/vr/ - Retro Games

Because The Edge is the greatest MP level of all time

>>928708
It's an okay game. Not great.

Tech and art wise - a gem.
Single Player - 5/10.
Multiplayer + The Edge + Voodoo2 - 9/10.

I remember playing Quake 2 on LAN and having the blast of a lifetime. Cult classic.

>>928938
You mean
Singleplayer - 6/10
Piss poor multiplayer + bad level design + video card that doesn't even support 32 bit = 1/10.

I remember back in 98 a friend of mine had Windows NT and ran OpenGL in software mode. It was back when we all had P90s and stuff so it was a slideshow but looked amazing (seeing dat colored lightning for the first time).

He went "and now imagine this - running smoothly." >mfw

>>928708
What was so disappointing about it? I found that I enjoyed it more than Quake 1 and 3.

>>928960
>Piss poor multiplayer + bad level design + video card that doesn't even support 32 bit = 1/10.
Literally everything in that sentence is wrong, you fucking retard

>>929017
Literally everything quoted in that post is right, you fucking retard

>>929047
The multiplayer support was objectively better than its prequel, give me an example of bad level design
? Also,
>video card that doesnt support 32 bit
The videocard doesn't came with the game, retard. This was an issue with your computer.

>>929047
Go fuck yourself, moron.

The part about the graphics card was bullshit anyway, there was never only one graphics card that could run Q2 accelerated, and the lowest type of memory supported was 64-BIT you inane fucking retard. Get out of this board, you don't know shit.

>>929060
>The multiplayer support was objectively better than its prequel,
Opinion disregarded as shit. Quake 1's multiplayer is the best multiplayer FPS in existence. Period. By a long shot. Q2 isn't even in the same league.

As a kid I actually preferred the second. The soundtrack was just so rocking and I preferred the alien theme.

Now in my older age I prefer the first. More freedom, more verticality and a little faster, too.

Awesome thread, op.

speaking of quake 2

would it be better to get it off steam, or just go with something like that tastyspleen starter?

Quake 1 - Quake
Quake 2 - Not Quake
Quake 3 Arena - Doomguy and id All-Stars Bloodbath
Quake 4 - The Sequel to Not Quake
Quake 5 - Speculated to be a sequel to Quake

>>928708
Id games are glorified tech demos.

They're not actually "games."

>>930575
>multiplayer support
Come on bro, he was quite clearly referring to the netcode. I know QuakeWorld is great but it's an add-on. Quake was pretty hard to play on dial-up back in 1996, Quake II was comparably playable out of the box.

>>931256
4/10

>not liking quake 2

Did you even have friends?

>>928960
>bad level design
>Q2
>not Q1

>Of course Quake II is a great game

but it isn't

>>928708
Is it just me or did this guy always shout "A RETARD" at you

This is what happens when you remove the Romero

He was the creative soul at Id.

When he left it was no wonder the company went to shit.

>>931409

quake 1 was basically a more dynamic version of doom in terms of level design. quake 2 is a bunch of boring brown copy pasted hallways

>>932096

I always lol'd when regulars enemies sound like they're yelling "SHIT!" when they spot you.

>>930795
unreal always felt like the true sequel to quake for me

>>932269
more like
>q1
>abstract bizaro-random levels in lots of styles
>q2
>more consistent style throughout the game

also q2 was more orange than brown

>>932250
Romero's single player map designs were the worst in Quake 1. Only good map he made was DM3.

>>931280
Then he'd have to deal with quakeworld which wasn't great but still better than Q2. Q2's netcode is great for extremely low ping lan but shit for anything else.

>>932520
And noting, quakeworld is the official 'add-on' and it's free and it came out that year, and was the most widely spread usage of multiplayer quake period. Just like any other patch you'd use. Trying to not use it is just retarded. I don't go around saying, oh CTF isn't part of Q2 even though it's included in the 3.20 patch.

>>932096
TRESSPASSA!

>>932603
*CLICK CLICK* *CLICK CLICK* *CLICK CLICK* *CLICK CLICK* *CLICK CLICK* *CLICK CLICK* *CLICK CLICK* *CLICK CLICK* *CLICK CLICK* *CLICK CLICK*

>>932603
OOTOH!

>When you shoot this fucker

"aaaaaaah"

It almost sounded like it meant, "Ah, come on man, don't be like that. no fair, let me beat you."

>>932613
Haha. I tried to post that pic and got duplicate file.

Now for pic related.

>Unnnnh

Bitch was always cumming.

>>928708
That music though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UzHnoSc8D0

>>932819
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UzHnoSc8D0

Best soundtrack ever. Seeing as Quake2 was the first PC game I ever owned, it's probably a contributing factor to why I listen to industrial and metal nowadays.

mfw i saw that the quake 2 starting weapon was a Blaster, and not a shotgun...

>>933594
It's better than the warm air gun that is the Quake 1 shotgun.

>>933594
If you exit the first room through the window, you can get the shotgun before you even see your first enemy.

I love Quake 1 for the single player and the atmosphere. I loved all of the levels with castles and shit.

I love Quake 2 for multiplayer, though I still loved the level design in most of Quake 2.

Both are wonderful games.

>>932096
To be it always just sounded like HURR DURR DURR

>>932610
Oh yeah, these guys alternate between saying NUTOK and INTRUDER

But they say it so fast, it comes out in one syllable like TRUDR!

It wasn't bad, but I really wanted to see more HP Lovecraft grimdark. I didn't like the Strogg. Mechanical borg-knockoff zombies from space, snoresville.

Aside from the super shotgun/bfg, every gun felt piddly and weak. That chaingun sounded like a popcorn popper.

All in all, I think it did a lot of great things technology wise, and was a great canvas for mods/multiplayer. But the game itself felt limp and confused. At least Quake 1 took its identity crisis and just ran shamelessly with it.

also, the gibs felt like a major step back from Quake1. They just turned into a weird pink/orange mush. Q1 it was like a shower of gore every time you gibbed a sucker.

>>932250
He was the bitch-maker.

Only thing I preferred about Q1 was the multiplayer. Actually liked 2's SP more, where as 1's felt unpolished.

Quake 2 wasn't even a sequel to Q1. They simply called it Quake 2 because they couldn't get the names they wanted for it.

Save for the multiplayer, I felt both quakes were disappointing compared to other FPSs at the time. The SP modes in both didn't feel polished at all. Level designs were overly repetitive and bland. The enemies in 1 weren't even that memorable.

I pretty much stayed with the Build Engine games (Duke3D, Shadow Warrior, Blood) at the time, because they honestly had infinitely superior SP modes than either Quake.


On the topic of disappointing retro sequels, I'd say that Doom 2 fits the bill. It's still a great game, and its modding community certainly shits on the originals by far, but it was effectively a standalone expansion with the official levels not nearly as memorable or as fun as the original Doom's levels.

Earthworm Jim 3D
Fade to Black
King's Quest: Mask of Eternity (VI was kinda mediocore too)
Prince of Persia 3D
Ultima VIII: Pagan / IX: Ascension

Also, how is Quake II a disappointing sequel? Singleplayer was banalshitboring both in the original and its sequel, however, multiplayer was fantastic.

>>934720
> they couldn't get the names they wanted for it.

why the fuck couldn't they do that?

Also, damn. I just remembered id used to actually make video games regularly!

>>932250
Except Q2 and Q3 were both excellent games.

I agree that Romero was an extremely important part of id though.

OMG, fking troll thread.

anybody bashing the Quakes is an idiot.

Q1 = satanic RPG turned FPS.
Q2 = awesome SP, and best MP physics ever (strafe jumping, trickjumps and BS). not to mention the best soundtracks that a fucking FPS had.
Q3 = Q2 physics + ID games all-stars online + satan worship.
Q4 = Q2 SP ++
QLive - Q3 for kids.

QUAKE 2 had the best physics.

>>934772
>not to mention the best soundtracks that a fucking FPS had.
My nigga.

Btw what's the difference between Quake Live and Arena? I thought it was basically the same thing, just one is free and played through your browser.

>>934787
QLive has no satans... (so it's for kidz).

>>934738
Doom 2 Could've been better if it was paced faster. First 6 levels were a drag due to the slow introduction rate of the enemies. But I guess this happened because Doom 2 was the first doom to get retail box treatment, and id assumed most people only played the shareware doom beforehand (Which was probably true, since before ultimate doom, the only way to get the full Doom was to phone order it).

>>934801
Whaaa? That's weird. It's still a mature rated game isn't it?

Do you have any screenshot comparisons? Can't believe id did that. They built their games on Satanic themes. BOOOOOOOOOOO!

Quake was always so goddamn boring.

The build games had much better SP and by the time most people had broadband UT was so much more fun than arena.

>>933856
it's a hitscan weapon with good accuracy and fire rate. damage isn't over the top, but it's a very good weapon compared to the blaster in q2.

>>934543
>chaingun feeling weak
it's the weapon of choice to push an opponent out of a room.

>>928736
This.

quake 1 is the hardcore variant and has the highest skill ceiling. quake 2 is much more forgiving and all kinds of stupid shit keeps happening in multiplayer. i don't really like quake 3, I only played it for about half year when it was released whereas I played quake world and quake 2 for about 3 years each and still play some q2 today.

>>934854
you ought to be comparing the blaster to the axe, and/or the shotgun to the shotgun

>>934887

i was just commenting on the other anon comparing the shotgun to the blaster.

also, in q1 you start with axe and shotgun without having to pick them up. in q2 you start with the blaster. so i guess it's not unsound to compare the two in this regard.

>"I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOU, YOU'RE WRONG"

Niggas, calm down.

>>934904
the first shotgun pickup is not far away though, and the first enemies don't need much firepower at them anyway (a light guard dies from a single blaster shot)

>>934923
yes, it can make sense to compare the q1 shotgun with the q2 shotgun, too (duh...)

>>928994
I remember my compaq would run games like Army Men and Postal like it was nothing. Played Time Commando in one playthrough and it was smooth as fuck for it's time.

Come Quake III Arena and Unreal Tournament, I had to turn down ALL of the settings for it to even run at playable frames.

My first video card was a 6200. Not GT or GTX, just a plain 6200 that ran Unreal Tournament 2004 at fast frames.

only thing that bugs me a little about quake 2 is how pussy the rocket launcher is. it's a joke. it's supposed to be a fucking RPG, instead it shoots styrofoam rockets.

but... dat railgun. hhhhhhnnnggg. Original Quake had nothing on the Railgun.

>>934997
THIS. I did just dreamed I was firing rockets from Q2, and I could touch them in flight... really dissapoiting... gotta play doom II again tho'

>>929017

The voodoo2 actually was limited to a 16bit palette. This didn't bother us though because most textures were 16bit anyway and it was much faster than nvidia's riva.

>>929061
>Get out of this board, you don't know shit.
>mixing up color palette depth with memory bandwidth

>>934772
Quake 2 had the smoothest strafe jumping which was good and double jumps. But it lacked air control that made Quake 1 multiplayer amazing. Also the rockets in Q2 just don't push your the same way. Quakeworld movement is fucking glorious. Q2 stands for 2nd rate.

>>933856
No it really isn't, because it's fucking useless unlike Q1's shotgun which hits instantly and does in fact knock down health. It's strength is in positioning and harassing. Quake 1 actually has balance for weapon usage. The Q2 blaster is... for looking pretty and being fucking useless. Which it does quite well.

>>934887
That's a more apt comparison it's still weaker and slower, but then that's nearly the entirety of Q2 isn't it.

>>935081
Just about everything in Q2 works at a snails pace except movement. Shots either take forever to recover from or forever to get out. It really is a poorly designed game.

it always bugged me that quake 1, 2, and 3 had nothing to do with each other. why couldn't they have called quake 2 "makron" and quake 3 "id arena" or something?

>>935690
>The Q2 blaster is... for looking pretty and being fucking useless. Which it does quite well.
It's good enough for speedruns. Try speedrunning without killing enemies and you'll see.

> It really is a poorly designed game.
OMG, BUTTHURT Q1FANBOY DETECTED.

Q2 has a more coherent story & design (sounds, textures, maps, etc) than the random mashup of crap that Q1 is. And they call John Romero "creative mind" for that crap... They give him too much credit for nothing.

>>935853
yeah, me too. They would be less bashed by Q1 fanboys if ID had decided to name Q2 "WOR", just like they originally intended but didn't.

>>928708
I still play the multiplayer. If you know when and where to look you can find full public games for the mods LMCTF, CTF, Weapons Factory and Rocket Arena 2 as well as rail and jump servers.

In terms of single player, I dunno, I don't play FPS games for the single player but Quake 2 was pretty much *the* multiplayer FPS game for a certain period of time.

>tfw played Q1 with Metallica's Black Album

>>932096
To me it just sounded like Ah-OOOGGAAAAA

>>940268
sounds fun

Posting quake 2 screenshots because I love the background design.

>>940769