/vr/ - Retro Games

FireRed and LeafGreen are offensively bad. They're such lazy remakes that do almost nothing to take advantage of the new hardware. Every map in the game is basically just the same as the Gameboy game but with new tiles. It doesn't hold up well to comparison with any Ruby/Sapphire map. It also deliberately lacks features that were introduced in later games like the internal clock which means no time based evolution and no option to grow berries. But this adherence to original game's design didn't extend to recreating its list of TMs, because that would take too much effort.

I don't like the designs from gen 3, I just don't.
It also introduced those shows, or whatever the fuck they are, they made the anime worse too, just an observation. The fuck is a pokeblok, I don't want to take my time on that shit.

>>>/vp/

>>9497015
Posting pokemon on /vp/ is like posting straight sex on /gif/. It is of a relevant gen to be retro.

Emerald has the battle frontier and more diversions, so that's where I spend my time. Tried contests for the first time. They were fun, for the first handful of pokemon.

>>9497021
Didn't ask, fuck off, spammer.

>>9497035
I remember talking to friends about ten years ago, about if Nintendo somehow got rockstar and made a massive pokemon game.

Then GTA 5 happened. Somewhere out there, in some universe, there is a massive pokemon game because Nintendo bought-out Rockstar.

>>9497054
No there isn’t retard

>emerald listed as the only hoenn option
LOL

Sapphire

>>9496654
Buying frlg encouraged the current cancerous trend of remakes and remakes of remakes. So get fucked.

>>9496654
While I enjoyed RSE at the time they came out, even then I felt it was the beginning of the end. Some of the aesthetic changes, along with increasing gimmicks, made me want to play them less than the GBC games. Maybe that had to do with the series advancing to a newer platform. It did introduce a handful of cool Pokemon, like Mawile, but a lot of them were pretty lame and less interesting than Gen I and II.

I always have had zero interest in FRLG because they are inferior, redundant, and dare I say, soulless. No Missingno., no Mew, bland GBA-era graphics. Why bother?

>>9496654
> Emerald or FRLG kind of guy
sapphire, the story in emerald is cancer where theyve merged the two together

>>9497703
Yeah even as a kid RSE felt underwhelming to me. Still played the shit out of it because the core Pokemon gameplay is always fun. But that was when Pokemon was solidified as a low-effort annual rehash series, like sports games. Only gens 1 and 2 were actual good games.

>>9497462
zoom zoom

>johtoddlers trying lump themselves with gen 1 chads while shitting on gen 3 again
pretty pathetic tbqh
gen 3 actually felt fresh, gen 2 is just constant "hey, remember the previous games?" cancer which more or less ruined the series in the long run

>>9497938
Gen 2 felt like an actual sequel. Gen 3 was a step backwards, removing features like day/night, not letting you trade from previous games, and locking away many Pokemon until Colosseum and FRLG came out.

for me its best 3rd gen starter

>>9496654
Being poor third-worlders, at school we emulated the everloving shit out of those five games and G/S/C through VBA, usually sharing tips or teams. I played a common save in the library PC during recess with other three guys from my classroom, all doing a bit per day or picking one pokemon for the current team.
To be honest, I went through the 3rd gen games because I liked the new pokemons, it was my entry to 1st gen and I wanted to play more of the franchise, but it always felt like a downgrade to the GBC games; no visible day/night cycle, the gimmicky base building and contests and the music were things I didn't like over the simpler, more dynamic experience from the previous generation. I guess things would have been different if I had played them on the hardware and had traded and battled with other people as it was intended.
If I had to choose, though, it would be Emerald. The Battle Frontier was a great time sinker once you found that one place you liked and went through again and again, in my case being the Factory and renting pokemons.

emerald is the best mainline pokemon game of all time 100% hands down. It had everything a "generation" of pokemon needed. 1. A great region,, my only complaint is the water routes definitely needed more diversity of stuff/pokemon. 2. 130+ new pokemon with mostly high quality designs. 3. Decent story and gyms. 4. Amazing postgame 5. introducing natures and abilities to pokemon

I think due to "hardware limitations" pokemon could not be traded from gen 2 (gold /silver/ crystal) so fire red/leafgreen essentially had to be made for gen 3 games to be able to complete the pokedex.
tldr. FRLG are just low effort DLC for RSE. play emerald

>>9498124
don't all Pokemon remakes feel like dlc?

>>9498124
>I think due to "hardware limitations" pokemon could not be traded from gen 2 (gold /silver/ crystal) so fire red/leafgreen essentially had to be made for gen 3 games to be able to complete the pokedex.
You don't 'think' this, you poorly coded bot, this is a simple fact.

>>9496654
ruby/sapphire/emerald are the peak of pokemon gaming for me

I like 3rd gen Pokemon, but I dont like Hoenn. So its FR/LG for me.

>>9498136
wrong. they did it to cash grab. theres no other reason to have made it incompatible like they did. the gba could play gb and gbc games so obviously hardware wasnt the issue.

>>9498181
I didn't say anything about the reasoning, you worthless fucking bot.

>>9498136
what the fuck is wrong with you, you sensitive faggot? woke up on the wrong side of the bed there big guy?

>>9498202
>Super Mario Bros. 2 isn't the same game in America and Japan
>'I think' it's because certain industry people said it would be too difficult for American players

>>9496998
>They're such lazy remakes that do almost nothing to take advantage of the new hardware. Every map in the game is basically just the same as the Gameboy game but with new tiles

This is exactly what I wanted. Being unable to sequence break is annoying and the tiles aren't as ambitious as the original(everything is just forest) but I like it well enough.

FRLG, because gen 3 was fucking awful Digimon shit

>>9497108
There actually probably is lol

>>9498184
>bot
oh its literally a schizo poster who thinks hes the only one who uses this site

I would love the battlefrontier a lot more if you got to level up through it. Its hard to not see them as a bit of a waste of time now as they're meant to be a supplement to competitive, and that scene is dead for old gens outside of Smogon.

>>9498223
If you're going to achieve your Dead Internet Theory goals, you're going to have to code more believable bots.

>>9498227
go outside you obnoxious cunt

>>9498251
no u

>>9498216
The big problem with gen 3 Pokémon design is they started being conscious of streamlining for the anime and showing off the GBA palette. The limitation of the original game boy made the designs stronger. Remember a lot of the designs were largely conceptualized in the sprite, with Minimal concept art drafts.

>>9498345
The gen 3 sprites just straight up look like shit. Yellow is a foregone conclusion, but even some of the RB sprites are preferable.

>>9498124
>>9498181
It had nothing to do with hardware.
The way gen 3 (and onwards) games calculate stats is so different that they simply weren't compatible with the previous games anymore.

>>9498454
If they really wanted to, they'd find a way to make them compatible. even if it just amounted to cloning a copy of the original Pokemon. They had to figure out how to assign genders and shiny status for Gen 1 Pokemon into Gen 2, after all.
Instead they required no less than 4 games to catch all Pokemon that generation.

That said I do find it interesting since I'm willing to five GF the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't just greed like most people, but wanting to do a social experiment where they wanted to see how Pokemon would spread. I think it became more fully realized once online trading became standard, when D/P came out with online trading it was really cool to propagate Pokemon that weren't easy to acquire with the standard D/P games online. stuff like Johto starters or swarming /honey/mansion Pokemon that were rare encounters in game but easy to find in RSE/FR/LG.

>>9498454
You're talking to a bot.

>>9496654
These are my favorite games in the series, mostly because I grew up with them. Gen 4 perfected the combat but for me, the Hoenn region will always have the best exploration, the best music, and the most soul.

>>9498503
>They had to figure out how to assign genders and shiny status for Gen 1 Pokemon into Gen 2, after all.
Yeah, they did that by splitting the attack potential in half, and if you were on the lower half, you were female. Guess which generation completely reconfigured that.

Regardless if you're A or B you're probably in your mid twenties and were too poor or had a shitty single parent who didn't take you to any 3rd gen events.
Well the time is now, Friends!
Simply slap an old R4 gold cart into a DS-Lite and inject the event cart data into it. Stick the 3rd gen game in bottom and get your official Game Freak event pokemon.
>Shiny pokemon and starters literal boxes full
>Jirachi
>Deoxys
>MEW
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR, CUNT?!
reply to this post for free tech support regarding this endeavor I will do my best to lurk or post proofs.

>>9498545
I miss when my action replay still worked.

>>9497953
Gen 2 felt like a glorified expansion pack at best.

>>9498560
I scooped one up because it had the cable and I had the old CD. I put it in my windows XP tower from 2002 and guess what?
The CD is empty. It phoned home to let you download Datel's software for the AR. Can you believe that shit? Don't buy a gameshark either there's 3 different GBA models and only the most fragile one has working Pokemon codes.

>>9498565
The way I see it the fact that Gen2 felt still connected to the earlier games was, and was viewed by many as a good thing, many of us OG Pokemon kids had higher hopes for the series, mainly that it would have an actual story and lore that would continue to unfurl like an actual series, not just be more typical Nintendo product where none of that matters.

That being said, while I do admire aspects of Gen2, I'm still not exactly a Gen2 "stan", I'm a Gen1 guy...Gen2, spiritually, was in the right direction I just felt in retrospect that too much is flawed about it...playing through it simply isn't as seamless as Gen1, and Gen1 wasn't PERFECT, but Gen2 seemed to just make some things worse, Gen3 I feel almost the opposite about, in my opinion it ironed out the wrinkles in some ways and I commend it for that, but at the same time it's also when the series lost the original games soul and it became obvious that previous games were no longer going to matter and confirmation that there would be in fact no over arching plots or story development in Pokemon.

>>9498503
They didn't because >>9498454 is wrong. It absolutely was hardware - there was no way to connect a GBC and a GBA game, so you couldn't even copy the data from Gen I/II to III. It's not even Game Freak being money grubbers because they didn't make any of the Game Boys.

>>9498620
Too bad Gen 2's story was absolute rubbish.
>Giovanni-senpai... please notice us!
>he never shows up
>that's it, that's the story
>enjoy your reward of touring ghost town downscaled Kanto

>>9498620
>but at the same time it's also when the series lost the original games soul and it became obvious that previous games were no longer going to matter and confirmation that there would be in fact no over arching plots or story development in Pokemon.
Anon what the fuck are you whining about? That's not true at all, the series continued having callbacks to earlier titles/regions and plots.

>>9498620
>>9498627
Kill yourselves, storyfags.

>>9498646
>t. literal autist who plays RPGs to watch numbers get bigger

>>9498649

Why are so many of so fucking angry? Calm the fuck down already. Pokemon isnt worth this level of anger.
To answer your question OP, its hard to choose, Gen 1 will always hold a special place in my heart and I love the remakes, but Gen 3 was my favorite, its basically a tie for me.

Emerald has really good post E4 content but at the same time I always really loved the Sevii isles. It's a lot of fun exploring there and finding all those johtomons and all the little johto music remixes.

Thinking about it reminds me of that short window of time between FRLG and HGSS where people were especially hyped over Johto and everyone wanted to see FRLG followed up with GSC remakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7HjS747mM

>>9498630
I'm talking about something a lot greater than little callbacks or references. I'm talking about having a real plot and a main narrative that gets fleshed out, not reinvented, when Pokemon was brand new and not just another series that everybody knew the "rules" of how the franchise works, a lot of us viewed it differently. We expected our adventure in Gen1 and everything it presented from intriguing Pokemon bios, the cryptic story of Mew/Mewtwo etc, and even things from the anime to be laying the groundwork for some bigger narrative, but it wasn't...and that's where the disappointment lies. I remember being a kid and playing Saphire version and enjoying the gameplay well enough but just thinking "oh, so that's it....we're in a new region and there's a new narrative with new creatures, that really doesn't elaborate on or build off the last and creates its own new semi self contained story/mythology" and it was then I knew that's how Pokemon was going to work as a franchise, and it worked for them, keeping things fairly new each time is part of why it's so successful and easily adopted by each new era of kids, but it still disappointed a lot of us. If you came into Pokemon post Gen 1 when the rules of how Pokemon works as a franchise were established, it's probably hard to imagine a time when nobody knew that and assumed every little tiny detail in Gen 1 was a big deal that had something to do with a greater story

In retrospect, obviously not much thought went into the plot, but it didn't feel that way to us as little kids who took it very seriously

>>9498627
I mean I didn't say Gen2 had a great story, just that it felt good that it was connected to the previous games. Story was kind of underwhelming.
>>9498646
It might be cynical of me but what do you get out of Pokemon as an adult if it's not rooted in nostalgia for the fictional world? Gameplay wise it's about as basic and breezy as RPGs get

>>9498627
Wait what? Giovanni showed up after the elite 4 in the forest. There’s a battle with him. Don’t you remember?

>>9496654
For me it’s Ruby
Don’t care for Emerald at all, additions aren’t worth all the changes for the worse

>>9498345
>The big problem with gen 3 Pokémon design is they started being conscious of streamlining for the anime
I don't know how you fags manage to completely ignore Gen 2 when it comes to this, with all the fucking baby mon and simplified designs it had.

>>9498829
>It might be cynical of me but what do you get out of Pokemon as an adult if it's not rooted in nostalgia for the fictional world?
The story of preteen trainer beating evil team doesn't even factor into my nostalgia. I can't imagine how mentally retarded you'd have to be for that to matter to you, at any age. My nostalgia is rooted in raising a vast array of murderpets and going on an adventure with them.

>>9498839
>For me it’s Ruby
>Don’t care for Emerald at all, additions aren’t worth all the changes for the worse
What changes for the worse? Emerald is by far the definitive Gen 3 game thanks to the Battle Frontier. Don't tell me you got filtered.

>>9498941
Ugly new sprites and tiles everywhere, Hoenn Pokemon removed in favor of more Johto shitmons that already are in Colosseum, shitty battle facilities that are outclassed by Colo/XD and Battle Revolution, story is fucked up and ends in a really anti-climactic way

>>9499203
>shitty battle facilities that are outclassed by Colo/XD and Battle Revolution
Ah, so you were filtered then.

>>9499272
Yeah I was filtered by the game being inferior, you sure got me there

>>9499297
nah that's cope, literally everyone wanted the battle frontier back in the remakes because it was pure kino, you got filtered hard mate

>>9499303
Nah it was because they’re insane fags who interpreted tiny nods toward the Frontier as deliberate personal attacks from Game Freak. Legitimate mental illness

>>9499313
>everyone but me is insane
you're either a mental case or a coping faggot, my money's still on the latter

>>9498834
That's only if you got the special event Pokemon to trigger the battle. Gen4 was especially notorious for that kind of event.

>>9498834
That's not in Gen 2.

>>9499315
I’m both of those and also correct. The people who got irrationally angry over the BF being cut and not all the other shit wrong with ORAS are fucking crazy.

>>9499321
People were pissed off by Gamefreak's blatant display of laziness, as they should be. They didn't want to take the time re-create the Frontier in the Gen 6 engine, so they just ported over the Maison instead. Defending that, or passing it off as just something to ignore is pure cuckery.

>>9499328
They didn't even put in the original Battle Tower from Ruby and Sapphire, let alone the whole Frontier.

>>9499331
Yeah, it's bullshit. An absolute step back from the HG/SS postgame improvements over Crystal.

>>9499339
The 3DS era in general is the result of the franchise amd its creators having nowhere to go but down after the DS era took it as far as it could reasonably go.

>>9499351
They were just testing the waters of how much shit they could get away with. In the end, ORAS actually outsold HGSS. People keep buying these lazy fucking titles en masse and they keep getting lazier each new gen. Scarlet and Violet sold extremely well and continue to do so despite everyone knowing they're buggy piles of shit.

>>9499359
Nowadays, they survive on constant Gen1 pandering and gimmicky crutches in battles like Mega Evolution.

>>9497008
>I base my opinions on 20 year old vague memories
Okay bucko, we don't care

>>9499359
>ORAS actually outsold HGSS
This should be a wakeup call for you. Maybe it isn't the case that "literally everyone wanted the battle frontier back".

>>9499418
Yeah, just like SV setting franchise sales records proves that nobody wants a game that isn't full of bugs and poor design decisions.

>>9498931
>murderpets
Using tryhard terms like that just means you're one of those guys that's too self-conscious to engage with the game on its own terms. 'Murderpets'. What a fucking goof.

>>9499432
the franchise has always had edgy shit, the manga used to be really blatant about it, and in-game there are plenty of dex entries that are brutal

>>9499425
Alternatively, it proves that people want a Pokemon that actually tries to push the formula forward in some way, even if it is rough

Sorry that it isn't HGSS2, but they do want to sell units, you know?

>>9499418
It's not like the games advertised the fact that the Frontier would be absent, anon. Most people played it and then found out the hard way.

>>9499445
In what ways to SV push the formula forward? Sun and Moon tried to push the formula forward. Arceus tried to push the formula forward. What did SV do that was so revolutionary?

>>9498941
Didn't like Emerald then, don't like it now
One of the most unnecessary third versions imo

>>9499446
Simultaneous online play in a shared world
Open-ended design where any gym can be challenged in any order

>>9499446
They literally took it off the map.

>>9499460
They literally put clouds over where the frontier would be. Of the relatively few people who would even see this map, they thought it was going to be an unlockable post-game thing. If you were on /vp/ during the speculation for the game, you'd have seen that.

>>9499490
Yeah exactly, that's the kind of mental gymnastics those insane people tried to pull. They'd have no reason to hide it, why the fuck would they do that?

>>9496998
I enjoyed FRLG being the same map as the original. They also went out of their way to have post game content with the Sevii Islands which was small but fun. I guess they could've added a little more background on who Mewtwo was and how he was created and perhaps give a little more personality to the Gym leaders but it was a fine remake.
Lets Go Pikachu/Eevee on the other hand, not only is it a 1:1 remake basically, it took away the Sevii Islands, didn't include anything to do after you beat the game. story doesn't even make sense since you don't control Red but Red is still there yet you play his story, nothing really added. I don't know what they were thinking.

>>9499493
People simply chose to believe that over Gamefreak being that fucking lazy to not even bother designing it. The clouds actually are there to obscure something, they're just hiding the shitty Battle Resort where the Maison is.

>>9499495
>I guess they could've added a little more background on who Mewtwo was and how he was created
What more do you need? The essential story is present in the Mansion logs.
>and perhaps give a little more personality to the Gym leaders
They did that with the Fame Checker.

>>9498545
>and were too poor or had a shitty single parent who didn't take you to any 3rd gen events.

>bro you didn't clear your schedule to have your parents travel across state to the one mall that had a Deoxys that had a what are you poor?
nah fuck that we just used action replays. I did have parents who loved me enough to take me to the Mew and Celebi distributions and honestly I wish they didn't. I felt bad dragging them to a mall on a weekend to wait in line for hours just to get a piece of data. Celebi was in fucking six flags and I was 9 or 10 in a park meant for and operated by rowdy teenagers when I was a homebody who just wanted to play Pokemon. I rode some rides to not make my sister feel like she wasted her money for my digital onion.
Anyway, point is its funny how woefully unprepared Nintendo was to handle distribution in countries that weren't as dense as Japan. When XY were getting distros I drove my nephew to a Gamestop 5 minutes away and had a total boomer moment where I talked about waiting in line for hours to get a mew,he wasn't impressed but jokes on him I have my certificate of authenticity.

If I have no nostalgia for gen 1, do FRLG provide a better Kanto experience than RBY?

>>9500079
eh, it doesn't make much difference either way

>>9500079
Yes.

>>9500079
Yes

>>9500080
Pic.

>>9498941
Shut up Emerald nigger, there's a reason your game sold only a fraction of what RS did

>>9500182
And that is...

>>9500184
Because it's the laziest third version ever produced, carried solely by the fact that Ruby and Sapphire were already terrific games
>Whoa! Mirage Tower and Altering Cave? That's some exquisite content!!
>Fuck yeah, they got rid of Surskit, Meditite, Zangoose, Roselia, and Lunatone, now there's more room for Hoothoot and Spinarak!
>Dude what if we gave the player a level 70 Rayquaza right before the Elite Four??
>HOLY SHIT THE BATTLE PIKE IS SO MUCH FUN, I LOVED RNG ATOP RNG ATOP RNG

>>9500198
Are those REALLY your reasons for thinking it's a kusoge?

>>9500210
Kusoge, no
Drastically overrated, yes
Bullshit that RS are treated like shit and Emerald is lauded, yes

>>9500079
Nope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdJQopRuH1E
https://youtu.be/SE4sz2lnTpU?t=9

DO
NOT
EVER
PLAY
A
REMAKE
BEFORE
THE
ORIGINAL

>>9500241
Time for your meds, old man.

>>9500212
RS aren't really treated like shit, they're just viewed as not as good as Emerald, but still viewed positively. If you want an example of a game pair that actually is viewed like shit while the third version is lauded, look no further than D/P compared to Platinum.

>>9500198
>I LOVED RNG ATOP RNG ATOP RNG
....it's a pokemon game

>>9500182
>there's a reason your game sold only a fraction of what RS did
That's just what always happens.

>>9500182
Because most people who were interested in 3rd gen pokémon didn't feel that it was worth it to buy the same game again? They stopped doing special third versions altogether with 4th gen, even if there's fans who appreciate the an updated and polished version with a bunch of bonuses and stuff, they make up a minority of the customer base, so it was probably only modestly profitable (GameFreak growing allergic to effort is another factor).
None of that disproves the notion that Emerald is an upgraded and superior version, if you didn't have any of the games and you were weighing which of the three versions you wanted to get, there's outright nothing that Ruby or Sapphire offer you which Emerald doesn't, but more.

>>9500347
>RS aren't really treated like shit
Sure they are, look at this thread

>>9500401
>there's outright nothing that Ruby or Sapphire offer you which Emerald doesn't
Hoenn Pokemon and less filler content that was only put in to try to justify selling the same game again

>>9497008
>>9497703
>>9497953
>>9498620
>>9498829
This. Gen 3 was soulless trash and the beginning of the end for the pokemon franchise. It's been steadily downhill ever since. No amount of zoomer cope and seething will change that.

>>9499441
Yet it was gen 3 that snuffed that aspect of pokemon for good by making everything overly cutesy in order to appeal to the female demographic more. Thanks for proving my point.

>>9496654
I can't only pick one
I prefer hoenn but I like Kanto pokemon more, you can catch a few johto pokemon in the postgame as well in frlg

>>9500424
>Sure they are, look at this thread
Where have people treated it like shit? I played Ruby and thought it was a solid game, Emerald just added a lot more replayability to it with the Frontier so that's the game I'd rather revisit when going back to Gen 3.

>>9500753
>Where have people treated it like shit?
The opening post and half the ones in this thread

>>9500079
As rough as RBY are to play I think they legitimately hold up better than most old jank RPGs purely because of all the exploits and glitches you can do to break the game. They're very glitchy games but all in a fun way. If you just want to play the games blind and go along for the ride you'd probably be better off playing FRLG, but if you're the type to go "okay that was a fun game, lets look up some glitches and dick around" then you want RBY.

I say this as a Hoennbab that never actually fully played a Gen 1 game until I was like 25 so I think I'm as disconnected from the nostalgia as you are.

>>9499451
>Simplified breeding and EV/IV training
>Can approach gyms in any order
>Multiple stories instead of one
>Middle ground between infinite TMs and being given more(just craft them)
>Hold items that alter the meta game a lot(not just shit like choice specs/focus band)
>Changed tons of meta pvp moves thus altering the flow of pvp entirely
>Challenging raid system that rewards people that carefully raised a pokemon
Theres more but this isnt retro but you did ask.

S/V IS buggy and has poor performance, but mechanically its the best pokemon game theyve ever done and it shook up the end game like no other title.

>>9500079
I'll be the contrarian here and say no, playing RGBY in tandem with Stadium is the way to go.

Semi related: are Diamond and Pearl worth playing?

How do they compare to Gen 3?

>>9498218
Ok Chris Chan, two more weeks till the dimensional merge too

>>9501003
They're worth it I'd say, but be warned - they are genuinely very slow. Play on emulator.
Otherwise, you're better off just playing Platinum after all.

>>9496654
That's a tough choice. I think I'd have to go with FRLG over Emerald if only because I've replayed it more. It's been a long time since I've played either of these games though, and I liked both of them. I see Emerald as a better version of Ruby or Sapphire, but I also liked Ruby a lot.
This was easily my favorite generation of Pokemon games. I only played gens 1, 3, 4 and 6 though. I'm sure I missed out on some good stuff with GSC, but I at least played SoulSilver.

I should say that I both understand how FRLG seems like a soulless rehash to many people and personally think it's one of the nicest-looking, best-playing games in the series, if that makes sense. I played Red and Yellow before I played FireRed and honestly don't really prefer one version over the other. I think the original games had better music and a handful of better lines of dialogue, but FRLG was pretty great otherwise. I like held items, natures and all the other gen 3 junk and honestly like being able to play Red or Green with that stuff thrown in. I liked the way the Pokedex was presented and how the game gives you a little recap of what you last did whenever you load a save. The Sevii Islands were boring though, and the battle sprites should have been animated like they were in Emerald.

>>9501003
I liked Pearl but not enough to have ever replayed it since it came out. It was a really fun game during that first playthrough though, probably in part because me and my friends were battling and trading Pokemon. I don't remember the world map being quite as good as the ones in gen 3, but liked the story and all the new Pokemon. Some of my favorite Pokemon were introduced in those games now that I think about it. I hear Platinum is better, but I haven't played it.

>>9500991
Stadium is boring, there's no journey to go on, just more battles.

>>9499445
It proves that Nintendo fans will shell out money for any piece of shit that stars their franchise mascots

>>9501120
>implying
Playing through Red, storing some Pokemon and items in Stadium, taking some of them out for Blue, working hard to build a team on the Game Boy so you can overcome the toughest challenges possible is soulful as fuck.

>>9500991
Stadium's music is better than frlg so I agree

>>9500079
Honestly not an easy question to answer. It gets some of it, but there's a lot that the original games do which the remake doesn't, in some ways it's a lot better, but in some ways there's things which it fails to capture or where the original did something better. Playing FR the first time now, I like it a lot, but the original has this sort of "air" to it all which I think is special, maybe that's my nostalgia talking, maybe it's not.

>>9500091
The graphics are more rudimentary, sure, but there's a lot more to it than that.

>>9501241
It's your nostalgia talking.

>>9501241
>>9501319
I mean it's a think, Links Awakening looks way better than the remake

>>9500079
I don't really prefer one over the other. They're both worth playing, but you also won't really miss out on too much if you only have time to play one or the other. They didn't change the story or anything in the remake, just changed the art design and updated the game mechanics a little bit.
I like everything they changed in the remake, but the changes don't really amount to a game that makes the original version obsolete or anything. Those first two gens of Pokemon games are genuinely some of the best games on the Game Boy; they hold up.

>>9497293
Bugsy is a whore

>>9499393
didnt ask

>>9500079
Yes, ignore the boomers. RBY were outdated the day they were released, & nowadays are only worth playing for the ability to fuck around with the glitches.

>>9496654
I wanted to try FRLG, but the fucking music made me close the game.

>>9503203
You're angrily exaggerating, which leads me to believe you're coping

>>9503203
You're angrily exaggerating which leads me to believe you're coping.

>>9496998
Sounds like you just hate remakes. Which is fine, but don't be a retard and pretend that adhering to the source material is a bad thing. If it diverged from everything in the originals then there'd be no point in remaking them over just making new games. Remakes that don't resemble the original are retarded.

>>9500697
>it's da wiminz fault!!!!
retard

>>9497293
Emerald is 100% an upgrade over R/S you have zero reason to care about them over Emerald.

>>9498839
>changes for the worse
There are none. You've imagined them because you were too poor for Emerald as a kid.

Emerald sucks because the champion is Wally instead of Steven

>>9503410
Yeah, it’s actually wanting to appeal to amerilard manchildren

>>9503457
You mean Wallace. Wally was the wussy kid you caught the Ralts for early on, then is almost never seen again but somehow becomes good enough for Victory Road.

>>9500091
Right side has more soul

>>9503836
It also has aged like milk.
The original game is a slow slog, Frozen and Bind are broken and just are the way they are to be a tedious hidrance on the player, Psychic trivializes the game, Dragon has just ONE MOVE that doesn't work, Bug is bad on purpose, Sleep is a literal stunlock to death.

Everyone saying OG RBY are better than FRLG are seriously blinded by either a serious case of nostalgia or just are really into the "Old good, new bad" mentality.

FRLG are a direct objectively better upgrade to the original game in every conceivable way and everything else is just a matter of personal taste (namely the music soundfont which I'm sure is patchable in some way).

The only thing I'll concede to the OG games is the graphic style (mainly for the pokemon sprites which is pretty unique considering they came before the original Sugimori art) and the music soundfont.

>>9501009
Kek

>>9501003
Platinum makes those two irrelevant.

>>9504630
>Frozen and Bind are broken and just are the way they are to be a tedious hidrance on the player, Psychic trivializes the game, Dragon has just ONE MOVE that doesn't work, Bug is bad on purpose, Sleep is a literal stunlock to death.
None of which are issues in single player. You're acting like anybody should care about playing Pokemon competitively on the retro board.

>>9504630
Dragon's move works just fine; it does 40 damage no matter what. It not having STAB for your perfectly optimized 31/31/31/31/31 DV Dragonite to use alongside Agility, Wrap, and Blizzard doesn't mean it doesn't work.

>>9504630
The only thing that really bugs me about going back to RBY is the more limited item management system. I don't mind moves that were created to be annoying being annoying, and I don't like all the bloat stuff they added like abilities and natures and whatever.

>>9506332
>and I don't like all the bloat stuff they added like abilities and natures and whatever
If you ignore it it plays like your dear retro pokemon games. They're not important for single player. You still get the same experience with less tedium and more QoL.
You aren't impressing anyone with how much you love tedium.

>>9506472
What "tedium" is there in the classic games that isn't in the remakes

>>9506530
Inventory management (not having the backpack in sections).
Walking speed (not having a run. Sure you get a bike soon in the game but just for the outside).
Button shortcuts (qol romhacks are godsend for this)
Pokemon boxes.

>>9503414
Nah, Emerald sucks ass and was a slap in the face, even for a third version

Emerald > FrLg purely because the Battle Frontier is one of the hardest challenges in all of the Pokemon games and probably one of the highest in any Nintendo game, and I would even as bold to say one of the hardest things in any RPGs
>>9503414
Ruby/Sapphire have eReader cards that cannot be used in Emerald if you are in to that sort of thing

>>9504630
I've never wanted to replay the original games since GSC came out. They feel quaint and boring. Fresh pain and QOL from FRLG don't make me any more excited.

I am playing Blue Kaizo right now, and that's a lot of fun. The Pokémon have diverse and immediately apparent niches and the lack of stat exp means it's more like a puzzle game and it's easier to swap the team around and try things out.

>>9506660
I always felt like RBY felt like much more cohesive and solid playthroughs than GSC, It just feels like by the end of RBY your Pokemon team is satisfyingly peaking, while by the GSC endgame they still feel premature, it's like they didn't balance the game content to where your Pokemon should be levelling

Also, they just make the HM issue even worse in GSC, which is a real pain in the ass

>>9506595
Ok I'm not gonna say those things aren't convenient, but I'm also not going to say not having them ever bothered me, seems like a real attention span problem to me, how do you play any retro JRPGs with the mindset that these things are serious problems that hinder gameplay?

>>9506472
>If you ignore it it plays like your dear retro pokemon games.
No it doesn't, getting a pokemon with a bad nature and ability just makes it noticeably weaker than the same pokemon from the Gen 1 games.

>>9506595
The ability to run in pokemon games is fucking stupid, it makes getting the bike much less impactful.

>>9506472
I'm not here to impress zoomers, I'm here to talk about video games before the industry went to absolute shit by appealing to zoomers.

>>9496654
I actually preferred Ruby/Sapphire because it at least was something new for its time. It did a lot of cool things and to me really freshened up the series up to that point. The only thing it missed was doing the physical/special split for attacks. That came a gen later. Would have been sweet to see it introduced with R/S/E instead. Was probably the most logical change to ever come to this franchise but by the time it showed up I was already done with Pokemon so I never played past the third gen of games. It was also nice to see those secret bases be a thing even if there was only a few limited locations for it. Was nice you could link up with friends, even have your friends character persist in your world. The fashion shows were also a fun divergence from the main game. Something this series desperately needed instead of just constant battling. Also made lesser mons and attacks not always completely worthless. Just too bad it was never expanded on really to my knowledge. Pokemon should have went out its way to vastly expand on concepts outside the catching and battling but I guess that leaves no room for milking so of course it wasn't happening.

Now as for the GB/GBC era, I actually prefer this era. Especially R/B/Y games. Its just preference and nostalgia admittedly. I also though prefer the look of this era to the later gens. Some gameplay and ideas from later games inserted into these older looking games instead would be perfect to me. One day I'll get around to those fan games or romhacks.

>>9504630
>FRLG are a direct objectively better upgrade to the original game in every conceivable way

>Beginning of charizard pandering. Oh tough time with Brock? Here's metal claw for all your hard efforts
>Special attack/defense split fuck over Kanto mons. Gyarados for example not nearly as useful/overpowered as it originally was
>90% of abilities are fucking useless or straight up redundant on Kanto mons, seriously look at it for yourself, it's either accuracy can't be reduced or this mon can't be flinched
>Berries? here you go. Oh you wanted to actually plant them? Fuck you.
>Move pools still fucking suck because lolnobreeding
>Nature's fucking suck because lolnobreeding
>Trade restrictions out the ass because you will use ONLY THE ORIGINAL 151 AND LIKE IT for the 4th time now and only untill you 100% the game can you trade to different games
>Lol sevi islands
>no animated sprites

>>9509436
>Beginning of charizard pandering
Still bulbasaur is better in FRLG

>>9506598
>no argument
It's okay to admit you were poor growing up. Nobody will judge you.

>>9509436
>>9509446
Charmander being a super hard pick in R/B is a meme. As soon as it learned Ember, which is almost definitely will by the time you face Brock, it has no problems, since Onix and Geodude have shit-tier Special stat and still take a lot of damage from it despite resisting it. Bulbasaur on the other hand doesn't learn Vine Whip until level 13, necessitating some grinding, and until then it's just stuck with shitty tackle which is a worse move than Charmander's scratch.
Sure, Bulbasaur itself will have an easier time against Misty, but by then you'll have had plenty of opportunity to flesh out your team if you picked Charmander.

>>9509436
>Gives charmander a fighting chance and it's just one that that doesn't made you regret your starter choice
>Balance things
>Doesn't matter, can ignore it
>Not essential
>Inconsecuential
>Doesn't matter, can ignore it
>I agree with this one, it was dumb
>They're cool and a good postgame
>After emerald yeah, it was dumb

A lot of your points were cherrypicking and subjective mate, don't use them to make the game seem worse than it really is. Even if you actually believe them and aren't memeing, the game is still an upgrade and more playable than the original.

>>9509698
>Gives charmander a fighting chance and it's just one that that doesn't made you regret your starter choice
See the post directly above yours. Opinion discarded one sentence in.

Pokemon games are all so piss easy and designed for babies that it's kind of a joke when you guys get all autistic about game mechanics, none of it matters in Pokemon

>>9509698
>after emerald
They came out before emerald

>>9509656
No it isn't. Bulbasaur is easily the best choice. I choose it as a kid. Whenever I talked with someone first thing they would say, "Nobody choose Bulbasaur". After that I would explain I choose him why he was great and so on. Do you have an idea how long does this used to take? People thought I was joking. Do you know how grateful I am people started to realize true potential of Bulbasaur? Apparently in Let's go Pikachu games Red has only Bulbasaur. So Red also chose Bulbasaur.

>>9510275
What I meant with that was it's dumb to release FRLG without animations when Emerald had them.

>>9510454
Emerald was just building off RS's sprites. For better or worse GF insisted on new sprite per game and the FRLG team didn't have time or think to animate the sprites.

>>9500079
No. FRLG sucks and everything they did differently from RB is objectively worse. the music is fucking atrocious. The only improvement they made is giving you a way to re-challenge trainers.
The only reason I can think of to play FRLG is if you are already an RB fan and like the novelty of seeing your Kanto favorites in soulful gen 3 sprite form

>>9510282
People didn't choose Bulbasaur because it evolves into an ugly fat toad with a gay pink flower on its back.

>>9496654
I only played R/S, didn't touch the remakes. I was pretty much checked out of the franchise by this point.

>>9510820
>old good, new bad

I just don't get this irrational hate for FRLG. Tell me the exact reasons that makes this an unplayable kusoge and the worst game ever in history.

>>9496654
tldr I'm buying them all from AliExpress

>>9511370
>>old good, new bad
Consider the board you're posting on.

>>9511531
Liking old games is one games.
Going full caveman irrationally hating new ones just for being new is dumb.
You can like both.

>>9511459
There's a 100% chance they're fake.

>>9511545
>is one games.
Fuck I can't english today. I meant "is one thing" My mind is super disperse today.

>>9511531
Liking old games is one thing.
Going full caveman irrationally hating new ones just for being new is dumb. You can like both.

>>9511459
There's a 100% chance they're fake.

>>9511531
You can enjoy or celebrate things without blindly pounding your head against any sentiment that dares acknowledge that other things can be good or better.

>>9511554
>>9511571
This board might not be so bad about it if /vp/ wasn't so far in the other direction. It seems like /vr/ Pokemon threads attract the fans of earlier gens who are disgruntled by their negative /vp/ experience.

>>9510943
Dude was a beast in Gen 1 if you abuse the Toxic + Leech Seed glitch. You get them going in unison, and both of their damage will double every turn.

>>9496654
Emerald has Moemon, but FireRed/LeafGreen has IronMON

I'm not a diddler, so the decision is obvious.

>>9510282
I always found Squirtle was the best choice, I only pick Squirtle, and because of this in subsequent games I always chose the water starter in tribute.

I still say to this day the only good gen III games are the GameCube spin off titles

>>9498454
Bullshit, fucking nintnedrone. People have reverse engineered a way to transfer Pokémon from gen 1/2 to gen 3. If these guys can hack together a solution, then Nintendo could have figured it out way easier, they also could have not made the change so drastic. I honestly don’t think it was to sell frlg copies, I sincerely think it’s because the Pokémon company just sucks that much at coding and are to proud to ask Nintendo for help. It would have been a lot better for Pokémon during that era if they just swallowed their pride and made the fucking link cable
https://hackaday.com/tag/game-boy-link-cable/

>>9498545
Just set up my r4 card with twilight menu or whatever. Got all the Pokémon working too, I was going to install paged but got sidetracked. What’s this about event Pokémon?

>>9512251
> I was going to install paged but got sidetracked.
Pkhex*

>>9511954
My current Venusauer in red.

>>9511954
Current venusaur

>>9511370
>old good, new bad

Both of these games are old.

>>9499530
Not everyone lives in the rural midwest anon some of us were within spitting distance of civilization

>>9512251
The Gen 3 events are literal gameboy advanced carts. You can buy them on ebay for pretty cheap but the roms are dumped and with windows 10 or 7 you can flash an microsd/R4 with the event and use your DS lite or OG DS as a dstribution medium.
Its a little tedious at first. Some firmware or something needs to be flashed to the R4 card and often they're clones. I remember having to go to a bunch of forums and finding dead links thats why I advertised free tech support.

>>9510270
It’s people who play for fun and atmosphere vs smogoncels who are obsessed with EV training and minmaxing to chase some stupid meta in what is literally a children’s game.

>>9511786
I’ve literally never been to /vp/ along with many other people here. Gen One + Two chads live rent free in /vp/edos heads while we just see them as furry coomers with a containment board because they got kicked off of /v/.

>>9512105
Squirtle IS the best choice

>>9512282

>>9510943
I remember the one dude who picked Bulbasaur was a fat jew who wore a diaper.

>>9512105
Water is consistently the best choice purely because it's the best element aside from steel. Fire and grass are just a joke.

>>9513653
>smogoncels who are obsessed with EV training and minmaxing to chase some stupid meta in what is literally a children’s game.
This literally describes the whole existance of the Radical Red hack.
It's has work not gonna deny that but the author is an insufferable pedantic fuck about "how all of us were playing babby pokemon and it's time to play the real thing now".
Picrel.

>>9514338
>i got something to prove
Goy, I ...

>>9513653
pvp autism is literally the only fun thing about these games and when the combat actually shines. The rest of the game is just mashing a with some shitty story attached to it

>>9514271
ah, a fellow ratbro

>>9514503
>pvp autism is literally the only fun thing about these games
No. It's not even fun. It's just sad.

I liked both alot but having to catch so many pokemon to access the post game content in firered makes me not want to replay it as often as I do emerald. Which is a shame because I like the elite four rematch in firered more than the steven fight in emerald. Having to have waterfall to fight him is annoying especially when doing a monotype run.

>>9496654
I haven't given a shit about Pokémon since Gold.

>>9515386
Waterfall is BULLSHIT, so is whirlpool

>>9514271
>>9514605
How do I download this mind virus?

>not having physical/special split
garbage

>>9498829
Oldfag here, I played the gen1 when it was released in the original brick GB.

You are the only one in the thread who actually gets it. The first gen created this feel of wonder and mystery, what could be hidden in this Pokemon world, what would come next, etc

Then Nintendo showed us. What came next was nothing, Pokemons and every person in their world is retarded, enjoy your rehashed story for the 52th time, gib moneys.

Only games that tried to break free from that were Pokemon Colosseum (who almost feels like you are playing some old school PSX jrpg) and Arceus with its unique setting and improved catching mechanics.

>>9516828
>Then Nintendo showed us. What came next was nothing, Pokemons and every person in their world is retarded, enjoy your rehashed story for the 52th time, gib moneys.
That's Nintendo games in general, nobody should have been surprised by this. Endlessly rehashing successful titles has always been their business strategy.

>>9515907
yup

>>9497008
>It also introduced those shows
>The fuck is a pokeblok
Dumbasses like you are the reason we're left with the barebones shit we get today.

>>9518186
Gen 1 was barebones and this board is full of people still think it's the peak of the series.

>>9516828
Yeah pretty much, some of us just expected so much more because we loved it so much

>>9517393
DESU as a kid during Gen 1 I didn't even think of Pokemon as a "Nintendo" property, I think I thought Gamefreak was like an independent company like Capcom or something, I distinctly remember being kinda surprised by Pokemon being in Super Smash Bros when it came out

>>9518468
>barebones
it's the most complex and fully featured gameboy game by a mile

>>9518468
For a Game Boy RPG, Pokémon has a lot of depth to its gameplay, if you want to count Gen 2, which can play on a regular Game Boy, it has even more depth.

>>9498829
>It might be cynical of me but what do you get out of Pokemon as an adult if it's not rooted in nostalgia for the fictional world?
The world is interesting and so are the creatures that live within it.

>>9518468
You have your choice of dozens of party members (which are individualized so no two repeats are exactly the same until you've gone through hundreds), there's 165 attacks, a gambling mini-game, three optional dungeons after the eight mandatory ones, over a dozen boss fights including an endgame gauntlet... The lack of breeding and rematches (sans the endgame bosses) sucks and the glitches and imbalances are glaring, but there's a reason the games sold like fucking crazy and it wasn't because they were half-assed.

>>9521057
Gen 1 sold to children who played it because it was a fad. Literally none of them knew or cared about how it stacked up as an RPG. As far as Game Boy RPGs go, Pokemon is completely mogged by Dragon Warrior.

>>9521065
Isn't Dragon Warrior really archaic, boring, and grindy? I'll be honest I've never played it cause anytime I've asked about JRPGs to play I heard bad shit like the above about it

>>9521079
It's the game Pokemon always wished it was, they even copied Toriyama's distinctive artstyle for the characters

>>9496654
I always thought the games after gen 2 looked gay as fuck.

>>9496654
I don't get how anyone can find the main-line games fun at all
They always seem so boring and slow and easy as fuck too

>>9521079
>Isn't Dragon Warrior really archaic, boring, and grindy?
Take out archaic and you're describing a Pokemon game

>>9521264
Pokemon games, hardly grindy at all. I just played Blue to the end and did minimal grinding at all. Really the only time I could see someone needing to grind is if you were adding new Pokemon to your team later game and had to catch them up, which is entirely unnecessary and a personal choice

>anons hate Gen III now

No wonder the series are getting worse. At least, I had some fun with Fire Red trading and battling with friends.

>>9521264
>grindy
If you wanna be completionist, sure, you'll want to grind some, but just doing the gyms and the elite four, it's not very grindy at all.

>>9521261
>I don't get how anyone can find the main-line games fun at all
As opposed to...?

>>9521272
>>9521380
Sure it's not grindy if you're just using your Starters but use weak mons and then boom, it's grind hell

>>9522549
I mean idk, you'd kind of have to go out of your way to have a really shitty team. As long as you know all the weaknesses/strengths you should have no problem training a balanced team just fighting the trainers the game throws at you and some occasional wild Pokemon battles when you catch a new mon, I always play with a team of 6 evenly trained even though you don't need to, it's just only fun for me that way, and I still only ever grinded very minimally, most of my training just comes from trainer battles and actually switching my Pokemon in and out instead of plowing through with one

>>9521294
/vr/ typically hates games after Gen 2, some hate Gen 2 itself and think Gen 1 was the only good one

>>9522549
I just replayed Green. I used Bulbasaur exclusively til Bill, then added a Meowth that I let level up against trainers on 24/25 I'd skipped plus Misty's gym. Next I added a Vulpix after the Rock Tunnel, then after beating Erika I got the Super Rod and caught a Poliwag - at level 15. I had it level up on the way up through Silph Co, got a Lapras (also level 15), and then went down Cycling Road and beat Koga. I got a lvl 32 Magneton in the Power Plant and then went back to Fuchsia, up the eastern routes, finished Silph, the Saffron gyms, and then worked my way through the late-game content. While I will admit that I did not use Repels and fought nearly every wild Pokemon I encountered, at no point did I have to grind to keep my team's average level sufficiently high to handle all threats, all the way to Mewtwo. Closest to it was using the Rare Candies I found once I reached the Elite 4. Most players will not have two level 15 mons join the party halfway through the game, and as such will have to do even less grinding than me unless they try to use the shitmons like the early route fodder in the latter half of the game.

>>9523669
Anon...
I said WEAK mons...

>>9510820

>The only reason I can think of to play FRLG is if you are already an RB fan and like the novelty of seeing your Kanto favorites in soulful gen 3 sprite form

Duh, that's literally the entire reason, bozo. The fuck do you think I'm playing Pokemon for anyway, the depth of the mechanics? The complexities of the combat system? You fucking virgin.

>>9498829

Actually yeah this about sums it up. That's why Gen 1 is still best, whether in R/B or FR/LG form. It still had intrigue, potential, mystery, the call to adventure. After 10 games where it's always the same thing... Yeah, it's not the same.

The thing is nostalgia is obviously a factor too, it's hard to deny- But I don't think that is even a valid criticism of "muh genwunners". I seriously remember being so obsessed with Pokemon when I was like 9 years old that I went to bed at night wishing I would wake up and Pokemon would be real. I think a lot of younger people who started out with gen 3 or 4 just don't realise how huge of a craze Pokemon was back in our day. They don't realise the intensity of the bond we formed with it or how formative it was for us.

It's not just nostalgia, it's like... There's a whole generation of people between the age of like... 28-32, who can all name the original 150 by memory (the same people, incidentally, no matter how much they might deny it, would probably still remember the name of every single Hogwarts professor and be able to recite all the spells etc). It's like, a cornerstone of childhood culture for a whole generation of people, it's not just a videogame you're talking shit about for them.

I remember thinking abilities were the greatest gameplay mechanic added to the series. Made each mon fun and unique and even added to worldbuilding/immersion.

>>9498829
>>9516828
>>9525889
Good posts. I started with gen 1 and while I really liked gen 3, it did backtrack on some stuff. I remember everyone criticizing the lack of day/night.

I liked the save-the-world plot at the time. Felt like it was done better than the later ones, the legendaries are built up and you actually see them damaging the world, and they tie into the “balance with nature and conflict” theme the game has. At the time it was new - at least for pokemon. Then they redid the same story like ten fucking times.

>>9523669
As a kid I called Bulbasaur "Bulbous Whore"