/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9444809
depends which story and group of characters you like more. Since, being rpgs both will have very simplistic, easy, and tedious gameplay just meant to slow the player down and create some sort of anticipation for story bits

>>9444809
III is way more popular, even though IV is the better game. Both have too much filler and are too easy but IV has a better combat system and story.

>>9444809
>Why is [arbitrary opinion]?
>[4 other arbitrary opinions]
>[A last opinion involving “soul”]
Nu/vr/ everybody

>>9444809
>>Worse story
Wrong. Bof4's story is rich in it's events and overflowing with buddhist symbolism and it's plot and world all reflect that. 3's plot meanwhile is disjointed, and relies to heavily on reinventing lore from part 1.
>>Lazy world map
3 wasn't exactly a champion in this regard either. 4 may have resorted to dots on a line but it does actually feel bigger when you zoom out.
>>Way worse dragon system
The gene system was overrated and idiotic extra step to an already streamlined process and it only LOOKs complex to dullards distracted by meaningless choices and shiny objects. You don't make your own dragons. There are finite combinations. There is no difference between picking Fire+dragon or just choosing a fire dragon. All you've added was an extra step.
>>Worse soundtrack
You are def. IV's soundtrack has way more style and variety. III's is good but it's at best functional.
>>Heavier use of soulless CG
It has some of the best CGI out of an RPG combined with also some of the best sprite work. Automatically kneejerking any time you see cgi is just you being obstinate on purpose.

IV has the better world, the better characters, the better combat system, the better villains and doesn't coast on nostalgia.

>>9444819
thread.

>>9445364
post.

>>9444809
It's mainly the sprites and how grittier and edgier the fourth game looks. Everything else said about IV over III is hella fucking exaggerated; IV has more shitty forced minigames even though minigames are one of the common complaints about III.
>>9445346
indeed every installment in a series needs to avoid making allusions to past lore because some jackass is gonna accuse people of nostalgia as criticism

>>9445463
and don't get me wrong; I love both games apart from the bad minigames), but IV fans get so pretentious it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. III has a more fun arcade style fishing game, IV has a more detailed and slower paced fishing game; which one I prefer depends on my mood.

>>9444809
Other than the dragon system not being better I just plain disagree on your other points. But I feel we've been over this so many times there really isn't anything to say.

>>9444809
I tried playing 3 and it would literally make me fall asleep. Like i could not fight the feeling. I've never had a game do that to me before.

3 has more soul
4 is technically far better

It's as easy as that

5 is a good game, good romp, interesting how progress kinda snowballs and then it becomes fun

>>9445463
>shitty forced mini games
Man what the fuck, I loved the fishing and the fairy sim in BoF IV. They were a lot of fun.

>>9444809
It feels like a classic JRPG SNES game but on the PS1. Personally for me, I don't think I can detach from the nostalgia I have for it. Rei is also my favorite cat.

>>9445346
>IV has... the better characters
Ershin is doing a ton of heavy lifting in this comparison, I see.

>>9445963
Facts

>>9444809
Because Wave Warrior EXE is canon, duh
https://youtu.be/FldEkQ8sOWY

>>9444809
>Why is BoF IV generally regarded as better than III?
in what universe lol

Fuck 4. It is pure, irredeemable trash for midwits. From the onset it is clear which role falls to whom, that Fou-Lou is destined to be the grrr 100% bad guy, and Ryu the good one. As such, Fou-Lou's segments are utterly pointless because every event's outcome is predetermined to be negative. If the game had but a quantum of depth, if it wasn't so cowardly and trite, Mami would have survived, to put Fou-Lou's plan to eradicate humanity into jeopardy. But no, that would add complexity, and the bad guy is destined to be the bad guy, so that is conveniently removed for him.

Removed is also the mystery and adventure. The bad guy sits waiting, and where he sits is where the hero's trite trek leads to. Instead of hijacking a mysterious freighter to set off to unknown shores or exploring an enigmatic station in the desert, we are walking to the capital. Excitement abounds. As boring as the story are the playable characters, with the sole exception being the trash can, but considering how awful the whole game is, it should be chalked up as fluke instead of a deliberate creation. What are the motivations of characters such as Scias and Ursula? Oh I don't remember and frankly neither do I care.

The gameplay itself is also neutered, the cool gene system boiled down to what's basically the warrior from 3. Yes, it is usually the most effective form. You know what's even more effective? Replacing the whole battle system with fucking Excel. I want to turn into a dragon knight robot and fire rockets from its huge head, I want to turn the whole party into a fat angry turtle and rain trash on the enemy! They even gimped the fishing and don't get me started with the other minigames, such as shoveling sand. Fun! Lastly, as a final fuck you, whereas 3 ended with a notion of hope, this garbage ends with a slimy fuck scheming. Because bad is what a midwit expects from it. Misery is so deep, like Starsailor lyrics. Fuck 4.

>>9444809
You're a furry.

>>9446317
>ends with a slimy fuck scheming

He was originally supposed to be a boss but they ran out of time. The game ends with an image of Ursula, the manga ends with Ursula hunting down Yuna. It feels like there's an entire missing chapter with Ursula and Yuna.

>>9445470
>but IV fans get so pretentious it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Yeah, we never have to deal with that sort of attitude from 3 fans >>9446317 *cough*

>>9446373
If they ran out of time they should have just dropped the scene with him at the end. That screen shows the game time, so it seemed to be just an image picked to show something related to speed. The game's writer didn't write the manga so that image being a hint is a bit far-fetched.

>>9446320
Are you telling me Rei doesn't get you hot and bothered?

>>9446317
>midwits
Stopped reading. That's not a word.

>>9446429
Refuting the Bof 4 fanboy wank isn't pretentiousness

>>9446510
Midwit reaction

>>9447328
What I was pointing out is both camps act irritatingly pretentious and that's a perfect example. Neither are incredie, 3 is about a 7 out of 10 and 4 is maybe a 7.5 bit you all act like retards over them.

Nobody is mentioning the fairy village and master system…

IV would have been better if it had more disks. For me its clear the game was meant to have bigger history and world interaction than what we got. Still, its a great game just like III is.

I prefer the fishing mode in BoF3 but i think thats up to personal preference, IV is slightly more comfy

>>9445973
Yeah same. Dont get the hate
>>9447413
That's what being starved of good sprite work does to a nigga

To this day there isnt any RPG that has better sprites n shit

>>9445346
>The gene system was overrated
The greatest thing about is that it was the perfect reward for doing side quests. There is nothing better you could get in any breath of fire game than another ingredient for your dragon transformations.

>>9447509
The sprites are top notch I'll give them that, but neither game is amazing otherwise. Both are just solid decent rpgs. I mildly prefer 4 but find it surreal how worked up people get over them to the point of stuff like this >>9446317

>>9447529
They are both definitely in the realms of great JRPGs, among the best on the console. These games are above average in pretty much all aspects and have no real flaws.

>>9447550
I don't think they're all that special, but I was getting bored of rpgs by the time they came out anyway. At any rate the quality difference isn't nearly big enough to garner the kind of shit fights people here get in over them.

>>9444809
>Why is BoF IV generally regarded as better than III?
literally no one believes that.

>>9447790
Read this and all the other threads, it's close to 50/50 and if anything leans in 4's direction. Why are you all so fucking autistic about these two games? Holy shit people.

>>9444809
>Why is BoF IV generally regarded as better than III?
Because it isn't.

>>9447471
I mentioned it >>9445973. The fairy village was one of my favorite things about BoF IV.

>>9447943
Lol

what is everybody on, saying 4 has better characters? Their sprites look good, and that's it. It arguably has the worst and most ineffective iteration of Nina prior to DQ, and what else does it have? A crappier version of Rei? A boring Chun Li copy? A stuttering dog? They don't have any story development or real purpose to the overall adventure aside from Ershin. Everyone was important in the third game: Rei, Momo, Garr, Peco. Momo>>Ursula Garr>>>>>Dog
Rei>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cray. Ershin was a little more entertaining than Peco but that's all I'll give.

>>9449047
I couldn't be more opposite on those opinions. Ursula feels like she was supposed to get more development but other than that they're all great. Reducing Scias to just a stuttering dog makes me wonder if you've even played the game and Ershin/Deis is by far the best ever.

>>9450813
>Reducing Scias to just a stuttering dog makes me wonder if you've even played the game
That's all he is. Two comic relief characters are too many.
>>9450813
>Ershin/Deis
They're two separate characters, and Deis is the same old legacy character if you wanna mouth off about nostalgia again.

>>9450813
drunkard dog then. He's the "conflicted" character like Garr but one is infinitely more developed and interesting than the other.

>>9444809
Momo is the cutest character in existence so there.

>>9450852
And her name means "dumpling" in Nepalese. Idk if this was intentional. Prolly not since practically no one cares about Nepal. : (

>>9450827
That's why I put a slash between them.

>>9450830
Disagree is all I can say.

>>9445470
>compares finshing games to decide best game
based and fish pilled.

>>9450852
They even put her in 4 lel

>>9451106
Rei and Teepo, too.

>>9444809
because Nina IV is hotter.
I have not played played any of these games.

>>9446510
I just made a note to include the word extensively in my next book just to make people like you angry

>X is more popular, god I hate it
>I love Y, because it took X and made it better
>wait now everyone around me is saying the same thing
>god I hate Y and its entire pretentious fanbase
This entire website is nothing but monkeys jumping on the contrarianism curve and letting trends dictate their opinion on things. You can practically set a calendar to opinions going to circle back around.

>>9452075
better than you whining and posting about nothing in particular

>>9446373
Maybe so but I liked the ending as-is. The bad guy gets away. Cray loses his girl. Fou-Lou gets done dirty. The Gods return to whence they came and the world is returned to the morals. It's not a happy ending but life goes on. There was some serious collateral damage along the way and while the game had ended the story of each of the characters isn't done. What's implied to happen offscreen shows a lot of restraint rather than the games that over explain everything and feel compelled to wrap everything up neatly.