/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9462060
You posted the wrong pic OP

>>9462062
based

T3 did 3 things right: 1) it was fun, 2) it was accessible, 3) it had good graphics. Devs took the VF formula and made it way more cool. They also understood well that so-called "FGC community" is just a bunch of nerds and most normal people cannot even do a quarter circle motion.
With all that said, if you play T3 today, it's a mess. Half the characters feel useless and/or unfinished. Jin, Ogre, Law and a few others wipe the floor with the rest. Half the people who played it just mashed buttons with Eddie. If you learn the game, you'll realize just how broken it is.

>>9462062
World Heroes was shit and even SNK doesn't pretend otherwise

>>9462068
You forgot to mention that the soundtrack absolutely fucking SLAPS on every single track. People simply watching other people play the game were jammed out and got hyped.

Tekken should have been called "Slug Combat: Better Than Virtua Fighter, Though"

For me it's Bryan Fury.
>>9462060
What a great game op, literally the best of the genre from the fifth gen.

>>9462060

Still the best Tekken. Actually, the only good Tekken:

>best movement
>no walls
>lowest damage juggles
>fewest launchers
>no input lag
>universal 8 frame low jab
>universal low kick is plus on hit
>some characters have 8 frame jabs
>shortest move lists
>least homogenized characters
>no shitty mechanics (staggered lows, quick recovery, homing moves, bound/cockscrew, df low parry, armor moves and all that shit copy pasted from street shitter)
>strangely enough the best roster (despite no bruce and no kazuya)

>>9462193
I kind of think that lack of VF-style ring outs prevent Tekken 3 from being a literal perfect game but that's just me.

>>9462193
>>9462203
king posts

>>9462193
>lowest damage juggles
tons of characters in this game can 80-100% of your life off a single juggle

>best movement
>no walls
these two encourage people to just backdash away from eachother the entire round because comitting to anything opens you up to getting counterhit launched into 80-100% death combo

Also one of the most optimized cd-based fighting games. Almost zero loading times.
How the fuck did they manage to do this?

>>9462203

Good backward movement tends to be self-regulating. Ironically, walls or ring outs are only "needed" when the movement is not good enough, i.e. when one player cannot move backward too much, a finite ring prevents the other player from abusing this and turning the whole game into continuously pushing the first player into the indefinite "wall", so to speak, of his restricted movement. Whereas good backward movement immediately engenders reliable two-time (two beats) counters, voiding the incoming attack with movement and landing a counter or whiff punish, such that moving backward too much is harmful to both players.

>>9462217

KYSG stuff is not representative of the juggle system at all. They show very specific angles, multiple just frames per juggle, big character exclusive juggles, often all in one juggle.

>>9462234
Wild guess: they ported it to only one console and didn't have to spread their dev team for other ports.

>>9462062
You posted this in the previous thread.

OP is still a fag.

>>9462234
It was always designed to be ported.

>Both feel good and responsive, unlike the competition
>Fast paced. 2-3 well placed specials or combos end the match
>No super bars, combo meters or other unnecessary shit
>Home ports sold millions of consoles
I see many similarities indeed

>>9462259
Arcade board has more RAM and doesn't use CDs. I think they used some tricks like redundant data to shorten the CD seek times.

>>9462187
The whole roster is GOAT.

>>9462279
Still not as good as 2's cast.

>>9462068
>Half the characters feel useless and/or unfinished. Jin, Ogre, Law and a few others wipe the floor with the rest.

Sounds like a skill issue

>>9462293
Bryan Fury and Xiaoyu make Tekken 3 cast better.

>>9462060
It was the 3rd. The 2nd coming was Virtua Fighter

>>9462309
>t. doesn't know what Waning Moon is

Wasn't even relevant enough to get a Hollywood movie.

Street fighter and Mortal Kombat did. That says it all.

>>9462343
VF was a unicorn series locked to rather expensive arcade machines and niche consoles. Hardly a worldwide phenomenon that SF2 and T3 were.

>>9462279
Let's see we got
>Kazuya 2
>Jackie Chan
>Tiger Mask
>Paul Phoenix
>Football Player
>White Korean
>Bruce Lee
>Kate Moss
>Predator
>Chun-Li
>Heihachi
>White Girl at Festival
>Bear
>Jack
>Blade Runner
>Wood Man
>Old Man
>Other Fashion Model
>Yoshi
>Cell

>>9462368
Bruh, by 1998 everyone already knew that videogame based movies are trash. Also what's up with mkfags always hiding behind Street Fighter credibility here? Like "mk is the best ever but so is Street Fighter so you can't call me out on my bullshit".

>>9462368
Typical Mortal Kombat fan:
>Only cares about the lore, doesn't care about the gameplay
>Doesn't play actual fighting games
>"b... but mortal kombat is a real fighting game!"
>"i hate fgc anyway"
>"S... SonicFox notice me sempai!"

Typical Tekken enjoyer:
>Sidesteps all the drama and bullshit while Hwoarang theme plays in the background
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzX-LbzWEIw

>>9462060
I agree, more than 30 million piracy copies "sold" or created.

>>9462293
hworang
eddy
xioayou
bryan fury
jin
michelle


it was the best move and it worked

>>9462405
Everyone on earth knows that MK is a ultra casual game that most people play for the single player. Nobody will ever dispute this. This is why it sells 10,000,000 copies every release.

Is the tekken 3 spammer australia-kun, or a brand new /vr/ schizo?

>>9462436
Julia was my first /vr/ crush but her fucking moveset filtered me hard. I couldn't play her whatsoever.

>>9462060
I still have my imported copy. Played it a whole month before my friends got theirs and those were bugged didn't show button prompts in the practice mode fo some reason.

This picture always reminds me about how lucky we were in the 90's, b/vr/os.

Italy loves tekken 3

>>9462370
VF took the arcades by storm. It creates a new genre and was relevant and a worldwide phenomenon. Tekken exist because Namco wanted his piece of the VF cake.

>>9462060
Tekken 3 drew normies in. People who previously would not touch fighting games. Because they lacked the skill and dedication for fighters. Nothing to be proud of.

>>9462520
Why are you so salty about people you perceive to be "normies" having fun?

>>9462519
You will never be a japanese

>>9462531
Because a whole Mortal Kombat fanbase was normies. Them migrating to a different game killed MK in the 90's.

>>9462447
Anyone else remembers the calendar?

>>9462540
So, you're mad MK was abandoned? What?

>>9462060
>Half the characters feel useless and/or unfinished.
kind of like every fighting game ever made

>>9462687
Cool, someone talking to themselves.

>>9462272
There's this interesting Nishitani and Harada interview where they discuss and make parallels between SF2 and Tekken 3 development. They both agree that "feeling good to play" is the most important thing about making a good fighting game
https://jiyunajp.wordpress.com/2017/12/19/akira-nishitani-katsuhiro-harada-interview/

>>9462540
If MK was made to normies than SF was even more because it was much better sold and much more forgotten when Tekken 3 came up.
>>9462652
Abandoned? MK franchise sold much more as a 3D franchise on next generations compared to both SF and Tekken

>>9462764
I have no idea what >>9462540 is on about.

>>9462764
>checks this thread
>checks MK thread
>some schizo spamming about sales in both
Bruh.

>>9462764
Nobody cares how much has shit like deception or armageddon sold. If you do then you are shilling for literal kusoge.

>>9462783
>another who don't bother checking at the post getting the reply.
Normies are the ones who get to buy more games. All games are intended to sell
>>9462787
>Nobody cares how much has shit like deception or armageddon sold.
The devs care

>>9462787
>sold so well that Midway went bankrupt
Something doesn't add up

>The third coming of Street Fighter 2
>Invents online play, characters progression and customization items unlock in 2001

>The third coming of Street Fighter 2
>Invents ranked online play with characters progression and customization items unlocks in 2001

>>9462060
>>9462062
>>9462826
Where is the competitive scene?

>>9462840
Wdym? How old are you?

>>9462062
*blocks your path*

>>9462060
This one and Soul Edge were the golden age of Namco. They proved that console fighting game ports are just as important as the arcade versions, if not more, and ended the era of shitty home ports.

>>9462436
>Be bong water my friend
I needed that ab workout

>>9462749
Tekken 1 and 2 not having input buffering is the funniest shit I've read today.

>>9462956
Too bad Sega wasn't into this mindset. Still waiting for it to be leaked in some form.

>>9462068
>Devs took the VF formula and made it way more cool.
That's Tekken in a nutshell.

>>9463235
>The same bullshit is repeated every time Tekken and VF are mentioned together
I swear nobody here played VF ever because by this moment you all should've realized that they are nothing alike. It's SF and MK level of difference. Literal clones who took VF formula and tried to improve on it exist, like Dead or Alive, Goiken Muyou, Fighter's Destiny and, to a lesser extent, Tobal. Tekken is not one of them.

>>9462068
you're probably right with the 3 things from a casual perspective but i would say the right things were more technical details. 3 is such a huge leap compared to 2 and that's what i would personally put highly more.
i fully agree with the second part. this game is such a mess compared to it's successors. Jin is also way above the 2nd and 3rd place (Ogre and Xiaoyu). A single character dominating can also be a lot of fun if it's a mirror match with the right character (and Jin WAS the perfect character for that) but in long terms it's absolutely not worth it.

>>9462309
>doesn't know the tier list and balancing mess of this game
you're right, you got some skill issues.

>>9462060
Everybody was playing this masterpiece in the late 90s. From stoner burn outs to college frat kids. People watching would g out to the music in the arcade and home. Looking back, it was a fine time.

>>9462840
Tekken 3 has a competitive scene?

>>9462060
Not even close. People recognize Ryu, Chun-Li, Blanka, etc. Nobody recognizes the generic whitebread faggots from any Tekken game

>>9463247
>it's SF and MK level of difference.
that's what I meant though. MK was inspired by SF, Tekken was inspired by VF. it's not a literal clone, but one of the few early fighters that built on it and put their twist on the formula.
>In 1994, Namco acquired developers from longtime competitor Sega, which had recently created the first 3D fighting game with 1993's Virtua Fighter.[4][5]
>Directed by Virtua Fighter designer Seiichi Ishii, Tekken was intended to be a fundamentally similar title, with the addition of detailed textures and twice the frame rate.[3]

>>9462060
Shit's fun. Doesn't that matter?

>>9462506
going back to the psx has been a lot of fun. I underrated it for a while but these games are just a blast to play

>>9464120
Ok, I see your point.
Btw, Tobal was made literally by ex VF and Tekken developers, including programmers, game designers and the music composer.

>>9463764
>People recognize
>Nobody recognizes
Do you always refer to yourself in plural?

As far as greatest 3d fighting games go, it went like VF2 -> Tekken 3 -> VF4 -> VF5.
Though japs really love their VF3.

>>9464457
What a nonsensical response. I can tell you thought this was mighty clever

>>9463764
Gamers recognise these characters, the people you're thinking of don't give a shit.

>>9462161
>soundtrack absolutely fucking SLAPS
Never understood its appeal. Each song is like 5 notes playing ad infimum.

>>9462193
I still enjoy modern Tekken, but you are correct.

>>9464727
All you need sometimes.

>>9462376
I don't know if you're trying to be witty or funny, but you fail at both.

tekken 3 review

>>9464848
NTSC-J version has characters relationships diagram instead.

>>9463247
>I swear nobody here played VF ever because by this moment you all should've realized that they are nothing alike.

Of course they aren't. VF is a fast paced rock-paper-scissor style fighter. Tekken is a juggling simulator.

>>9464720
The people I'm thinking of recognize SF2 characters. If they remember Tekken at all it's as a Playstation game with a tiny dinosaur

>>9463247
The only meaningful difference is that movement isn't complete ass in VF

>>9462293
>Another Tekken 2 contrarian post
Nah. Out of the 3 Tekken games, 3 is the only playable one.

>>9464979
There are 9, sir.

>>9464991
I meant to say "the 3 PS1 games", but it's fucking over now. I can never show my face on this board ever again.

>>9464935
>rock-paper-scissor style fighter
My favorite kind desu. I wish DoA also stayed like this instead of becoming the trash it is now.

>>9464936
>The people I'm thinking of
Your old boomer dad who had "a nintendo" as a kid?

>DualShock bundle
>the game does not support analog controls
What's the point?

GamePro review

>>9465070

>>9465014
It supported the rumble features. It was nonsensical, btw. Namco Arcade Stick was sick and the best way to enjoy the game.

>>9465080
This one? It was amazing. Made by Hori.

>>9463247
This is basically how it goes in these threads.

>>9464979
How is it fucking contrarian to have an opinion that you prefer one roster over the other?

>>9465174
Also, Hori Real Arcade line of sticks started around the same time in Japan. Tekken 3 and VF (for Saturn) themed ones had the minimum number of buttons so the players had actual arcade experience with controls. Commendable autism.

More than 50 million piracy copies "sold"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvtUxEFQaU
let's gets real is thes best thing since street fighter 2

GamePro preview

>>9465284

>>9465235
You're fucking weird, op

Puroresu legend Minoru Suzuki doing motion capture for the game

Gamest Video Vol. 37
https://youtu.be/G9kH3rxxhKk

Edge review 1/4

>>9465427
2/4

>>9465427
3/4

>>9465427
4/4

>>9465174
Yes! I used it so much in that era on multiple console and PC thanks to various adaptors. Now the stick has become very stiff, it need maintenance...

>>9462068
>most normal people cannot even do a quarter circle motion
Thanks, I feel less spastic.

>>9462384
Well you said cultural significance. The only fighting game that approaches the cultural significance lf sf2 is mk

>>9464727
Are you retarded and deaf?
https://youtu.be/E9aG_shwcoc

>>9465002
Nope, just the general populace. I get that you might not be so familiar with that demographic since your fat ass hasn't left the house in over a decade

>>9465445
These sticks were so fucking good after what we had for 16-bit consoles. And arcade-to-home ports quality raised significally during the 5th gen.

>>9465530
>mk
Fuck off to your mk threads, ruzzia-kun

>>9465530
>>9465557
I'll be completely honest and wager more normies know MK and its characters than that of Street Fighter and I'm going to say it's due to the theme song from the movie.

>>9462060
Not even close.

best videogame ever
https://youtu.be/-IOc7L2MvGE
it was a cultural phenomenon

>>9465534
That's literally what I described. You're not very bright, huh?

>>9465862
Lol okay man. Best of luck in your hateful, stupid life.

>>9462520
Dude when this genre was first taking off combos were a glitch they left in for the hell of it thinking nobody would be able to pull it off in a real match. Get off your high horse, casually mashing buttons against your friends for a laugh was absolutely the way the devs intended the majority of the playerbase to engage with these games.

>>9462520
WEBM of you doing chicken reversals in a row?
>>9465802
Heh, how could I forget this thing

>>9462062
Close. Came out the same year but people actually play it.

>>9466927
>pit fighter tier kusoge

>>9462749
Nice read.
As far as I know, Tekken 3 was the first game that managed to outsell SF2 and the only one that did it in the 90s. But sales aside, VF2 was just as important for evolving the genre.

>>9462068
this wasn't apparent to me until I revisited it unblinded by the nostalgia bias. compared to Tekken 5, it's just not a game you want to go back to outside of historical curiosity.

>>9467290
Tekken 5 is just a worse Tekken 7 without online playerbase. Not worth going back to, especially when VF4 exists on the same console.

>>9467357
After Tekken 6, a lot of things changed making Tekken 7 something else. VF4 on PS2 became redundant when Final Tuned exists.

>>9465557
No, he's right. Tekken might be more credible in the FGC but what a niche section of gamers likes has little to do with "cultural significance"

Mortal Kombat was a legit pop culture phenomenon, Tekken never was anything like that. Normies and people who are just into "geek culture" know who Scorpion and Sub Zero are because MK has permeated that space, the only people who know who Kazuya Mishima and Jin Kazama are are fighting game fans.

>>9467364
If you are Japanese, then maybe. Final Tuned never had a home port and most people got to play it only recently with emulation, after they already played VF5.
I think the point of this thread is the industry and genre significance. World Warriors and Champion Edition were way more significant for the fighting games genre than Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo even though both are jank in comparison.

>>9467407
I bet Mortal Kombat theme from the movie has more cultural significance than MK games themselves and people only know the character names because they are literally sampled in it.

>>9467441
I mean that just has to do with the fact that a lot of kids growing up liked that movie, and a lot of kids who liked that movie watched it because they liked Mortal Kombat games. Song is popular cause movie was popular cause games were popular.

>Entire thread of an unending schizo meltdown and another guy posting cool Tekken 3 stuff to make him seethe
Classic /vr/, good stuff

>>9465427
>>9465284
post mexican reviews, please.

>>9467850
Imagine seething about the game that is considered one of the best games ever. He is not filtered, he's just pathetic.

favorite ending?

Xiaoyu

>>9467850
I haven't read the thread but the tekken3 schizo is starting to become annoying, he keeps posting the same shit in every fighting thread, even if tekken is a nice game, it almost seems like a flaseflag thing from a guy who hates tekken 3 and wants people to attack the game because of relation with the annoying schizo. Probably just a regular real schizo and not a mastermind falseflagger though

>>9469417
You are overreacting. We have a MK schizo raging in this and other fighting game threads, including several MK threads on this very board. If you are somehow annoyed by Tekken 3 but choose to ignore MK autist ruining /vr/ then you are rather biased.

Namco candy cab secondary LED display demo
https://youtu.be/CNzr0K4lvrc

>>9469906
Nobody is raging right now but you.

Minoru Suzuki Tekken 3 card. The legend.

it alright
i prefer 2d fighters more

Anna Williams design by Mamoru Nagano, another legend

>>9470086
I like all kinds of fighting games. I am really into Samurai Shodown recently, especially the second one.

EGM beta preview 1/4
Different character selection screen

2/4
Different colors for Nina and Xiaoyu, N64 rumors

3/4

4/4

It's impressive how good this game still looks.

>>9470227
I like how far it pushes rather weak psx hardware. Very impressive in the context.

>>9462060
Street fighter was never good. Tekken 3 is on another level and probably the best fighter ever.

>>9470414
Silly bait, russia-kun. SF and Tekken fan- and playerbases overlap. Go back to your MK threads.

>>9470068
Weird seeing him with Knee and Kickpads.

>>9470450
This is just a typical 1997 Pancrase gear.
I miss that era of MMA. Nowadays everything is done in accordance with UFC rules and everyone fights barefoot.

>>9470061
I will always wonder why they made Yoshimitsu go from "guy with demon mask" to "cyborg ninja with glowing katana". I heard they got the inspiration for his helmet shape here from some ninja movie Namco co-produced in the 80s.

>>9470519
Isn't his T3 helmet just inspired by The Predator? He even has active camo in the intro fmv as an easter egg, probably.

>>9470530
>Isn't his T3 helmet just inspired by The Predator?
Nah. Nope. I forgot the name of the movie, but the character was some kind of future ninja like Yoshimitsu.

>>9470581
Mirai Ninja

>>9470595
THAT'S the one.

>>9465534
This sucks.