/vr/ - Retro Games

Doa was on psx too right?

-me.
Anyways, Groove On Fight was the best Sega Saturn fighter right next to Astra Superstars.
Censorship aside.

inb4 the retard who spams tekken 3

>>9476624
Anon is right. Saturn DOA is the best version. Even Itagaki agrees. He choose that version to port it to OG Xbox.

last bronx imho

>>9476620
>>9476630
>>9476704
all kuso af

>>9476669
>He choose that version to port it to OG Xbox.
No he didn't. The xbox version was a sega model 2 port.

>>9476704
B A S E D

>>9476716
They are the same version basically, other than the Saturn version removed stuff like background, which also exists in all PS1 ports of fighting games in that generation as well. Also Xbox version runs at 720p

>>9476620
but it was

>>9476630
..me and it was called Tekken3

>>9476620
and it was meant for OP>>9476620

>>9476669
Why is that cover free of logos?

>>9476843
because dead or alive ultimate is the real game (it contains both doa1 and doa2)

>>9476669
>no gay-ass sharpee "HELLO, /VR/" anecdote
Low energy

>>9476850
They should have saved Ultimate for last version on 5. They don't have the right to sully its name like that. Also you are missing Paradise.

>>9476850
So all the doa after 3 have dlc, right?
Is there any disc or cart version that has all the dlc?

>>9476910
Nope. 5 has like $800 worth of DLC, Koei Tecmo always price gouges on DLC. 4 never had DLC, though, 3 did, but it's free on the Ultimate 2 disc.

best DOA1 version is DOA++ (arcade)

>>9476620
PSX version has Ayane, so the Saturn port can get fucked. If you want to talk about the actual best fighting game on Saturn, Asuka 120% exists, but everyone in this thread are LARPing about playing fighting games and Saturn games.

>>9476958
Also there were licensed costumes that got removed. PC version also is worse than the PS4 version like a lot of pre 2015/2016 Tecmo 8th gen ports.
>>9476964
Saturn has sovl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q43KhNNLdCU
Saturn wins

>>9476716
>The xbox version was a sega model 2 port.
lol no its the saturn version with the saturn assets
model 2 was drastically different

>>9476958
Is 3 really dlc? I don't think it was on the store for downloading. the costumes is just stuff they added latet to other versions because the american release was rushed
And does 4 really don't have dlc?, I remember seeing the backcover mention it

>>9476964
>but everyone in this thread are LARPing about playing fighting games
I only play KoF 98 in real hardware which I bought for that game and Metal Slug alone

>>9476620
Look I love the saturn version a lot myself but maybe not the opener you want for this argument

>>9476654
>inb4 the retard who spams tekken 3
inb4 the retard who seethes at tekken 3

>>9476620
Tekken 3. Seethe, cope, the usual.

>>9477360
PSX DoA:
>worse resolution (512x480 instead of 704x480)
>worse character models
>worse textures (skin texture is missing entirely)
>worse backgrounds
>some music tracks are changed for the worse
>added lighting effects which are cool but barely compensate for other downgrades
>added Ayane and Bass a ninja and a wrestler, while Saturn game already has two ninjas and a wrestler - quality over quantity.
Imo the only DoA game that introduced really good new characters is DoA3. Ayane and Bass alwaya looked mid compared to OG DoA cast.

>>9477567
OP here, I like both

>>9476964
PSX version is 7/10 at best

>>9476704
>last bronx imho

Most of the best 3D fighters on the Saturn came from Sega.

- Virtua Fighter (Launch game/ pack-in game)
- Virtua Fighter Remix (given away as free at times)
- Virtua Fighter 2 (arguably one of the best 3D fighters on the console)
- Virtua Fighter Kids (it's Virtua Fighter 2 with big headed 'kid' characters. The gameplay is different from of the different strike ranges.
- Fighting Vipers - It's a defensive styled game that revolves around body armor. The areas are walled too. You can intentionally break off your armour to move faster.
- Fighters MegaMix - Virtua Fighter 2 characters with partial VF3 moves list, vs Fighting Vipers. With other AM2 guest characters.
- Last Bronx - weapon based fighting game, it also has an anime vibe to it.
- Virtual On : This is a bit more like an arena combat game.

Non Sega 3D Fighters:
- Dead or Alive - Japanese only release
- Final Fight Revenge - This one is also a Japan only release and requires the 4MB RAM cart.
- Battle Arena Toshinden -port of the PS1 game
- Battle Arena Toshinden URA - better than the first one
- D-Xhird - weapon based fighter with enclosed arenas
- Criticom
- Rise 2: Resurrection - sequel to Rise of the Robots. It sucks.
- FIST (Japanese only 3D fighter)


The Saturn's third party line up of 3D fighters is a bit hit or miss. But the first party 3D fighters were generally all good IMO. The Saturn has a much bigger selection of third party 2D fighters. Overall, the Saturn was great for fighting games.

>>9476620
...mes. Tekken 3, Soul Blade, Bloody Roar 2. Checks out.

>>9477726
Was Bloody Roar even a thing? I remember seeing ads in gaming mags but barely anyone actually played it. Seemed like a niche game.

>>9476995
why are the colors worse on xbox?
looks washed out
or like there's a grey filter

>>9478032
first two games were quite loved in europe and south america

>>9478141
Because it is captured from actual console analog output (component probably) while Saturn screenshot is emulated.

>>9476620
man who even gives a shit about 20 year old console wars lmao
both consoles had good fighting games, get over yourselves.

>>9478172
20 year old console wars are fun

>>9478176
If you're a gay man.

For me it's:
>1. Tekken 3
>2. Virtua Fighter 2
>3. Dead or Alive (Saturn)
>4. Tobal 2
>5. Tekken 2

>>9476708
Street Fighter is gay dude

>>9476772
If they removed stuff then it is not the same. You are retarded. Read a dictionary. Have sex

>>9476620
That was also on PS1, idiot. With a metric fuckload of new costumes and extras.

>>9476964
That's because only rubes owned a Saturn in the west with that miserable fucking library.

>>9480332
>That was also on PS1, idiot. With a metric fuckload of new costumes and extras.

the Saturn game is closer to the original Model 2 arcade board
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysXsfFX8dHc&t=357s

The PS1 game is a bit of a PS1 remake of the original DOA. the Playstation DOA did get an arcade release using some sort of Arcade board made by Sony that was basically an advanced PS1: They are two different takes on the same game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH4sSldwo2w&t=84s

>>9476995
>lol no its the saturn version with the saturn assets
>model 2 was drastically different

Itagaki said something like: The Saturn version was his preferred version of the game.

>>9480376
Itagaki was also a known detractor of Sony hardware and vowed to never work on them again when the xbox came out, so that's not exactly an unbiased source of information. Apparently porting DoA 2 to the PS2 was hell.

>>9476620
smash on the n64 was the best fighting game

>>9480432
Smash is a different genre, dummy

>>9476630
groove on fight was censored? or astra? I'm curious how so

>>9480432
>>9480442
This, Smash is a party game.

>>9476829
half of those are bad and zero divide was on the saturn too

>>9480432
smash is not a fighting game, and it requires 0 skills to play unlike vf or tekken

>>9478247
where do you rate soulblade and bloody roar 2?

>>9480618
$500 money match me in smash. No ? Then sit the fuk back down nigga

>>9480689
cope some more or go play a real fighting game

>>9478141
>>9478148
its probably a difference in emulation
both are emulated and xbox has a texture filter
they have the same textures/models

>>9480376
outside of old console wars bias, itagaki probably prefers saturn doa because its a port of the original and not a complete remake.

as a consumer now though you can play the arcade original, and the saturn version is pretty shit compared and still really not that faithful.

>>9476620
Why post a multiplat? Virtual-On, Fighting Vipers, Fighters Megamix, and Virtua Fighter Kids are all more notable than DoA 1 on Saturn. Also, PS1 had Bloody Roar, Street Fighter EX Plus, EX2 Plus, and Ehrgeiz. Just saiyan.

>>9476620
Post the actual good one

>>9480757
Saturn version has more moves. Model 2 DoA is incomplete.

>>9480383
Dreamcast version was so much better

Sexy eyes

>>9476620
Bloody roar and rival schools are good. Rest is shit.

>>9480383
>>9482967
that happened because Sony took an incomplete prototype of the game and published it as the final version. So no wonder they moved to the Xbox instead.

>>9484390
>Sony took an incomplete prototype of the game and published it as the final version.
Source?

>>9484710
I think it was a Tecmo executive who did that.

>>9484710
NTA Here's the actual story: https://www.siliconera.com/tomonobu-itagaki-reveals-how-dead-or-alive-2-was-released-unfinished/

>>9484719
No wonder PS2 port looked like shit

>>9484737
But they released an updated version which didn't fix much. I wonder whether the story is true. Maybe they didn't have the budget for the upgrade.

>>9484748
PS2 hardware was weird. It couldn't do progressive 480p scan (the reason why DoA2 looks better on Dreamcast) but then it suddenly could with Tekken 5 and Gran Turismo 4.

>>9485062
>>>9484748
>PS2 hardware was weird. It couldn't do progressive 480p scan (the reason why DoA2 looks better on Dreamcast) but then it suddenly could with Tekken 5 and Gran Turismo 4.

The DOA2 was developed using NAOMI hardware, which is basically the arcade version of the Dreamcast hardware with more memory, the DC game does look close to the arcade game, with slightly lower resolution textures and a few other differences. But, 480p via VGA, the game was one of the best looking 3D fighters on the DC outside of Soul Calibur. The Dreamcast also got a limited edition version that was released only in Japan, which included the extras found in the PS2 game.

>>9485438

>>9485438
>The Dreamcast also got a limited edition version that was released only in Japan, which included the extras found in the PS2 game.
Why do people still keep spreading this bs around? DoA2 Limited Edition has exactly the same content as regular Japanese Dreamcast version. It only differs in cover and disc artworks.

>>9485451
Yeah I know. I have the limited edition and it doesnt have what the ps2 version has. It has SOME things but not everything

doa2le and doa 2 ps2 are such a strange comparison.
both have stages the other version doesn't.

ps2 still lacks playable bayman and tengu, and vs mode can crash.
random stage in it doesn't cycle to the new stages, but tengu's day level is present even though they removed it from the select.
this is also the version nude kasumi can save as a costume for some reason.

>>9485493
So it does it, or does it not? stop fucking around.

>>9476620
Only 5th gen fighters worth playing today are Smash and Soul Edge

>>9486760
>this is also the version nude kasumi can save as a costume for some reason
What?

>>9486850
Smash is a party game for toddlers, not a fighter.

>>9485062
>It couldn't do progressive 480p scan (the reason why DoA2 looks better on Dreamcast) but then it suddenly could with Tekken 5 and Gran Turismo 4.

It could do 480p, but then you were left with almost no VRAM left. Most programmers at the time expected VRAM to hold both textures and framebuffer, so they went for small framebuffer and crap textures with 4 colors.

Then years later they figured out they can write a code on the coprocessor that textured from system memory (where they had a massive lead), because the vram was so stupid fast that this was actually practical. After that you had 480p games.

>>9487138
There is no such thing as a party game
What kind of retard plays videogames in a party

>>9486760
keep going anon, interesting stuff

>>9476829
Fighters' Impact > Vs.
Also missing the GOAT

>>9480608
Um sweetie, this isn't a exclusives list

>>9489485
is a 3D fighting game?

>>9489485
>Um sweetie