/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9466083
Nostalgia mostly. If you were there you'd get it, but since you weren't, you don't.
This is why allowing zoomers on this board is a mistake. Imagine thinking this is a worthwhile thread to start. Go play fortnite or some shit, zoomie

>>9466089
Don't feed the trolls.

>>9466083
its litteraly the best console of all time you retard
>has vga
>games run at 60fps
>image is crips as hell
>can play ps1 games in hd
>analog triggers
>keyboard and mouse
>only 5 games are bad
>vmu
>servers still active to this day
>has the best rayman 2 version
>has cool peripherals
>you can use the fishing rod controller like a wiimote in some games

ur a faggot who doesn't know the dc library

heres a small list for (you)

>>9466092
Mind your business.

>>9466083
ps1 is shit

>>9466109
When people say "shooters" they mean Halo and Goldeneye not "Radirgy"

>>9466083
so you got btfo in that other Dreamcast thread and had to make this one to cope about it eh?

>>9466109
>>has vga
and?
>>games run at 60fps
>>image is crips as hell
not exclusive to the dreamcast
>>can play ps1 games in hd
you dont know what HD means
>>analog triggers
but no shoulder buttons
>>only 5 games are bad
lol
>>vmu
gimmick
>>servers still active to this day
and?
>>has the best rayman 2 version
yet another ps1 port
>>has cool peripherals
gimmick
>>you can use the fishing rod controller like a wiimote in some games
gimmick

Those exclusive horrors games are known to be terrible, and the others were either ported to newer console or were just plain bad.

>>9466136
>goldeneye
you mean that game that runs at 5fps?
>halo
btfo zoomie.

>>9466083
As someone who never owned/played a Dreamcast as a kid in the 90s, I only started getting into it in the past 2 years as I went on a huge emulation spree during all the lockdowns, I was very impressed with Dreamcast games and how great they look given the timeframe they were released in and how much better so many of them look/play compared to their contemporaries in the marketplace of that time.
so I'm not blinded by nostaliga when it comes ot judging Dreamcast, it's a legitimately impressive console to me as someone who was a hardcore Playstation 1/2 guy during my formative years.

>>9466145
>>games run at 60fps
>>image is crips as hell
>not exclusive to the dreamcast
they were in 1998 tho.
Zoomies will never understand.

>>9466145
very shitty arguments uve got there, have you played the dc in vga btw? it looks amazing.
xbox is the only other console to havea crisp image, when I said hd I was refering to the fact that they look like hd remasters, shoulder buttons are gay,
>lol
nice argument
>gimmick
nice argument
>and
you can play online with a vr console don't act like its nothing
>ps1 port
rayman 2 is better on the dc deal with it
>gimmick 2x

>Those exclusive horrors games are known to be terrible
no, only blue stinger apart from that they are good zoomer, if only you could play them instead of doing retarded threads

>and the others were either ported to newer console or were just plain bad.
like what? does the ps2 have vga? crisp image? analog triggers? 60fps?

braindead troll who can't even make arguments.
the
sad
state
of
/vr/

>>9466145
>>>games run at 60fps
>>>image is crips as hell
>not exclusive to the dreamcast
In 1999? Ok, zoomer.

>>9466158
>does the ps2
and if you tell me n64/ps1 ports are better you trully are, retarded

>>9466160
It was the first next-gen system at the time, it had the moral obligation of being a capable machine at least.

>>9466170
>being a capable machine at least.
you wanna know the funniest shit?
the others consoles didn't even bothered doing that

Sony had actual games, Nintendo had the bing bing wahoo, Sega had Sonic and... ?

>>9466083
Was an amazing console for its first 12 MONTHS.
Dreamcast died early because it sucks when compared to the PS2 and XBOX.
The console feels more like a gadget than a normal gaming console.
VMU: wtf as SEGA thinking
4 Controller ports: wasted money
GD-ROM: marginal upgrade against CD-ROM. Therefore dated.
Controller: ugly, unappealing and dated. Missing 5 buttons and 1 analog stick. PSX did that in late 1997.
Windows Logo on the front: "are you a video game or a ugly computer?"
Too much arcade games: arcade games does not work outside of the of an arcade store.
Memorable games is Shenmue: literally the nail in the coffin for this console. Like wtf as SEGA thinking to release such boring talking simulator back in 2000. I would rather play the sims.
Hardware architecture and capabilites: completely dated upon the ps2 release.

Released too soon. SEGA screwed up by not being able to predict what was to come in the industry.

>>9466083
SA1 and SA2 are kino in their own ways.

Shadow and Chaos specifically act as parallels to Sonic.

Chaos is the base concept of Sonic, a blue, green-eyed protector of nature who uses the power of the Chaos Emeralds, yet warped into an unrecognizable state. Sonic fights to protect nature from the greed of evil men, while Chaos' reasons for being evil stem entirely from that very same viewpoint. You also have the fact that Sonic in SA1 is powered by the world's hope, while Perfect Chaos is powered by his hatred and his alone. Open Your Heart is basically Sonic talking about how him and Chaos aren't that different from each other.

Shadow is, meanwhile, a more straightforward but still deep parallel. Sonic's entire character is about living free from all restraints and duties. Shadow, meanwhile, is trapped by his own self-thought duty to fulfill Maria's dream, while at the same time merely being used by Gerald to kill everyone. It Doesn't Matter specifies that Sonic doesn't care about the past, while Shadow in SA2 lives almost entirely in it. Sonic knows who he is and never doubts himself, while the latter half of SA2's Dark Story is Shadow coming to terms with the fact that his memories may be fake. Live and Learn by comparison to Open Your Heart is basically Sonic telling Shadow to live life to the fullest and for HIMSELF rather than anyone else.

It also fits in with the "Fake vs Original" theme throughout SA2, where a fake can surpass the original given enough earnest effort.

What went wrong with Sonic after the Dreamcast?

>>9466197
shenmue

>>9466197
Arcade-perfect ports of contemporary fighting games

>>9466083
You weren't there.
You don't know.
You don't understand.

>>9466235
>games
You mean, "a game." Not even a great one either.

>>9466245
MvC
SFA3
MvC2
Soulcalibur
Last Blade 2
CvS
CvS2
SFIII Third Strike
JJBA Heritage for the Future
VF3
Garou MotW
Power Stone
DoA2

BTFO. Hang your ignorant head in shame

>>9466257
>can get ports just as good on the PS2 for most of these games

shitting on the dreamcasts library is total chump shit. it's okay to admit a system has a disproportionately good library vs the number of titles released on it. Are you really going to tell me that arcade games, and arcade style games like Crazy Taxi and ChuChu Rocket are bad? Get out of here son.

>>9466261
>but they won't be arcade perfect
reallity check

>>9466262
Nobody's saying the Dreamcast had exclusively bad games, it just has so few games. 99% of all games are trash and don't hold up over time. 1% of 624 games means the Dreamcast has about 6 worthwhile unique games which will stand the test of time and hold up. PS2 had 4300 games plus another 4100 PSX games, meaning you could have as many as say 90 games worth playing into the future.

It's just a numbers game.

>>9466273
DC lacks an FM synth so there goes "arcade perfect" right there.

>>9466261
Nobody said otherwise, retard

>>9466089
Nostalgia is not the only thing going for retro video games. What a terrible post.

>>9466262
not bad, but they're limited experiences, literally one and done in few hours

>>9466287
one person said sonic shuffle uses that, aslo who defuk cares about that

>>9466083
Welcome to SEGA. Home of overratedness, disappointment and fake difficulty (lack of continues).

>>9466292
Actually, 'jeet, somebody just claimed "arcade perfect" above (it was you lol) but it's not if the system doesn't have FM synthesis which was still popular at that stage.

>>9466298
>who cares about the music and sound
LOL

>>9466308
>fake difficulty
>has never played sega touring car
I find your comment misleading and gay

>>9466313
>LOL
crazy taxi, hydro thunder and others sound gud to me, idk whats ur problem. maybe you should go back to ur [ps1 is da best for cd] thread

>>9466326
Crazy Taxi was like a neutered version of GTA. It's OK but it's not exactly the best thing ever.

I'm not even saying it didn't have fun games. But it's aged like shit. Powerstone is still, IMHO, the only real reason to get a DC.

>>9466083
>less buttons than the ps1 pad
Dreamcast is missing L1, R1 and select but has a d-pad with 4 directions, so that 1 button more. Yeah there's the Dualshock, but that doesn't really count due to it being an optional addon that only Ape Escape really benefits from.

>>9466332
>Crazy Taxi was like a neutered version of GTA
The fuck are you talking about? Crazy Taxi was nothing like GTA. You never played it did you

>>9466332
>Crazy Taxi was like a neutered version of GTA
you really sound like a zoomer you know
>But it's aged like shit.
no it didn't, I play it sometimes, its nice, its fun and the graphics still hold up

>>9466335
Dual shock was useful for many games. Racing games in particular. Yes it was an add on but who didn't buy one or two when it came out?

Better designed controller too, DC had such a shitty feel and the cables were like 4' long or some retarded thing.

>>9466089
He’s wrong, I agree, but stop using Fortnite as an insult: the game is actually fun to play and has clear influences from retro titles.

>>9466332
>Powerstone is still, IMHO, the only real reason to get a DC.
also this, this proves that you don't know shit about the console so btfo

>>9466341
No the point was, it was meant to compete with GTA because the DC didn't have anything like it.

>>9466342
DC had good graphics for the time, I'm not saying it didn't. But as I said above, Crazy Taxi was the DC's "open world driving / crime simulator" meant to scratch the same itch. Which it failed to do.

>>9466345
>Dual shock was useful for many games. Racing games in particular.
do you realise the dc has analog triggers and an analog joystick? which the ps doesn't have? ur comment is retarded

>>9466347

>>9466350
I know more than you, I lived through it. You were teething at the time zoomerino.

>>9466356
>it was meant to compete with GTA
Lmfao what? No the fuck it wasn't. It was a port of an arcade game. Never at any point was it meant to compete with an open-world gangster simulator.
Zoomers, please go the fuck away, or at the very least stop shitting up the board with your re-re garbage.

>>9466359
What? Seriously, stop allowing random basket weavers to influence your opinion. Go actually play it - it’s free and is on everything except Apple products. Game is a blast.

>>9466356
>No the point was, it was meant to compete with GTA
>crazy taxi is an arcade game from the 99s
whats ur age?

>DC didn't have anything like it.
it had runabout
driver2 was also going to be ported to the dc

>>9466356
>Crazy Taxi was the DC's "open world driving / crime simulator" meant to scratch the same itch. Which it failed to do
wtf are you talking about? just play headhunter and shut up zoomer

>>9466332
>>9466356
So was Need for Speed also meant to be a GTA competitor you FUCKING idiot?

>>9466350
He's not far off. Aside from Power Stone, Soulcalibur, and MVC2, most everything good on DC got adequately ported or remastered in the intervening decades.
I mean if you have a nostalgic attachment to the English dub of Shenmue or hearing Offspring and Bad Religion when you play Crazy Taxi then yeah, there are a few more reasons to own a DC. But it's slim pickins for the most part

>>9466360
>I know more than you,
yes I can see that
>powerstone is the most normie dc game there is

>>9466370

>>9466369
>Lmfao what? No the fuck it wasn't
Yes it was, clearly. Open world crime-simulator based around driving. Of course it was gayer, but that's the market Crazy Taxi was aiming for.

>>9466371
I'm 42.

>>9466379
I'm not a zoomer you retard, my good buddy was a Dreamcast nerd at the time and didn't own any other system. It had some fun games but most games don't hold up.

>>9466383
Powerstone wasn't "normie," it was and still is pretty unique as a fighting game. Most people hated it.

>>9466370
>stop allowing random basket weavers to influence your opinion
>allow me to instead!

>>9466347
>has clear influences from retro titles
Such as?

>>9466394
Or just stay ignorant. Not like it matters in the long run

>>9466396
>Open world crime-simulator
Wrong on all counts
Are you trolling, getting CT mixed up with something else, or just genuinely retarded?

>>9466397
>You should play this game to form your own opinion on it.
>Noooo stop influencing me!

>>9466382
idk man, most ports were shit, ps2 had that shitty bad res and blurry image, no analog triggers and no vga, gc same and it had a shitty controller. rayman 2, ecco, hydro thunder, f355 challenge and others had ps2 and gc ports but they all sucked because of these reasons. and the dc did have great titles that are really good and have aged like fine wine, look at rayman 2, txr2, Looney Tunes: Space Race, msr, jet set radio, they all still hold up unlike many ps2 and gc games

>>9466401

>>9466406
>the only way you could possibly not like this game is if you've never played it!
:^)

>>9466227
>le walking simulator
It didn't sell and they're still trying to milk the few remaining fans. While the graphics were great at the time, and the gameplay seemed original, it was hardly different than other games with fixed timelines and NPC activities / schedules which came before it.

You can't even bake bread at the shops or make soup or whatever, Ultima VII beats it in this respect.

>>9466396
i think ur just trolling at this point

>>9466405
No, while it was about making fares the whole police chase / etc. thing was clearly meant to tickle the same funny bone as GTA.

>>9466418
No I just have perspective, the first game I remember playing was Knight Games on the C64.

>>9466410
We'll have to agree to disagree on JSR but I forgot about Rayman. Never played Space Race so idk. Reducing it to Power Stone alone is clearly wrong either way I'll agree

>>9466416
>>le walking simulator
>implying that all games where you walk are walking simulators
this is such a retarded meme and I stopped reading after that

>>9466421
>the whole police chase / etc. thing
Crazy Taxi contains exactly 0 (zero) police chases.

>>9466356
>DC didn't have anything like it.
Dreamcast had GTA2. If you're referring to the 3D games they literally didn't exist at the time.

>>9466332
>>9466356
>>9466396
>>9466421
Dumbass zoomer larping as a 42-year-old
Ignore, do not feed trolls

>>9466424
>We'll have to agree to disagree on JSR
fine but like you said
>Reducing it to Power Stone alone

like that anon did, makes it sound like the n64. like it had no games or somehting, which is wrong

>>9466430
It's literally just a walking simulator.

>>9466435
Yes they did, 3D games were a fixture of home computer as well as consoles by that point. Starfox, Elite, etc.

>>9466438
look found the 'jeet bot

>>9466439
Yeah, that was way off base, it had plenty of dope games. I just don't know of too many that never made it off the system in some reasonably competent form or other
Speaking of which, I played the Shenmue rerelease this year, and that shit is as comfy as ever. You'd think practicing kicks for three hours in a parking lot would suck when someone tells you about it, but it was chill as fuck

>>9466089
This. I never had one but it was the best thing out at the time. Graphics were ridiculous on it.

>>9466446
>It's literally just a walking simulator.
is zelda walking simulator? are beatemups walking simulators?is duke nukem a simulator?

>>9466446
You know I was referring to the 3D GTA games, right? Like, GTA 3 didn't exist until 2 years after Crazy Taxi's release.

>>9466446
>It's literally just a walking simulator
Weird I coulda swore it was a warehouse job simulator

>>9466447
>Shenmue rerelease this year, and that shit is as comfy as ever. You'd think practicing kicks for three hours in a parking lot would suck when someone tells you about it, but it was chill as fuck
based shenmue enjoyer
https://youtu.be/7Xq-q30Y-IE

>>9466382
I liked Wacky Races too. That was just so much fun. Plus I'm old enough to have seen the HB cartoons it was based upon.

>>9466449
>is duke nukem a simulator
Sure is. It's a "be the coolest dude who ever lived" simulator

>>9466458
Lol that motherfucking Santa. Real ones know

>>9466459
forgot about that one

>>9466453
It's the same thing as GTA2 but in 3d. All variations of the classic Apple ][ game Car Wars.

It has VNs and SOVL
what more could you need?

>>9466454
The mini game aspect was good. It's a good game, the shitty thing was the lack of follow through. They should have had 2 for sale 6 months after 1.

>>9466446
>Yes they did, 3D games were a fixture of home computer as well as consoles by that point
He meant the 3D GTA games didn't exist yet, tard

>>9466471
how about games that dont require me to learn an impossible language?

>>9466089
I was there and no one still cared beyond the massive release date because everyone realized shortly there after that, oh wait holy shit sega doesnt make consoles anymore specifically because of the Dreamcast.. case closed.

>>9466465
Probably the best multi player racing game of all time, made Mario Kart and its successors look like amateur hour with bing bing wahoo characters to draw you in.

Wacky Races was just solid fun.

>>9466449
>is zelda walking simulator?
I grew up with computers, it was outdated when it came out. The only reason it was successful is because of poorfags who didn't have a computer to play the Ultima games and Sword of Kadash etc.

>>9466478
You weren't there and your post is weird circular logic that doesn't even make sense

>>9466458
Shenmue was good except for two things. One, they told you they'd release Episode Two promptly. Two, they knew from the get-go that they'd never tell you the whole story and instead would milk it for decades.

Fuck they released a remake of I before they made a new one. Why not use those hundreds of millions or whatever, and go straight for the next episode? Waste of time and money, at that point the only people who cared had already played I.

>>9466484
Huh crazy seeing as how just two years later I was literally a manager at a gamestop. Wild to think you Sega fan boys are still holding onto this shit. If there ever was a video game console war Sega lost it w the Dreamcast primarily because they didn't release another system after.

>>9466464
also this sequence is kino
https://youtu.be/3dC5PLrUIZY
and people who say that shenmue is just a "walkie sim" can suck my dick

>>9466497
It's even crazier since most of my adolescent gaming was on a Genesis 2 console.

>>9466479
I have to check it out

>>9466497
Quit larping, zoomie, nobody is fooled and nobody gives a fuck

>>9466497
They could easily have milked the DC for another 3-4 years, look at Nintedo, the Switch is a fucking 2014 era smart phone. At some point the better graphics aren't worth it and you just need to pick a platform and confine yourself to it. DC would still hold up, they could be releasing games today, but no. The next generation promised 40% better graphics so it's better to throw your customer base into the trash and make PHONE GAMES primarily lol.

>>9466502
Confirmed for not being there. Nobody called it the Genesis 2, and I mean fucking nobody.
Nice try zoomie, maybe you'll get it right next time.

>>9466503
It might seem stupid but it was made for Gen X'ers who had watched the HB cartoons as kids in the '80s. Still it's kino as fuck.

>>9466508
Dreamcast might be able to last until like 2002 or 03 but the minute PC games start coming in 2 discs it's over. It desperately needed the extra storage.

>>9466498
100% agreed, plus, just seeing a night scene reminds me of that dope music that plays during the day-to-night transition.
Fuck, I gotta play Shenmue again soon

>>9466497
> Wild to think you Sega fan boys are still holding onto this shit

this is the /vr/ board sir, and its not shit

> because they didn't release another system after.
they did, it was the xbox, although you'd know about that if you weren't a faggot

>>9466523
https://youtu.be/WdZ3821-k8Y
>I gotta play Shenmue again soon
me too man

>>9466508
thing is people started to get more and more retarded and just wanted ur borring dull fps game and gta clone

>>9466529
Kino as FUCK, I wish we got the whole track in-game but just those opening plucks set the vibe so well

>>9466519
They could have just released the Dreamcast Ultra or DC-DVD or something, with a DVD drive and a newer CPU / GPU combo retaining backwards compatibility like PC users were accustomed to.

Pump up the graphics, but retain compatibility with the library.

>>9466475
CAR WARS

>>9466538
There's no way Sega could afford to pull another 32X so soon after the old one and the Saturn.

>>9466358
>doesn't know the dual shock 2 had all analog, everything except the start and select buttons were analog

>>9466534
people used to say shenmue felt like you were watching a movie, which I think is true, its all very well made, music, details, npcs, and you can feel that it wasn't rushed at all, they really worked hard for it

>>9466547
I know the ps2 buttons are analog I was talking about analog Triggers. do you really think I'm gonna play a racing game with analog buttons instead of analog triggers?

>>9466545
They should have skipped Saturn and gone all in on the DC, they were both concurrently under development at the SAME TIME for YEARS. Or released the Saturn and stuck with it until 2003 or 2004.

You know what changed from PS4 to PS5 and with the Xbox upgrades? Nothing, it's just a PC and the same game will run with slightly fewer effects and shit. There is no reason in the world to buy a PS5 or the new Xbox or whatever. All games come out on both systems still lol.

>>9466475
the only thing remotely close to a gta 3d game back in the day was driver, and it was much better than all the 3d gta games that came after (until gta5)

>>9466554
The L2/R2 triggers are large and very fine, you can remap them in all games of consequence. PS2 solidly wins.

>>9466558
thing is, the guys who made the hardware for the n64 first came to sega and sega said no, now I don't remember if it was soj or soa who declined the offer but I think that was the real first nail in the coffin

>>9466550
The plot was structured more like a movie story than a game story desu, 3 acts and all. Just that you lived Ryo's entire life between the important scenes. If that meant you walked around and asked people shit all day, or spent all your money on gacha capsules, or whatever, so be it.
I hear people say that Yakuza is like a spiritual successor and I see where they're coming from, but it's very much more gamelike than filmlike

>>9466561
>The L2/R2 triggers are large and very fine
are you really comparing analog triggers to analog buttons and saying its fine? thats hellagay.
buttons aren't as precise as triggers

>>9466565
what's weird is we're still using old school '60's era Sutherland graphics but just massively sped up and with fills and textures

blows my fucking mind, ray tracing in real time has been a thing for decades but fuck THAT, it's all gonna be polygons forever

>>9466569
the PS2 shoulder buttons are literally triggers and the 2nd shoulder buttons have a long and fine surface for expression of a large range of analog, you simply drag your finger down to increase the pressure sensitivity

it's brilliant actually, far in advance of anything else in the hand held category

>>9466565
SoJ didn't like the idea because they thought it would be too hard to port their arcade games on the system, and they wanted ports of 2D arcade games like Street Fighter, which wouldn't work all that well with the N64 being hyperfocused on 3D. Kalinske got pissed off and leaked the system to Nintendo.

>>9466578
>the PS2 shoulder buttons are literally triggers and the 2nd shoulder buttons have a long and fine surface for expression of a large range of analog, you simply drag your finger down to increase the pressure sensitivity
>it's brilliant actually, far in advance of anything else in the hand held category

I don't have a ps2 controller with me at the moment but I do recall the shoulders buttons being just buttons, yes analog buttons, but just buttons, compared to the dc controller its like night and day

>>9466567
>The plot was structured more like a movie story than a game story desu
thats why its so based and feels gud

>>9466582
>Kalinske got pissed off and leaked the system to Nintendo
I know he was pissed but thats a bitch move

>>9466584
>I don't have a ps2 controller with me at the moment but I do recall the shoulders buttons being just buttons,
They were bigger than the L1/R1 buttons, and if you pushed them further down, like a lever, they would be touchier. It's based.

>>9466582
also I think 2d games are great, and I'm not saying the saturn was shit, its just that in the 32 bit era people just wanted big, fat, ugly polygones and play around with them. that might've also been another nail in the coffin.

>>9466594
* to wit

Dual Shock 2, probably had a cam on the button which was a lever because the hinge was at the top, which gave the user easy access to any sensitivity curve the developer intended.

It's still the best designed hand controller.

>>9466601
The Saturn was a shit design, it came way too late for what it was supposed to be (basically a Neo Geo), and the 3D was obviously tacked on at the last minute. If they released it in 92 or 93 it probably could have fared a bit better, but they'd need probably need a 97 release for the Dreamcast.

>>9466608
>>It's still the best designed hand controller.
Ergonomically, absolutely not. Wasn't even the best controller of its generation.

>>9466608
meh I still prefer dc triggers, they are better for accaleration and braking

>>9466612
it has nice 3d capablities tho, look at quake or hellslave

>>9466615
>Xbox
Analog triggers are nice but d-pad is shit, original model is oversized and uncomfortable
>Gamecube
Even shittier d-pad, useless C-stick and 4 missing buttons
>Dreamcast
Xbox Duke-tier ergonomics and less buttons than the GC

>>9466612
they were literally taping out saturn and dreamcast at the same time lol

>>9466615
you're just unable to use it properly. you're holding it wrong

>>9466618
it's trash as a controller and as a system even thought specific games are based on it

>>9466624
>Xbox
>original model is oversized and uncomfortable
I get it, it must be difficult going through life with tiny baby hands

>>9466628
tell us about the abilities of the xbox controller

>>9466627
>it's trash as a controller
no its not

>>9466527
Can't argue with someone who literally claims Sega released another system after the Dreamcast.. They didn't by the way and no one bought the Xbox for Sega games, they bought it for Halo, which again... i was there to sell since I was ACTUALLY there during the time lmfao.

>>9466631
Well if you know how to wield it properly, you can kill a full-grown man in one hit. Further, in a pinch it makes an excellent substitute for a dining room table

>>9466083
The Mega Drive is the only good sega shit console. It has lots of good original games
The saturn and dreamcast are port machines

>>9466642
i think a 12' cable is the bare minimum even by the 1990's standards

no console had a controller with a good length cable except the fucking cdi which had wireless

>>9466638
sega gave a bunch of money to microsoft and helped them witht he xbox, hell, if microsoft got into consoles in the first place it was because of the dreamcast. xbox also got shenmue 2 and other sega games, just because you were a retarded teen to busy playing halo back then doesn't mean these things didn't happened

>>9466660
the dreamcast ran windows ce and like 2/3rds of dreamcast games are strict win CE ports which don't differ from PDA games of the time except in screen dimensions. Countless high school dating sims, mah jong, japanese and chinese chess and go games, air traffic simulators, were the same between DC and Win CE but most of those titles were Japan only and made no use of 3D at all.

>>9466197
>Sony had actual movies
FTFY

>>9466582
>Kalinske got pissed off and leaked the system to Nintendo.
LOL what? You can't "leak a system to Nintendo".

When Sega said no, that same graphics company went straight to Nintendo with an offer and Nintendo was very receptive. Nintendo said yes.

The graphics company was pissed off at Sega for leading them on and wasting their time.

>>9466764
Ocarina of Time had more cutscene movie action than MGS 1-3 combined.

>>9466925
I don't get it, why straight up lie about shit? Especially lies that everyone already knows are lies?

>>9466281
Dreamcast having a lot more than 6 good games is what i meant by "disproportionately good". It goes over 6 just on fighting and sports games, and it's a respectably high number once you add segas mostly good 1st party.

>>9466532
international sales outside US / Japan killed video gaming, these last 2 gens are shit because china's literally terrified of skellingtons

>>9466930
It's not a lie though.

>>9466938
Maybe 6-10 good games tops. Ones which will last, which in 20 years people will say "better boot up the dreamcast emulator..."

For the time it was fine. It had good quality games. Some of them are classics imho. But it had such a small number of games and devs didn't want to jump on board because Sega had a bad rep at that point anyhow.

>>9466964
>It's not a lie though.
The MGS games are mostly cutscenes. Not even hyperbole, you legitimately spend more time watching cutscenes or listening to codec calls than playing the game.

>>9466964
>Ones which will last, which in 20 years people will say "better boot up the dreamcast emulator..."

Why are you phrasing this like we don't know which games have lasting appeal? They're all over 20 years old already.

>>9466964
>It's not a lie though.
It definitely is tho lol MGS is known for having an insane amount of cutscenes and OoT was pretty light on them

>>9466145
>you dont know what HD means
Modern "HD" games are vaseline smeared messes, so I think 640x480 can qualify as HD by modern standards.

>>9466083
>less buttons
Do you use a keyboard for everything?>>9466145
>ported to other consoles
Almost all of them were worse.

>>9466083
Its not overrated in anyway. Normies dont even know it exist and there is basically no die hard cult following of it either. Every time a dreamcast thread pops up on vr its always about how it only has ports and no exclusives. Crappy controller and smal vmu storage are real cons but the library is not if you like those types of games

There’s only one console with both crazy taxi and cosmic smash on it. Sorry sonyponys!!

What do guys think about the DreamShell?
is it worth it? it seems much cheaper than GDemu?
is there any catch to this?

>>9466281
>99% of all games are trash and don't hold up over time. 1%
like what? all games I've played seem to hold up, its just that you don't know the library

>>9467390
>Do you use a keyboard for everything?
What the fuck is supposed to mean? Less buttons hurts gameplay and makes certain genres borderline a hassle to play. Why did it have less buttons than the 5 year console it was trying beat!?

>>9467789
It's garbage compared to the GDEMU, trust me, I had both. The DreamShell (you can use RetroDream to run games too) is like 80% compatible and even when using an HD the games dont run well. You'll get audio stutter/delay on most games and the amount of work you have to do (custom bios mod, compatible HD, modwork etc) isnt worth the trouble.

GET THE GDEMU.

>>9466083
>unimpressive library
That's where you're just wrong and retarded. It's one of the only consoles where nearly everything on it is worth looking at. Dreamcast is for people who actually like video games, no wonder a tard like you wouldn't appreciate it.

>>9467789
Dogshit, Crazy Taxi stutters every 5 seconds. Do not use.

>>9467983
>>9467993
Thanks for letting me know, I almost bought it because it was on sale.
so it seems that Gdemus prices have gotten better.
a100 bucks for Gdemu on Aliexpress, is it a good deal?

>>9467992
Tell me what DC games can compete with these.

>>9466083
dumbass segas entire thing was delivering the arcade to the home at a affordable price,if you was big into arcades it was the hot item to have at the time

ps2 won cause it had a dvd player and JRPGs

>>9468058
theres a lot of titles that can compete with these, just look at>>9466109
and other titles that aren't there

>>9466201
>4 Controller ports: wasted money

You're an idiot!

>Controller: ugly, unappealing and dated
No, practically the prototype Xbox controller. Still used today.

>>9467336
I was trying different resolution settings the other day on my computer with a CRT.
CS Source is quite playable at 640x480. Was running at 200hz.

>>9468058
Shenmue 1 and 2
Sega rally 2
Fighting vipers 2
Virtua fighter T3B
Soul calibur
Rival schools 2
Zombie revenge
House of the dead 2
Crazy taxi 2
Marvel vs capcom
Capcom vs snk
Resident evil code veronica
Jet set radio
Dead or alive 2
Sega GT
Ecco the dolphin
Powerstone

>>9466083
>This just has to be one of the most overrated console of all time.
and you say that in a nintendo board?

>>9468058
While some of those games have no replacement on DC, it is possible to create every game on that list on DC.

>>9468183
would add msr and txr 1 and 2

>>9468273
Sure, if you dont mind having 4 GDROM discs and worse graphics.

>>9466083
Dreamcast shits on the 64.
We all know you're a raging 64 fag.

Sega Dreamcast:

•3PS/FPS: Bang! Gunship, Cyber Troopers Virtual On 2, Frame Gride, Gundam Side Story Ashes, Head Hunter, MDK2, Outrigger, Red Dog, Slave Zero, Soldier of Fortune, Unreal Tournament

•Action: Berserk, Draconus, Dynamite Cop, Elemental Gimmick Gear, Heavy Metal Geomatrix, L.O.L lack of love, Maken X, Shenmue 1&2, Soul Reaver, Spawn Demon's Hand, Zombie Revenge

•Fighting: Capcom vs SNK 2, DOA 2, Fighting vipers 2, Force Five, Guilty Gear X, Kenju, KoF XI, MVC2, Power Stone 1&2, Project justice, Soul Calibur, Street Fighter Alpha 3, Virtua Fighter 3

•RPG: Black/Matrix AD, Grandia 2, Skies of Arcadia, Time Stalkers

•Horror: Blue Stinger, Carrier, D2, Dino Crisis, Resident Evil 2/3/CVX

•Vehicle: Crazy Taxy 1&2, Hydro Thunder, Millennium Racer, Re-Volt, Sega GT, Sega Rally 2, Star Wars Racer, Stunt GP, Test Drive 6 & V Rally, Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2, Toy Commander, Toy Racer, Vigilante 8 2nd, Zusar Vasar

•Platform: Evil Twin, Frogger 2, Jet Grind Radio, Ms Pacman Maze Madness, Napple Tale, Rayman 2, Sonic Adventure 1&2, Super Magnetic Neo, Tomb Raider Revelations & Chronicles

•Run 'N Gun/Shmup: Bangai-O, Cannon Spike, Dolphin Blue, Expendable, Border Down, Chaos Field, Charge 'N Blast, Fast Striker, Gunbird 2, Gunlord, Ikaruga, Karous, Last hope, Mars Matrix, Psyvariar 2, Rainbow Cotton, Redux Dark Matters, Shikigami Shiro 2, Sturmwind, Trigger Heart, Trizeal, Under Defeat, Zero Gunner 2

•Other: Chu Chu Rocket, Cosmic Smash, MoHo, Popn music 1-4, Rez, Sega Extreme Sports, Space Channel 5, Tetris 4D, Tony Hawk 2, Virtua Striker 2, Virtua Tennis 1&2, Wetrix, Worms Armageddon

>>9468305
copuim

>>9468312
>its the bulletpoint chad
helo fren

>>9468305
Silent Hill 2 is the only one that would look worse. Most would look the same. Mgs2 would look better having smoother edges and simpler textures instead of aliasing and gritty textures that haven't aged well.

Ffx 8s the only one that would need too many disks because of the pre rendered cut scenes

>>9468183
>Fighting vipers 2
>Virtua fighter T3B
>Soul calibur
>Rival schools 2
>Marvel vs capcom
>Dead or alive 2
>Capcom vs snk
Outdated fighting games.
>Powerstone
Irrelevant party game.
>Zombie revenge
Poor scores.
>House of the dead 2
Only fun with a Lightgun, and the PS2 had tons of those games.
>Crazy taxi 2
Crazy Taxi 3 exists and was ported.
>Resident evil code veronica
Code Veronica X on the PS2 was better.
>Jet set radio
Ported.
>Sega GT
Aint got shit on Gran Turismo.
>Ecco the dolphin
lol

>>9468312
Dreamcast and 64 should live together harmoniously, they're two of the only good consoles ever made.
PS2 can suck turds from my butt.

>>9468314
>>9468320
You Sega fanbois can defend the DC as much as you want, but no one but you believes it was more powerful than the PS2. Even early PS2 titles looked better than anything on the DC.

>>9468338
Dreamcast certainly had better video output and textures.

>>9468338
I didn't say it was more powerfull
>Even early PS2 titles looked better than anything on the DC.
with shit res and no vga? I doubt but sure fine

>>9466645

>>9466083
>"this is a console for gamers"
nobody says this shit except fanboys. like many said the dc is a console with an incomplete library

>>9466237
peak boomer cop out
can’t even say why it’s a good console without getting defensive about the nostalgia

>>9466558
Yup. I used to get hyped for new consoles, now i just don't care. Ps3 was the last exciting system, unless you count the switch. Barely ever touched my ps4. Not buying a ps5.

>>9468338
PS2 has the worst image quality of any console post nes.

>>9466538
I had a different idea. VMU based drm if the piracy was really that bad. Each game could require its own unlock card that you need to use in the slot 2 on your controller. Shouldn't be too expensive. By the time they make fake ones, you just adjust the design a little.

>>9466145
>>has vga
>>games run at 60fps
>>image is crips as hell
>not exclusive to the dreamcast
Not exclusive ultimately, but the DC was years ahead in this regard. N64 was a blurry mess and PS2 had this awful dull color palette and 480i output on everything (except for the maybe dozen games that could do 480p).
It wasn't until the GC and Xbox that crisp, colorful, progressive video output become a standard. By then, the DC was limited to the "It's still getting games !!1!" fan crowd who jerked off on their one-game-a-year.

So yeah, crisp 480p output was definitely a DC thing for many years and the PS2 was very behind in that regard. Of course it also had 20x the games library compared to the DC.

>>9466519
There's nothing wrong with 2 disk games. Tons of ps1 games were multi disk.

>>9468360
Looks great through component on a CRT. Not as good as Dreamcast's VGA because most games run in 480i (480p on PS2 uses a lower color depth anyway and should probably be avoided) but the PS2's video out being terrible is an overstated meme.

>>9466201
>Missing 5 buttons and 1 analog stick. PSX did that in late 1997.

maybe five PSX games used the 2nd analog stick in total, and one of those (Alien Resurrection) was trashed by the media on the horrible mess of a control setup it used with the 2nd analog. Ironically it was the same setup that Halo used later, but back at the time it was still a novelty.
So it was only really missing R1/R2 and Select.

in retrospect, sure the controller was missing buttons, but it was only missing C/Z from the Saturn at the time of its release.
Now a valid criticism would be that piece of shit d-pad.

>>9468365
>Looks great through component on a CRT
It looks like a shimmery flickery mess.

>>9466298
>>9466287
DC sound chip was the same as the Saturn, but with double the channels, no FM ability, and hardware ADPCM compression. Plus more memory and an ARM instead of a 68k.

>>9466382
Wrong.

Bang! Gunship, Frame Gride, Gundam Side Story Ashes, Head Hunter, Outrigger, Red Dog, Slave Zero

Berserk, Draconus, Elemental Gimmick Gear, Heavy Metal Geomatrix, L.O.L lack of love, Maken X, Soul Reaver (best version), Spawn Demon's Hand, Zombie Revenge

Capcom vs SNK 2, DOA 2, Fighting vipers 2, Force Five, Kenju, Power Stone 1&2, Project justice, Soul Calibur 1, Virtua Fighter 3

Black/Matrix AD, Grandia 2, Time Stalkers

Blue Stinger, Carrier, D2, Dino Crisis (best version), Resident Evil 2 (best version)

Hydro Thunder, Millennium Racer, Re-Volt, Sega GT, Sega Rally 2, Star Wars Racer, Stunt GP, Test Drive 6 & V Rally, Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2, Toy Commander, Toy Racer, Vigilante 8 2nd, Zusar Vasar

Evil Twin, Frogger 2 Swampy (best version), Jet Grind Radio, Napple Tale, Rayman 2 (better than ps2 and 3ds versions), Sonic Adventure 1 (GC version is bad), Super Magnetic Neo

Bangai-O, Cannon Spike, Dolphin Blue, Expendable, Border Down, Charge 'N Blast, Fast Striker, Gunbird 2, Karous, Last hope, Mars Matrix, Psyvariar 2, Rainbow Cotton, Redux Dark Matters, Shikigami Shiro 2, Sturmwind, Trigger Heart, Trizeal, Under Defeat, Zero Gunner 2

Chu Chu Rocket, Cosmic Smash, MoHo, Popn music 1-4, Sega Extreme Sports, Space Channel 5, Tetris 4D, Tony Hawk 2, Virtua Striker 2, Virtua Tennis 1&2, Wetrix

>>9468356
Not that anon, but it was revolutionary for the time. You tender le'zoom folk will understand eventually whether you like it or not. Zoom while you can zoom.

>>9468375
what is your point with your long list of shit exclusives and games available on other consoles?
>chu chu train
can’t make this shit up kek

now do the same for gamecube so we can compare and laugh at dreamcast

>>9468370

>>9468364
>There's nothing wrong with 2 disk games.
It's fine for linear and RPG titles but once you start getting into FPS games where most of the disk space is graphics then you get into blurry soup textures worse than 3rd party Gamecube games. Open world games like Vice City would be straight up screwed.

>>9468378
revolutionary at the time doesnt offer much today except historical tidbits. just say you got thick nostalgia glasses and move on. nobody will say anything if you admit to be being biased but when you try to lie to others (and especially to yourself) it becomes a running joke

>>9468338
Very few ps2 games had graphics on the level of FF12 or MGS3. Most honestly looked much closer to dreamcast games, and the extra juice was wasted on aspects that have aged poorly like gritty textures

>>9468379
Those games aren't available unless inferior versions

>>9468381
GTA is a gay nigger game for the dumbest NPC faggots on earth, right along with fifa madden and cawadoodie.

PS2 had almost no FPS

So yes cds will make some games unfeasible buy honestly that's only a minor fraction of the ps2 library. Gamecube disks were only slightly bigger, pretty much a moot point.

>>9468382
So you hate retro games since 99% of them are on ps4, pc, and switch.

Go back to /v/, 3rd world shitskin.

>>9466414
Not him but how can you possibly judge a game if you haven’t played it, retard. Fortnite is not for me but I can completely understand the appeal and hating it for the sake of being edgy is dumb. People don’t realise that hating something just cause of the fan base is just as bad as liking it

>>9466083

>>9468325
>Outdated fighting games.
sure thats why they are still one of the best fighting games of all time
>Irrelevant party game.
sure is way better than any gayrio party game
>Only fun with a Lightgun, and the PS2 had tons of those games.
just because it has tons doesn't mean they are good
>Crazy Taxi 3 exists and was ported.
but he said crazy taxi 2 retard
>Code Veronica X on the PS2 was better.
with shit res and no vga support, I don't call that better
>Ported.
not vr ports, and the dc one is still the best
>Aint got shit on Gran Turismo.
he could've said msr, but sega gt is also nice
>lol
ecco is a pretty cool game

>>9468327
the 64 is a shit console
btfo

>>9468381
>Open world games like Vice City would be straight up screwed.
driver 2 had 2 discs

>>9468382
thing is dc still holds up because of the good res, good performance and vga support unlike the ps2 and gc. you don't need nostalgia glasses to play the games, they look still look good to this day.. stop being a faggy zoomy and go play dc games on vga

>>9468382
thing is dc still holds up because of the good res, good performance and vga support unlike the ps2 and gc. you don't need nostalgia glasses to play the games, they look still look good to this day.. stop being a faggy zoomy and go play dc games on vga to see what I'm talking about

>>9468449
>>9468453
idk why it got posted 2x but at least you get 2 pics

>>9466083
It flopped
So the "underrated gem" crowd wants to fix that

>>9468449

>>9468460
lazy and gay argument

>>9468449
Gamecube games all had good frame rate. The video out was just fine.

>>9468449
im not bashing dreamcast i believe you are having fun on yours but i still believe it’s overrated for the incomplete library it has and would prefer to get a different console for a better experience

>>9468482
no

>>9466160
>1999
Lol silly zoomie. Everyone who cared imported one in 1998. You weren’t there you wouldn’t know

>>9468365
It doesn't look good, it looks >>9468371 also why the fuck does it need CRT to work in the first place. Don't give me CRTs were the standard shit back then. Sony made televisions and LCD was the hot thing back then, they even thought of supporting 1080i.
Also everybody was shitting on PS2 when they announced texture resolution as well. PC owners couldn't believe it had 4mb vram.
>>9468495
It is an overrated console, main issue I have is how terrible PS2 has been for that generation with low res textures and blur. If DC or another console was more successful those game would have looked much.

>>9468434
it was fine
retard

>>9468561
Fuck you

>>9466083
>>9466089
Only thing shit about it is the drive

>>9468564
>it was fine retard

it had bad performance leading to games running at 2 fps, the res was awful compared to the saturn and ps1, the screen is blurry, the sound is shit and the controller is bad, so yeah it was pretty bad


(also it had no games)

>>9468495
>would prefer to get a different console for a better experience
the dc is literally the best console in terms of experience, stop the console warioring and go play rayman 2 on vga

>>9468482
GameCube at 480p was amazing back in the day. Component cable well worth it on our CRT. Still holds up

>>9468634
Only 2 two consoles that hold up are N64 and PS2. N64 was at least during transition era. PS2 doesn't have any excuse, other then Sony being retard.

>>9468634
Only 2 two consoles that don't hold up are N64 and PS2. N64 was at least during transition era. PS2 doesn't have any excuse, other then Sony being retard.

>>9468613
>best experience
how is this possible when shenmue is considered a flag ship title?
>rayman 2
got it on the 64 already

>>9468689
>how is this possible when shenmue is considered a flag ship title?
its funny how you seem to not know the dc library
>rayman on n64
its the worst version you should consider playing the dc one, its the best version of the game

>>9468713
>dc library
racing, fighting and shoot ‘em up games. arcade games are for frustrated and drunk japanese business men and not for me. ps2 and gc had a far superior library, how is this even a question? if you like arcade games or if you prefer the dc for personal reasons like nostalgia nobody will argue, stop trying to act like it had the best library

>>9468730
>those games are all for people with jobs
>not me!
KWAB what a self own.

>>9468761
i go to school like a normal person my age

>>9468730
its not nostalgia, its just good games, get over it, the ps2 is shit, the gc is gay, and go play raman 2 on the dc, do you even own a dreamcast?

>>9468771
whats ur age btw
(I don't care if ur a zoomer, just wana know)

Been enjoying seeing Pajeet-kun sperging out in this thread.

>>9468776
whos the pajeet

>>9468787
i think he’s talking about me but im not he’s just being a racist piece of shit
boomers are racist because of korean vietnam wars

>>9466083
>most overrated console of all time.
I noticed dreamcast fanboys are different. They arent your average sega fans. The dreamcast was their first sega console ever. And they only latched on to it back then because it was so cheap. Its probably snoys in disguise. And yes dreamcast sucked a little. And the games sucked too. Which is why sega could not sell enough games to keep themselves above water. Sad story.

Why did this thread get so many posts?

>terrible controller

That's fair.

>>9468360
Sure buddy, show me a DC game that looks like this. Early title running@60fps btw.

>>9468852
>>terrible controller
I'd rather have analog triggers than 2 analog sticks

>>9466121
Cope, dreamcast is trash compares to ps1 and has no good games. Thank god playstation killed sega, lol u mad sega cucks?

>>9468915
woah nice emulator, now show me the real stuff retard
>show me a DC game that looks like this.
idk, theres no dreamcast game that looks like shit, I mean this

>>9468915
He didn’t mean graphics he said image quality. The ps2’s output is notoriously muddy and gross
The Dreamcast on the other hand has incredibly high quality output through VGA. And composite, S video, and RGB options handily trounce the ps2’s versions of the same connections

Also this is more graphics related but almost all Dreamcast games ran at 480, ps2 games were half that.

>>9468943
dude, the dreamcast runs ps1 games with better graphics.

>>9468815
hahaha

>>9468953
>The ps2’s output is notoriously muddy and gross
stop playing on shitty emulators/LCDs and get a CRT with component inputs

>>9468032
it has its purposes, just not good for running games

>>9468634
480p isn't common on CRT that isn't VGA but component does look really good on them

>>9468972
kek, not him but if you have ever played a real ps2 you'd know how shit the image is compared to the dc, the ps2 falls in the same category as the n64, those two are the worst consoles in terms of image quality and perf

>>9468771
underage b& detected

>>9468915
That's a pre-rendered game. What's impressive about it? Not to mention the actual console's shitty image quality, which is the result of the blur filter used so interlacing isn't visible. Yes, it's visible even on a CRT with blur disabled. That's how shitty interlacing is.
>>9468945
It's not even an emulator, but the HD remaster version. Check the HUD; it's in 16:9. It's a prerendered game, and you can't get that look on PCSX2.
>>9468972
I explained it to you >>9468561 but you couldn't come up with an argument.

>>9468995
>It's not even an emulator, but the HD remaster version. Check the HUD; it's in 16:9. It's a prerendered game, and you can't get that look on PCSX2.
massive kek, ps2fags can't even have honest arguments

>>9469002
I mean I liked PS2 as a kid, but looking back, I was wrong. As another anon said N64 and PS2 are the worst consoles.

>>9468771
unless you're like 12 yrs old (Didn't you already say ITT you were 42?) there is no reason you can't have a job and attend school.
Zoomie shit.

>>9467979
>less buttons hurts gameplay
It's the opposite.

>>9469034
DC's controller was stupid, but they would have released another controller. API has support for more and right stick as well. Arcade sticks don't use triggers but C and Z buttons.

>>9466497
>manager at gamestop
Literally can't stop laughing.

Impossible to explain because you had to be there.
>The 9.9.99 hype build-up
>Showcasing sonic(HOLY SHIT DID YOU SEE THAT WHALE?)
>Arcade games running on what was basically at home arcade hardware
>The online
>Phantasy Star Online
All this shit was mindblowing AT THE THE TIME.

>>9469007
>>9468995
>>9468365
>>9468915
That's due to the unholy combination of VRAM too small to hold a full 480p framebuffer + mipmapping broken + anti-aliasing broken (so instead developers would go batshit with post-processing or downsampling weirdness)

At least on N64 mipmapping and anti-aliasing worked

>>9469104
N64 also gets more leeway because it's a 5th gen console.
None of them knew what they were doing.
Looking at the PS2, PS3 and PSP Sony most likely got lucky with PS1.
btw didn't anti-aliasing hurt N64 more than it helped?

>>9469116
could be turned off by developers, except the scaling of 320x240 to 620x240 when in 240p mode. Arguably the screen filtering done in many PS2 is much worse anyway because it's all cheap software-based solutions.

>>9468983
>>9468972
Ironically the only console in that entire generation which didn't compromise on image quality at all was the Dreamcast. The PowerVR2 also has pretty much perfect 32-bit -> 16-bit framebuffer dithering when that was used.

>>9468983
You're an idiot if you think PS2's output is anywhere near as bad as N64's. Worst picture quality consoles are Genesis, N64 and Wii. There's very little wrong with PS2's component out unless 480i is a deal breaker for you. It's otherwise very clean.

>>9469241
See
>>9469104

>>9469241
>Wii
nah

>>9469241
>Worst picture quality consoles are Genesis
tell me you are a zoomer without telling me you are a zoomer

>>9469290
Genesis composite signal is one of the worst composite signals of all time
>>9469283
It's blurry

>>9469298
lol, OK
I'm sure you are talking about the GC mode to digital output

>>9469298
I play my megadrive on a small sony trinitron using an rf connection and it looks pretty good
>composite
its the worst connection ever, idk why you even bother with that

>>9469315
composite and RF are the same with less noise in composite
wtf are you on mate

>>9469325
then idk why you say its shit, megadrive looks good, maybe you should get a good crt, what crt are you using?

>>9469341
I didn't I'm just telling you composite is RF but better

dreamcast graphics look okay to me
it’s like ps 1.5
biggest problem is the incomplete library people in here talking like it’s high quality hand picked curated shit on the silver platter and cloche but it’s not. dc was discontinued after 2 years so it is incomplete. I understand the appeal is trying to go for lesser known and appreciated consoles but don’t act like the dc had a superior selection of games, nobody believes that shit

>>9469358
>like the dc had a superior selection of games, nobody believes that shit
you need to get into the dc library

>>9469363
i did look into it
that’s why i lost interest in it
I was gonna get the GDEMU and everything
https://youtu.be/E_q52LmeehY
https://youtu.be/92oysjhioBg
i watched these videos over and over again and decided to skip the dc

>>9469394
>us games
dude just get cdr and burn gameshark on it, theres alot of cool eu and jap games

>>9469394
also gaytubers are just redit manchilds, you should not hear them they are just gonna repeat the same games over and over

>>9469315
RF being better than composite? Bro that’s the biggest load of shit I’ve ever fucking heard. Pull your head out of your ass and wipe the shit off your face. Then see if it looks better.

>>9469358
The problem is, PS2 looks worse than DC. It has very low VRAM, which forced devs to use very low-res textures. In FF10, they had to lower the resolution of textures because even for a launch title, they weren't expecting VRAM that low.
Also, given how low the VRAM was, it forced devs to use the interlacing mode, and to combat interlacing, they had to use a very aggressive flicker filter to heavily blur the game. The end result looks worse than DC.
It was obviously the stronger console, but given how terrible the image quality is, I can't say it looks better than DC.

>>9469518
it doesn't look worse at all
why do people keep saying stupid shit like this

>>9469536
Not an argument

>>9469698
it doesn't need an argument
because anyone with eyes can see you're full of shit
DC has a cleaner look to their games if that's what you're talking about
but if you think anything like Kingdom hearts could be on the Dreamcast then you are deluded

n64 with expansion pak looks better than the dc tho

>>9469721
this is just as dumb as this post >>9469518
Why do console warriors keep posting this dumb shit

>>9469041
Only thing stupid was its ergonomics. Arcade sticks, light guns, mouse and keyboard etc covered what the stock pad lacked.

>>9469729

> Ur Stoopid

Great argument

>>9469894
you admit you lost

>>9469936
Just gave technical answers as to why the PS2 has shit image quality and you have no follow up or retort... Nigger

>>9470051
>Just gave technical answers
you repeated some bullshit you heard on some forum

>>9466109
This. Dreamcast is the most STAGGERINGLY sovlful console ever made.

>>9470076
Does that make it any less true?

>>9470105
yes, because the only thing it does lesser is screen resolution

>>9470113
You have no fucking idea what we're talking about do you?

>>9470076
I'm the anon who has written that answer, and what I've written is true. PS2 has different display modes; the reason a lot of them use 480i is, as another anon wrote>>9469104, VRAM is too small to use 480p. That's also why the colors on the PS2 are so shit and textures are to low res. They made the stupidest mistake they could have made while designing it.

You're the guy who posted the HD remaster of Onimusha, right? It's a great game, btw. I would recommend it. Genma Onimusha is even better.
Also yes, Kingdom Hearts is possible on DC.
Again, this is not even about PS2 vs. DC. Any other console than the PS2 would have been much better for that generation.

>>9470512
>textures are to low res
I guarantee you are comparing ports from dreamcast right?
> VRAM is too small to use 480p
480p was almost irrelevant at the time of release but yes, this is the systems biggest flaw
>You're the guy who posted the HD remaster of Onimusha, right?
no
>Also yes, Kingdom Hearts is possible on DC.
LMAO
>Any other console than the PS2 would have been much better for that generation
seriously, console warriors are so fucking delusional it's ridiculous

while the ps2 was stronger than the DC it was outclassed by GC and xbox. Ps2 flaws are to huge to ignore

>>9470517
>I guarantee you are comparing ports from dreamcast right?
No, as I said, they even had to lower textures on FF10, a game that's nearly a launch title.
>480p was almost irrelevant at the time of release but yes, this is the systems biggest flaw
It caused annoying shimmering, just read Ridge Racer 5 and Tekken Tag Tournament reviews. Sony made TVs they weren't clueless that LCD were becoming the main thing.
>>9470525
>Ps2 flaws are to huge to ignore
Unfortunately, that is the issue.

>>9470540
>LCD were becoming the main thing.
>2000-2006
lmao

>>9470546
Who do you think was pushing for it? TV manufacturers, you know like Sony. Are you a zoomer?

Tomb Raider kind of sucks on Dreamcast due to its lack of buttons.

>>9469518
> interlacing mode
On TVs all consoles output as interlaced. Rendering progressive just wastes 50% of your filtrate on lines which will never be seen.

>>9470591
It is seen. Interlacing is the thing that causes shimmering, or lack of anti aliasing as people kept calling it. It's not like other consoles had proper aa, that was interlacing.
Images don't blend together that's why they are using blur to hide it.
That's also why a lot of PS2 games have ghosting.

>>9469437
did I say that? can you read? I know its bad you dumy I was just pointing out that its fine for me

>>9469536
yes it looks worse, stop playing with emulators retard

>>9469721
no it doesn't, just looks like a ps1 or saturn

>>9470606
TVs cannot display progressive images. If you render progressive, then each frame half of the lines you rendered are thrown to the void. Any kind of anti-flicker filter or other blurring nonsense is a developer choice and is equally applicable to any console that is hooked up to a SD tv.

As for ghosting, do you have any examples of games which actually do this. I recall gta3 having something like that, but it could be turned off.

>>9470560
>Tomb Raider kind of sucks on Dreamcast due to its lack of buttons.
no

>>9470656
I have both consoles hooked up with RGB and Component to a CRT
it's not my fault that you're a contrarian

>>9470668
>component
>no scart
>no vga
you are retarded and I'm not a contrarian. also I used to own a ps2 and I know for a fact that it looks like shit compared with the dreamcast

Figured I'd ask in this thread instead of making a new one. Does anyone know if my copy of Sega Bass fishing is broken? Everytime I try to play it manages to get past the SEGA screen but gets stuck on the loading screen. The disc is pretty scratched up and I think the guy who sold it to me tried resurfacing it which I read can fuck up the game.
So any of you guys know if the game is beyond repair then? Should I just return it? All my other games boot up just fine.

>>9470694
you're damn right I'm not playing VGA
pointless for a single console
>component
>no scart
minimal gains and needs workaround cables for light gun
and you are 100% a contrarian

>>9470664
https://www.ign.com/articles/2000/07/01/ps2-aliased-no-more
There is some marketing from Sony but that article is from PS2 launch era. Interlacing is the reason people had issues with jaggies, so it was a problem as soon as it was released. That's the reason devs were forced to add de-flicker filter, people were complaining about how terrible it looked.
EDTV was a thing, even Sony released them, and were releasing LCD. It was the stupid to design console like that.

>>9466109
SEX

>>9470713
>you're damn right I'm not playing VGA
>pointless for a single console
its worth it retard, just play dreamcast in vga

>minimal gains and needs workaround cables for light gun
and you are 100% a contrarian

you don't need work around for lightgun games with scart wtf are you even talking about, what crt do you use? flat screen? the image is much better with scart

>>9470734
forgot to ad webm

>>9470737
that's f355 running on a dreamcast via vga

>>9470734
>>9470737
>>9470739
You really have no idea do you
Show me the difference on PS2 between RGB SCART and component, there is none and to use a light gun with it, you need a breakout cable, with component you just use the sync
No, VGA is not worth it for one console, especially as I have a nice big 28 incher

>>9468325
The cope of this fag is overwhelming

>want to play house of the dead 2 with a guncon or something just as good
>only dreamcast and windows has it
>"gaming" computer broke months ago so i cant buy a sinden light gun

if i had space for the arcade id save up and buy it. its so stupid thats its an exclusive its an iconic game for that era

>>9470751
I'm the anon who's shitting on interlacing. You're right. There isn't much meaningful difference between RGB, component or VGA.

>>9470780
>its an exclusive
The arcade board is pretty much the Dreamcast dude, the only problem is that it has worse light guns
You could always get the Wii version and play it on any TV

>>9470751
>You really have no idea do you
I do, but you don't since you are telling me you never played dc via vga
>Show me the difference on PS2 between RGB SCART and component, there is none and to use a light gun with it, you need a breakout cable, with component you just use the sync
idk for ps2 but for other consoles you don't need to do weird things with the scart cable for lightgun games to work
>No, VGA is not worth it for one console, especially as I have a nice big 28 incher
>thinks crt is better
delusional. btw have you tried playing the dreamcast via vga? If you haven't you can't say its shit or not worth it

>>9470782
>There isn't much meaningful difference between RGB, component or VGA.
sure

>>9470846
I have and it is not worth it, I’d much rather have a big screen CRT than a small monitor, plus you can’t play the 240p games on VGA
>idk
Clearly, the guncons are the most accurate light guns you can use

>>9470860
>big screen CRT than a small monitor
crts are shit, specially big ones, they make the image all blurry and stuff. on the other hand you can buy a big lcd screen and play your dreamcast games in 480p on a massive screen without the image being blurry like on crts

>240p games on VGA
you mean the games that aren't vga compatible? yes you can, you can force them to boot in vga and they look gorgeous
the screen I'm using is a toshiba regza and the image is super sharp and its way better than my 32inch trinitron flat screen

>>9470876
>crts are shit, specially big ones, they make the image all blurry and stuff
that only happens on composite or whatever shitty CRT you're using
CRTs are capable of very crisp pictures if you use that right cables
The DC on a VGA CRT is as perfect as you can get. No shitty LCD scaling/smearing and 2D sprite games look perfect due to linedoubled 240p. I'll give the console that much, it's cheap AND easy to get a good picture quality on it.

>>9471206
>pic
>blurry
kek. and yes dreamcast games look great on an lcd screen
just look>>9468463
irl you can actually see the pixels and small words which in a crt look blurry and shitty

>>9470817
so i did more research based on your post and thank you you're completely right there are some light guns that are completely the same as the arcade version. now my new problem ive found besides actually finding the light guns and dc/saturn is even though my hdtv in the living room takes composite cables it won't work with the game i need an actual crt. you've got me one step closer though thanks again ill keep looking into it

>>9470817
also wii light guns look so bad do you recommend them? ive never had a wii before

>>9468058
>>9466109

>>9471362
>i need an actual crt
then go get one, but curved ones, not flatscreen, because the gun won't work on them

>>9471393
>the typing of the dead
holy based

>>9471403
>no shutokou battle 2
that ain't so based

>>9468058
Skies of Arcadia is more fun than Final Fantasy X

to be honest these collages and lists prove the haters right by showing how much it’s lacking, so stop spamming this shit. can we all agree to the woke opinion that the dc is a cool addon but not a must have over other consoles of the generation?

/thread

>>9471495
yea no it isnt
dont you have a watch battery to change on your dc boomer?

>>9471508
just because you saw some collages doesn't mean its lacking games retard

>>9471514
>dont you have a watch battery to change on your dc boomer?
>thinks the battery is what saves the files
zoomer

>>9471514
wait i dont remember a battery! is this true?

>>9471531
The battery on Dreamcast is on the controller port board
When it does it’ll ask you the time and date every time you boot the console, but it doesn’t really do anything else

>>9471514
FFX sucked, Skies of Arcadia was fun.
Eat a bag of shit.

>>9466356
>Crazy Taxi was the DC's "open world driving / crime simulator"
Crazy Taxi was an arcade port before GTAIII having a 3D world was even known about.
Dreamcast's actual Open world driving/crime simulator was pic related. Also don't fall for the Shenmuetard bait that will try to tell you any open world was because of them.

>>9468058
>Ace Combat
Air Force Delta
>Dark Alliance
Actually can't answer this one, not my kind of game to begin with.
>Devil May Cry
Soul Reaver: Legacy of Kain
>Final Fantasy X
Skies of Arcadia
>GT3
GT2 is superior and is on Bleem. For something super realistic F355 challenge, for something more car collection focused, Metropolis Street Racer.
>GTAIII
Pic Related for the driving aspect, but if you're looking for the full package there's nothing because only Driver 2 was pulling off what GTAIII did beforehand. Metropolis Street Racer again for radio-induced soul though.
>ICO, Silent Hill 2
D2
>Jak and Dakter
Jet Grind Radio
>MGS2
Headhunter

>>9471340
Ok, I'll take some shots of the DC running on my VGA CRT to shut you up for good, please wait.

>>9466083
>Never the console
>Never drew a dime
>Never had a good game period
>Never put anyone over
>Public/dev trust and buyrate already tanked by the Saturn shitshow
>Jannettied by PlayStation 2 even before the system was even announced
>Buried 3dfx during development for no reason
>Needed propietary disc format to beat PS1/N64's storage capacity
>The system's Internet gimmick was cringe
>The system's Windows CE gimmick was cringe and was even targeted by Microsoft haters during the peak of Microsoft antitrust case
>The system's advertisements in Japan (directed by Yasushi Akimoto, the AKB48 guy) was cringe
>The system's Limp Bizkit tie-in in the US was cringe
>The memory card's Tamagotchi gimmick was cringe
>SoJ/SoA keeps politicking each other for no reason during the system's development and life
>An entire accessory got censored in the US for no reason
>The console's logo got censored in Europe because of muh trademark
>Drew so poorly in entirety of console's life that Sega had to leave the console business and sell themselves to pachinko money marks
>Spent the entirety of the system's lifetime buried by superior systems
>The biggest impact it had on the business was exposing the fall of Sega the company never recovered from until the Yakuza series happened.

this is why no one likes sonyfags

>>9471616
Sony and SEGA fanboys are exactly the same

>>9471620
how

>>9471598
>VGA CRT
have you actually played on a big lcd screen?

>>9471630
Yea I did, and here's why it's bad:
-The LCD will take 640x480 and upscale to the panel resolution in a crappy way. It will blur the pixels due to interpolation. This is compounded by the fact the DC outputs 720x480 DTV, so the scaling wont be perfect.
-LCDs have awful motion blur, play any fast game or 2D and you'll see it big time.
-Awful contrast ratios, black colors look grey/blue and it RUINS the look of horrors games.

With a VGA CRT you get none of that, and it's cheap. You can even use the cheap generic VGA cables you see on ebay. It beats even expensive solutions like the DC HDMI and DC Digital.

>>9470517
>lmao
Ps2 couldn't even handle Shenmue.

>>9471770

>>9468325
>outdated fighting games
Howse sf5 and 6 going to you?

>>9471712
>It will blur the pixels due to interpolation
not on my screen
>LCDs have awful motion blur, play any fast game or 2D and you'll see it big time.
>Awful contrast ratios, black colors look grey/blue and it RUINS the look of horrors games.

how shitty is your screen? what screenare you using?

>>9471798
>not on my screen
kek

>>9471778
thats why it got an xbox port

>>9471804
LMAO

>>9471802
>kek
I've been posting pics and videos to show you, and you, you say kek

>>9471806
forgot pic

>>9471807
yes, because your video is subpar, thus kek

>>9471817
>A port from one console to another sucks
amazing observation anon
is this your first time realising that engines aren't always multi purpose?

>>9471818
thx for ur cope, now what lcd screen do you use

>>9471826
>Ps2 couldn't even handle Shenmue.
>LOL.png
>shows the shitty version of splinter cell on ps2
>BUTBUTBUT ENGINES AREN'T ALWAYS MULTI PURPOSE

If ur this guy >>9471778
I say kek

>>9471840
if not discard the greentext

>>9471840
I’m not sure you understand that back then, consoles weren’t just PC’s that could make a game for every console, they had to hire another dev most of the time to make an almost entirely new game
All you’ve shown is a bad port
But I guarantee in the same breath you’ll say that GTA3 would have no problem running on Dreamcast

>>9471864
>GTA3 would have no problem running on Dreamcast
I won't say that because you said
>is this your first time realising that engines aren't always multi purpose?

>>9471864
Dc could run half life so why not gta3,

>>9466109
>best console of all time

no good platformers except for rayman 2

>>9471586
>headhunter

delusional. it's also on ps2 including the sequel

i like it

the DC was in a way the second iteration of the "arcade at home" experiment that started wth the NEO-GEO MVS and the CPS1 Super-Charger.
The problem is that while the NEO-GEO paid for itself by selling the console and games at premium price for adults with well-paid jobs, Sega marketed the DC for the average consumer at the time (kids and teens) and consequently sold at accessible price points, BUT since it was essentially an arcade port machine (It was pracitcally a NAOMI board with less ram) with the VMU gimmick, novelty and interest in the system fell off pretty fast, especially when the PS2 came out in 2000 as the true new 6th gen console experience.
Sega even tried to repurpose it into a regular console by having console-type games in it but it was too late and the controller could not accomodate it, it even tried to compete with PC by having some FPS games and m&kb support but it was too late and a bit pointless (why not just play on PC?).

Headhunter looks and plays better on Dreamcast than the PS2 version.

Every console that has failed has been due to lack of good RPGs. The Playstation would have had sold half as well were it not for FF7 imo. Same reason the N64 failed for the most part, it had Zelda but not many third party RPGs. If the Dreamcast had a Tales of game they would of been good for a little while longer. Maybe even localizing Sakura Wars 3 would of helped.

>>9472869
It's a beautiful console, easily the best-looking one of its generation. I haven't played one since the year 2000 but the experience always kinda stuck with me.

>>9474089
it's absolute SOVL

I wasn’t expecting to see this here

>>9473643
People that weren't around back then don't understand what a big deal arcade ports actually were. Especially games like House of the Dead 2 with a light gun. That was a legitimate system seller. Same with Soul Calibur.

>>9473919
FF7 sold 10m units on a console with an install base of 100m, and with (at the time) possibly the largest marketing budget for a game ever. 1/10th of PS1 owners owned the game. by comparison, super mario 64 sold 11m units on a console with 1/3 as many users as the PS1. even accounting for the fact it was a sometimes a pack in game, you had titles like Goldeneye and MK64 pushing 8-10m. RPGs don't mean jack fucking shit. people care about big name exclusives (regardless of genre) and goy shit like sports games. only slants buy a system for friend simulators.

>>9474421
>he listens to kpop
hello virgin

>>9466145

>>9466201
>>arcade store

>>9466508
The Dreamcast was good enough in specs and could do games people wanted, it did well for the brief time it was supported, but Sega were plain going bankrupt from prior mistakes (32X, Saturn), and repeated failures in their arcade division.

The Dreamcast could probably have made it for all of 6th gen at the least if they cut their losses with arcades as soon as it got rough and then focused on the Dreamcast exclusively, but that was just not gonna happen. It was a good console but there was no money to keep it going.