/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9421365
For me, it's peaked with 2nd generation. 3rd was okay and from 4th onwards it just lost any sense of direction. They had to finish on Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, making GBA games the last ones and Battle Frontier the final season of anime.

>>9421365
I remember having this and putting all the stickers on my wall only to have my bitch of a grandma peeling them off throwing them away as I came home from school because she thought they were demonic because her church said Pokemon was satanic. I cried for the rest of the evening.

For me it's the enhanced GBA remakes.

Gen 1 and 2 were so good. Then it turned into the souless slop made for manchildren it is today

>>9421365
You know why right?
Originally the pokemon were simple.
> Based on Animal
> Based on Animal + Element
> Based on Japanese Mythological creature

Save for Mr. Mime and Mewtwo they were all animalistic. Even the bi-pedal pokemon (blastoise, nidoqueen, etc) were still distinctly animals.

Nowadays they are:
> Random item the developer saw on his way to the ktichen.
> Animal + Human

They look more like furries than animals.

>>9421365
Yes, the first 2 gens are unparalleled in atmosphere.
I will play devil's advocate and say that Sinnoh had a feeling of endgame that partially saved it from how uninspired was most of it.

>>9421515
???

>>9421365
Well I'm inclined to agree since there's literally no other much simpler explanation for that perception disconnected from any objective merits of the games.

>>9421601
I wouldn't bother. Most pokemon in general are based on animals, and the series has always had dumb looking pokemon, but you talk to some of these guys and you'd think they were ALL good designs.

>>9421631
But I like Hitmonchan.

>>9421365
>>9421449
I used the stickers to fill in the Pokedex in the guide as I actually caught them or traded for them. What a magical time... literally EVERYONE was either playing the games, watching the show, or collecting the cards.
Pokemon Go was close to that type of atmosphere but I wasn't in school by that time so I have no clue if it was as commonplace.

1st and 2nd gen w/ Stadium 1 and 2 are the peak, ultimate Pocket Monsters experience.
Optional/addendum: Snap and the TC game boy games.

I believe your kind is referred to as "genwunnners"...

>>9421757
zoomer cope

>>9421365
I really like Gen 3, but I can see where it started to push away from atmosphere, aesthetic and being an open ended RPG. The hand holding and bigger stories started in Gen 3.

Gen 2 frustrated me a lot when I was younger. With how hard it was to find many pokemon. Like going through this whole dungeon and a guy wants to give you tyrogue, but if your party is a full, you can't take it. Or darks and steel types being in the later half of the game. Now I really appreciate all the little corners in the game. I feel like gen 3 was the last game to have exploration in it.

>>9421634
So do I. His elemental punches were way cool. I should have posted Muk or something.

>>9421365
ORAS was really good i think they really outdid themselves remaking Gold and Silver. you can really tell that the originals were meant to be the ending of the series. but then we all know what happened there .

1998-2000 Pokemania will never be repeated again. Pokemon swept the nation. Every schoolyard had its own Pokemon culture, hierarchy, interactions, urban legends, and so on. There were enough Pokemon to make it fresh every time but not so much that it became convoluted or impossible to master. You had the trading cards, the figures, the BIG FUCKING DEAL movie, all the other merchandise. When Pokemon Stadium came out I was so hyped to see my Pokemon in 3D I played until I threw out my neck.

I am so glad to have lived through this period at the prime age.

>>9421823
The craze of those times is over, but now Pokemon is a classic household name. Like it trascended its initial phenomena and it's now part of the general pop culture anyway. I see Pokemon t-shirts and tattoos on random normies every day in my city.
I remember back in college when Black and White came out, all the chads and stacies were playing it, it was really weird for me, who came from 4chan thinking normies all hates any sort of "geek" stuff or that they would make fun of people playing Pokemon.

>>9421449
The 90s satanic panic was a hell of a phenomenon. America had to find a new boogeyman after the USSR died off and before 9/11.

>>9421365
Was it not replicated or was it diluted? I dont understand what you're trying to say.

>>9421923
Just a retread of the 70s Satanic Panic brought to you by the same spooks. They were struggling to come up with a new headline grabber until they invented the school shooter

You guys have a whole board to this crap, can't you keep it there

>>9421923
for baptists the satanic panic never ended

>>9421365
>>9421369
Pokemon kino comes from the anime and the TCG, not the games. The games have always been average at best imo, not on par with console action RPG's like Secret of Mana or Magic Knight Rayearth. That said, as far as Game Boy games go, I prefer Harvest Moon.

>>9421803
Wonder what would have happened to GameFreak if they ended with gen 2. Would the pokemon sales had helped them with new development, or would they be unable to hack it in the 2000s as a dev and inevitably need to fall back on the ip?

I hate the new mon designs after gen 2. Lucario for instance is just shitty furfag bait hes not even cool no matter how hard they try. Deoxys was a fucking stupid legendary showing that even by gen 3 its gone to complete shit.

>>9422049
The TCG was amazing at the start (for collecting, playing was a pain) - but saying that the games weren't kino is just disingenuous.

>>9421601
He was based on Felix Trinidad the boxer

>>9422183
See >>9421515
Also keep in mind, a bunch of the pokemon from Gen 2 were the leftovers from gen 1 that they cropped off to keep the number at 150. So the reason Gen 2 is still appealing is that its still basically Gen 1 pokemon.

>>9421757
Explain the "wun" spelling, unless it's just some forced and desperate attempt at justifying your lack of a soul.

>>9422306
That's a lie though.

>>9422183
Im genwunner and thought Deoxys was one of the few new designs i actually liked being Mewtwo 2.0

>>9421786
I don't the hate for Muk, he's not bad just generic.

>>9421634
for me it's hitmonlee

>>9421369
I had that puzzle glued to a piece of cardboard and affixed to my ceiling. Looked up at it every night while lying in bed.

>>9422476
Also that's how I first realized Farfetch'd doesn't evolve into Doduo.

>>9422397
mewtwo was a cool looking alien. deoxys just looks dumb. i get what they were going for but it just wasnt cool. stupid head, stupid legs, stupid arms and a stupid torso the entire design is shit. i get that its DNA but thats just fucking dumb for a pokemon design.

>>9422352
Except it's not. Fucking Ho-oh appears in the first episode to the anime. Speak not when you don't know about which you speak.

>>9422682
This is my favorite gen 2 pokemon. He was cut from Gen 1 but I'm glad he was put in Gen 2

>>9421449
My friend's parents pulled this, they threw out all his Pokemon stuff. Games, VHS tapes, toys, cards, all of it. My parents were equally religious but they weren't quite so strict

>>9421449
based grandma lets me guess you are a satanist today

>>9422920

>>9421365
>>9422306
>>9421757
This was the common thought a few years ago, but since the big leak we now know that virtually none of the gen 2 Pokemon that made it in were slated for gen 1. That being said the general sentiment that gen 2 is closer to gen 1's design sensibilities than any gen after holds true, but for other reasons:

>Gen 1 and 2 were genuine sibling games, with GSC being conceptualized as "Pokemon 2".
>Gen 2 was the last time Satoshi Tajiri was leading the team actively, gen 1 and 2 can be thought of as his personal childhood games with the premise of the world coming from his own fond memories of an era of childhood that was quickly being devoured by technological innovation and new apartment complexes. The games have a much more personal undertone because they were inspired heavily by the creator own personal childhood and his desire to bring that to a new generation of kids. Gen 3 onwards the games are primarily headed by Junichi Masuda who, while a great musical composer, has a far less personal attachment to the series and a different vision for what the world of pokemon is (especially in an atmospheric sense). You can kind of see this by how the games start feeling significantly more like places you're visiting (like on a vacation) and less like a coming of age story where a boy finally ventures out into his own homeland to explore and grow.
>The franchise by gen 3 was already a proven success story and the teams desire to prove that the IP still had legs I think caused them to shift focus on design philosophy. One example of this is in the first 2 gens the designs seem to, in a lot of ways, play homage to either real animals or kaiju monsters. As the series goes on there's a marked increase in pokemon being animals+theme (duck+jouster/knight vs duck+leak or duck+psychic powers) imo this feels a little cheap/juvenile but its probably easier to prompt new designs for the team..

I could on with my autism on this idea, but i stop here lol

>>9421823
I remember back then all the boomer teachers at my school would tell us that no one would care about "pokeymans" in twenty years

>>9422682
The games had been out for over a year by the time the anime premiered, "Pokemon 2" had been announced, and Ho-oh had already been revealed as a new Pokemon that would be available in those games. Pic related is an early magazine article about the anime from back when it had just been announced and very little details were known yet.

Speak not when you don't know about which you speak.

>>9421842
It's hard to believe nowadays that there was ever a time when pokemon was uncool

>>9423071
Video games in themselves were uncool and seen as childrens' toys or dumb shit for autistic nerds up until the mid 2000s or so.

>>9421365
Gen 2 still had this atmosphere. Gen 3 was when it all started to change (though I still think Gen 3 is excellent by any means). Gen 1, 2 and 3 are my personal triad. I have no interest in whatever came next

>>9422692
If only he actually was put in gen 2

>>9423062
Based debunker

>>9423074
I was in high school in the early 2000s and I used to bring my gba to school and play pokemon ruby in the bathroom while I took a shit

>>9423082
gen 3 lost some of the 90s anime aesthetic that makes pokemon great, but it has my favorite set of new pokemon

>>9423119
I didn't play Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, only LeafGreen/FireRed. These two are absolute classics

>>9421601
Jacky Chan
Bruce Lee

>>9422003
For the entire planet the satanic panic never ended, because all governments are run by satanic pedophiles who rape and eat children.

>>9423131
firered and leafgreen are kinda soulless compared to the originals. Heartgold/Soulsilver were much better remakes

>>9423206
meds

>>9422257
TITO! TITO! TITO!!!!

>>9422692
With all the shit they add, all the betas should be in by now.

>>9423071
Gen 3 up to the first 3DS games were the era when you were shunned for liking it.

>>9423251
gen 3 is smooth, that's why so many hacks use it. gen 4 is clunky and slow and the sprites have too much squash and stretch fuckery that makes them look shitty.

>>9421823
Why Poliwhirl?

>>9423863
Pokemon fad more or less died out with the movie. Gen 2 it was starting to become lame and for most of the 2000s you were considered a fag for still liking Pokemon. Like you said, it's not until around X/Y where it changed, likely because the people who were little kids when the fad was at its height would have been in or entering their 20s and so would have had nostalgia and disposable income.

>>9424297
And like others have said, while that might've been the case for kids that grew up on gen 2 and were still in middle school at the time, those that started with gen 1 were in college when gen 5 was released. That was the actual point when it became okay to like Pokemon again, when the earliest fans first got old enough to stop being immature teen edgelords.

I was in college when Platinum got released, nobody made fun of anyone for being into Pokemon then. And pic related is from 2010, late gen 4 in America (American release date of BW was March 2011).

>>9421449
You grew up to post on 4chan so maybe your grandma had a point

>>9421365
The original artwork is more soulful

>>9423062
How hard it must be, to be so inferior, intellectually.

The first game was released in February of 1996.
The first episode of the TV show began production in June of 1996.
Initial development of the second game beginning in July of 1996.
The first episode was AIRED in JAPAN in April of 1997.
The first mention of G/S came out in February of 1997 (it would be released 2 year later).

You stupid shit, an anime episode isn't aired live. It's an incredible strain on the artist's wrists.

>>9421365
FireRed > Red

>>9423251
I still want to play HeartGold/SoulSilver one day, bc Johto and Gen 2 are so dear to my heart.

>>9424515
>The first mention of G/S came out in February of 1997 (it would be released 2 year later).
That anime announcement article is from December 1996 and mentions both "Pokemon 2" and Ho-oh by name.
https://twitter.com/DogasusBackpack/status/1509683518288592897

151 is more than enough fictional creatures to memorise or fill out a virtual world. Once they got into like 300-400 it was just retarded. After I saw they were just going to keep adding 100 more with every game, I stopped caring. Silver/Gold were good as games in the way they expanded the game systems, but in terms of the pokemon anything after gen 1 is dead to me.

>>9423074
No they weren't. They used to market games to entire families and young adults.

>>9424592
Doesn't matter. Video games much like super heroes and action figures were for nerds in the 90s and early 00s, not that anon but I can tell you this was true, being into nerdy shit wasn't cool like it is now no matter who they marketed shit to. Disney movies were also marketed to families, and you couldn't just be over a certain age and admit to liking Disney like you can now.

>>9424592
Yes, to families, so that daddy and mommy can play them with their kids. Not so that daddy and mommy can play them on their own, or that adults without kids can buy them with no intention of ever playing them with kids.

>>9424547

It would have been great if they kept the 151 and different generations would follow the same path of collecting them. as adults you could be the "master" and actually mentor them because the kids would be exploring the same world and learning the same game patterns. but unfortunately the world was ruined by a committee cashgrab attitude

>>9424460
My first Pokemon game was Crystal and I was in 10th grade when BW came out. Also, I grew up with all of the other kids in my school thinking Pokemon was uncool, except when BW came out a lot of kids in my high school were playing it for some reason.

>>9424686
Oh look, someone else had Crystal as his first game.

>>9424539
>Initial development of the second game beginning in July of 1996.
You can't read, I'm sorry anon

>>9421365
You have to understand that the first generation of games were made by an almost different mindset and team than the later generations.
Tajiri had a very clear idea of what pokemon was and wasn't, Sugimori hadn't lost his soul yet, and Masuda wasn't an arrogant asshole.
Once it became clear to Nintendo that this shit prints money from kids, due in large part to the anime and merchandising (toys and tcg), that is when the shift began.
Contrary to what others on 4chan may think, the decline in that atmosphere you speak of started with Pokemon Yellow, as it changed the original games into something with more mass appeal from the anime. Generation 2 with Gold, Silver, and Crystal still had for the most part that original vibe but you could clearly see that the aesthetic was softer and cleaner than the original Red and Green. After this, Tajiri basically left and Masuda changed pokemon to his idea. Some of the later games would still be fun and even great, but purely from the perspective of that original aesthetic and atmosphere, never the same.

gen 1 had so much soul. remember the "trainer guide" manual. it had cool art, it had the gym leaders, it had a little weaknesses and resistances chart. it was awesome.

>>9424895
Before anyone @'s me for the Sugimori comment, please go fuck yourself seven ways to Sunday.
In very much the same manner that Akira Toriyama phoned Dragon Ball in after the Frieza saga and ESPECIALLY for all of Super (peak soul being in the Dragon Ball era before the Saiyan Saga), Sugimori has become painfully generic and overly clean. There are plenty of pictures online of people drawing new pokemon in early Sugimori style and vice versa, and it's easy to see how much better his pre gen 3 style was.
Also, I fucking hate that people just blanket state that Gen 1/2 Sugimori is just Toriyama. No you blind faggots, having been inspired by Toriyama of course some of the aesthetic is similar but even by the early gen 1 sketches and original artwork, Sugimori had his own distinct style, otherwise the marketing never would have worked as well as it did.

>>9424271
Why not Zoidburg?

>>9424527
Hate to break it to you anon.

>>9424527
>>9425604

First gen was before Pokemon was fully solidified as a mammoth moneymaking brand, and was more of a personal project from one guy trying to communicate his childhood experiences of bug collecting.

>>9422320
Zoomers think if you can put a silly name on something, you immediately win.

>>9424271
poliwhirl is satoshi tajiri's (pokemon creator) favorite pokemon, so it was pushed hard in gen 1

>>9424297
the changed started to happen during the later half of gen 4 when you started to see hipster stores like hot topic have pokemon shirts in them

>>9425604
Wait, they added shit to the game? Never mind, nobody should play this

>>9424912
One of the strangest things to me is realizing a lot of Gen 2 art was actually done before the Pokemon yellow art was. I'm sure its not every piece, as G/S development, especially in terms of Pokemon, was all over the place, but a lot of it seemingly was done for significant Pokemon like Ho-oh.

>>9424297
pokemon started to lose steam when gold/silver came out and by summer 2001 it was uncool

>>9421365
IMO 1st and 2nd Gen both had it. I like Ruby/Sapphire just fine but things had clearly changed by then

>>9422397
Kind of just looks like a bunch of parts bolted together, like it's a Gunpla or something. I was never a huge fan of that particular look a lot of later stage Pokemon went for.
And yes I'm aware gen 1 had a few of those, but they stood out because they were robotic or mechanical looking designs amid a sea of organic designs, and they weren't necessarily even the best designs either.

>>9425678
I'll never forget that my friend outright just gave me his copy of Silver because of this perception. His parents dropped $50 on that for his birthday or Christmas or whatever, and he just threw it away for normalfag points.

>>9425692
There's a sort of rounded pieces stuck together look that dominated a lot of Gen 3/4. I actually think Gen 5 was a good turn around for the series design wise and came closest to the classic stuff, Gen 6 had some good, but Gen 7 went off the edge with bizarre yet bland designs.

>>9421449
>>9421923
Was this an exclusively American phenomenon? I’m from Eastern Europe and nobody has ever said bullshit like this, we just had idiotic rumors about some kids killing themselves by jumping from a window or drinking gasoline and setting it ablaze because they though they’re Charizard. Curiously enough, I remember only women (my mother and my female teachers) talking about this bullshit and warning us about it.

>>9425696
Inflation-wise it would've been about that, but back then it was $30--which is saying something, how many big, event games are $30 these days? Inflation went up, sure, but the perception of $30 back then is what it is now--fairly cheap.

That said I did find it weird how careless normies were with money. Even though $30 wasn't a huge deal for my family, I wouldn't get spoiled with games like that all the time. Meanwhile I saw kids trading away n64 games for snacks and shit.

The amount of bad designs obviously increases with every single generation but are there any gen 1 Pokemon which are generally considered to be bad designs?

>>9425749
People often say Voltorb but fuck them, it’s a mimic and it works in the world.
I’d say Seel is a bad design, or Seaking - literally just a seal/fish with a horn slapped in its head, nothing interesting or cool about them. Also, I’m not a fan of the Pidgey line but it is inoffensive.

>>9422320
Pretty sure it's the same idea as dorks using the term "freeze peach" a few years ago. Just a dumb way to mock someone.

>>9424460
>dudes wearing pokewalkers on their hats
TAKE ME BACK PLEASE

>>9425758
Yeah I think Voltorb is probably a lack of imagination but it still works

>>9421365
it's just nostalgia

>>9425748
>Meanwhile I saw kids trading away n64 games for snacks and shit.
That's just fucking retarded.

>>9425738
>drinking gasoline and setting it ablaze because they though they’re Charizard

I look like this and I do this.

>>9422049
>Secret of Mana

Was fucking garbage with a lazy rushjob ending.

>just spam magic to win bro

>>9422320
He spelled it wrong implying that it’s le bad.

>>9422398
Now spell muk backwards

>>9424912
sugimori art really started getting soulless when they did new art for the gen 1 pokemon for fire red/leaf green

>>9425921
Original Sugimori art had three fundamentals:
>watercoloring
>cocky protags/rivals
>emphasis on functional clothing, rather than globohomo 'fashionability'

>>9425680
gold/silver was supposed to be the final pokemon game, but when pokemania blew up worldwide they didn't want to derail the money train

>>9425748
$30 was standard for gameboy games. Even 3DS games rarely retailed for over $35-$40.

>>9425927
'Pokemania' was dying down well before GS, retard.

>>9425738
>we just had idiotic rumors about some kids killing themselves by jumping from a window or drinking gasoline and setting it ablaze because they though they’re Charizard
it doesn't get much more eastern european than that

>>9425749
goldeen/seaking are kind of lazy

>>9421365
Pokemania was pretty wild, I was just at the brink of the target demographic, when gen 1 hit in 1998 I was just starting first grade. My older brother was more the target but having a brother a couple of years older lined me up to get into the things my older brother was into. Frankly I don't think anything will ever be that big again, it was like a perfect storm of media and products to keep it as this constant thing for a few years. Things didn't really die down until around crystal's release date - by then I think people were losing interest and even I could feel it as the media became less ever-present. Guess its the fate of all fads.

Still, all the shit that came from it sure was something.

>>9425936
Their markings are actually relatively complex. Seel/Dewgong are the true kings of laziness. Even the names are uniquely lazy.

>>9425758
>Also, I’m not a fan of the Pidgey line but it is inoffensive.
I get it. I actually like the Pidgey line but think that with Spearow/Fearow.

>>9425951
Something about the Pidgey line just says 'bro bird', but I can't articulate it. Spearow line is clearly just asshole birds, though.

Whatever even happened to Tajiri?

>>9421449
Televangelists in the 90s were awful then and they're awful now. Latching onto anything to give them relevancy because they lack the Holy Spirit to guide them to preach the true Gospel, so they have to create panic surrounding kids media so gullible-but-well-intended grannies will listen and give them money.

They're purposefully deceptive and in their wake leave generations of young children questioning God into their adulthood.

Luke 17:2 "It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones."

>>9425926
the old sugimori pokemon art had way more aggressive poses for the pokemon

>>9425983
Examples?

>>9425932
No It wasn't. Pokemon was still pretty hot through summer 2000

>>9425937
Pokemania really died out spring/summer 2001

>>9425972
He stopped being involved with pokemon a long time ago

>>9425987
The movie was cringe and caused countless edgy tweens to drop it, in addition to normalfags simply being cattle who can only enjoy something if it's new and shiny and mass appeal. I lived it, you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>9425991
yea with the dog movie

>>9425984

>>9426043
Only Ivysaur/Venusaur and Raticate look 'aggressive' here. Mostly because they have literal angry slants on their brows.

>>9425996
I was around back then and pokemania was still strong as fuck after november 1999

>>9426007
My mom took me to see that one the day it came out and the theater was almost empty

>>9426080
I remember seeing the first movie in theaters and when Ash got stoned all the kids started crying "no ash no!" (in 1999 I was 7 years old) and I remember being pissed off at them. I was a grumpy kid.

>>9426050
That's just an example image I found. In the old school sugimori art the only pokemon who have cutesy or neutral poses are the cutesy pokemon

>>9425951
I think the Pidgey line looks nice. Simple and effective yet memorable. Spearow and Rattata look great too. Fearow and Raticate look goofy, lacking any of the coolness of Pidgeotto and Pidgeot. I like things like Grimer and Muk just fine too.

IMO the worst Gen 1 design is Tauros. It's a buffalo with three tails, whoop de fucking doo. I also don't like Dragonite all that much. It looks simultaneously goofy and plain.

>>9426090
That art came later for the Blue version. The original Sugimori art was... this

>>9421842
>it was really weird for me, who came from 4chan thinking normies all hate
lol he fell for the old "I'm an outcast because of vidya" cope. No buddy, you were called a faggot because they thought you were a faggot. Liking videogames is almost universal among young people and, guess what, pokemon is the most normie shit imaginable.
Yeah, teenage Chad will probably force himself to play videogames less to get chicks, but Chad playing vidya is just Chad. (You) continue being (You) with or without a gameboy in hand.

>>9424460
This comic came out when Heart Gold/Soul Silver were out, and it absolutely was a case where college kids were feeling nostalgic over GSC.
Hell you can ad two more panels to this now, almost 13 years later
>Wage slaves too busy to play Pokemon
>late 20's/30-something parents playing Pokemon with their kids(or being the weird aunt/uncle who talks to their nephew about Pokemon

>>9421449
Now instead of "Pokemon is satanic you can't play that" it's "white men are Nazis you can't put them in games"

>>9426086
when I saw the first pokemon movie in theaters there were so many kids from my school there with their parents that it was like a field trip

>>9422927
To be fair, their religion does say that enjoying anything other than God and hard work is sin.

>>9421470
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>>9426007
Saw first 2 in theater, this one was one of the first movies i ever "streamed" watching it as a rental on Direct TV.

>>9426101
No, that art was made for the release of Blue. Prior to that there was no official art of all the Pokemon, and the magazines that promoted it had to draw their own.

The plainer art you're thinking of was done for the anime model sheets, which kinda require basic art of the creature just standing there.

>>9426121
The difference being that one was actually a wide spread phenomenon and the other is mostly people having a victim complex.

>>9426285
>and the magazines that promoted it had to draw their own.

Damn, any examples of this?

>>9425830
I can confirm this. Every week during middle school through high i was coming home with backpacks full of "old games" from kids or kids who stole them from siblings, usually only paying them a dollar or a piece of my lunch. Traded an orange juice at lunch for mario land 2. Some kid just for free gave me all his n64 games. Gave a kid a crude drawing on the bus for entire dk land trilogy. It was a wonderful time if you were into old vidya and were dealing with kids too early to experience nostalgia.

>>9426310
Here. >>9423062
Top left picture of Growlithe and his buddies, middle left picture of the Hitmons, the Blastoise in the bottom left corner and I THINK the Pikachu in the top right corner were all done by the magazine's staff.

>>9426313
And then everyone stood up and clapped.

>>9426285
Then why are they also used in this official guidebook from 1996 that predates Blue?
https://archive.org/details/pokemon-illustrated-book-of-pocket-monsters-character-art-book-encyclopedia-poke/mode/2up

>>9425713
I will say the Ultra Beasts were some of my favorite designs in many gens. Fuck me,i like Mewtwo and Deoxys and Giratina and all the designs that skirt the edges of digimon tier.

>>9426319
Huh, interesting. Might've been done for that guidebook and then reused for Blue promotions?

>>9426313
Yeah, I got both Star Fox 64 and Goldeneye from a friend of a friend for free. It was initially supposed to just be a loan, but he just let me keep them since he ended up giving his console away anyway.

Back then most people just treated video games as childrens' toys you grow out of, so if someone wanted your old toys there was no issue just giving them away.

>>9426323
Nah, since Blue had the more dynamic art we know in the west.

That's just gaming in general

>>9426338
There's a massive difference between a friend loaning you a game and later forgetting about it, and kids trading games for fucking orange juice. One of those things feasibly happened, and the other is a teenager roleplaying.

>>9426339
What we do know is that this art >>9426319 was not all that widespread at first, and that magazines like Corocoro Comics had to draw their own at first.

The original Pokemon manga is also full of hilarious misinterpretations like the dirt around Diglett being its feet and the gem in Persian's forehead being a third eye, which was obviously a result of it being based purely on the sprites and not on any kind of drawn art.

>>9426345
He didn't forget about it, I was talking about Goldeneye with another friend while he was around and he said I could just keep the games since he didn't have his N64 anymore.

>>9426358
That's also believable. Trading away an N64 game for orange juice is not. That faggot was roleplaying.

>>9426148
One of Jesus' miracles was at a wedding reception where he turned water to wine. Doesn't support that narrative, chief.

>>9426359
Lol you sound jealous you were not doing the same thing back then. The kid wanted my orange juice, i jokingly said, yea if yoh give me a game for it, he said alright he will tomorrow. I didn't believe him and next day was a field trip, he showed up, jokingly asked him where my game was and he hands me mario land 2. Couldn't believe it myself, but its what ticked in my head to start seeing how much stuff i can get for free or cheap. Same kid later just gave me his gameboy with game&watch gallery in it. Late 90s to midish 2000s was a goldmine for Nintendo and ps1 games practically for free.

>>9426379
And then everyone stood up and clapped.

>>9426383
I sure did.

>>9426389
Same.

>>9425667
That's exactly right. A lot of what they added to the remakes was shit.

>>9426379
I literally lied about knowing the Japanese names for pokemon on the playground when I was a kid.
Nobody ever corrected me, and I had Japanese pokemon cards/games. fuck em.

>>9426498
all you needed back then to know the japanese names was an issue of beckett pokemon collector

>>9425937
I think you're out of touch, anon.
The youngsters are all over Fortnite nowadays.
I'd argue it's even bigger in hours consumed per zoomer.

>>9421601
jackie chan and bruce lee, both hong kong chinese, are considered subhuman animals by the japanese

>>9425984
> Red/Green https://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Art_from_Pok%C3%A9mon_Red_and_Green

>Blue https://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Art_from_Pok%C3%A9mon_Red_and_Blue

The red and green artwork is solid, but a lot of the blue redraws are dynamic and full of energy. Chameleon and Nidoking for instance. I think Red/Green work really well as "standardized" images for promotional stuff, and the blue designs work better for characterization.

>>9426620
fortnite (and minecraft before it) are absolutely huge with kids, but it's not as all encompassing as pokemania was from 1999-2001

>>9426628
the blue art made great pokemon cards back then

>>9425926
>>9425983
worth remembering that alongside the "bug catching and fighting" stuff that most commonly gets cited as Pokémon's main inspiration another big one was the Capsule Monsters from Ultraseven, which fed into the design philosophy of the Pokémon themselves quite heavily, it's most obvious with Gen 1/2 designs(heck Rydon is the very first proper Pokémon that was designed and he's very blatantly Ultra Kaiju derived), but it's still pretty noticeable even with a lot of the modern designs

>>9423183
>>9426626
As nice as it is to discuss pokémon outside of /vp/ the bad part is that people manage to be even more ignorant about Pokémon. How the fuck are you gonna fall for the localization names made up by moronic americans who had nothing to do with the creation of the pokémon? Do you also think Sandshrew is a shrew? Jackie Chan is not even a boxer, Bruce Lee is not even a kickboxer.

Hitmonchan/lee are named after a famous japanese boxer/kickboxer respectively.

>>9426628
This truly is the peak of Nidoking. Such a good kaiju.

>>9426658
Ebiwalar after boxer Hiroyuki Ebihara.
Sawamular after kickboxer Tadashi Sawamura.

>>9426665
And Hitmontop?

>>9426986
It's called Kapoerer in nip, it's just named after capoeira as a whole rather than a specific practitioner.

>>9425912
>He spelled it wrong implying that it’s le bad.
It also implies that he and you are le fags.

>>9422183
>Hating Deoxys
Thanks for telling us you have shit taste anon

>>9426379
I believe you, I traded a copy of "Pyramid of Light" from the yugioh movie to a gay autist in exchange for pokemon ruby
kids are dumb

>>9425996
>"I lived it"
>my observational bias trumps reality
Yea, you're experience isn't fact. Doesn't matter tweens dropped it, the first movie made millions of dollars. 2000 was also a big hit for its budget. Not to mention video sales were very high. The first 5 all got US theatrical releases. Because pokemon was doing so well prior to it coming out. Not to mention the cards, toys and anything else attached to the franchise.

3rd Gen is really what decided the fate of the franchise. That pokemon as a franchise needed games, anime, cards ect. to have a cycle of new content, i.e. new locations, gym leaders, and of course pokemon. This all happened because pokemon was so successful, not because it was dying out. Things within the franchise came and went, but it's still here, and still does pretty much all of them. There's still an anime, movies, special, mangas, toys, main title games, spin off games and so on.

>>9426649
a lot of the gen 1 pokemon are very kaiju inspired

>>9427372
pokemania was always gonna burn itself out and take a dip in popularity

>>9421365
Sugimori art.
Originally a passion project.
The old team was smaller.
They cared more about the thing for its own sake than selling merchandise or the absolute need to make more just because.
Now the games are focused on being easy, (not that they were ever hard but they would at least have some difficulty) changing the meta for competitive pokemon, (admittedly its strong point, pvp) and qol changes or regional gimmicks nobody really asked for. Removing HMs is fine, even great. They aged badly, they were just roadblocks in a linear rpg, serving their purpose. Now everything also has to be "consistent" and you have no little charming things like NPCs saying weird funny shit just for the fuck of it. What made them great us no longer there. Ship of Theseus taken to its extreme.

>>9422183
Dunno, was never furfag but I thought Lucario was kinda neat as a martial artist pokemon. Big sucker for that aesthetic. But I was 13 when gen 4 came out, so it aligned with my edgy phase. Looking back he's not that great, but stuff like Aura Sphere was cool as hell. Plus Gen4 had a lot of nice Gen1 and 2 evos like Yanmega. But overall yes, Gen4 was basically where the series died for me. I never played 5 or 6, and then I thought I'd give ORAS and Moon a try. Soulless remake all the way through, fuckers even throw the battle frontier in your face. Moon I didn't even finish, my fun in that one came from resetting until I got a shiny starter, and then building a team of legitimate shinies from sos chains. I got a female Salandit, Wimpod, Charjabug, and Vulpix before I quit playing for no real reason. Autism, I know.

Going to post some lesser known sugi card art from the earlier days of pokemon.

I really like Blastoise and Ivysaur here

>>9427942
Metapods color is interesting here, he went for a grey tone. Kinda makes metapod look like it's about to shed maybe its depicting harden? Weedle lookin fierce though.

>>9427942
That charmander just took a bad batch of something.

>>9427950
Arbok bullying diglett here lol. Also the depiction of Fearows drill peck is cool.

>>9427956
one of the weaker sets, nidorina's is cute though.

>>9427958
The Oddish line got some love here, I'm not sure which move Wigglytuff is using here though, looks like it's healing psyduck?

>>9427965
This is a good set, even Meowths derpy depiction has a charm to it.

>>9427969
Love Poliwhirls little hand squirtgun, loved doing that in the pool as a kid.

>>9427970
Very rare depiction of Weepinbell from beneath, I guess this is from before they standardized it to always be shown from above, Kadabra has a cool card.

>>9427974
Rip Golem. Slowbro, Magnemite, and Tentecruel got good cards here

>>9427985

>>9427989
Dodrio all tangled up

>>9427991
My favorite set, did my boy Gengar right, also like how Kinglers crab hammer smashes a Ditto.

>>9427998
:,^( Cubone.

>>9428003
Not my favorite but really solidly drawn set, everyone here looks great.

>>9427998
Makes me think modern pokemon designs are made by deviantart fuckwits since that's what artists are now, apparently. Back then it was different. Back then you had to you real mediums like paint, pencil or whatever and now a complete dip shit can just sit on a computer with a pad and have it do more than half the actual work.

>>9428006
Jynx giving some luvin'

>>9428014
Tauros, Magikap, Gyarados have good depictions here. Bold choice for Ditto depicting it transforming rather than as it usually looks, I can respect the decision though.

>>9428007
They definitely have changed design sensibilities over the years, even Sugimori himself unfortunately...

>>9428021
I like Snorlax's proportions here, makes him a bit more chibi but its cute. Omastar is freightening and another rare underside for Omanyte!

>>9428023
Last one I have. I never thought of Dragonites antennae having any function but they're depicted here shooting some kind of laser (hyperbeam colors?). Not a fan of Mwtwo's proportions here but mews aborto look is cool, Dragonair and Dratini look dope.

>>9427234
thanks for telling us youre a shitty zoomer with no standards

>>9427965
>I'm not sure which move Wigglytuff is using here though, looks like it's healing psyduck?
Disable

The moves are all written on the cards

>>9428026
>shooting some kind of laser (hyperbeam colors?)
And yes, that's Hyper Beam

>>9428029
dope, nice to know

>>9425713
Gen 5 dex is quite literally a remake of Kanto if you look at it. Everything in the dex is 1:1 with a Kanto equivalent. It was effectively a soft reboot. They designed it from the ground up to be 150 new pokemon. No old ones until you even beat the game. They were appealing to the gen 1 fans and have been since (gen 6 megas mostly kanto mons, let's go pikachu) I don't really care for a lot of them myself. People like Golurk for example and stuff like that. I'm indifferent. The ones that have funky trade evos are pretty damn cool though.

>>9421365
trainers didn't fuck around back then

Once their was more then like 250 Pokemon I lost all interest.

>>9421449
Similar for me but with the power ranger originals. At the end of the show they would say the power is yours. The problem was that the power is god's apparently. I've hated God and this world since I was 4 years old. Glad to see all these years later I've been right. Fuck everything.

>>9421365
It's called nostalgiafaggotry. The golden age of Pokemon was Gen 3-5 from an objective point of view. The first two gens were buggy poorly-designed piles of shit.

>>9423206
least schizophrenic rightoid

>>9428543
Good news, Game Freak is recapturing that magic with the newest game.

>>9424912
the old art is just knockoff toriyamashit, he eventually developed a style of his own and it looks a lot better

>>9428543
OG Pokemon was buggy when it comes to competitive play, but that doesn't change the fact that they had a cool atmosphere that made them an interesting world to explore and play in, something the sterile soulless later games lack

Basically, sure competitive play has gotten better, but the games just stopped being cool so who cares

>>9426317
lol I remember in like 2002 or 3 I bought a NES with two controllers, a zapper, and over a dozen games for $20 from a classmate. I miss the 2000's, I miss $2 NES games at flea markets.

>>9427950
Caterpie just busted a nut.

>>9428543
This post reeks of cope. 95% of players don’t care at all about the bugs and competitive play is a fraction of the fanbase. “Objective golden era” = “My ego is so fragile I NEED to be universally right to feel something other than suicidal.”

>>9427989
Interesting Golem pic. I always assumed it was a refurbished design to use as a third evo for Geodude since it always looked like a reptillian design with a rock shell, but this image not only shows it just being rocks, but the arms look much more like carved stone here rather then dino claws.

>>9427998
I wonder if its just coincidence ghastly is next to cloister. He never really hooked like his evos so i wonder if it started out as a pearl evolving into one in a shell.

>>9428642
"Objective golden era" = The period of time when the games were relatively bug-free, the game engines were fantastic, the competitive play was fun, the regions were interesting to explore, etc
Kanto is as generic as it gets, single-player is a slog through a billion poison types and there's nothing interesting to see or do. Genwun is especially bad with the horrendous balancing; Psychic types dominate, the critical hit system is retarded, hyper beam is broken, it's just unfun to play. On top of this the designs are just a bunch of generic shit with Toriyama eyes pasted on.
Johto is a tiny and bland region, the level curve is absolutely fucking awful, the distribution is retarded and they placed a bunch of Johto pokemon in postgame Kanto, which by the way was a waste of time since everything of marginal interest there was closed down/outright cut from the game. Johto itself is littered with Kantomons and the gym leaders barely even use Johtomons. The competitive scene was an absolute slog stallfest Johto is called "West Kanto" in the fanbase for a reason.
Face it, the series didn't get genuinely good until Gen 3, and got shit again with the transition to 3D in Gen 6. Literally the only people who say Gen 1/2 were good are balding millennials who grew out of Pokemon at the turn of the millennium and won't let go of their childhood nostalgia.

>>9428021
That would be a bad ass alt Ditto form to be added, like a Mew that just has access to those 3 lines moves.

>>9428656
>I wonder if its just coincidence ghastly is next to cloister.

Hey you wanna know something that's gonna blow your mind?

134 Vaporeon
135 Flareon
136 Jolteon
137 Porygon

>>9428672
japanese eeveelution names don't have that motif

>>9428585
I did similar for this price, but was a saturn.

>>9427272
True, traded Superstar Saga for Ruby and a Shaman King RPG. My grandma got m a second copy of Superstar Saga later too. I also traded something back for another Superstar Saga between those, so I had 2 copies until recently when I sent one in the mail to someone.

>>9428781
>got kid icarus 2
>traded it to a friend for links Awakening
>bought kid icaurs back a month later for a dollar

Sure hope that dollar got him something great.

>>9428672
>when the tranny is retarded

>>9427234
This

>>9428027
Quite incel

>>9421365
Guyana, South America
A new POKéMON was discovered deep in the jungle.

>>9421515
>They look more like furries than animals.
Agreed

>>9421546
>>9421505
Hoothoot and Pidgey design do not correlate with each other.
Gen 2 was ass

>>9421505
>>9421371
see >>9428824

>>9428665
At the end of the day these are young kids games, so childhood nostalgia is just about the extent of their value to be honest, none of them are deep gameplay experiences as far as JRPGs go so they're only as good as the fun you had with them as a kid. Genwun was flawed gameplay wise and competitively when you look at it critically nobody will deny that, but what made Genwun so special was the unique and cool aesthetic and tone of the world that sucked you in and made you wonder more. It was cryptic, mysterious, with a hint of darkness underlying it all, Pokemon during Genwun was a world of mystery and intrigue and THAT is why it was so special to be in.

Unfortunately, by Gen 3 they lost all of that spirit and it just became sterile. They may have worked out some of the bugs in the gameplay and improved on the technicalities, but they lost the soul that made you want to live in the games world in the first place.

>>9428869
Nice cope, but people who have only just played through the series in recent years consistently land on Gen 3-5 as the best ones despite then being older titles. Literally nobody new to the series ever says Genwun or its sequel are the best.

>>9428007
even the pokemon artists that were around then like sugimori and mitsuhiro arita use soulless digital art now

>>9428585
gamestop used to always have a huge bin with NES games for 25 or 50 cents each back then

>>9426148
You don't know what you're talking about. Read what Aquinas has to say on virtue and happiness.

>>9428889
They could very well be the least flawed games from a technical or competitive perspective, but again being perfect games was never part of the magic of Genwun that makes it near and dear to people's hearts, people who didn't experience it as a kid but rather are playing them as adults looking for some "objective" gaming experience based on how competitively balanced or pristine it is just aren't going to understand the matter of artistic and atmospheric soul vs. soullessness, which is what this thread is about.

>>9426345
Dude I’ve gotten games from a classmate for cheat codes to a game I found on game faqs or angelfire fan sites. Are you really going to argue kids can’t be bad with valuables? It happens.

>>9428656
>He never really hooked like his evos so i wonder if it started out as a pearl evolving into one in a shell.
No, not at all, Gastly was just a pile of smoke both in concept art and the sprites that made it into the original games. Only on the later post-development sugimori revisions did Gastly became a black sphere

>>9428824
> Hoothoot and Pidgey design do not correlate with each other.
What the fuck does that even mean and why they should

>>9425738
In my island it was the Ninja turtles for some reason. The neighbor kid just came to my house to play with mine after his parents tossed his.

>>9428665
I've had way more fun battling in Stadium and in Gen 1 random battles on Showdown than I have in any other gen.

>>9428543
>smogoncel autism

You lot ruined the franchise. Go kill 10000 of the same Pokémon in a row to EV farm autist.

>>9429197
Yeah, competitive Gen 1 is fun. It's kinda lame how most teams have the same 4 or 5 Pokemon, but there's a surprising amount of variety despite that.
>>9428665
Hyper Beam being broken actually made things more fun honestly.

>>9429281
>expecting basic battle mechanics to work in a game that revolves around battling pokemon even in singleplayer is "smogoncel autism"
the absolute state of genwunners

>>9429304
The basic battle mechanics do work with rare exceptions. Focus Energy isn't all that important.

>>9429347
Anon, people have pored over the code of these games in the decades since release, they're full of things that do not work as intended due to mistakes and errors that are easily fixed by amateur romhackers. Lots of typo-level stuff.

>>9428665
>Kanto is as generic as it gets, single-player is a slog through a billion poison types and there's nothing interesting to see or do.

The layout of Kanto in Gen 1 is so much fun to get around, though. It feels open in ways that later regions don't. Not having surface level theming doesn't change that.
>oh look this town is on stilts :)
>oh look this town is on boats :)

yeah ok thats nice but you still loop around in a set path.

>>9429353
>NOOOO THEY HECKIN HAD A TYPO IN THIS RANDOM LINE OF CODE YOU'D NEVER NOTICE OR EXPERIENCE UNLESS A BLOGGER POINTED IT OUT TO YOU, GAME RUINED
Competitive Pokemon faggotry will never not be massive basedcel cringe.

>>9429374
You never noticed it because you were a child, anon. Going back to play the games now is the best way to convert a genwunner to reason. They'll still cope and mumble something about how the games are still better than the later entries, with no intentions of actually playing said later entries to see how wrong they actually are about that.

>>9428869
>experiences as far as JRPGs go so they're only as good as the fun you had with them as a kid
I'd argue for the standards of the original Gameboy, Pokemon mogs any other cut down NES JRPG that got ported to it. It had a lot of unique innovations compared to the genre at large. The ability to just dump your entire party and handpick an entirely new one at will is something even modern JRPGs just don't have outside of Pokemon, for instance. Encounters are far more upfront and obvious than your typical FF or DQ world map, too, allowing you space to prepare and figure out strategies depending on what trainer type you're up against - and the very concept of distinct sets of enemy types bound up in a single sprite you could see on the overworld map is just not something JRPGs of the era had at all.

Pokemon in its original incarnation was something groundbreaking and revolutionary. It's not hard to see why it sold so much when your typical Gameboy game was just cut down bing bing wahoo, cut down NES JRPGs, and puzzle games. Pokemon was a full fledged RPG experience you could carry in your pocket, and the trading/social functions are just icing on the cake. Most of the flaws people cite are peripheral in comparison. I don't give a shit if my JRPG is unbalanced. Most of them are. I give a shit if the gameplay mechanics are engaging and the story/setting has something to offer. Pokemon's story is and always has been pretty basic, but it checks the other two boxes handily. There was nothing like Pokemon's setting before Pokemon. There was nothing like Pokemon's gameplay mechanics before Pokemon, not on the Gameboy, not on the NES/SNES, nothing.

I think that while later generations are certainly more polished experiences, they're at the core the same experience. Game Freak's inability to innovate certainly doesn't take away from the fact that Pokemon when it first became a thing was a very innovative experience, however.

>>9429389
I just got done playing Violet on my Switch emu an hour ago, faggot. You know nothing about me. The fact remains that nobody on Earth besides you and a few of your sycophant buttbuddies gives a flying fuck about balance or the occasional bug in a JRPG. Imagine if FFfags started massive flame wars because FF6 had bugs in it - like, no shit. Nobody cares. Your competitive 'scene' is a joke and the average fighting game wipes its ass with the entire population of your community.

>>9429353
I know that, I'm just saying it's not a huge deal for the most part. And in some cases, like Hyper Beam or Missingno, the glitches actually make the game more fun. Most of the glitches are very minor or acceptable as quirks in the mechanics.

>>9429396
Literally nobody is saying Violet is any good. Pokemon was at its peak in Gens 3-5 and went back downhill after that.

>>9429405
>make a random seethe argument about me being a nostalgiafag
>whine because I pointed out I've played EVERY pokemon game, including the very latest release
You're the real nostalgiafag, clinging onto decaying memories of your little 'competitive' matches over NWC while doing the exact thing - refusing to play newer Pokemon games - that you just accused me of.

>>9429389
Not that anon, but I played up to Gen 3 myself before I lost interest and I still preferred Gen 1 just because I liked the early Pokemon world and tone much more. I don't play competitively so all the minutia involved in that is irrelevant for me, I was just in it for the adventure. Pokemon games as single player experiences aren't hard, even in Gen 1 as unbalanced as it apparently was, you can still win the game easily just by training your favorite Pokemon of choice with the basic knowledge of strengths and weaknesses and that's that. None of the programming flaws of the game actually make the game difficult or unplayable.

>>9429409
The 3D-era pokemon games are a regression back to the era of buggy janky poorly-designed messes of the first two gens. And I've never even mentioned competitive, that's an obsession you've had for whatever dumbfuck reason. I brought up the fact that the game is full of bugs, many of them to do with the battle system, and you're sitting here pretending like they don't apply to single-player battles which you do the entire fucking game.

>>9429409
>>9429416
Actually, scratch that, judging by your posts, you're way too young to have experienced DS wifi. You're just a retard peddling fake memories from bloggers because you think it makes you look more sophisticated than all the 'nostalgiafag' genwunners. I can drag out my half broken DS lite with soul silver and pearl right fucking now you stupid nigger. I bet you can't even post proof of ownership of a single Pokemon game.

>>9429416
Nobody's denying the glitches exist, but in practice they don't hurt the experience much. Code not working as intended doesn't matter if the end result is still fun.

>>9429368
Hoenn completely mogs Kanto. Better exploration, better environmental diversity which felt like you were actually exploring a tropical island region, better postgame, better pokemon distribution, everything was just so much more improved, and the Gen 3 engine is probably the best in the series by far, which is why so many Pokemon ROMhacks use it.

>>9429434
>half water and constant need for HM abuse
Pass. IV had by far the better overworld. It's downside is that it's slow as fucking molasses save for Platinum.

>>9429440
>noooo the tropical island region has water routes aaaaaaaa I'm going insane save me charizard!!!!
Congratulations, you have the irredeemably shit taste of an IGN tranny. Hoenn is full of memorable routes, everyone remembers the sandstorms of Route 111, the volcanic ash-covered Route 113, the lush and tropical areas around Fortree, it's all fucking great. What the fuck does Kanto even have? Nugget Bridge, maybe? Completely unremarkable.

>>9429434
>>9429449
You're still evading the issue that the tone of the franchise changed massively by Gen 3 and that some people much prefer the tone of the early games.

>It has uhhhhhh, trees and ash/sandstorms
You truly sold me, nostalgiafag.

>>9429449
Enjoy opening the menu and selecting Dive for the nth time this run btw.

>>9421365
I kept this guide in my desk at school and would often take it out during class when the teacher wasn't looking. Eventually, I was able to impress all of my classmates by reciting all 151 in numerical order.

>>9429412
All Pokemon games are unbalanced. Game Freak, in their only saving grace, doesn't cater to these inbred retards and tries to "craft a real competitive meta". That's why Smogon needs a gajillion houserules in order to even function properly as a format.

>>9429440
Water routes in Hoenn are the ultimate pleb filter. It would be one thing if they were empty, but they had lots of cool shit to see in between like the shipwreck, shoal cave which had a cool tidal mechanic, pacifidlog which is still one of the most original towns in the series, and even some secrets like mirage island. Not to mention diving was pure kino.

>>9429456
It's hilarious that you're trying to deflect away from Kanto criticism by trying to get me to shit on Sinnoh. It won't happen, because Sinnoh was also great with memorable routes.

>it has cool shit like uh,,, island you can't see 99.999% of the time and has nothing relevant on it and some underwater caves where you encounter the same 4-5 pokemon over and over again
They are empty, anon. You're just too blinded by nostalgia to see it.

>>9429458
I will mate, thanks. You can just use Dive by pressing the button over a dive spot btw.

>genwunner malding over basic criticism of KANTOOOOO
every single time

>>9429465
>plays the superior game but develops an inferior position
>has schizophrenic episodes assuming there's only one person disagreeing with him ITT
sad, you should start dumping soijacks anon, it's your only recourse against the gen 1 'enemy' by this stage

>>9429469
The island has a unique berry on it you can't get elsewhere.

>>9429480
>relevant
"I made my already easy game easier by RNG manipulating an obscure secret"

>>9429478
You're really trying hard, but it's perfectly fine if you think Sinnoh is better than Hoenn, nothing wrong with that and I have no interest in arguing, it was a fantastic region as I've already mentioned. Genwun is still shit and always will be. Kanto is still awful.

>he's so out of wack by this stage he actually is posting soijacks
Imagine being this mad at the demons living rent free in your own head.

>>9429454
That dude doesn't even play Pokemon, he's simply picking random Blogspot stances to argue about on the internet out of boredom.

I really just get the impression that people who have a hateboner for Red and Blue are just jealous that they were latecomers to the franchise who didn't grow up during Pokemania

>>9429484
What soijak? That's an actual unedited thumbnail made by a genwunner who was expressing his emotional state upon viewing Kanto games. He's one of you.

>he's trying to deny he posted a soijak after posting a soijak
/qa/ lost and you will never be a woman

>>9429487
>y-you're just jealous...
absolute state

>>9429491
The delicious irony of your post is that the only people who even touch genwun titles are speedrunning trannies since the games are borderline unplayable for practical purposes.

>n-no you're tranny
Sad, imagine projecting this hard on the internet. Dump your soijak folder anon desu, I know you have one and I want to see it.

>>9429491
soijaks are wojak edits newfaggot, hence the name
that's just a genwunner jewtuber who edited his own face and thought it would make for a good thumbnail, it's posted on /vp/ all the time to remind people like you of your status

>>9422049
You sound boring

>i-it's not a soijak! n-newfag!!
You're coping even harder than your parents did after you announced your transition to them.

Pure soul

>>9429507
Are you going to make a post defending Kanto as a region (preferably in an actual, quantifiable way and not "it has sovl") or are you just going to fizzle out after this tantrum, since your attempt to deflect into a Hoenn vs Sinnoh flamewar didn't pan out?

>waits thirty minutes because his soijak ridden tranny brain is THIS desperate for the last word
lol lmao

>>9424912
>>9428571
Sugimori's art has never looked like Toriyama's, what the fuck am I reading

>>9429567
Feel free to make another post and have the last word mate, you were completely unable to defend genwun or Kanto in general and were subsequently unable to shift into a Hoenn vs Sinnoh war, and now you're resorting to this. I'll just say that I certainly hope that this post >>9429458 wasn't you, since that would tip your hand revealing yourself to be generally unfamiliar with the basic gameplay of later games in the franchise which you claim to have played. It makes no sense whatsoever as criticism of R/S/E, considering you have to navigate your way through more menus in R/B/Y just to to use any HMs at all. Every single time you want to cut a small tree or push a boulder etc, you have to open the start menu, enter the team menu, navigate to the pokemon with the HM you want to use, and finally select it after potentially navigating through a list of multiple HMs it might know. Far more cumbersome than simply pressing the A button twice, but I'm sure you know all of this, since you've played all the titles after all.

>>9429583
It's not 1:1 but he was clearly heavily influenced by Toriyama, especially when it came to proportions, posing and the characteristic eyes.

Gen1 is the only one where each of the starters is a cool Pokemon.

>>9429592
They look like they have bound feet.

>>9429648
yep

tl;dr schizo ramble asserting everyone shitting on his garbage opinion is dah same... because dey are!!!
you will never be a woman or have good taste, end.

>>9428543
that list is pure cope. its amazing how we all beat the baby tier RPG despite all the GaMe BrEaKiNg BuGs. that entire cope just reeks of competitive faggotry

>>9429821
Precisely. Gen 1 has technical issues everyone knows about now but none of them really put a damper on the gameplay, it's just too simple of a game for any of it to really matter

>>9429298
Fuk, i want that pokemon world.

>>9429304
I’m a Gen-Two Chad loser. Gen Two fixed a lot of the bugs and mechanics in Gen One and is the generation most people in these threads agree is the peak of poke kino.

>>9428549
This. Fuck nostalgia. New shit is automatically good.

>>9429592
Not seeing it. So they're both frowning, is that it?

>>9421365
Gen 2 was better

>>9429456
gen 4 was awful

>>9429463
for me it's the underwater diving

>>9429480
I've played tons of gen 3 and I've never once gotten the island to appear

>>9429487
It's that plus some of the genwunners can be really obnoxious about shitting on the newer pokemon and pokemon games

>>9429562
going into the unknown dungeon to get mewtwo felt like a huge adventure back in 1999

>>9425954
>Something about the Pidgey line just says 'bro bird', but I can't articulate it.

You ever catch a bug or a small lizard or from as a kid, just a tiny one, barely does anything, but its "your" bug? Its like that. In a world of wild beasts, pidgey feels like something you could tame.

>>9421449
I still have all of mine in a sticker book

>>9429507
You're so wound up its almost comical. Calm the fuck down.
>>9429487
I grew up during pokemania and loved the shit out of red and blue, the only region I didnt like was Gen 5, I just dont see the point in being so ridiculously defensive about it, I love all Pokemon games.

>>9430261
Gens 1-3 were my childhood and I still like R/B, but genwunners need to fuck right off.
>I haven't cared about the series since I was a kid, but I'm an expert because I was there first.

>>9426121
The difference being that second thing never haooened. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>9428672
I got something that’s gonna blow YOUR mind

>>9430261
>>9430309
I love how the vast majority of this thread concedes that Gen Two was the peak of classic Poke-kino, but you faggots are just so obsessed with the Gen One boogeyman that you can’t stop screaming about it for two minutes.

Are new Pokefans really this insecure? Go play scarlet and violet, no ones stopping you.

>>9430340
gen 1 and 2 are usually lumped together as the "classic" era

>>9430345
But /vp/edos can’t come up with a phrase that encompasses both generations because their frontal lobe has been rotted out by Smogon autism.

>>9430401
Don’t lump pedos into this faggot

>>9430421
But /vp/ is full of weirdos who want to coom to animals and underaged Pokémon trainers. No wonder they love Pokémon after it pivoted to cater to furfags and babies.

>>9430450
No shit, the trainers are all intentionally designed for sex since it’s inception

>>9430340
>lumping everything after gen 2 together

>>9426220
>better graphics
>better music
>fixed many problems
Yes, enhanced.

>>9430450
t. some boomer who went to /vp/ hoping to nostalgiawank over the older titles, only to be upset by the fact that everybody criticises them for having aged terribly instead

>>9430550
the fire red/leaf green graphics are really bland compared to ruby/sapphire/emerald

>>9430562
hating genwunners is fine, but /vp/ is 50% coomers/furfags and 50% little faggot zoomers who weren't even alive with red/blue came out

>>9430565
>getting upset that people are younger than you

>>9428889
This happens with all franchises tho. It becomes rarer and rarer people say mario 1 is the best, or Final fantasy 1 is the best. It's just what happens. Objectively gen 3 on are better made games. The quality of life improvements can't be ignored. Gen 3 does also include a gen 1 remake. Its a lot easier to munchkin in Gen 1 and work around the balance issues, so I see the fun of it, but mostly the core game is captured in gen 3. When I see genwunners all mad I don't get it. Gen 3 is a really good generation for pokemon. About the only thing they screwed up was the distribution of johto pokemon. Needing Emerald or Colosseum was a bad call.

Otherwise I see Gen 1 and 2 being a less is more, black and white movie appreciation kind of love. I think people imaginative people are drawn to the blankness of that era. Also, it's lots of peoples favorites, just not the majority at all, it is a minority that like them.

>>9430589
Dunno about Mario 1, lots of people still play/revere that game and I haven't noticed any particular backlash against it. I see more regarding Mario 64, mostly because of the camera.

>>9430593
I guarantee you, if you ask people their favorite mario game, the majority will not say the part 1 from the NES. Mario 3, mario world, mario 64 will all be higher. Just saying, pokemon is not unique in that regard.

>>9430601
Yeah I see what you're saying there. I was more thinking in terms of the level of criticism levied at earlier titles.

>>9430138
That was a joke about how buggy Scarlet and Violet are.

>>9430610
seetheposts don't deserve legitimate replies

>>9430606
sure, but that's not gonna come up for most people. Die hard fans will be more critical. I really also think it's more the other ones are better. You fix the issues in pokemon gen 1, without altering the experience, it's still not gonna be most peoples favorites.

>>9430619
>You fix the issues in pokemon gen 1, without altering the experience, it's still not gonna be most peoples favorites.
What qualifies as "not altering the experience", though? I do in fact see a lot of people whose favourite games are Fire Red and Leaf Green, even in anti-genwunner strongholds like /vp/.

>>9430627
I don't know, I dont have issues with gen 1, I am speculating, I really like gen 1.

>>9430451
>12 year olds were designed for sex

/vp/edos everyone

>>9430587
if you weren't alive when red/blue were released then your opinion on pokemon goes straight in the trash

>>9430651
You have that backwards, unbiased opinions will always have more value.

>>9421515
>Save for Mr. Mime and Mewtwo they were all animalistic.
Especially Jynx.

>>9430593
mario 1 is mostly associated with speedrunning nowadays

>>9430654
I started with red in 1999 and my favorite gen is 3, so I'm not blinded by nostalgia

>>9421365
If anything Gen 1 was atmosphereless. It got the coolest artwork and it being still rough with the ideas gave it a unique charm, yes.
That said, I prefer the way that every subsequential generation shown their regions, even if I'm not a fan of the games after the transition to 3D on the handhelds.

>>9421365
>Pokemon games had such a cool atmosphere when I was 12, and seemed to get further diluted the older I got.

>>9430564
But they're amazing compared to the Game Boy graphics.

>>9430564
It's not really the graphics per se, most 3rd gen romhacks use the FR/LG graphics as a base. The spritework etc is great, it's just that R/S/E is a more visually appealing title due to Hoenn having a much more diverse gameworld in terms of environment than Kanto.

>>9430708
Pokemon games got better the older I got, then worse when they made the transition to 3D and started creating theme park regions set outside of a fictional Japanese setting while catering to Western sensibilities.

>>9430730
>set outside of a fictional Japanese setting
New York region was cool and unique, at least until they've let immigrants in.

>>9429434
>better environmental diversity which felt like you were actually exploring a tropical island region
>>9429463
> but they had lots of cool shit to see in between like the shipwreck, shoal cave which had a cool tidal mechanic, pacifidlog which is still one of the most original towns in the series, and even some secrets like mirage island. Not to mention diving was pure kino.

This is what I was referring to earlier in the thread with Masuda's vision vs Tajiri's vision. In your head Pokemon is about the exploration of new unseen fantastical lands (like a vacation or something).The first two generations don't view the world through this lens, it's about the exploration of a familiar world, cities, suburbs, farms, forests. Not dense jungles and castles. Pokemon gen 1-2 is closer in its world fantasy to Mother 1 than it is to typical JRPG fantasy. Its this schism that has caused a rift in Early pokemon fans and later pokemon fans, its basically 2 different series connected by the idea of semi-fantastical monsters..

>>9430761
Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh were all explorations of foreign lands to anybody living outside of Japan. Hoenn and Sinnoh were not "fantastical", they were as grounded in terms of environmental layout as Kanto or Johto, because they were also based on regions of Japan designed by Japanese men familiar with them. Unova is where things started getting strange, because the region was meant to be based on New York City, but was expanded to become more of a condensed version of the USA in general in terms of environments.

>>9430772
Maybe I'm not clear on what I mean by fantastical or vacation like. In Hoenn onward every region has been created through the lens of and outsider looking in. When Tajiri and the team first created Kanto the world was the world he actually experienced, HE experienced his hometown going from rural to urban and the juxtaposition of the two, HE experienced going into caves and forests to hunt for bugs, it was crafted from HIS experiences and I think this is felt in the first two games. They're mini versions of his lived experienced (not in the sense of region geography). Hoenn onward is where the regions start being outside the creator's (Masuda by this point) lived experiences, Masuda didn't grow up in a Hoenn environment, or a Sinnoh environment, or a Unnova environment etc, that's why the pokemon team has a research field trip for every fucking game now, and I think that can also be felt in the newer games (Alola being the most egregious example). The worlds are crafted through the lens of an outsider who's just visiting or has recently appeared now, rather than an almost nostalgic look back on their own upbringing.

To condense what I'm getting at. There's a difference felt in a game made by someone who went to research a castle in the countryside, and someone who grew up running around in them. Even if the geographic/environmental layout is 1:1 from their country of origin.

>>9430843
Using your argument, the series has been from the view of an outsider looking in since Gen 2 with Johto, not Hoenn.

>>9421449
Same here. My mother believed all video games to be satanic. Same with card games. Trading cards were banned in our schools and there was no way we would ever be allowed to play any card game in our house. My father was a nerdy guy, so he had some games on our family PC and let me play them when she wasn't around.
Funniest part is, 25+ years later, my parents have a Switch and my mother probably plays more video games than I do.

>>9428869
I agree with you about G1, but I was actually even more captivated by the world in Ruby/Sapphire when it was new, Hoenn drew me in in a way which Kanto and even Johto just hadn't before.
Traversing the desert, scouring through Meteorite Falls and the volcanic area, etc, the wilderness was varied and interesting, and I liked a lot of the Pokémon designs, places like the scuttled ship really stood out to me as well. I remember thinking the graphics were really colorful, detailed, and pretty, and it made the world feel very alive to me. I missed the day/night cycle from previous gen, but the weather effects were really neat.

There was more too, diving out deep in the ocean looking for treasure when I thought I had seen most of the game, and then stumbling upon these weird ancient cave chambers which I had no fucking idea existed. With the slightly creepy music filling me with wonder, I see these weird symbols on the walls which I had seen in a couple of other places before, and I soon realize this is an alphabet, I write the (Braille) alphabet down on a piece of paper so I can reference and translate the written text in the chamber as well as the other places which had mystified me, and this sent me on quest to discover what this stuff was.

I was also a teenager by that point, so unlike with the older Pokémon games, I really took notice of the cute girls in this game. Battle Girl, Parasol Lady, Pokémon Ranger, Phoebe, May, all these pretty girls making me hot and bothered was special to me as well.

>>9430843
It's definitely different that way, yeah.

>>9430869
That's fair, but I think Johto was his upbringing, and Kanto was more his adult life once urbanization kicked in. The two regions are pretty similar just one is more 'modern' and the other more 'traditional' which is what someone like Tajiri would have seen over his ~25 years of life. Bug catching for instance was an activity he actively engaged in as a kid apparently, so seeing it be made a big deal of in the national park feels like evidence of this.

>>9430772
>Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh were all explorations of foreign lands to anybody living outside of Japan. Hoenn and Sinnoh were not "fantastical", they were as grounded in terms of environmental layout as Kanto or Johto,

Hoenn is where the environmental themed towns really begin to become the norm, though.

>>9430959
I guess what I'm saying is that I didn't really appreciate the whole thing about Kanto and Johto being so strongly based in Satoshi Tajiri's upbrining until I was much older, and that Hoenn took me in much more as an adventure in my youth.

Starting playing Fire Red for the first time just this week though, it brings back a lot of fond memories of Kanto, and reminded me that the progression in the game world of the original game (which is replicated), was actually really good and clever. It also adds a lot of nice quality of life upgrades from RSE which I very much appreciate.
It's more challenging than the modern games too, which is another thing I like, it's not hard, but it doesn't feel braindead.

>>9421449
Growing up I knew about the satanic panic surrounding pokemon but I never actually experienced it. Even the most religious family I knew growing up weren't bothered by the games which was weird. Their kid was fucking obsessed with pokemon cards and I was surprised he was even allowed to have them.

Not long after pokemania his parents would later go fucking rabid over Harry Potter books, so I knew they had it in them.

>>9430959
I get why all these areas and enviromental exploration seemed cool, but at that point it began to feel too far from the every-day, modernworld RPG environment that drew me into Pokemon as a kid. at that point, its just another total fantasy world RPG.

>>9430967
Nah, he grew up in a suburb of Tokyo in the real-life Kanto region. His upbringing in Pokemon world terms would be the areas around Saffron City. Johto is the next region over (Kansai).

>>9430987
Her mouth is legitimately just fully on the side of her face.

>>9430973
irl kyushu is like that, it's a really environmentally diverse place complete with actual sand dunes and stuff
there's a difference between having a geographically interesting region that is based on real life and one like Unova which is really just a pastiche of the USA with jarring environmental transitions that feel more like you're in a theme park visiting different sections

>>9431024
I'm speaking beyond the strict geographical representation of the areas in game to real life

>Satoshi Tajiri was born on August 28, 1965, in Setagaya, Tokyo.[3] Tajiri grew up in Machida, Tokyo, which at the time still maintained a rural atmosphere[4] and was rapidly growing.[5] As a child, Tajiri enjoyed insect collecting as a hobby, which would be an inspiration for his later video game work.[6] Other children called him "Dr. Bug",[4]

He was a rural-kid who saw his area grow into a more modernized location.

>>9431024
The thing about Japan is, you're never more than a good bike ride over from a massive fucking national park. The island is more mountains and trees than people.

>>9431043
Yes, but that's only relevant to Kanto. He never grew up in the areas that Johto represent. It's no different than Masuda making a region based on Kyushu. He was an outsider looking in when creating the Johto region.

>>9431053
It's like a 2 hour drive away. You're telling me his family never went on day trips?

>>9431053
More specifically, even if it was relatively rural compared to Tokyo, his upbringing was culturally distinct from the Kansai region. The Johto games kind of make a point of this, with people from Tajiri's home region of Kanto poking fun at the Johto bumpkins.

>>9431041
Its not the environmental diversity, its that they went from having tiny representations of towns to
>This city is a giant tree fort
>this city is built on rafts
>this city is reached through an underwater cave
>this city is a hotspring

Like don't get me wrong,they're interesting areas for sure, but they're not attempting to be "real" cities anymore. Which makes sense; they wanted to show off the GBA's capacity and it'd be boring if it was just Kanto/Johnto esque cities in every game. But what people call boring about Kanto is what I found very relatable as a suburb/city kid.

>>9431056
It's like a 2 hour drive to reach the very outskirts of Kansai. It's 6 hours to reach Kyoto/Ecruteak, the mid-point of the Johto region. He never once mentions his time in Kansai growing up, just that he spent time around the outskirts of Tokyo.

>>9431065
>he had to have gone to the DIRECT CENTER of this region or else it doesn't count

really nigga?

>>9431070
I don't think it's a stretch at all for him to have to go to the cultural centre of a region to have an idea of what the people there are like, instead of maybe right up to the border. Regardless of all of this, he never even mentions a childhood or even young adulthood of visiting Kansai leading to an inspiration of the games at all. Johto is very much treated like a "vacation" with the way that the game plays up the contrast of Johto being a very different place than Kanto with a more rustic vibe and ancient cultural buildings and whatnot.

>>9431085
>I don't think it's a stretch
you have to visit houston and dallas OR ELSE you can't say you went to texas. because I said so.

it's niggering a two hour drive away. You can't sit there with a straight face and unironically pretend there's not more of a cultural interchange than you are from the entirety of Japan, you LARPer.

>>9431060
the only one of those that is particularly fantastical is fortree, I'll grant you that one, but let's not ignore Lavender Town with its giant haunted tower with a cemetery inside

>>9430340
>Are new Pokefans really this insecure?
Yes, Zoomers have nothing unique to define their generation and are lost souls to begin with.

t. millenial

>>9431094
That's a resort, not a town, anon. Nobody's unironically living on stilts outside of the third world nowadays, and a city you can only get to through an underwater cave is complete nonsense on so many levels (how the fuck do these people get food, medical supplies, building materials?)

>>9431090
>you have to visit houston and dallas OR ELSE you can't say you went to texas. because I said so.
Where did Tajiri ever even say he visited Kansai? This is pure speculation on your part in the first place. He has literally only ever mentioned the suburbs of Tokyo as inspiration for his games. And yes, I would much rather listen to a person's opinions on Texas had they actually spent significant time in major cultural centres like Houston or Dallas as compared to a person who may have visited some town right on the border of the state he lived when he was younger.

>>9431103
>And yes, I would much rather listen to a person's opinions on Texas had they actually spent significant time in major cultural centres like Houston or Dallas
spoken like someone who's never talked to a texan before. imagine some LARPing loser on 4chan trying to tell someone who's been in texas their whole life they don't understand their state because they didn't go to the liberal capitals of the state. l m f a o
i'm done with you, you're clearly way too head up your ass to understand people or cultural regions. never travel.

>>9431101
Nobody's unironically living in a haunted town in the mountains with a giant cemetery-tower either.
>and a city you can only get to through an underwater cave is complete nonsense on so many levels (how the fuck do these people get food, medical supplies, building materials?)
The same way you get to and from after visiting to it- flying pokemon.

>>9431107
I guarantee some guy living in a town in Oklahoma could visit a border town in Texas and not feel out of place. But, again, Tajiri never mentioned anything other than suburban Tokyo as his influence, so your entire argument is baseless.

>>9431108
>haunted town
every town's haunted, that's how ghost stories work. your house is probably built atop dead bodies.
>in the mountains
do you realize where Japan is?
>a giant cemetery-tower
japan has vertical cemeteries, and people do live near them.

>>9430562
Ive never used /vp/, I still remember when /vp/ was created as a containment board to keep you autistics contained off of /v/.

Imagine being so pathetic you get kicked off of /v/ of all places.

>>9430587
>uses boomer as an insult
>gets triggered over being called a zoomer

Go chug more tidepods snowflake

>>9431094
>but let's not ignore Lavender Town with its giant haunted tower with a cemetery inside

Indoor Japanese cemeteries are a thing, anon. Funny enough, as a young weeb in the late 90's/2000's, Fox family used to have a Japanese themed block that would have little interstitials with Japanese facts and things, and one of the things they mentioned was cemeteries on rooftops due to overcrowding. Its been a thing for a while.
https://www.nytimes.com/1979/03/20/archives/land-shortage-alters-old-japanese-burial-practices-wave-of-the.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/03/28/in-japan-no-room-at-the-mausoleum/69958da5-606f-4a59-ba1e-b42cfac6642d/
Lavender is actually a perfect example, because despite its reputation, the only really grim, death related thing in the town is the tower. I sometimes joke that is Lavender town was made in Gen 3 onward, the whole town would be cemetery themed.

>>9431108
>flying pokemon
I'd love to see any non-legendary flying Pokemon carry an industrial crane or digger around lmfao
It makes no sense anon, I like Hoenn but you're kinda coping rn

>>9431115
>japan has vertical cemeteries, and people do live near them.
Can you show the real-life version of Pokemon Tower? I'd be interesting in seeing it. It must be a feat of engineering; a skyscraper of a building filled with functional gravesites on each floor.

>>9430724
r/s/e has way better colors than fr/lg

>>9431124
>I'd love to see any non-legendary flying Pokemon carry an industrial crane or digger around lmfao
You can see a tiny pidgey carry a normal sized child around if you load RBY up and give it a go

>>9430730
the downhill slide started with gen 4, then 5 was a slight trend in the right direction, and then right back in the shitter

>>9431130
>; a skyscraper of a building filled with functional gravesites on each floor.

Ashes and some stones don't weigh that much, anon.

>>9431130
>skyscraper
it's seven stories anon, that's not a skyscraper, that's a mid-rise building at best.

>>9431136
>a child is comparable to an industrial crane
Yeah, you are coping.

>>9431143
It's all about scale, anon. Silph. Co, the largest skyscraper in Saffron City aka Tokyo is a mere 11 floors. The map drawn up for R/B/Y clearly shows that Pokemon Tower is meant to be a massive building.

>>9431146
For a little pidgey? That's a lot of weight to carry. You don't even need to carry it in, just have an Abra teleport it.

>>9431130
Yes its based on the ushiku buddha, it was the tallest statue in the world at the time of the game's release, not only is it surrounded by a huge graveyard, the interior also stores many ashes of the dead, only on one floor though

>i-if you have an abra do it instead it'd work guys
C o p i n g. It's okay, anon, Hoenn is a good region despite the fact that its towns make no sense, nobody cares about the towns anyway.

>>9431162
>it's based on this thing that actually isn't really like it at all
cool

>seething gen 3er going 'no that doesn't count' every time it's pointed out he doesn't actually know Japan all that well
You reek of the worst type of American dourist

>>9431165
you're a moron

>>9431164
Why not? People use Pokemon to do work for them all the time. There's a guy who uses an Abra in GSC to warp people out of the Indigo Plateau. It's nothing new to the series.

>a machop stomping the ground = a pidgey flying an industrial digger into a city in the middle of a caldera

>>9431170
>>9431171
>Can you show me the Japanese skyscraper full of graves on each floor like the Pokemon Tower?
>Sure, here's the statue of a Buddha that has some ashes interred only on the first floor that you asked for
thanks bro, it makes even more sense when you consider the tower was converted to a functional radio tower in GSC

>/vp/ zoomer has to actually confront the genwunners he constantly bitches about
>gets absolutely btfo
beautiful

>>9430959
People seem to hate gen 4, but it had
>return to form of day night cycle
>weather in various regions
>lower touch screen for apps
>physical special split
>new evolutions for beloved old pokemon that are (mostly) cool (looking at rhyperior)
>the sinnoh dex is general is pretty inspired
>pokewalkers with hgss, which are pretty good remakes for the most part
>platinum fixed the slow speed (which I frankly never noticed) and added a hell of a post game
>underground and nintendo wfc
>Sinnoh in itself has a nice variety and was more than welcome after water (no Hoenn hate btw)
>hgss made gsc better, in a lot of ways (definitely messed some stuff up too but actually made the game a bit harder and added some nice stuff)
Had a hell of a time with those games, I never understood and will never understand the hate for them.

>>9431130
>It must be a feat of engineering; a skyscraper of a building filled with functional gravesites on each floor.
this retard is a moron who thinks japanese bury their dead

>you have to match every single goalpost I shift the conversation to, or... or else!!!
Vertical cemeteries aren't even that rare lmfao

>>9431197
I'm convinced he's a fat American who's never even traveled outside of his state, much less another country, by this stage. He unironically thought living near the mountains was some impossible task fit only for fiction.

Citing meta reasons on either side is missing the point. Yes, there's no reason to believe, given the game mechanics, Pokemon couldn't do the work to create fantasy architecture and cities.
But there's something to the fact that all the cities in Gen 1/2 have a feasible feeling thats lost. Its reasonable that a kid will visit a bunch of somewhat same-y looking towns. Its much less likely a kid can up and travel to a resort, let alone a town that's a giant resort.

Is it really any wonder that the series ramped up the handholding so much after Gen 2? These younger generations are clearly retarded.

>>9431192
Gen 4, if anything, is over-loved. People adore Platinum and HGSS.

>>9431192
It had a shitty slow engine and all of the same problems the games not directed by Tajiri have.

>>9431183
It's a spiritually significant massive 390ft tall statue with 5 floors, the stored ashes are not the on the first floor but the third. It is also famous for being surrounded by a large graveyard.

>b-but the fictional adaptation has a different number of floors!
>b-but there's only dead inside on a single floor instead of all of them!
lol

What the first four gens, what the later ones lack, is a sense of mystery. I think the rise of the Internet is what we have to thank for the most part. In gens 1-4, there was always this sensation of "there's something I'm missing, right under my nose or around that corner". Some Pokemon you've never even seen ingame, some hidden area with unique items, even hidden legendaries and events in purely optional areas.

>>9431120
>Lavender is actually a perfect example, because despite its reputation, the only really grim, death related thing in the town is the tower. I sometimes joke that is Lavender town was made in Gen 3 onward, the whole town would be cemetery themed.

If these towns originated in later gens:
Pewter would be carved out of a mountainside
Cerulean would be made up of boats
Vermillion would be powered by electric Pokemon
Lavender would be a giant graveyard, the entire city
Celadon would be Las Vegas
Saffron would be an ultra-futuristic city with platform levels
Fushia would be an old Japanese pavilion themed city
Cinnabar would be entirely build in side and on a volcano
Vermillion would be in a forest

>>9431226
The first two gens were the only ones with a sense of mystery. Gen 3 started the trend of saturday morning cartoon plots, way too many legendaries to the point where they lost all sense of specialness, and the start of unrealistic theme park regions.

>>9431218
So why love the other non Tajiri games more? Gen 5 on doesn't do anything great besides adding megas (which are mostly meh at best) and a few cool designs here and there.