/vr/ - Retro Games

FFVII

>>9470779
Why ask the question if you don't want the objective answer?

Chrono trigger

paper mario

Xenogears

Tie between FFVI, Phantasy Star IV, and Chrono Trigger

SMT (If > 1 > 2)

Nocturne

Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song.

>>9470779
panzer dragoon saga
>>9470816
shit game for retarded faggots who think referencing freud is deep

>>9470779
Phantasy Star 4

>>9470891
>panzer dragoon saga
based

Xenoblade 1. I prefer HD mods for the wii version as opposed to the more anime style of the latest remaster

>>9470779
ok

Grandia 2

>>9470779
Legend of Mana.

>>9470781
That's equivalent to saying, "I am stupid."

>>9470781
based

>>9470973
yeah very based

>>9470779
Secret of Mana because JRPGs are only good with friends.

>>9470981
Didn't happen in my game.

>>9470779
the one you did when you were 10

Star Ocean 2 and it's not even close

>>9470985
your favorite game is gay and your favorite character gets humped lol

>>9470989
How so?

>>9470992
SHUT UP IT'S NOT GAY AND NEITHER IS CLOUD

>>9470797
>>9470789
This and it's the obvious answer because it's true
>>9470813
Good gameplay and humor but if someone asks for THE JRPG you have to give them a title that actually excels with things most JRPGs try to accomplish. Mario RPGs don't try to have complex themes, characters or story

>>9470994
It's the first one I played

Probably still going with this one which is also the best Tales of
>no random fights
>still balances encounters nicely by making fights hard to avoid sometimes
>fun action combat instead of three niggas in a row
>very compact and amazing pacing
>many quick dungeons with actually fun puzzles and interactivity
>unusually usual protagonist
>great art and soundtrack
>archetypical JRPG story that always motivates you and doesn't pretend to be much more than it is
Perfect package, my only caveat being that it goes for the trite "Christians/angels/religion...BAD" shtick

>>9470832
Aren't you just running through dreadful rooms with dreadful music and collect demon Pokémons? Never got the appeal

>>9471015
Sometimes I forget it's retro now

>>9470970
I got a lot of enjoyment out of it, isn’t that all that matters?

>>9471025
Yeah, it is. FFVII is definitely one of the best.

pokemon hgss

>>9471030
Only at making you cringe

>>9471030
What does it do so much better than most JRPGs? I didn't get the hype back then and I don't get it today, but at least back then I understood people being impressed with the cutscenes and presentation

>>9471015
It’s a good’n. Honestly none of the games posted in this thread have been bad, good work everyone.
I’d like to throw out Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario, and Paper Mario Thosand Year Door. They’re all very fun.

DW4 NES.

Don't @ Me.

>>9470816
Anon, as much as I loved Xenogears to bits when I was young and naive, it's like 60% of the game at best and the rest is reading a transcript of a let's play because another mediocre jrpg sucked out the budget.

>>9470779
Pic related.

>b-b-but it's not TRUE jrpg-
Fuck off.

>>9471153
same. i thought it was the shit growing up when it was released and over the years i play it less and less and can't even finish it because of how little there is and how much reading is imposed on me. it makes me want to put something else in the ps1 everytime.

>>9470779
Chrono Trigger or Phantasy Star IV

>>9470894
Based. Agreed.

>>9471174
I don't mind reading, hell I'll play actual text adventures, but I do mind when half of a game is a proper jRPG with all the features of the genre and half is the protagonist sitting in a chair and telling us about his crazy adventures we won't experience. It's like a cliffhanger with an advertisement for a sequel you know you won't ever get, but the advertisement wastes hours of your time.

Dragon Quest VIII

>>9470992
>>9470985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS7w2XsVv24

>>9470816
Based

>>9471020
It is mostly combat, but combat is fun in the game. That and the atmosphere is pretty great.

>>9470779
Toss up between Chrono Cross and FFVIII

Chrono Trigger

>>9470779
Live A Live, no contest.

>>9471005
>Mario RPGs don't try to have complex themes, characters or story
considering not a single RPG has succeeded in writing a good story, i think not trying at all and going for goofy fun is the only reasonable choice.

>>9470981
Mukki was just getting handsy in the tub. I can tell you've never had a girlfriend. A real man would let a muscle bear give him a backrub in the jacuzzi to save his gf from being raped by a fat old man without even thinking about it

>>9470779
Todd's Adventures in Slime World

Chrono Trigger

>>9470789
What enemy is that green guy supposed to be?

>>9470779
>don't say Trigger
Okay. I'm partial to the Tales sales. Those are high quality games that have a lot of great nice features absent in other jrpgs. So pick whatever you think is the best one out of those, and imo it's near the top of the list.
Let's see. I mean, there's Earthbound. I know I will get flamed for this, it hasn't been cool to talk about for years. But this game is unique and hugely influential. Often imitated, but never duplicated, not even by its sequel which I think is overrated. The way it begins, naming everything, walking around your house and home town, the meteorite and the bee talking to you, is pure magic that very few games can equal.

>>9472704
>Tales sales
*series
I think I may be developing dyslexia from too much computer time

>>9471020
>Never got the appeal
It isn't a game for plebeians

Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4

>>9470779
Devil survivor and i have a soft spot for smt ii

Dragon Quest III

>>9470779
FFVIII
The plot is garbage admitedly, but the gameplay mechanics and the sheer amount of mix and matching that you can do with them is the GOAT

>>9470779
Picrel does everything a JRPG needs to do and does it almost perfectly. It's a work of art.

>>9473290
I love this game. One of my top favorites

This will always be mine.

>>9473290
>>9473895
>had it back in the day, it fucking sucked
Convince me it's actually good and not some in-joke memed by idiots who want to feel superior for their obscure taste.

>>9471003
Cloud is part of Bi culture, sorry

>>9472704
>I know I will get flamed for this, it hasn't been cool to talk about for years
Only by faggot contrarians.

>>9473290
It's great. Didn't quite match the visual level of FF somehow, but it's close, and it's nice how while square was inbetween heavy scifi entries this game out with very beautiful, just slightly dark and unconventional fantasy environments, and a very solid story with good twists and turns without becoming convoluted.

>>9474214
I'm with this guy, only I played the first 10 minutes and forgot the particulars of the emulator I was using and wasn't interested enough to pick it back up.
My experience is extremely limited but I'm compelled to believe that game SUCKS BALLS.
So convince us, fuckwads! RIGHT NOW

>>9470779
legend of dragoon

>>9470779
Star Ocean 2

I think we all know the real answer

>>9475559
when does it get good
alien bitch made me introduce myself to everyone in town and then people talked for a loooooong time about chosen-one-maybe-not and I am losing my patience with the writing

>>9475569
Based and undeniably factual

>>9475570
Good question. I am the same anon. This game doesn't get good on the first run. You end up having to restart because of the decisions you make. This is probably not the best compliment, but you can still beat the game. There is a long intro, so there isn't anything to solve the initial part. First hour is just conversation. But, if you can leave the village and gain a couple levels and then continue.

>>9475569
Never wanted to strangle a woman more in my life than Rinoa.

>>9475569
Alright. This might be the best. But...there are too many things done wrong. The manipulation of the mechanics made the game instant win. Anons will argue that this is part of the appeal, but the scaling needs to be better. This would result in the game being objectively being the best though.

>>9475569
You 8 fags really do live in some kind of bizarro world

>>9474214
>>9474650
I can't convince you out of having terrible taste

>>9471035
based

The best one is "Fast Foward Button" because that's what you have toggled for 90% of a playthrough of your standard JARPIG

>>9476058
Thanks for confirming it's just a retarded meme.

>>9470779
phantasy star iv

>>9471169
Not a fan

>>9470779
Mother 3. /thread

>>9470779
FF8

>>9477096
'Tis cool, the mechanics do take some getting used to.

>>9477139
>/threading his own post
faggot

>>9471005
Chrono Trigger has no complex themes. You fucking single cell organism gtfo with that shit, game was mediocre at best.

>>9475570
Star Ocean 2's opening drags on and once you think it's finally started they drag you back to the first town and throw more exposition at you. I think the beauty of the game, besides the art, soundtrack, and combat, is in the ways you can interact with the game systems. You can steal from every NPC if you want to, or autistically attempt to recruit every character with no talents and then attempt to unlock those talents, including some with a .4 percent chance to unlock when using skills, to get the free 100 skill points each time. You can skip certain private actions and change your party around to make characters have different relationships. But the actual writing? Keep expectations lowered, especially with the original translation.

>>9477584
Imagine being this guy

>>9472704
I played Mother 3 and found it very hard to get through. I didn't find it especially funny, and most moments fell flat to me. I dropped it probably 90-95% of the way through and just never came back because I had no interest. Not to say that it was all bad, there were a few sequences that I thought were very cool, but it was so tedious moment-to-moment that it sapped the fun out of the uniqueness. I don't really enjoy most JRPGs anyway though (OP, Chrono Trigger was an exception).
Anyway, I mention all that to say that your post was nice, and it's made me consider playing Earthbound someday.

A culmination of everything Square learned or pioneered as a graphical and auditory showpiece for brand new state of the art hardware before they started to phase out turn based games as their primary product.
This is their swansong, and in my opinion, the swansong of the genre.
On top of that, it’s one of the most compelling worlds in any video game. Tropical used future is a very unique setting, and as the kids say, kino.
Considering the point of an RPG is to absorb you into the world, this game succeeds with the highest honors.
It’s also a perfect Campbellian Hero’s Journey with a minimal amount of Japanese convoluted insanity in it’s writing which comes to plague the genre permanently.
It succeeds greatly in characterization, casting and character development.
The sphere grid was great and the gameplay is pure classic jarpig goodness, no bullshit.
I was around for FF7 and FFX when they were new. FFX is better and the best JRPG.

>>9470779
Lost Odyssey

>>9477916
Not retro but that’s the last JRPG I ever enjoyed. It’s the secret last final fantasy game.

>>9477853
Basado. FFX haters are low IQ niggers and zoomers that never touched a FF and only seen memes.

its not just the best JRPG, its the only good one

>>9477853
>minimal amount of Japanese convoluted insanity
okay look I love ffx and have since release but fucking pardon me? the story is up there with the most batshit final fantasies

The only way I can see FFX being someones favourite FF is if it was their first. It just felt like such a downgrade after the PS1 games even with the superior graphics.

>>9477772
Thanks bro.
>I dropped it probably 90-95% of the way through
Yeah it happens. For me Mother 3 got more interesting towards the end, mostly, because you start to see how it ties into Earthbound, which serves as a shocker twist. But I felt like the beginning sections take up too much of the game, and the quest for the magic keys or whatever ends up feeling rushed. I also didn't feel as attached to the characters.
Earthbound is more focused and better paced, especially in the first half when you are mostly traveling through and between cities, after which it gets more fantastical. Maybe notwithstanding that you have to grind early game. It's definitely worth trying at least for a few hours, until you get past the big city. Hope you have fun.

>>9477079
Your criticism of the game is very low effort so nobody is motivated to dialogue with you.
Dragoon is just strong in all areas. Its weakest points are its localization, its slower battles on account of performing the additions, and how it's overall on the more generic side. But see, two of those three criticisms are also tied into its strengths.
It's a solid game with some very strong points, and few flaws. But it's okay not to like it as well.

chrono trigger would have been a great game if it had action rpg combat

>>9477929
>Not retro
Nigger it literally came out 15 years ago

>>9477985
I gave it a fair chance and played it during the summer, didn’t have much fun with it.

If I can't say trigger which I would, I'll also not say cross because it would be my number two but same series as trigger.

I gotta say the combined experience of suikoden 1 and 2. It's so good

>>9475569
it's true.

>>9478239
If you could just manually move your characters on the field and the enemies were a little more challenging it would fix most of the problems.

>>9470779

>>9478731
>enemies were a little more challenging
If the combat took any amount of thought or skill, it wouldn't be a JRPG anymore though, would it?

>>9478749
Some older JRPGs have some challenge, especially dungeon crawlers and TRPGs. Plenty of JRPGs you have to worry if you will be able to make it through a dungeon alive with limited resources, although that doesn't apply as often to Square games and Chrono Trigger is one of the easiest Square games.

>>9478768
I said it slightly in jest, but I agree that older games can be bullshit hard. However, I wouldn't consider TRPGs to be "true" JRPGs, just a related genre. Similarly, the limited resource approach (like FF1) doesn't make the combat hard or interesting, it just determines whether or not you need to leave the dungeon at some point or grind up cash for extra potions before you go in. Trying to nail that critical spot of "if I play perfectly and very intelligently, I can just baaarely scrape through this" is so luck dependent as to be irrelevant strategically, it's just all in your head at that point.

It's got to be something a bit more dynamic, instead of a static menu or auto-turners. Chrono trigger does have unique consequences based on enemy positioning, so the best jrpg has got to be something that brings more to the table than just flicking through windows.

FFT is the best I've played

>>9478778
jrpg just means its made in japan. state what you mean instead of using these weasel words like a kotaku blogger.

>>9478803
That's how we use those words here. People don't talk about Pokemon in Fire Emblem threads because it's understood that the discussion is about tactical RPGs, not standard time-based or turn-based party RPGs. It's not my fault you haven't grasped that yet.
Look at this very thread: OP asked for just "JRPG". Go count how many recommendations he got that were tactical RPGs instead of what everyone else conceptualizes the generic "JRPG" term to refer to.

>>9478841
>we

>>9478778
I was under the impression Japanese TRPGs were a subgenre of JRPGs, but JRPG itself is a fairly new and nebulous term.

>>9470781
fpbp

Lufia 2: Rise of the Sinistrals

Wild Arms

>>9474072
Absolutely based. My only gripe with the game (and Suikoden in general) is it's too easy.

Ffv

>>9475569

>>9470781
Off by one

it's VIII

>>9477179
I'm no faggot. I fuck faggots.

>>9480104
>r*ssian pidor immediately outs himself
You can imagine whatever fantasy you like, you won't unfuck your asshole.

>>9470779
Trono Chrigger

>>9480082
Get that crap outta here!

>>9470779
BEST? WHY IF IT IS THE ONE YOU POSTED: DUAL ORB 2
THERE CAN NOT BE A BETTER GAME... UNLESS I AM UNAWARE OF THE EXISTENCE OF ANOTHER GAME WITH MONSTER TRUCKS AND FLYING SNIPER RIFLES?

Final Fantasy VI, Suikoden 2.

>>9478978
Underrated post

>>9478978
The best dungeon ever. The rush of seeing a blue chest.

>>9470891

>>9482545
Spent so much time in the Ancient Cave, I love it. It's basically an entire other game inside the game. Best sidequest ever, and I love the Ancient Cave romhacks people make for other games.

>>9470779
>what's 2+2 and DON'T say 4

>>9470779
tales of symphonia. no tedium, perfect monster encounter system, fun fast paced dungeons, quick action combat
i say this as a christfag too

>>9477929
The Last Story was also amazing and pushes similar buttons. Insane hub atmosphere and character dynamics in such a small package, great combat albeit too easy

>>9481783
FF6 is broken beyond belief. All back row, spam tools blitz swdtech, win repeat. Boring. Good art though

>>9479274
underrated for sure, if it had started on the SNES it would be massive.

>>9470779
Golden Sun: The Lost Age
simply sovl

>>9480082
Whatever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ0uWh2y5O8

>>9483378
>Golden Sun:
No

>>9483896
Excellent taste. The amount of work they put into Neo-Kenya feeling like a real world is ridiculous. Some of my favorite NPC conversations in any game. Figuring out how to find all the animals for the space ark and the way the devs incorporate game mechanics like seasons or even Birdline into the world is really neat. The three different scenarios tying into each other is something you can't really do outside of gaming. It's cool to see an innocuous phrase in Scenario A turn into something horrifying in B. Having the big fakeout with Elisabeth and Neku where you don't even fight them followed by the disturbing actual final bossfight in Scenario A or Dr. Hitler begging you to choose his cloned daughter after murdering your girlfriend's family and grafting her father's enormous black arm on her in Scenario B are unforgettable moments. And the voice acting from Linda, Dr. Emory, and Hume's VAs are top-notch. The whole space ark idea is great. Only real complaint is I wish they'd utilized the four-directional combat a little better. Great game.

>>9475569
It's a toss up between this and Chrono Cross for me
>>9476053
Filtered. Go play cooking mommy

>>9483896
>>9484140
I just read a very brief spoiler-free synopsis of the premise, and I'm extremely interested in checking this out. Is it available in English? What's the best version of it? Seems like they vary in censorship level and content.

>>9470992
Good.

>"Filtered. Go play cooking mommy"

>>9484207
It's not available in English, unfortunately. It's been in fantranslation hell for years but supposedly they're almost done. The Saturn version is the definitive version but they're bringing over the PSX one. I'm a little worried about how they will translate some things, I hope they don't screw it up.

>>9484231
>worried about how they will translate some things
Are you a native speaker? I've never consumed quite enough Japanese media to brush off my books from high school and try to push forward with it. I enjoyed the language, but I didn't go that far with it and it's supposed to be one of the most difficult to learn, if not the hardest, for an English native speaker. Never been sure it's worth the time commitment, seeing as my rudimentary skills were sufficient to enjoy vacationing there.

>>9484284
I'm not a native speaker, I learned to read it by playing old JRPGs and looking up everything and making flashcards. I've just seen some of the screens they've produced so far and I don't like them translating Ken's nickname as "Sir Lates-a-Lot," but maybe the rest is better.

Dragon Quest V

obviously

>>9472353
Mhm.

>>9470781
fpbp

I've never played through a final fantasy game
what's the best one to start with

>>9483053
Was going to say this. Got overlooked because of Xenosaga, but it's fun and looks beautiful.

>>9485825
Tactics Advance.