/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9372071
Doesn't this game have like 700 endings

>>9372071
Which one, dumbass?

>>9372071
>>9372082
>Which one, dumbass?
>>9372081
>Doesn't this game have like 700 endings
ahaha I guarantee this zoomie finished the game without saving chrono

>>9372081
>>9372082
the one where the mom and cat go in the portal.

>>9372082
Whichever ending it is which leads to the events of chrono cross happening, but I think that ending is the Dream Devourer ending which was only available on the DS?

>>9372071
I don't remember what happens at the end. You beat Lavos and things go back to normal, right?

>>9372232
Chrono Cross never happened.

>>9372082
Presumably the one where you lose the final battle and Lavos proceeds to nuke everything.

>>9372071
17 different endings

The one where chrono fucking dies killed by porre and is Canon

>>9372335
yeah but your mom and cat go into the time warp and everyone is like 'tee hee, we must go look for them! Time for adventure!', meanwhile mom and cat are stuck god knows where and probably scared.

>>9372365
I always get this one
I suck

This games connection to Chrono Cross would bother me less, if the canon reason for the invasion of Guardia was cause Dalton riled up the people of Porre into attacking
Dalton, comic relief guy, hes responsible for all your favorite CT peeps dying.

>>9372071
I know I lost my cat and my mom wtf

>>9372071
Didn't the cat take down Ozzy? He'll be fine.

>>9372668
Everything about it is retarded, as if the main writer was writing one of those edgy fanfics where everything is bleak just for the sake of imitating sadness.

chrono cross isn't canon
>b-but muh ps1 port
not canon
>b-but muh DS port
not canon
only the snes version is canon

>>9372368
isnt it just 13?

>>9372668
It felt like a kick in the pants at the time, but I got over it immediately because in exchange we got Chrono Cross, a better game.

>>9372083
Crono*
Faggot
Get cats, make love.

>>9372105
A fun thing to do is keep winning cat food from Norstein Bekkler so more and more cats show up in Crono's house. At the end his mom is chasing after a dozen cats.

>>9372368
wasnt this the DS ver? how many endings are each ver?

>>9372946
Sorry, I will have to disagree about one thing: the Virtual Console version is canon

>>9373174
snes had 12 or 13 iirc

>>9373180
PS1 had like two extra ones?

https://chrono.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Chrono_Trigger_endings

It depends on how you count. The "real" ending has several variations based on different criteria.

>>9373183
ah so 13 for snes, i dont count variations of the same ending

>>9373179
only the snes version played on a CRT in 1995 is canon

>>9373185
wait, 14, forgot to include the bad ending

>>9373186
I played it on a CRT monitor, using Zsnes, the dmca'd emulator, and it was a blast, I had a quite a good time.

>>9372946
>Cope olympics

>>9373340
trying to retcon a game to fit into another game through a post credits cutscene, changing dialogue (dalton) or a terrible boss fight years later does not make the sequel canon
cross sucks and will never be canon, get over it or keep coping

>>9373340
Chrono Cross is disqualified from being canon because it sucks ass and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>9372943
That's exactly what happened though. Masato Kato, Cross's main writer wanted to write edgy trash and was probably pretty salty that his genius ideas for Trigger, like having Chrono be a doomed man walking and leading to a bittersweet ending, were rejected by Horii.

>>9372071
What the fuck happened to her?
Did she ever reunite with her autistic brother?
Speaking of Magus, what the fuck was his plan? you managed to summon Lavos, yeah good job dumbass and now what?

>>9373631
>What the fuck happened to her?
Man imagine someone made a new Chrono game answering exactly that

>>9373631
>What the fuck happened to her?
It's the biggest unanswered question of Chrono Trigger. Chrono Cross's answer was extremely retarded.
>Did she ever reunite with her autistic brother?
No. He sets out to search for her in the ending of Trigger, but Cross just kinda forgets about him. He's never even mentioned again in a story that's supposedly all about the one goal in his life.
>Speaking of Magus, what the fuck was his plan? you managed to summon Lavos, yeah good job dumbass and now what?
He thought he was strong enough to kill Lavos by himself. He was mistaken.

>>9373640
>answering exactly that
Yeah, the answer "she was eaten by a space bug, fell in love with a random fisherman shota that lived and died thousands of years after her time and then split herself into a blonde foul-mouthed aussie pirate who wanted to steal that fisherman from his childhood friend gf and a blonde loli in a white dress" does not really satisfy anyone who liked Schala. Even Kid hated the last minute asspull reveal that she was a clone.

>>9373667
>It's the biggest unanswered question of Chrono Trigger.
That was fixed in later releases

>>9373681
>That was fixed in later releases
>>9373667
>Yeah, the answer "she was eaten by a space bug, fell in love with a random fisherman shota that lived and died thousands of years after her time and then split herself into a blonde foul-mouthed aussie pirate who wanted to steal that fisherman from his childhood friend gf and a blonde loli in a white dress" does not really satisfy anyone who liked Schala
Masato Kato's fanfic sucks and only contrarian retards like it.

>>9373689
>only contrarian retards like it
You mean don't like it.

>>9373381
The clone plotline is really lame though, Kato can't compare to Horii as a writer but he was right there for once

>>9373631
She and Dalton were left hanging as sequel bait, I doubt there were any serious ideas about where to go with them until after Horii left the series

>>9373693
God, what fucking hideous cover art.

>>9373701
The art not being Toriyama sameface midgets already makes it infinitely superior to anything Trigger LMAO

>>9373708
Crossfags always behave like children

>>9373695
>She and Dalton were left hanging
IIRC, the stuff in Zeal (Including all the plot holes and unanswered questions) was actually written by Kato himself, showing just how poor a writer he is.
Everyone else managed to wrap up stuff, but Kato failed completely.
The clone doll plotline is fine anyway, it's just your typical "Deceive the world to change the past" plotline, better than openiing up a massive plot hole with "Durr it was past Crono!"
>>9373708
It literally looks like the efforts of somebody in the early 2000s attempting to make porn using uncanny valley 3D models. Completely soulless, cope.

>>9373693
A game so well-liked that it killed the series dead!

>>9373708
It looks like a 90s weeaboo game.

>>9372381
Your team is kitted out and able to kill gods at that point. They save her without issue

>>9373717
>IIRC, the stuff in Zeal (Including all the plot holes and unanswered questions) was actually written by Kato himself, showing just how poor a writer he is.
He was given an outline to flesh out. Horii wrote all main plot points. The only thing about Zeal that's recognizable as Kato is that stupidity with dreams that is ignored by everything and everyone else.

>>9373717
The clone feels like a last minute saving roll from a team that didn't want to back down from killing the MC, which it was. It's pure nonsense translated into gameplay as a padded fetch quest. Crono's return could've been handled in a hundred different ways, not necessarily by Kato.

>>9373712
Cute Trigtoddler projection, everyone knows who always throws their toddler tantrums over the superior sequel not being Trigger 1.00000000000000000000000000001b

>>9373731
How is it nonsense? The presence of dolls that are indistinguishable from the real deal was established way, way earlier in the game. It's a creative way to use time travel to save someone without it turning into a paradox.

>>9373724
>kitted out and able to kill gods at that point
Able to kill gods but not Dalton.

>>9373726
Horii wrote the majority of the plot, but the general retardation that is the Zeal arc was written by Kato.
>Kato went on to say "I wrote all of the 12,000 B.C. events by myself and made sure that no one laid a finger on my section.".
This is why it's so wishy-washy compared to everything else and has so many loose plot threads. Because Kato is a fucking hack.
>>9373731
The clone doll stuff was somewhat mishandled, but it's a decent Chekov's gun if you actually got the doll at the festival.
It only becomes weak if you have to get the doll after Crono is dead.

>>9373731
Replacing Crono with a doll works well because he's a soulless protagonist, aka the usual Toriyama character

>>9373738
>How is it nonsense?
It has no bearing on anyone's character arc and no real dramatic impact on the main plot in how it's resolved (no dilemmas or sacrifices). It's less fleshed out than Schala's arc and lowers the stakes of dying in that setting.

>>9373762
>lowers the stakes of dying in that setting.
Psst, anon... it's a fucking time travel setting.

>>9373763
But there are paradoxes to avoid. The clone cheaps out on that.

>>9373762
>It has no bearing on anyone's character arc
Wait, what?
>no dilemmas or sacrifices
Must there always be a dilemma or a permanent sacrifice?
>lowers the stakes of dying in that setting.
Dunno, out of all the people who die in the game, including Schala, only Chrono is able to be resurrected with a unique method that was prepared by a one-of-a-kind genius. I don't see the big issue.

>>9373767
Chrono Trigger always played fast and loose with the whole paradox stuff, such as when Marle faded from reality.
Marle fading out of time as she did however should've caused a total collapse of the story.
>No Marle
>No Pendant
>No Accidental Time Travel
Just don't think about it too much.

>>9373770
>It has no bearing on anyone's character arc
>Wait, what?
Everything that has to do with Crono's return including everyone's reactions is contained to that quest. That's why I said it's less fleshed out than Schala's arc.

>Must there always be a dilemma or a permanent sacrifice?
No, of course not, but it would be nice if a pivotal plot point like bringing the fucking MC back from death had as much weight as the side characters' matters. It feels like work to me, or something from the 90s rumor mill. Beat this hidden fetch quest to revive Aeris.

>>9373693
The worst part about Cross is that they removed undercover Magus because they didn't want the story to be all about him. Would it have been so bad?? Instead it's a cocktease with Guile there looking like him and who you know was supposed to be him.

>>9373740
Chrono Cross is poorly written dogshit so idk why anyone would take it as canon unless they;re unironically trolling. Which you are.

RIP Chrono Trigger

>>9373695
The clone really is weird, yeah. I get the gimmick that what you think is just a silly minigame from the first 10 minutes of playing turns out to be plot critical much later but you don't get the foreshadowing that would really tie it together. Gaspar just is like "hey that weird dude from the fair may be able to help."

>>9373731
Chrono Trigger is great but you really can tell that a lot was left on the cutting room floor. The North Palace being very conspicuous in multiple eras only to turn out to be a random treasure. The entire eastern hemisphere of the prehistoric era being barren. Even without diving into prerelease betas that answer some questions, you just know that something was cut. It doesn't hurt the game any, at least.

Named Crono Canon, sorry guys, its his new name.

>>9373963
His true name is Tapion

Why.
The fuck.
Would you turn Schala BLONDE
Seriously, of all the stupid shit that Chrono Cross does, somehow this bothers me the most.
THERE'S NO REASON TO DO IT
MAGUS HAS BLUE HAIR
NO ONE WOULD DARE TO DISPUTE THIS
SCHALA IS MAGUS'S ELDER SISTER.
SO SCHALA HAS BLUE FUCKING HAIR
FUCK YOU

>>9374040
Schala is now a blonde loli. Cope

>>9374040
This sounds like miscommunication between the different departments that couldn't settle on whether the "Schala" part or the "Kid clone" part should take precedence. Hell, given how much of the game's story is info dumped in the last hour they might not even have had the connections all worked out before the models were finished.

>>9374040
I'm naming Crono Melon

lol is Lucca's mom a Zealian

>>9374093
She's a tomb raider

>>9374070
Why didn't Kato just have Kid look like this?

>>9374158
Like Bulma? Yikes.

>>9374163
>Twitter-tier buzzwords
So this is the power... of Crossfags?

>>9374158
Kid Bulma

>>9374163
>>9374175
You complete fucking imbeciles, the only similarity is that their hair is blue. The face is different, the eyes are different, the body, the clothes, the fringe, the ribbon even the goddamn ponytail is different. Take your buzzwords and shove them up your ass.

>>9374185
Schala looks more similar to Vivi than to Bulma. Toriyama must have copied Oda for the Princess's design! :P

>>9374185
No anon, don't you see?
If a character with blue hair has ever had a ponytail before, that makes every character that looks like her her clone!
Ironic considering that Kid was meant to be a clone of Schala and looks abso-fucking-lutely nothing like her.

A reminder that the plot of Cross is literally the result of Kato getting writer's block when he was writing a completely unrelated story about a mansion heist and he decided 90 percent of the way in that it was somehow the sequel to Chrono Trigger. He's that much of a hack.
It would be like if you were reading A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, but then in the last ten percent of the book, Scrooge reveals that he used to go by the moniker of "The Artful Dodger" and he changed his name or something.

>>9374185
>Bulma never had different hair or facial expressions

>>9374224
>Literally Possessed GT Bulma
Nigga please, possessed characters in Dragonball have a tendency to get the black eyeliner and angryface.
Also not canon and not drawn by Toriyama, which is funny.

>>9374224
Alright, then find me a Bulma that looks like Schala.

Protip: You can't.

>>9374289
Bulma doesn't wear long dresses and putting a character in uncharacteristic clothes doesn't create a new one.

>>9374316
So they don't actually look anything alike. I accept your concession.

>>9374316
you literally found one, nice, wrekt

>>9374320
...he found a comic with Schala wearing Kid's clothes and she looks nothing like Bulma. wtf are you smoking you retard?

>>9374316
>Even the Pendant changes shape between games
For what purpose?

>>9374327
Not sure but damn, the DS version of Chrono is nice.

>>9374354
Why? The new content ranges from barely tolerable to complete fucking dogshit.

How does everyone cope with Chrono Cross being a timeless masterpiece?

To be fair, even if you "win", all you really did was prevent an alien life form from breeding... wow, good job, now Lavos's mommy won't have any grandbabies...

>>9374327
That curved teardrop shape is a magatama, Japan is nuts for them. It's one of the three sacred treasures of Japan, along with Amaterasu's mirror and Susano's sword.

>>9372071
I liked the ending where they die in the volcano

>"Chrono" Trigger
>Protagonist is named "Crono"
what the FUCK
they had ONE JOB

>>9373381
>having Chrono be a doomed man walking and leading to a bittersweet ending
That sounds brilliant and you sound like a salty faggot.

>>9377804
That could have been legit kino. Imagine just before the protagonist dies, he engages in an odd bunch of sentimental scenes that don't really make sense to the player or the other characters. And only later on do you find out he(you) already knew he was going to die because the younger him from before you started playing had gotten recruited to replace his own post-death self. Damn, if no one's actually done that idea I just might steal it myself.

>>9377804
>>9377812
You guys are just shallow beyond belief. As expected of people who like the dogturd that is Cross

Why did this thread turn into a Chrono Cross thread?

You can like Cross as a game and still question its merits as a sequel to Trigger. I prefer to just pretend it's a different game entirely.

>>9378701
Because Cross is possibly the worst sequel of all time and you can't discuss Trigger's ending without discussing all the ways that Cross takes a gigantic dump on it. That, plus Crossfags being eternally butthurt that their game has the bad reputation that it deserves.

>>9378712
I never played Cross but I thought the consensus was that it was it's own game without any relation to Trigger except the name?

>>9378736
Nope. People reject it because it's so godawful, but it's a real sequel. Picrel is the ghosts of Chrono, Marle and Lucca (inexplicably as kids), giving to you the last minute infodump that explains how they fucked up everything, Lavos absorbed Schala and is back stronger than ever and you have to fix their mistakes. This happens literally five minutes before the game ends, right before you go kill Lavos 1.5: Now with a Schala hat (inexplicably as a blonde loli)

>>9378701
People hate it and I like it so I thought I'd point out how it's amazing.

>>9378712
>Crossfags being eternally butthurt that their game has the bad reputation that it deserves.
>>9378794
>People hate it and I like it so I thought I'd point out how it's amazing.
top kek

>>9378757
30 years you've been seething about this
itsbased

>>9378757
the whole thing just needs to be forgotten about. looks like a disgusting mess of a game. people who play this are sick outcasts. if i talk about trigger i dont want to be associated with the wierd losers who play cross. bury it in the dustbin

>>9378757
god what a shit game

>>9378817
>30 years
>Chrono Cross is a 1999 role-playing video game developed and published by Square for the PlayStation video game console
>Upon its release in Japan in 1999 and North America in 2000
>2022-2000=30
You make your math teacher proud, crosstard

>>9378736
The game STARTS out like that. The game being a sequel to Trigger is treated like the big plot reveal near the end... even though it's in the damn title. I think it's a great game, but the decisions Square made in regards to it as a sequel to Trigger are downright bizarre.

>>9378903
>even though it's in the damn title
they really, really should have made it a Final Fantasy-style sequel.

>>9378903
>I think it's a great game
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Truly a great game with great writing!

>>9378920
I should clarify that I like the game for how it plays. The story is incredibly fucked and is plagued with issues like the one you just posted.

>>9378907
The best twist would've been if the game tried to trick the player into believing that it's somehow tied into Trigger and it's all about Lavos until the final big twist revealed that it in fact isn't Lavos at all, but another member of the space parasite race that Lavos is from on another planet entirely that had influenced evolution in a similar manner to that of what the first Lavos was implied to have done.

>>9378930
Of all the crossfags I've spoken to, you are the first with an opinion I can actually respect. I never expected that to happen.

>>9378932
Now that would have been an actually cool twist. Too bad Kato is nothing but a fucking hack with delusions of grandeur.

>>9378920
oh shit is this for real what dialogue is like in cross? thats brutal

>>9378947
>you are the first with an opinion I can actually respect
Aw. Thank you. I'm actually a huge fan of Trigger as well, probably even more than Cross. I like both games, even if I find lots of Cross to be questionable.

>>9378930
The story and gameplay are both flawed but the gameplay is weaker. It's merely pleasant, and the system doesn't utilize anything close to its potential despite being superficially interesting. The story on the other hand carries the day. No one would be talking about it if it didn't have one of the most personal and emotional stories in the genre. That's what elevates it to the level of a masterpiece despite its flaws.
People even screencap conversations from the game to commemorate how good it is, and to this day have debates over the implications on the lore.

>>9378964
And that's barely scratching the surface! It's just a small sample, of the many, MANY similar plotdumps in the game. Even the ghost of Chrono, the silent protagonist, dumps a bunch of plot on you!

>>9378967
I really fucking hate Cross, but that's 100% about the story. I have no big complaints about the gameplay. It also has an amazing soundtrack and some cool, atmospheric backgrounds, just to list everything I didn't hate.

>>9378994
>I have no big complaints about the gameplay.
utterly plebeian

>>9378896
Unless he’s time travelling and is from the future.

>>9380021
I am, I've travelled the threads of fate, been to every dimension and timeline, and there are none where that guy is not assblasted

Of course it's not. Nobody involved deserves a good ending. Trigger is nothing but a violent self-righteous rampage across time. For what? Look at this dystopian hellscape, cramped cities under domes, presumably because the atmosphere is so polluted it's unbreathable. Nearly every structure is surrounded by desert. Disgusting concrete highways scar the landscape. Crono and his goons murder the true heirs of the planet, the reptites - who would go on to evolve in tune with nature, ushering an utopia, if only the savages wouldn't have interfered. Mere death was not punishment enough.

>>9380181
In contrast, a glimpse of the reptilian future, a literal lush green paradise, fantastic spires dotting the pristine landscape.

>>9372946
They’re all canon moron it’s just one got a follow up

Everything optional CANNOT be canon, or it must be mandatory. Crono is never revived. Radical Dreamers confirms this.

>>9372668
>[comic relief guy] riled up the people
likelier than you think

>>9373631
>>9373640
>>9373667
Reminder that Radical Dreamers, which takes place in a different universe than Chrono Cross, also has a possible answer to the Schala question.

>>9380447
Reminder that Radical Dreamers was a completely unrelated story about a bunch of thieves burgling a mansion until Kato got writer's block close to the ending and solved it by deciding there and then that actually, Kid has always been Schala.

>>9378817
Last second info dumps arent based, its the mark of bad writing, you had the entire game to tell the plot and failed.

>>9380584
Continuing the tradition of Trigger, which is basically SoM's leftovers mashed together with a Toriyama sameface paintjob

>>9377812
>Picrel is the ghosts of Chrono, Marle and Lucca
Pic specifically states that they no longer exist in that TIMELINE, implying that they still exist elsewhere and undoing the FATE shenangians undoes their fates, I don't get how the antis always conveniently forget that part.
>>9377812
It would've been crappy not because it's a downer but because why would anyone think a younger, less experienced Crono would retain the experiences and strength of the older one? And presuming they weren't gonna wipe his memories, why would they make THAT of all things a stable time loop, considering literally the first time-travel lesson in the game was about undoing another character's non-existence?

>YEAH BUT WHY IS HER HAIR BLONDE NOT BLUEE REEEEEEEEE

For fucks sake

>>9380951
why tho?

So is the chrono sequel fangame/romhack any good?

>>9381219
You mean crimson echoes?

It's the worst kind of fanfiction garbage, tons of overly wordy monologues that don't say anything worthwhile and the guy who wrote it, Zeality, is an autistic faggot who thinks he's hot shit because of how much traffic he got on his stupid website.

I mean look at this shit. That's King Zeal, a character he made up to use as his self insert mouthpiece to spout endless analysis about the Chrono lore that's generally boring as fuck.

>>9381282
Why does Crono always look like he's taking a shit

>>9381282
What about that one that used this one as a base?, I forgot what it's called

>>9381337
Flames of Eternity?

>>9374040
What is that giraffe doing with that mango?

>>9373187
I think 15? Lose to Magus and he'll laugh you off and go back to his ceremony.

>>9373631
She died. Simple as.

>>9381337
>>9381386
To some, it's worse. To others, it's a magnificent troll.

>>9380181
>>9380186
Humans are the superior species. Death to reptiles.

>>9377985
Game?

>>9381938
Did they remove the back to the future reference or was that in the other one?

>>9377985
Why is visual novel dialogue always written like clunky shit no human would ever actually say?

>>9372602
At least you tried. I don't think I've even finished the fight.

>>9373743
>he's a soulless protagonist, aka the usual Toriyama character
But that's the best part, can step into the character's shoes without having to wade through autistic wangsting. If I want to imagine Chrono having the personality of Hulk Hogan that's my prerogative

>>9372071
The happy ending is a comedic ending that your born in the late 90's brain would not comprehend.
Our heroes or off on another adventure, and of course those lost are okay, stupid.

5 of the 11 possble endings are bad endings

>>9372071
Original SNES ending is happy
DS ending is Kato fanfiction

>>9373123
It's Chrono dumbass
Crono is a 5 character limit compromise

>>9385354
Crono is an allusion to KRONOS, the GOD OF TIME.

>>9385476
The name of the game and the name of the protagonist are written with the exact same characters in Japanese.

And Kronos, the father of Zeus, is a different god from Chronos, the god of time. The greek pronunciation is different than the english one, with Chronos pronounced more like Hronos.

>>9373358
>>9373376
The only people here coping are you. You absolute sperglords are still losing your minds, aggressive as fuck about how you still don't like a game 20 years later. You've somehow not grown past the same arguments and viewpoints, while maintaining the same vitriol all the while.

It is some of the saddest most pathetic shit I've ever seen. Absolute goddamn losers, and I mean that.

>games need happy endings to be good
well ok, weird take

>>9388112
Why the fuck did you bump just to post a retarded strawman like this?

>>9388120
see
>>9385351

>>9377985
>>9388112
Endings just need to make sense. Happy or bad endings just for the sake are terrible.

The problem is that you often see this issue with happy endings. Too many happy endings are contrived to placate the audience that couldn't handle otherwise. Of course, you have people who try too hard to contrive a bad ending as well where everything goes wrong to seem "mature", which is cringe too.

>>9388112
It's just the inconsistency of people celebrating, saying good-byes and happy music, while your mom and pet are potentially killed is off-putting to high-IQ gamers like me.