty, Agitha is pretty, Illia is pretty, the Fairy Queen is pretty, Ashei is pretty, Queen Rutela is pretty, Hena is pretty, two of the STAR game girls are pretty, Beth is cute, Luda is cute, I'd plough Rusl's pregnant wife. I don't know about the blokes because I'm not into guys. Indeed, I don't know what that anon was on about. TP had a good balance of good looking and odd looking characters.

>>9552401
>NOOO, only TP is influenced by Tolkien because t-the village is clearly the shire...since...they are both villages and stuff...a-and...it has the same spider that Ocarina of Time has, even though it doesn't even poison a tree like it does in Ocarina of Time and Lord of the RIngs...and...and...REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Kill yourself with your strawman

>>9552401
I'm sorry anon but you should have said something like "You're right" or "I'm sorry" or perhaps even NOTHING, to that guy.
Because he crushed you. And the rest of what you're doing, is living a lie.

>>9550281
Yai is a cutie patootie. Take it back.

>>9549502
>"It was all a dream ending"

No. Anyone who ever thinks this kind of ending is a good idea should be barred from any kind of creative project.

Link's Awakening ONLY gets away with it because it's the dream of an actual cosmic being that in some way has more substantial reality to it than the a mere mortal's dream (at least in the sense that someone else can actually physically enter into it and interact with it).

>>9552606
TP was Nintendo going whole hog on Western influences to make up for WW not selling well, it wears the Jackson films on its sleeve
Pointing out that something has a magical tree and then likening it to some shit from the Silmarillion is a huge leap in logic and I shouldn't have to explain why

>>9552651
>No. Anyone who ever thinks this kind of ending is a good idea should be barred from any kind of creative project.
>goes on to name examples where it's okay

>>9552736
Yes that's right.
I'm a hypocrite. And you should take heed of what I say, except at times where I don't want you to. It is then that you should ignore what I say. It's totes obvious and if you fuck up I'll be very upset.

>>9552693
>Pointing out that something has a magical tree and then likening it to some shit from the Silmarillion is a huge leap in logic and I shouldn't have to explain why
Not really when that's something literally every high fantasy fan is consciously or subconsciously familiar with (guess what other game just focused a lot on rings, trees and space elves and has a golden city, literally Rivendell and picrel), and certainly something who is a huge Tolkien fan, which Zelda key figures like Tezuka are. But even if that's a leap, you also think it's a huge leap to think the Gorons (burly guys with no women who mine in Mount Doo--, I mean Death Mountain, awaken a fire monster and then a dragon that eats them), with their counterpart being elegant, graceful humanoids, are inspired by Dwarves and Elves is a huge leap

>>9552868
>certainly something who is a huge Tolkien fan, which Zelda key figures like Tezuka are.
Tezuka didn't even have a key design position on OoT, he worked on it as a supervisor

>>9553369
Yeah, he just co-created the franchise, directed all foregoing games, still worked on OoT, enjoyed a lot of respect and most definitely wasn't very reserved in his views, as it was literally his job not to be for years. That we know for a fact that perhaps the most important figure behind retro Zelda is a Tolkien crack doesn't mean others can't be inspired by his works as well...or guess what, other works that were inspired by them or Norse mythology in general. We're talking about mainstream archetypes

>>9553612
>he just co-created the franchise
>directed all foregoing games
So use those as the examples and not OoT
>still worked on OoT
A supervisor is not a design position, possible story themes and elements matching Tolkien were not going to come from him
>is a Tolkien crack
You're going off of one mention from a magazine that listed LotR as an example of fantasy books because it's easily recognizable, I'm sure Tezuka has a fondness for them but we really don't know his level of engagement

>>9551893
That picture fails to address Japanese women's tendency to leave rapes unreported due to cultural norms and the lack of Muslim rape gangs.

>>9554779
same for uk

>>9554779
OKAY YOU ASKED FOR IT BOGGS.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1673236689910670.webm

>>9554327
>So use those as the examples and not OoT
But this thread has become about OoT
>A supervisor is not a design position, possible story themes and elements matching Tolkien were not going to come from him
That's completely asinine conjecture because you have no clue what he really did besides of things they tell us. For all we know, Osawa and Tanabe could be his best friends and they do nothing but talk about how much they love LOTR, D&D, Beowulf, Ultima and so on. Positions like that aren't as standardized as you think anyway, the best example being Miyamoto who has way more influence than what he's credited for
>You're going off of
Him saying that he loves Tokien's works, which I doubt he thinks is a mischaracterization when everyone, including Wikipedia, recites that...and which is superfluous since the parallels between Gorons and dwarves (or "mountain-folk") is obvious, and only a mentally ill person would think it isn't or that it's a coincidence they turned this >>9550170 into this >>9548758 in the same game for their debut...with all the other parallels you ignored floating around as well. Keep going off, though

>>9548818
I always wished I could have finished Four Swords Adventure. It was the last Zelda I had fun with, but it was such a pain in the ass to get set up. Jesus.

>>9554996
Based
what vidya song is that btw?

>>9555014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fN752KQbes

>>9555024
Thx anon

>>9555000
>Him saying that he loves Tokien's works
He didn't, though. There's a magazine saying he loves fantasy books like Tolkien, but there isn't an actual quote in an interview about him bringing up Tolkien
>or that it's a coincidence they turned this >>9550170 into this >>9548758 (OP) in the same game for their debut
Maybe because it wouldn't make sense for a monstrous enemy design to be used for a friendly race? There's concept art >>9549353 showing how weird they would look compared to the rest of the designs

>>9555131
>He didn't, though. There's a magazine saying he loves fantasy books like Tolkien, but there isn't an actual quote in an interview about him bringing up Tolkien
Just don't be a schizophrenic conspiracy theorist who thinks a magazine would make up that the person they interview is a huge Tolkien fan to feed into your own randomania. It's quite easy
>there is concept art that's not like the final game
Not sure what this is proving

At this point, let's remind ourselves of the funny factoid that Nintendo themselves saw the parallels between OoT Zoras and elves, which is why they doubled down on it

>>9555131
You also probably shot yourself in the foot with that picture. Apparently they didn't even have Gorons yet, or at leat I can't see one

Am I supposed to know how to get across here? Also, I was told that a map came with the game, but that it isn't complete? I would like this exact map. I've tried Googling it but all I find are actual fleshed out maps (I've heard the one that came with the game is missing 17 areas) and it has spoiled the locations of two dungeons already (not that I know HOW to actually get to them, though). I've only found Dungeon 1-3 and 6 (6 was actually the second one I found)

>>9555270
You need an item from level 4.

Here's the manual, officially from Nintendo. It includes the map you're talking about.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manuals/en/pdf/CLV-P-NAANE.pdf

>>9555278
Oh so the map was included in the manual? There wasn't a separate map?

>>9555301
I think it was a separate fold-out poster but they included it in the pdf.

>>9555212
>who thinks a magazine would make up that the person they interview is a huge Tolkien fan
Okay, but don't assume he's a massive Tolkien fan because one of magazine tidbit, or that it means the entire game is meant to parallel themes and story beats from LotR

>>9555220
Gorons and Zora are independent from each other, I don't see how that applies

>>9555302
Thank you anon. It's nice to see that one of the dungeons I unwittingly saw is on this map. Although, upon actually reading the manual and discovering links can pick up a raft,I know I would have found both 4 and 5 easily. At first I was trying to find one to buy, but after reading the manual, something about the phrasing I the way they talked the raft indicated to me it wasn't something you can buy. Then it occurred to me that, since i found out the scepter hidden in a dungeon, there are probably other items in other dungeons. Didn't take me long to find the raft in level 3 after that. I also found a ladder in 4, which I imagine us the item to which you were alluding.

>>9555278
This page in particular.
Is the peak of soul.
Over all the many years since I had the physical instruction manual I never forgot this page.
It is very unlikely we'll ever accomplish the likes of this ever again.

Excuse me everyone but I have become sad. And I will now drown myself. In the toilet.

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Can someone here explain to me what BotW (Breath of the Wild, for any retro gamers that come across this thread) has to do with retro video games?

>>9555784
I still can't tell if that hunk of meat is an arm or a leg.

>>9555853
*opens your mouth wide open*
*farts inside*
there's your breath of the wild lol

One detail in BOTW I found cute is that the Rito elder looked like Kaepora Gabora.

One detail in BOTW I found cute is that the Rito elder looked like Kaepora Gaebora.

>>9555853
Its running on (what is pretty much) an overclocked gamecube
Like gen 6.5 or something

>>9555856
Leg.

>>9555853
You know what I despise about mass repliers.
When I'm reading over a thread, I'll see someone say something that I'm interested in the answer to. And then it's a mass replier.
And then I'll see another comment I'm interested in the answer to. It's the fucking mass replier again. And it happens over and over again until I wish your entire family was in the fucking ground.

>>9555863
Kek

>>9555863
my fucking sides

>>9555863
good lord lmao